Fanatec CSL DD Ready2Race Bundle Review 2023 

Hey :) do you have any news comparing Fanatec & Moza? I think for me the 5nm will be just fine / i dont want to spent too much ^^ what brand would you recommend for an absolute noobie? 🙈 Best Dario

@@dario3215 I haven't used the Moza R5 which would be the direct competitor to the CSL DD 5nm but I am currently testing the R9. That competes directly with the 8nm version of the CSL. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Buld quality and materials used on the Moza are better and feel more premium but Fanatecs software and force feedback are a bit better. That being said Moza updates the software regularly and I believe at some point soon they will be very similar on that front. Also Fanatec at the moment is having some financial problems and while personally I think they will be fine, their future looks a little uncertain at the moment so for those reasons I would say go with Moza currently. In the future my opinion may change but that's my feelings currently. Hope that helps!

Ordered the csl dd bundle on the 5/11/24 and received everything by 5/16/24 so I’d say they’re all caught up just be careful and order what’s in stock

@@dario3215I was between moza and fanatec as well and coming from the Logitech g29 I figured 5nm was enough and don’t get me wrong it is but I just bought the csl dd and I already want the boost kit so for that reason I’d go for the fanatec also the wheel that comes with the fanatec is bigger than the wheel that comes on the moza r5 and I hated how unrealistically small the g29 wheel was but this fanatec wheel size is so much more natural!! I think you’ll be happy with either

@@dario3215also looks like Corsair will be buying over fanatec so I imagine thing will be on the up for them now or at least I hope cause I just received my csl dd

Yeah I'm not sure why they don't but it's a big deal for me so I try and always mention it. I've used some pretty loud wheels in the past so I love that this one is basically silent!

Thank you! I really appreciate it!

Wow never knew they were making a new wheelbase. Is this going to replace the CSL DD? Was about to purchase one but might hold off if they're releasing a new one shortly.

@@SpartanA31xx yup they are. They are both available for preorder now. They are Clubsport DD (12 Nm) and Clubsport DD+ (15 Nm). They both will have similar technology to the CSL DD but with more power. I dont believe either will replace the CSL DD. They are just adding additional bases to their midrange lineup. My recommendation is if you're ok with waiting a few more months and can stretch your budget, you should totally wait. But if not the CSL DD is a fantastic wheelbase and will not disappoint. Hope this helps!

@@DanDiMaggio Ahhh I see them now. I thought you meant like like a new CSL DD 2.0 or something for same price haha. CSL DD Bundle price is very appealing to me so might just go ahead with this one since no direct replacement. Thank you for getting back to me and clarifying! :)

@@DanDiMaggio The Clubsport DD does look interesting though haha. Might just get this one since it is all newly updated and with QR2 connection

no worries! You'll be very happy with the CSL DD. I love mine! @@SpartanA31xx

That's Awesome! Happy new year my friend!

I got g29 and thinking about getting 8nm rdy to race. I think I pushed the g29 to the limit, wheel ain't really for sim racing more for casual driving etc..

@@Bosnianfear15 Get It!! The 5nm is more than enough by the way. I bought the booster power supply and it’s interesting. But I end up turning down the ffb anyway. The wheel feels like a real car. I could NEVER catch and correct oversteering in iRacing with a g29. The dd makes it easier to correct. IRL my car got sideways in the rain a few weeks ago and I naturally counter steered rolled on a bit of throttle and just kept going like it’s how I make every left turn. It’s worth it. I can’t imagine that if you like driving for fun or sport that it wouldn’t be a lot more fun.

@@goobytron2888 appreciate the feedback. Which pedals did you get or you got them in buddle?

@@Bosnianfear15 the bundle then ordered load cel. And moved the brake to the clutch.

I was just planning on purchasing a bundle tomorrow I’d hope they don’t take forever for shipping as they don’t offer an option for free shipping

Yeah I don't ever remember them having an option for free shipping. The situation at the moment is beyond free shipping vs paid shipping. The type or price of shipping you choose seems to have no factor on the wait times and lack of customer service. If you are looking at a CSL DD bundle consider giving the Moza counterpart a look. I'm currently testing a Moza R9 V2 Bundle and it's pretty hard to tell the difference between that and the CSL DD 8Nm. I'm still early in testing but so far it seems the R9 has a slight edge in overall power and the CSL DD has a slight edge in smoothness and refinement of ffb. Both are fantastic though. The general build quality (especially the steering wheel) seems to be better on the Moza. If you are in a hurry consider the Moza. If you're not wait for the issues to get resolved with Fanatec and go with it! @@prestonasmar

This isn’t completely true. I just received a GT DD Pro 8Nm bundle, Load Cell and pedal kit within 2 weeks to the UK. Once delivery was confirmed on Monday this week I ordered a GT3 v2 and 2x metal QR1’s and received confirmation today that it will be delivered on Monday, so 7 days. I’m in the UK. I think a lot of the noise is to do with the overselling of the BF wheels and the delay in the license for the new PlayStation Clubsport base. I admit I was nervous when I ordered give. Al the noise at the moment, but I must say I’m glad I didn’t back out as the wheel is amazing and the quality top notch. The internet is great at making things some worse than it is. There is one guy on the Fanantec forum who is on there full time complaining that the BF wheel he ordered is delayed as they took too many orders.

That's great to hear you got yours timely! Hopefully that's a sign things are getting better! They are certainly fantastic products! No doubt about that! @@theamateurguitarist6187

Not sure what you mean by problems with shipping? I pre ordered mine back in December with availability date of the 26th of Jan. It arrived today the 29th of Jan. I'm in the UK though.

Sorry to hear about your TX. Same thing happen to mine years ago. Luckily since then I've only had good things to say about them. I've had a TS-PC & TS-XW and those were rock solid. I've also got a T818 in studio that I'll start testing soon for review. If you already have a lot of stuff in the thrustmaster ecosystem (steering wheels, pedals, shifter, etc) maybe consider upgrading to one of the TS bases or even the T818. But if you're ready to swap over to a new brand you can't go wrong with The CSL DD bundle. It's great!

Ive got the TH8A Shifter, which i really love.. But today i ordered the WRC "Ready to Race" Bundle and the Shifter, which price went done from 229€ to 159€ because black friday. I play on the Xbox Series X. I used Fanatec many times ago on the old xbox, which i cant use on the new Xbox. And i liked it alot.

You're going to love that setup! I considered purchasing the shifter at that price as well. It's a great deal!@@SiegfriedAnder

It's actually a next level racing wheel stand 2.0. I'm releasing a review on it Wednesday. It's a great option if you're tight on space. If you have the room though I would recommend a full rig and more specifically a profile rig if it's in the budget!

Thanks. I'll check it out. Thats precisely my problem. I have a rig stashed away due to space and looking for something more compact for the time being. Cheers!

For this setup I'm using the Next Level Racing wheelstand 2.0 and it's worked great! It's certainly the most stable wheelstand I've used but of course it will be lacking compared to most complete sim rigs. Especially a profile rig. But if you're just looking to get out on track and have fun it will certainly do the trick!

Hi, sorry to disturb you, but as i was looking on the Fanatec website, i saw that on this bundle, the wheel wasn't compatible with xbox. How did it work for you ? Thx for you're time

please link me this deal. help a AUD brother out!

My long reply was deleted. I fucking hate this site

Basically, I also got the boost kit from Ali express for about 50aud, so I'm running 8nm and it's really awesome!

It's gonna be awesome Dude! I'm sure santa would be cool with you opening it a little early. He's a nice guy lol

@@DanDiMaggio 🤣 nah I’ll be killed if I opened it early

HI, IM ABOUT TO PURCHASE ONE TOO, BUT I NEED ADVICE.... the bundle says wheel comes with qr2 ok, but on the base description says qr1. so does the wheel come with qr1 aswell and they just give the qr2 for wheel side included? but then thats no use as the qr2 base side isnt available till jan 14th... at the check out i added the qr2 base side but said can n ot be shipped untill all parts are available.. i dont know if to buy it and hope for the best but i dont see why they are giving the half of the qr2 as advertised right now. wheel comes with qr2 but that means its not ready to race as the base says qr1

Keep us updated on how quickly you receive your items! Sounds like the shipping issues are starting to get better so hopefully you'll get yours pretty quick!

@@DanDiMaggio I did my order on February 29 and received it yesterday 6 March so no issues with shipping at all.

What is this bundle as the link doesn't work anymore ?

Honestly at a minimum to get the full potential out of this wheelbase you'll want to get a Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0. Most other wheelstands are going to have a hard time handling the power. Especially at 8 Nm. It will work but you will get some damping in the ffb due to lack of stability. In this video I'm using the wheelstand 2.0 and it does a fantastic job. It is on the more expensive end of wheelstands though at around $250.

Thank you Dani!@@DanDiMaggio

The Moza r5 bundle is better built with higher quality materials but its 5.5nm for 500$

Yes. For now it is still coming with the standard V1 quick release.

I don't have the Fanatec H pattern. It's really expensive lol. I considered it during the black friday sale but didn't pull the trigger. No worries though I'll have some heel toe action coming soon with my new VNM pedals!

I purchased them separately from the bundle after I had the base for a while. The QR2 is better but totally not necessary imo.

Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0

P:s Current ive been using a T300 and want a upgrade!

This will be a significant step up from the g923. I'm guilty of using the word "fidelity" myself and I hate it lol. It just means the wheelbase has a high dynamic range and is capable of giving you high and low frequencies at the same time. For example with the Logi G series wheels, you pretty much have to run them full force to get the lower end detail you want, but since they don't have a high dynamic range you loose that lower detail in certain scenarios. It's similar to clipping but not exactly the same. High speed cornering is a prime example of this. It takes all of a G series wheel's power to translate the car's weight transfer in a corner so the small frequencies disappear . Going down the straight you're probably feeling small imperfections in the road surface and other small effects but as soon as you start to turn in those forces drop off and you only feel a heavy but numb ffb until you exit the corner and then those forces come back. The wheelbase doesn't have enough power and/or dynamic range to give you both at the same time. The CSL DD has a higher dynamic range so it can still produce those small forces while also giving you heavy ffb for weight transfer at the same time. Note though that this is not just the case with direct drive wheels. There are also belt/gear driven wheels that have a good dynamic range as well. Thrustmaster TSPC, XW and Fanatec's older Clubsport V2.5 have decent dynamic ranges also. Not as good as a direct drive but they would still be a significant step up from the logitech wheel. The gear chatter you're talking about is a separate issue and the logitech g series wheels are the worst offenders of this. It's kind of just what they do even when brand new unfortunately. They are quite reliable but the noise is what keeps me from recommending them. Hope this helps!

It's the Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0. It's exceeded my expectations. It's not completely free of wobble but what little is there has not effected my driving whatsoever. I can see it if I'm looking for it but it's basically inconceivable when driving and concentrating on the race. It's the most sturdy wheelstand I've used, especially when you "clip" your chair wheels into the channel that they include. It honestly has less vibration & wobble than a GT Omega ART cockpit for reference. Of course it's not going to be as stable as a profile rig but it's the best wheelstand I've used. If you have to use a wheelstand, this is totally the one I recommend by a long shot. It's probably pretty close to it's limit at 8-10Nm but works well at that power or lower.

@@DanDiMaggio just ordered the csl dd bundle and the next level racing wheelstand 2.0 before stumbling on this video, totally justified my purchase. thanks for the great vid

That's Awesome! You're going to love the combo. Great bang for the buck. Stand and wheelbase! @@unfitcrit

​@DanDiMaggioSimRacing I also have one, and I second the recommendation 😅

It will be a significant upgrade from the G29. And not just in overall power but also smoothness and quietness! You'll love it! Also the Mclaren wheel is still one of the best bargains in sim racing for GT3 style wheels!

If you are referring to Moza, the R5 would be the direct competitor as they both have approximately 5 Nm. I actually have a Moza R9 in house to compare against the Boost Kit version of the CSL DD. 9 Nm vs 8 Nm. Once I'm done with those I hope they will send out the R3 to test and review. I would like to test it out for the console compatibility. I will also compare it to the CSL 5 Nm at that time for anyone curious about how they compare.

No I had no disconnect issues and have since sold this bundle to a friend that needed an upgrade. He has not reported any issues with anything at all. I do recomend the QR2. It is a lot more solid and actually makes the ffb feel even sharper because there is no flex to dampen the ffb. That is even with the QR2 lite.

@@DanDiMaggio Thank you, Dan! I'll order the CSL DD with QR2!

@@alexmartin2352 No problem! You'll love it and congratulations! Feel free to reach out if you have any other questions!

In this video I'm using the Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0. It's by far the most sturdy wheelstand that I've ever used. It's heavy and not super easy to move around but it does hold up to a direct drive wheel surprisingly well. I did a review on it a while back.

Ideally at a minimum you'll want a wheelstand. I recommend the one I'm using here in the video. Next Lever Racing Wheelstand 2.0. It's the best performing wheelstand available and I've used a bunch of them. This wheelbase will rattle a desk to pieces if you try to use the desk mount. Especially if using the boost kit with 8Nm.

Try it at the 5Nm first and see what you think. Even at 5 Nm it is much stronger than the G29. Also consider what you will be mounting it to. Desk, wheelstand, cockpit, etc.) It will need to be quite a bit more sturdy with the 8Nm over the 5.

Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0. Very Solid and sturdy!

What exactly is the issue? Are the pedals dropping in and out or are they causing something else to have interference?

@@DanDiMaggio I can only brake on a straight before the turn like on F1 games, If I’m braking and also turning simultaneously,like trail braking, my brakes start to flicker

that seems like the wheel input is causing the issues and not the pedals. What wheelbase are you using?@@johnnycarrillo2538

@@DanDiMaggio I am using the CSL DD pro on a PS5.. would ferrites work or would I have to ground my setup? I’m using a GT omega as I need to put it away every once in a while so I haven’t tried to ground it since it would be a hassle to move.

In this review I'm using a Next Level Racing Wheel Stand 2.0

Next Level Racing Wheelstand 2.0

Awesome! Enjoy you're new setup and happy racing!

How does it feel in comparison FFB wise? I feel like the chatter of those gear driven Logitech wheels makes fine details very muddy… like driving over fine gravel COULD feel great but it’s just clanky and gross on my Logitech… looking to upgrade soon!

@@V8chump It should be a huge improvement but hopefully gullideggel93 will answer since he's recently made the switch. Ive never been a huge fan of the logitech wheels because of that chatter you're referring too. They are extremely reliable but the noise always bothered me. In that price range I've always prefered the belt drive alternatives from thrustmaster or Fanatic because they are much more quiet and smooth. Moving over to direct drive gets rid of those issues entirely. The CSL DD is basically silent but still provides great detail!

@@V8chump it's much more detailed. You don't feel all these little "steps" you get with a gear driven wheel. It's all one smooth motion. Feels much more like a real car and corrections, when your car begins to slide when accelerating are much easier and more precise. And, what's most important, you have 0 resistance you would have with these gears. It's just fantastic and worth every penny.

It will really depend on how sturdy your desk is. It certainly has the power to throw monitors around if the desk it's mounted to isn't too strong lol. But I say do what you have to do to race! If you need to you can always turn the strength down a bit if it moves the desk too much. Even at a lower strength you will still get the benefit of the amazing details and smoothness of the wheelbase!

I was thinking this would be the only reason to buy a Logitech wheel instead. But then again, you could just turn the power down like you said.

@@_Arthur- It will be fine on a table/desk. Look up Road2Racer on youtube. He uses this exact setup on a glass desk and so far it hasn't shattered the desk 😂

you can mount it on a desk but you will need to purchase the optional desk mount also. It will need to be a pretty sturdy desk as well because it's quite powerful. Something like a next level wheel stand 2.0 would be more ideal but not completely necessary.

so true. i bought the g29 thinking i was getting into entry level sim racing and it felt like a toy. glad i did some research afterward, and dan's right - it makes NO SENSE going in that direction when a bundle like this exists

I ordered mine Friday. It already says shipped but I don't have a tracking number. Just check your account order status. Asking on RU-vid instead of emailing Fanatech is a really knob head thing to do ngl.

@@JordanHarrisno need to call me that i’m just asking a question, i’ve already emailed them and nothing

@@teaxash4415 didn't call you anything. You emailed them first. You didn't do the knob head thing I thought you were doing. 👍

​@@JordanHarrishow did you complete the mission where you have to milk the horses lower milk gland?

Absolutely it will be a significant upgrade from the Logitech!

As of now it is still coming with the QR1. Also I would probably wait a little bit before purchasing anything from them right now. They currently have a long backlog of orders to be shipped out and customer service inquires they can't get to. Might want to give it a month or so if you can wait.

@@DanDiMaggio i waiting 2 weeks now. after order. on webside all stuff stand in 7 day deliver :D but okay drink some tee and wait, need to support my country :)

Yup they've been having an issue lately. I personally got mine quick but it was some time ago. The trick with Fanatec is to buy products when they are not releasing a new product. They just can't handle the order load during those times and they don't seem to have any interest in fixing that problem. The T300 is a great wheel too though so you'll many happy races with it!

@@DanDiMaggio Indeed, the wheel is working great, but the pedals that came with the RS GT edition are not the best, especially the brake. I really struggle with braking consistency, but as of now I can't justify upgrading into much more expensive setup so this will have to do :)

Honestly out of the box the standard pedals with this bundle aren't that much better than what you have. I'd stick with those until if and when you decide to grab a set of load cell pedals.@@TzeiEm

@@DanDiMaggio thanks, good to know! If I ever feel the need and have the purse, I might go straight onto load cells and the gt3 wheel

No table clamp is being used here. It's actually mounted directly to a next level racing wheel stand 2.0 and that is slid right up to the desk. Sorry for the confusion. I do highly recommend that wheel stand if you are short on space though! It's pretty solid!

Next Level Racing Wheel Stand 2.0. It's fantastic! One of the best options if you're limited on space! I've done a review on it if you want more info. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vUjDX6BsWI8.html

lol i suppose thats true too but then who does your laundry?? 😂

It's excellent for that as well. It's actually really good for the truck sims because it has basically infinite degrees of rotation so you can set the truck sims up to steer (how many turns of the steering wheel it really takes to turn the front tires) how they would in reality. The logitech is limited at 900 (if I remember correctly) and that is far less than what a semi actually uses.

as far as im aware it still comes with the orginal qr. i purchased qr2 separately and installed it.

@@DanDiMaggio all for the money i guess

@@DanDiMaggio sir do u have the metal one or the lite one? would u recommend it to us? i am buying csl dd in the next 2-3 weeks

yes I would recommend the QR2 for sure. It's much more sturdy than the QR1. I have the black type "c" on the wheelbase side and I am using the plastic lite version on the CSL steering wheel. It's fine for the CSL steering wheels but if you are going to get one of their nicer wheels I would recommend going with the standard non plastic QR on the steering wheel side. Hope that helps!@@RedPainSam

Yes qr2 is worth it! No more rattling noise. I have the $99 qr2 and bought 2 and love them. Also sold my gt dd for the new clubsport dd

It's a NLR Wheelstand 2.0. It's actually exceeded my expectations. We are still in a "organizing" the studio situation at the moment so this spotting is having to double as a rig and normal desk at the same time. Hoping to have room for a actually rig here soon. But if you're tight on space this thing is awesome!

Just to add this here, I just ordered a CSL DD :)) I'm now worried about the desk clamp after reading multiple reviews.

Ordered this bundle 1h ago. Wheel and Pedals are on stock. But the base is available in 5 days :D @@TheBadBone23

@@TheBadBone23with the desk clamp it’s passable really depends on the table though you can tune down the force feedback and you should be okay I used it for a bit

@@TheBadBone23Yeah with the 5nm you will be just ok but you're going to miss the details from the motor due to wobble, you really need a proper mount which just increases the price and a pain if you dont have the room, i just got the T300 on Black Friday sale because i only want to clip it on and off my desk and i game a lot with many different titles not just racing.

No they don't. But you can upgrade to the V3 pedals and they do have vibration mechanisms similar to whats found in a XBox controller. They don't come with this bundle though and are more expensive.

@@DanDiMaggio thank you for that feedback!

Lol, yeah I pronounce it different almost every time. It's like my brain doesn't want to let me decide which one to use permanently lol

Sorry! It fit the situation though.

No it came with the original QR and I purchased separately and installed the QR2. I imagine at some point they will sell it directly with the QR2 but as of now it still comes with the older one.

@@DanDiMaggio thanks for your reply. Ordered the bundle yesterday, will wait and see which qr it comes with. 👍🏼

@@duncani3095 qr1 fix on youtube you can see how to make it like qr2 . its to expansive to update.