Facing a Dilemma With Our Offgrid Cabin - Should it Stay Offgrid?

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In this video, we talk about the dilemma we face with our offgrid camp in the mountains. We aren't sure whether we should stay off the grid or get tied to the grid for more creature comforts.
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@bwillan Месяц назад

For your offgrid system, I think the it needs to be decided of you will be a DC only system for everything, or AC for everything. Having a mix of both makes things more of a challenge. Given your poor southern exposure, I think the better option would be to increase the size of your battery bank to be as large as you can reasonably go and then use a gas generator to recharge the battery units.

@mikeglasgow9618 Месяц назад

A buddy of mine is completely off grid. He has all 12 VDC LED lighting , a 12V refrigerator/ freezer , a very large solar system, charge controller etc, a standby propane generator. He has a farm tank for propane he fills annually for his stove and refrigerator . But.,, he lives there. I see your dilemma, if you are only going to be there sporadically. He also has a mini split heat pump for ac and general heat as well as a wood stove. I guess he has committed to living with only a propane bill annually.

@LWYOffGridHomestead Месяц назад

Interesting setup of both dc & ac power...also Interesting that your cpap runs more efficiently on DC power...not sure how your phone signal is but ours was horrible so we got starlink & used wifi calling...worked great

@jimmyrustler7184 Месяц назад

Skip 12v and go to 48v. Its a lot cheaper in the long run, and easy to convert back to 12v if you need to. Concentrate on a 48v battery system though. Signature Solar has some pretty nice systems. I like the 48v rack mount batteries personally. From the 48v, you can invert to AC in a pretty simple all in one system they sell there as well. EG4 systems is what you should look for. I bet the cost of a 10k watt system would end up costing the same as getting tied into the grid.

@haileyjoshua Месяц назад

So two things I wanted to mention. I live in Chattanooga Tn and locally we have several people selling hard solar panels for cheap. Secondly Milwaukee tools has an 18v pump you could look into for your sink.

@tennesseebuck1604 Месяц назад

Something that you did not mention in your video was what the requirements are for the power company and the local jurisdiction where your cabin is located. Many rural counties do not require building permits in the traditional sense, however they do require electrical permits and the power company can refuse to provide service if the electrical work was not done to code. From what I have observed you may have multiple code violations. If you insulate and cover the walls the electrical inspector can't do a proper inspection then you will most likely be denied service. You may have already answered your question concerning On or Off grid. My intent is not to be critical, but to provide a point of view that you may not have considered. I enjoy your channel and wide range of topics you discuss. Good Luck!!

@FrostyThundertrod Месяц назад

Since its a cabin I think i would make a clear prairie area to provide solar power and Starlink internet Maybe in ground loop to blow air threw for cooling

@hahsmc Месяц назад

Try putting your water tank upstairs. Pump your water up to it and let it gravity down to your sink.

@RenaissanceThinking Месяц назад

It has been my experience that it is never good going back and forth from 12volt to 120 and then back to 12volt. If I were you, I'd wire the cabin with a double wiring scheme...a 12 volt and a 120 volt. I'd run all my 12 volt equipment directly from the 12 volt system as it is the most efficient option for you and will allow the Oupes to last longer. For the items that need 110volt, plug into the 120 wiring.

@caryvielhauer9743 Месяц назад

Agreed. 12 volt watts is way less than 120 volt watts. Set up like a camper, 12 volt on all you can and 120 where you have too. 48 volt system would be best step down to 12 volts and up to 120 where you need it. 5kw 48 volt system with 3000 watt output minimum $2.5k wired correctly from the above mentioned Signature Solar from Texas. Then you need more solar panels. Portable battery like the Oupes advantage is they recharge fast with AC generator. DC ceiling fans are available. I have a 10.5 cubic foot fridge/freezer, Magic Chef, runs on 120 that draws less than 60 watts running. Startup is 10 times that much but only for a blink.

@hahsmc Месяц назад

That’s what I was thinking. Set it up like a camper

@brettn4337 Месяц назад

G'day again from downunder Troy. I suppose it will depend on how often you use the cabin. If it's not often, I'd concentrate on more of a portable system, but if you use it regularly, maybe more of a permanent system. You could always hedge your bets and have a couple of fixed solar arrays on the roof of the buildings and then use portable batteries

@patriots1needed Месяц назад

Grid tie. Solar as back up/supplement. Set up to “untie” if/when you want.

@wkmac2 Месяц назад

I have both portable and permenent and have been doing solar for more than a decade. If your off grid cabin is just a family get away, I'd strongly consider going portable and scale that up to meet your needs. However if at some point this could be a SHTF Bug Out location for your family, I'd strongly consider a permenent based solar setup. The other factor if some are not DIY inclined, go portable power station that is plug and play. Even in a bug out scenario the portable power station is an excellent option. The other nice thing about a portable power station for the off grid family get away/vacation place or even bug out point, you can bring the unit home with you in the winter and should a Texas Polar Vortex hit, you're good! A remote fixed system can't be moved for such circumstances so there is that to think about when it come to dual use.

@BS.-.- Месяц назад

I have a 120v DC ceiling fan in my offgrid cabin. These are ceiling fans you can find at almost any box store. It's a 50in 4 speed with remote. It uses less than 20w. Alot of this low voltage stuff just isnt worth messing with when solar is so cheap.

@kjspe971 Месяц назад

IF you go stationary solar, you MAY have a temperature issue during the winter when not there to keep batteries from freezing...same but too hot during summer when not there...??? I am not an expert, but that is what I would research for decision making

@bobmonztr Месяц назад

Victron and Xterra have lead carbon batteries, they charge at -40c,(not lead acid) in case you do your own build in future one less thing to consider. 48kw battery $9600 usd.

@solarcabin Месяц назад

20+ years off grid with just a small solar and wind system. You have open areas where you can install more solar and you can connect multiple small systems to a battery bank and recharge the power station from same systems. That is what I do and I have all the modern conveniences in my cabin including microwave, AC, computers, washer, and lots of cooking appliances, recharge gadgets and my ebikes.

@Rifleman1964 Месяц назад

Ive been off grid in North Missouri for a year. My advice is don’t be dependent on electricity. I use solar for Lights, TV, internet, fans and fan on wood stove. My fridge, stove and water heater run on propane. I have the full size Crystal Cold fridge but one for an RV would work for a small cabin. Solar is not reliable in the winter, we have weeks without sun. Use 12 volt when possible because there is a loss converting to A/C. All my lights are 12 volt LED E26 type bulbs in normal fixtures wired to 12 volt.

@rockydaniel7073 Месяц назад

Solar and genni for sure-only need to drop two of the frontage trees-panels, charge controller, inverter, hard wired to cabin circuit box-maybe 5k+- for a relatively large setup-compare to power company fee! Also, my cabin in raleigh county Wv will not drop power without a septic system in place-another 6-7k-just say’in-admittedly, our cabin is a weekend retreat, happy place

@rockandrattleretreat5830 Месяц назад

The cost of running electricity up the mountain was our break point to go off grid solar.

@ledzepcleo Месяц назад

We were trying to use those 5.5 connectors at work. It didn't work for what we were using it for. Apparently there's two different sizes. When we figure it out we'll let you know.

@thomasschmitthomesteadproj6025 Месяц назад

Hi Troy Your doing a great job with your wiring. The one thing that I would strongly suggest is that you get a hose adaptor from a 20lb propane tank to your 1 lb propane grill and burners.

@bryancondrey6457 Месяц назад

Assuming you grid tie, consider a very low wattage (15 or less) LED porch light in a jelly jar fixture giving you visible confirmation you have power from the drive/pathway. I'm assuming your power monopoly will dictate a metered connection which equals a minimum charge per month. A low wattage bulb will certainly fall well below the cost of the minimum. Don't like the bulb color? Paint the inside of the fixture with a color of your choice.

@DivergentDroid Месяц назад

I wouldn't cut those few trees in that direction because it will be wide open. Too bad you could not just raise the solar platform up above the tree line. I suppose you Could.

@shannonswyatt Месяц назад

The anderson out is for going to a distribution block like you may have in a camper. Not sure of the size on that one, but I would guess it is 20 or 30 amps, which is pretty good for 12v in a camper.

@bobmonztr Месяц назад

Power company wanted 30k to install, spent it on solar instead, currently a huge power outage now in southern B.C. My trailer is slightly smaller than your cabin I use electric heat down to -30c. EG4 3Kw 20kw of battery and max out solar($9k) you won't even consider hooking to the grid. With electric heat you need at least 8kw (for higher pv and charge rate) 48kw battery and 12kw solar ($22k usd). I did search 12v items but found price and selection is not ideal. If you go with a 48v system you can have vertical mount bi facial panels along the southern end of property and not have to drop a tree and ruin your shady area. If you want to continue with the power station a separate charge controller that allows you to put a lot of pv input then step it down for the station, this way you can have decent input during overcast with lots of pv without tripping overvoltage alarms when sunny. Let's say you have 3kw solar max power station input, but you only get 400 watts in overcast, if you have 6kw solar you can get 800watts in overcast, but charge controller is set to max on the powerstation for full sun it will clip all the excess. Even though it is wasted, you have more consistent input rain or shine. I have 4x 3kw pv input, but it can handle 4.5 kw and clip excess, my arrays are 3.3 kw so as they degrade, I will be above 3kw for years. Every panel I add is over 100 watts in overcast. No sun np 2.6 kw is just enough consuming 14.6kw a day. I just share it all and hope someone gets new ideas for their builds or plans.

@funinlv32 Месяц назад

Why haven't you insulated the cabin ? Moisture concerns ? or perhaps your answering that with the impending wiring / electrical contemplation ..

@johnwoody4905 8 дней назад

i would just stay offgrid. if you go on grid you will have to pass all the codes before they will hook you up i think here they charge over $ 900 per pole plus tons of other fees. plus you will have a power bill every month even if you don't use it for 3 months. take care, be safe and well

@Montanacreate Месяц назад

Dont use grid or 12 volt. Get a victron inverter 4 24 volt 100 amp lifepo batteries, charge controller, and as many panels as u like. Thats it. Ordinary 120 ac, and not beholden to power company.

@Hamsquatch1973 Месяц назад

I have 3 kw of panels and a 5kw battery with a 6 kw 48v inverter. I run a fridge, lights, water pump, ceiling fan, and a propane water heater shower. The energy fits on a dolly and I take it with me when I leave. Think I spent $3k

@erice9536 Месяц назад

Definitely stay off grid. Why sign up for a bill forever and ever and ever on a place you use on occasion? Search for the DIY solar forum, do a ton of reading and set yourself up a nice system that works more or less like an on grid system for not that much money. You can set up panels at various locations to catch morning, afternoon, evening sun. Panels are cheap (especially used panels) and so are the small charge controllers you'll need. For the water system, just duplicate the RV water system in your dad's camper. Components are readily available, proven, easy to install and operate and pretty reliable.

@PeaceIntheValley Месяц назад

Maybe get a generator to charge your batteries OUPES. Might only need to run an hour every couple days. Cost would only be when you are there. Many can run off gas or propane. Solar is a great idea but not if you have to cut down your trees.

@tomlongbeard6071 Месяц назад

The more it becomes like your normal residence, the less special it becomes.

@rickayers3150 Месяц назад

I do not understand why everybody thinks that you have to run electric lines in side the walls. I am building a cabin and i will NOT put any wires in the walls. I am putting it in conduit runs, that way i can fix it, move it, or change it.

@joonyer77 Месяц назад

Why not wire for both options? Stay off grid as long as you can. You can always opt into the grid at a later date. This keeps your options open.

@georgeshotrodbarn2113 Месяц назад

Do you get those amazing deliveries to your cabin just like your home.

@JamesArthurKayak Месяц назад

Look at all that flat ground

@neilmcfarlane128 Месяц назад

Would the farmer work with you? Having a solar array on his land instead of a powerline and easement.

@user-qp6np7xt4q Месяц назад

This is some of the jankiest electrical work I've ever seen. The biggest issue with 12 Volt is heat. Make sure that your 12V system is using marine grade wiring as that has better insulation for reduced chance of fire.

@StonerSmurfin Месяц назад

Amazon has ceiling fans starting as low as $20.

@sd10559sd Месяц назад

There are 12v USB ceiling fans

@RAM-on8xb Месяц назад

Maybe I am incorrect in my way of thinking, but why dont you set your electrical and water up like a RV. My 5th wheel has a 12 volt system and regular electrical system with solar options. Our fridge is a 12volt.

@searobin25 Месяц назад

Off grid energy is expensive energy not to mention all the carbon emissions thats emitted from the manufacturing of the panels & environmental impact of the batteries.

@bwillan Месяц назад

Off grid energy is only expensive if the cost of connecting to the regular electrical grid borders on ridiculous.

@StonerSmurfin Месяц назад

I'm fully off grid and love it. The main problem I see with you is that you're using the power stations that you have to drag up there with you. I have a full battery bank with lithium batteries. They always stay in one place and start charging when the sun comes up and I have unlimited power to do all that I need and use smaller inverters where I need 110v like some kitchen appliances. You wouldn't need many batteries for your little setup and it could all hide under your platform under your steps. Saving you room on trips there and back and the hassle with power stations.

@derrickp Месяц назад

What about late fall and winter. In his unheated cabin lithium batteries aren’t going to like the cold

@LynnMorgan-fh2re Месяц назад

An inverter converts DC power to AC power. To convert AC power to DC you use a rectifier. To change voltage you need a transformer, which only works on AC or for light loads a SCR Aren't electronics wonderful.

@user-vm6ck7lt6v Месяц назад

Your time is limited. How much time do you actually spend at the cabin? The more you bring comforts to the area, the more you confirm you should never have left the city.

@robertfallows1054 Месяц назад

You are in the envious position of having solar generator manufacturers able to send you equipment. I would go solar off grid and get some solar panels and put them up on the shed. Put more on the cabin roof. Bifacial on the shed. I see your issue about keeping the solar generators at the cabin. That’s your biggest issue I’d say. Buy a new EV pickup that you can plug into 😀😀

@shannonswyatt Месяц назад

My wife's CPAP will run overnight on a Bluetti EB3A, which is pretty small. We did by a DC adapter. When we tested with AC off the Bluetti it wouldn't make it through the night. I would say to go higher voltage on a solar array to charge and put it near the road since it would have clear southern views year round, but since you are not around that often the panels may grow legs and walk away. Keep in mind that since you have the other power systems it may make sense to just put in Lifepo batteries, versus the mobile systems. And for that matter you could use the Lifepo batteries to charge the Oupes if you needed to as well. You can get a decent chinesium Lifepo battery with cold weather charge protection (100AH) for less than $200 from our favorite river. So for less than the Oupes you can get several 100AH or 200AH batteries and probably have enough DC power for a week without recharging, and if you needed to top it off, use the generator over the hillside for a few hours. And then use the Oupes for AC loads like power tools. The only bad thing about DC in a cabin is the wire costs, but you could try to centralize the system to have shorter runs.

@westvirginiaminer3046 Месяц назад

Bleutti splar generator is easy answer. Got us theough countless outages. Keeps fridge and deep freezer running on si gle charge for about 12 hours. Thats a full size double sided fridge and big chest style deep freezer. Plus cell phones and a xouple lights. I run it through the night and charge off solar during day or plug into gas generator for around 3hrs and its full charged. That way you get no noise in evening hours. I have the EB240

@inmyimage1081 Месяц назад

First, you need to put that solar panel on something like a sheet of plywood. You have it draped such that a good portion of it isn’t pointing at the sun as much as the other portions, getting it flat will have a big impact on its power generation. Second, if you can swing the cost, get a 12v compressor refrigerator.They are much more efficient than anything running off 120v and are actually starting to pop up in RV’s as standard equipment. Third, get a 12v RV water pump, you can get them fairly inexpensively that can pump out 50-70 PSI. Basically, try your best to get anything that can run off 12v instead of 120v. Just keep in mind that 12v has more voltage loss than 120v so you need to size the wires appropriately. Because of this, putting the battery pack as close to the panels as possible using as short a cable as possible will also increase its charge speed because there will be less voltage loss. Again, you’ll have to supply the cabin with 12v using a thicker gauge cable but the 120v shouldn’t need anything significant than being able to be exposed to the weather or buried.

@calebdoner Месяц назад

The whole pount of a cabin is to be off grid.

@aovoonthefarmsouthernillin3687 Месяц назад

If you have the ability to go off grid, do it.

@Sue-ec6un Месяц назад

Personally if you are putting other people's comfort above your own, at your own camp, I think you've lost the plot. Why must you incur costs to make other's comfortable? Do your visitors hand you money on their way out the door? I doubt it. You have a comfortable home, let your visitors who demand comfort visit you there. Of course, if you all decide that the comforts are important to you, then by all means...but don't bear the expense of other people's comfort at your monetary cost. Remember, whether you are at camp or not, utilities cost money, whether you use them or not.

@barrysharpe4551 Месяц назад

Go carnival and be off of it in 2 weeks.

@WeSRT4 Месяц назад

You may want to check with Toyota about that Tundra... There is a major recall brewing with the engine. Just an FYI. Toyota has gone straight downhill IMO.