Fan Theories #3 : Who Is The Woman In End Of Time? 

*_IMPORTANT NOTE : PLEASE READ THIS PINNED POST BEFORE COMMENTING!!_* Many people often comment with the same common queries to this theory, so please read below before commenting as you may find the answer to your comment below and it will save me having to keep repeating myself in replies! Point : Russell T Davies confirmed The Woman was The Doctors Mother Response : Whilst it's true that Davies did confirm in his book The Writers Tale that he created The Doctor as The Doctor's Mother and the actress Claire Bloom was told this when he was portraying her, in the actual final script and on screen the true identity of her character was never revealed. Whilst both Davies and Julie Gardner have since said they personally believe her character to be The Doctor's Mother, the on-screen ambiguity and lack of explicit confirmation leave her true identity open to audience interpretation. Question : If TimeLord's can recognise each other despite change in appearances, why didn't the Twelfth Doctor Recognise Missy Answer : He probably did recognise her, but didn't want to believe it. When he felt her heartstbeat he knew she was a TimeLord's and probably recognised her as The Master (as she says "you know who I am") but didn't want to believe it as he thought she was lost along with Gallifrey. So his shock at the end of the episode isn't him recognising her, it's the shock of having his suspicions confirmed. Point : The Woman Is Romana Response : Whilst some fans do believe her to be Romana there isn't anything concrete (or otherwise) to imply that it is her, and in fact Romana's fate post timewar is still unknown at present time but more may be revealed in the forth coming Gallifrey : Time War Big Finish series. In the mean time I do have my own theories about where she was during the events of The End Of Time which you can see here : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-omtKauSLc3g.html Point : The Woman Is Tecteun Response : This is highly unlikely as The Doctor was seemingly unaware of Tecteun's existence up until the events of The Timeless Children so it doesn't make sense that he'd recognise her during the events of The End Of Time Point : The Woman Is Donna Response : Many people believe The Woman is Donna as The Doctor looks at her/in her direction when he visits her wedding (other also believe with Sylvia in the foreground it is also a nod to her being his mother) however the actual stage direction in the final script for this scene is _" The Doctor just looks. At Wilf. At Sylvia. At Donna, in the distance. Friends, mothers, brides, he's not saying"_ which whilst obviously leaving it open to interpretation, does not confirm that The Woman is intended to be Donna or his Mother. Point : The Woman Is Susan Response : Many fans believe The Woman to be Susan, however it's highly unlikely as both before and after this episode The Doctor makes mention of how he considers his family, including Susan, to be either missing or dead and the last that was known of Susan was during The Eighth Doctors era when after meeting with The Eighth Doctor she joined rejoined The TimeLords to fight against The Daleks in the Time War. As such there is very little in the episode to support the idea that The Woman is Susan. *_UPDATE :_* It has recently been announced that Carole Ann Ford will be returning in Big Finish's The First Doctor Adventures Vol. 3 with her role credited as "The Woman" however at present time there is nothing to suggest that she will be the same Woman as in the End Of Time. Point : The TimeLord's Covering Their Faces Are The First Weeping Angels Response : A theory that alot of other people seem to believe is that Weeping Angels are really "dead"/condemned TimeLord's but again to me it seems unlikely. Rassilon describes them as the "Weeping Angels Of Old" and when coupled with the known fact that they supposedly evolved near the beginning of the universe, it implies they are far older than even The TimeLord's, therefore existing long before them. Another piece of evidence is that in the comic Gaze Of Medusa The Fourth Doctor (having not met them yet) doesn't fully believe The Weeping Angels even exist, further suggesting that the Weeping Angels are possibly consider mythological in TimeLord society. Point : The Woman Is The Doctor Response : Alot of people are now saying this and anything is possible HOWEVER it seems that people are only starting to say it now because The Thirteenth Doctor is a woman, and just because The Doctor now has a female incarnation doesn’t mean that any nondescript woman/TimeLady in Doctor Who is now immediately a possible future incarnation of The Doctor. It’s not like it wasn’t a possibility before but it seems more people are only saying it now just because The Thirteenth Doctor is a woman. Frankly, whether it’s possible or not, among what evidence to suggest her identity there is, almost NONE of it has any bearing on her being The Doctor, and as far as I can see people are saying it literally because now there’s a female Doctor and no other real reason based in the narrative of the show. Point : The Woman Is Granny 5 (or another grandparent) Response : Like the previous point alot of people are now saying this and anything is possible HOWEVER it seems that people are only starting to say it now because The Thirteenth Doctor mentioned several grandmothers/grandparents. Again like the previous point, it’s not like it wasn’t a possibility before but it seems more people are only saying it now just because of something that has been said in the episode. Point : The Woman Is The Doctor's Father Response : Of all the idea put forward this is a perfect valid one however like the previous point it seems people are only saying this now we've seen several TimeLord's change gender...like it wasn't a possibility before? As I said before it's a perfectly valid idea but what this also shows is given the tiniest bit of evidence people will read something into anything when there isn't anything else to fill a gap.

The first thing that struck me when it aired was that she was Susan, his granddaughter. Struck me as that as when Wilfred asks the Doctor who the woman was, the Doctor looks at Wilfred's granddaughter, Donna, and gives him the lottery ticket for Donna's Wedding gift.

Given that Timelords don't always remain sex or gender consistent from regeneration to regeneration, she could very well be the Doctor's father.

They show who she is in the end of time. Wilfred asked who she was and the camera was focused on Donna, Donna is Wilfred's granddaughter. The reason the camera was focused on Donna was because the Doctor looked over at her. The Doctors granddaughter is Susan Foreman.

I honestly think she is. It feels like it.

if timelords can recognize each other regardless of change appearance, why did the 12 Doctor fail to recognize that Missy was the Master?

Maybe it's Susan, the timelords were tracking the location of every single one of them during the time war, which forced the master to become human in order to escape. But Susan was living in the future and she was entirely a timelady which help the timelords locate her and bring her to Gallifrey. Maybe because of her knowledge and studies of the universe with her grandfather (The Doctor) she became at some point part of the high council.

" timelords can recognise other timelords despite their outer look" explain how the doctor has failed to recognize the master in his new forms time and time again??

I'm sure that in one of the books written by Russell T and Benjamin Cook, he tells Ben that the woman is definitely the Doctor's mother during one of their email conversations...I'll have to take another look just to confirm.

I think "the woman" in End of Time was Romana.

i had a feeling she was his mother when i watched it

If you watch the 1963 version of Doctor Who, you will learn more about the doctor. 1. The Doctor came from wealth.(Stated in both 1963 and 2005 versions.) 2. The Doctor was confronted by Metilda(Me) about the half breed being not half timelord and half Darlek, but Half Timelord and half human. Then asked what he was. 3. The Doctor has passed threw the void between universe's. What is to keep another version of his self from coming and becoming the curator of the art gallery? (Season 4 episode 11 left turn. Rose shows up and helps Donnato make. Also season 1 when Mickey held the wrong button too long causing Rose, Mikey and Doctor to cross over into a parallel universe. I noticed at least 2 other police boxes both a different shade of blue as well as difference in age. one looked old and unused the other looked newer. Don't think he would have stranded his human self with Rose without being able to travel.) 4. The doctor has many times travelled across his own time line many times, after all he used to keep a log, but stopped because events would happen at one point the never have happened because he travelled to another point and did something that contradicts an earlier entry and erasing that moment.(1963 series with the 4th Doctor)

Oh my good, where did you get the clara tribute tardis?? It's beautiful!

i like your new seiries of doctor who theories!

I thought it was his mum when it aired. Just the way she looked at hm

Its his mother, RTD confirmed this. what I never noticed until last year (watching reaction videos) was she actually tells the Doctor what to do during the moment he was trying to decided who to shoot, she eyes towards the machine

She is Tecteun.

He forgot one thing when the doctor (Tennant) secretly attended Donna's wedding, donna's dad asked him who the woman was. After that the doctor glanced at donna

I just kept admiring the Clara graffitied Tardis

I always wanted her to be the Doctor's daughter. Not the one from that one-off episode with Donna. I mean, I wanted her to be Susan's mother.

I recently re-watched 'The end of time pt 2" and noticed something I hadn't registered before. When Wilf asks the Doctor (at Donna's wedding) who the woman is/was he looks at Wilf then Donna's mother and then at Donna (via camera shots) it has left me with the idea that maybe he was saying "my granddaughter" i.e Susan. Probably complete hogwash but the camera cuts seemed so definite.

Watching the video I am starting to believe this . I am also glad that this works for thosewho follow The Lungbarrow cannon where gallifreans/timelords are loomed and not birthed.As a side note will you ever do a Fan-theory on looms and lungbarrow

that was awesome man

Many thanks for a well-thought out and clearly presented video - it's always good to dip one's toe into the fan-theory waters. If RTD and JG have said she's the Doctor's mother, well, I'm happy to accept that. Mind you, RTD knows how much Whovians like to speculate, so perhaps he's allowed some ambiguity simply because he values this aspect of fan engagement with the show. At the time of broadcast I had assumed that the woman was the Doctor's original wife. Therefore, when the Doctor looked at Donna in her wedding dress - on her 'big day' - it was a poignant reminder to him of what he himself had lost. ;-)

I always thought it was a version of Donna.

I've looked for a vido like this for ages

I agree with your original idea, the Woman in End of Time and Hell Bent is The Doctors mother or at least someone who mothered him early on in his life

This is an awesome video. Where did you find the Doctor Who end music to use in your video? I have been trying to find it in digital form for a while.

Liked and subscribed!! I really liked your final thought about the man and woman with the children being the same caretakers from the Doctor's boarding school. I could totally get behind that. In that case, however, I do not then see her being The Woman for the simple fact that during the last day of the Time War, she would be both a younger woman caring for the children, and an older woman in the Council chamber. Sure, maybe there is some wibbly-wobbly timey-wimeyness going on, but I just can't reconcile that. [sarcasm] Also, could it have been Missy? And how could the Doctor not recognize Missy? [/sarcasm]

It's disgraced former Lord President of the High Council of Gallifrey, Romanadvoratrelundar aka the 4th Doctor's companion Romana. She was removed from power due to her opposition to the experiment to remove Rassilon from his timeline before his final death to bring him forward in time to help lead the Time Lords to victory over the Daleks. She was overthrown by Cardinal Ollistra who helped bring about the return of Rassilon as the 8th Doctor's refusal to join his people in the war effort outraged her. You're Welcome.

I think the whole point of the barn scene in Hell Bent was to separate the Citadel, with its Time Lords, and the Drylands, with the non-regenerating Shobogans/Gallifreyans. Moffat was making a clear point that not all Gallifreyans are the same. If that lady in the barn could truly regenerate, she would most likely live in the city. Instead she seems to live in the Drylands, not out of choice. However, in retrospect, if that barn hasn't moved since the events of Listen (which would be a span of thousands of years), then the Academy can't be too long a walk from the barn... so, my personal response to this is- the two women seem to be of different backgrounds. The woman in The End of Time seemed to be a Time Lady, and in my further opinion, the Doctor's mother (biological or otherwise). The woman in Hell Bent seemed to be a Shobogan, a mere villager from somewhere in the Drylands. My headcanon automatically placed her as some form of carer in a children's home, which would explain her instant recollection of the Doctor, if he had been loomed and placed into the home. Or maybe if his family had originated in the Drylands and been allowed to move into the Citadel. It's an interesting theory. But it seems every time fans see another unnamed Gallifreyan female, she's automatically 'the Doctor's mother'... he must have quite the collection of mothers now haha.

I have always thought that the woman was the Doctor's first Wife, before he left Gallifry , he did admit to having a family, and had a Granddaughter. The reason I think this is because in "The End of Time Part 2" when he visits Donna's wedding, Wilfred asks him who the woman was, he doesn't answer but looks sadly at Donna in her Wedding Dress, that's my theory anyway.

One problem I have with the Mother/Mother figure idea is that when Wilfred and Silvia ask him who the woman is, the camera quite literally focuses on Donna-the bride. Shots like that aren't put into the show for no reason-they're put there to tell us something.

Not really to do with the video but theres a red Emperor-like dalek on your shelf, curious where you got it? or what story Story and medium it's from

I thought it was fairly obvious to assume that "the woman" was the Doctors wife. As in the final few scenes the tenth goes to donna's wedding and when Wilf asks who she was, tennant looks in the distance and the camera pans to donna whom is in a wedding dress therefore implying wife.

great video

I always thought that she was one of the Sisters of Khan.

Why would the woman depicted in End of Time not be Donna Noble (a future version). We know there is something about Donna that makes her special; would it not be possible that at some future point in time she is able to tap into 'Doctor Donna' once more and returns to this period to aid the doctor and wilfred.

As I recall The Doctor had a grand daughter in the beginning, Susan. Has anyone ever come up with the explanation as to where Susan originated. If she was his grand daughter that implied that the Doctor had a family at one point including a wife and children. Could this woman be linked to Susan and the Doctor?

The woman in end of time is part of the council of time lords who didn't agree with rassilons plan, how did she go from a carer at an orphanage/boys school to being on the council to go back to the school?

It's a strange theory? I always thought she was his mother but this has opened things up for me. She could be anyone but as you said a timelords carer might work as maybe gallifreyians were taken from their families at young ages or......wooms are canon?....as said by Paul McGann. XD great video mate!

If time lords can tell instantly that the timelord is one they knew just changed then how did the Doctor not notice the Master when he was first introduced again when he had no memory of being a time lord of the master. Or when he first meets Missy not noticing that she is in fact the master.

I also heard that she was his mother, but I like your other hypothesis that she was the matron from his school.

My interpretation is that she's Susan, because when Wilfred asks the doctor who she is, the doctor looks at Donna (Wilfred's granddaughter). The doctor can still believe her to be lost after the events of the episode, in response to your comment. I doubt there will ever be confirmation of this, but I'll still think it until it's disproved.

I always thought that the End of Time woman was possibly Leela and the Hell Bent woman was Flavia.

there is a possibility that the woman is not councillor flavior as rassalon kills someone who looks similar to the councillor

I always thought the woman who appears to Wilf and is next to Rassilon, was Rose. It's her music that plays when she appears.

I think I’m inclined to go with Davies’ version, since he’s the writer. But I did enjoy the video.

Pick another theory for you it could be Romana the old doctors running mate and she was a Time Lord or it could be the doctor's wife and I'll mean River Song

whh did the doctor not recognise missy as the master at first

I know this is a stretch but do you think the woman is in fact Susan?

Maybe the Time Wars dislodged a regenerated Romana from E-Space.....that definitely would surprise the Doctor.

I honestly thought she was just a symbol of some sort. No relation to the doctor as a family member. Just a symbol of hiding, in fear of the world ending and thinking there might be no hope again to survive. So she closes her eyes in fear of death coming. Knowing that the Master opened a portal for the time lords to come to earth, She opens her eyes, this could be a symbol for having hope again, like maybe she will actually live. Then, Noticing that the doctor is sending the time lords back to gallifrey she closes her eyes again now knowing there isn't hope to save gallifrey......that is until the 50th anniversary episode.

After the more recent episodes with Peter could she be a future version of Missy?

if timelords can recognize each other through regenerations why didn't 12 recognize missy

The only issue is this. If Time Lords can recognize each other on site regardless of regeneration, why didn't the Doctor recognize Professor Yana as the Master or Harold Saxon as the Master before he found out? You could argue he didn't know about Yana because he was described as Human, but the Master was Time Lord when he was Saxon. Did the Doctor just get lucky and NOT see anything?

What if that women was his wife (before River Song). This might be true because the doctor did have children and had a grand daughter (Susan). The Doctor probably doesn’t talk about her because they where divorced because the Doctor would just travel across time and space and she probably wanted him to stay home with her.

mother theory makes sense, but the other simplest sensible theory is that the lady is Romana

I assumed the woman in End of Time was Chancellor Flavia (tho I couldn't think of her name! I just recalled that in the classic Dr Who, there was a female Time Lord leader who favored the Doctor.)

If Timelords always recognize each other regardless of incarntion? Then why didn't The Doctor recognize Missy as being The Master the first time they met in The Promised land?

Time Lords/Ladys can recognise each other even if they change appearance. River Song is half Time Lady, as she was conceived whilst in flight in the Time Vortex. Even in the show, it is confirmed that half of her DNA is Time Lady. So, knowing that, how come River didn't recognise the Twelfth Doctor? She recognised the Eleventh easily enough, which confirms that they can recognise others after regeneration.

I think the women can possibly be the Doctors daughter (original not the David tenant Daughter) or possibly his granddaughter from an Unearthly Child, but that is highly unlikely but still a possibility

My theory is that she a regenerated Romana.

If Time Lords can recognise each other then how come The Doctor didn't recognise Missy?

if your a timelord father and your wife regenerates into a guy what do you do

So wait... why didn't the Doctor recognize Missy?

I thought the whole hands over eyes thing was intimating these were the origins of the weeping angels, they really looked the part at first. Why would they be covering their eyes anyway?

I'm pretty sure that RTD had no intention of ever coming-up with who she is and why she's important to the Doctor and left that for Moffat to delve into if he chooses. Obviously he chose not to try. This is one of my problems with the way Davies writes. He throws questions at you, that he doesn't care to have answers for, and they're not even philosophical question.

I really like this theory, and it does make sense, but has anybody given thought that it could be Romana or even an older Susan. In the Series 10 episode "The Pilot", the Doctor has both a picture of Susan, and River on his desk, loosely implying both have disappeared from his life in some fashion. Could it be that "the Woman" could be Susan or Romana, whom after saving his life and before theirs ending, made the Doctor promise to look after this "vault" of some kind, make, or model. I also wondered if "the Woman" could also be a reformed Rani, since all three of these time ladies have yet to be properly accounted for.

Two words the doctor is not killable until the last

Yeah but the doctor did not know who Missy was so was that a movie mistake? Plz reply

What about old Fred, aka Romanarasmlunda .... Romana 1 and 2, She was President of The Time Lords too

She could be Donna

That episode listen kept me thinking about what Clara saw in the barn and heard earlier from Missy that the Doctor was a girl. That would explain his crying in bed at the barn on listen!

8th Doctor said he is half human ffs!

Wait??? Are not all people on gallifrey time lords?

The woman seen at the end of time is either meant to be; Romana or even moreso the Doctor's Granddaughter Susan. She is meant to represent somebody extremely close to the Doctor. his mother seems like a stretch to be honest. Its somebody of past association with him. although i do think its meant to be truly ambiguous to be fair. Romana, Susan or even Chancellor Flavia at the outside chance? its either them or you're meant to keep on guessing as an ambiguous elder time-lady who wasn't ever named onscreen was simply put in there for us to keep on debating it endlessly.

The Rani???

I possibly think that the woman in " The End of Time" is Ace.

That doesn't make sense when you say that time lords can tell you are a time lord even if they have regenerated because when The Doctor and Missy also known as The Master meet he has no idea until the end!!!

What about her being his first wife. The one who would birth his children who would then birth his grand-daughter Susan from the very first season?

If the Timelords can recognize each other regardless of appearance, then why did it take the Doctor nearly a full episode to figure out who Missy was?

I'm confused why gallifrey hadn't fallen. The end of time doesn't make any sense.

do a live from workshop or review on the series 9 stuff on ur left shelf - davros, doctor davros and clara tardis

One name that hasn't been brought up is Romana.

she is the 1st weeping angle

Daniel Craig looks funny as hell in this movie

What if all those woman in all cases are the same and is known to all as...the Mother.

I thought it might be Susan...

She is Romada

an older ace

Time Lady

The Doctor's mother is a shobugan so she can't be his mother

So the woman in the end of time is supposed to be the same woman in hell bent?

I thought the woman was The General, as seen in Hell Bent. In Hell Bent, The General starts out as a man, but regenerates into a woman, confessing they only have one regeneration remaining. She also remarks "Back to normal, am I? The only time I’ve been a man, that last body. Dear lord, how do you cope with all that ego?" The General was the second in command of the army, right under Rasillon. She would always be on the Council when not in the field. There's only two women in End of Time, one being The Partisan, and The General, as he looked in Hell Bent, was nowhere to be seen. The Council was gathered for their final plan in the Time Lock, so The General couldn't have been in the field. The General is alive in Hell Bent, at the end of the time continuum, so she survived the Time War. Therefore there's only one conclusion: The Woman is The General!

I like how you connected the three (possible) versions of "the woman". Cheers!!!

I'd like to think it's his mother but not the other two people

3:17 we dont care? lol these are just people from gallifrey i think

The 10th Doctor says a time lord see What is, What has been, what should be and what should not be. that's how he see the universe. if they can see what has been that's how they can recognize other time lords.

What if it's Susan