Fe versus Fi: A Concrete Example 

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INFP here. Thank you so much for giving us examples of the Fe/Fi difference that don't portray it as "cares about others vs. self-absorbed." I'm sick of seeing people define it that way; it's not fair and not true! The examples you've given here show what I think really defines the difference: that Fe is about action (e.g. open self-expression, actively reaching out to others, responding to external cues with deeds), while Fi is about information (e.g. deeply understanding your own emotions and values, processing everything through those inner filters, but having a harder time translating those feelings into words or quick actions). I've noticed this comparing myself to my ESFJ father, just like you have with your family members.

For most INFP´s it is very difficult to set boundaries, because they don´t want to hurt others feelings. So they tend to withdraw themselves from people who are not able to "feel" their boundaries and continually step over it. It´s a kind of self protection. Yes, it might be better to tell people, when they are to intrusive, but it´s one of the hardest tasks for INFP´s. I still work on that and I am over 50.

I loved this concrete example... I am exhausted by the people that think I am two - faced because I tailor my conversation to what the individual needs. Being a social chameleon is not being two - faced it is being respectful to other people's feeling and like you, maintaining otherwise difficult relationships. If we did not do this, relationships would become entirely too stressful for us and we would doorslam everyone. But since we make things easier to digest, we preserve the relationship and remain genuine at the same time. What people do not understand is, there are several ways to say things, and just because you are not harsh does not mean you are sugar coating or being false. If only other people could understand this more, there may be less conflict in the world as a whole.

Okay I am definitely a Fe user. I find myself all the time telling people that there are skillful ways to express the same message while avoiding making people angry or upset. I visualize it like making a clean cut versus a rough one. Whatever type I am I'm confident it uses Fe and I'm also confident my dominant function is introverted. Slowly but surely I'm gonna piece together this puzzle.

Historically, I have had a hard time understanding Fi and the tendency I see in Fi users to not express themselves. What your video brought to light was the idea of Fi users believing their feelings are so intricate and rich that they feel it's impossible to express accurately and therefore to some, not worth it. On the surface that doesn't make sense to me. I have a hard time relating and I almost feel a bit insulted. "My feelings are nuanced and rich too!" :) However, it occurred to me that I say the same thing about Ni. I often stay silent when I draw predictions about topics because it's difficult to paint the full picture for people. But I can see it clearly in my mind. And this reminds me of my INTP friends. Who tend to be very quiet as a default despite having a very strong, logical perspective on a topic. It's fascinating because these are the areas where we are arguably the most certain. However, that certainly can seem overwhelming to express. We think, "Surely no one else can ever *know* the way I know, and it seems futile to try." The important take away is that we all should try to express ourselves,. It takes effort on my part to convey my "Ni-ness" :) I have to accept that its unlikely anyone will fully understand what I'm thinking or why. I"d say the same thing is true for Fi-doms and Ti-doms. No one will ever *know* exactly like we do. Instead of feeling perpetually misunderstood, perhaps we can make the most of the challenge and do our best to refine and strengthen communication. And what a wasted opportunity not too! Who better to express the nuances of human emotions than a Fi dom? It's not an easy task, but they're most suited for it, no? Certainly, I have an easier time talking about my feelings, being an infj. But I don't understand or know them in the intimate, complete way, that your brother understands his.

Renaud - this was exactly the observation angle I needed to gain clarity about what Fi and Fe really is about. It suddenly makes so much sense. It's not about feeling oneself more or other peoples emotions or about authenticity. It's about communicating them on the outside and naturally solving emotions on the outside vs dealing with them alone! 💡 This gave me such clarity and resolves my newest identity crisis 😅

INTP here going through Ren’s backlog. What amazing insight to help differentiate not only Fi vs Fe, but as others also noticed, extroverted vs introverted functions in general.

It makes complete sense that a dominant FI user and a dominant FE user would have the hardest time because neither are balanced in their feeling functions. Having feeling as your auxiliary also means your fe-fi are more balanced. The same would go for the ENFP. Feeling function wise the ENFPs and INFJS are more balanced . But the INFPs would be more balanced in Intuition because its their auxiliary. I just think its a matter of balanced functions. Just my thoughts:)

Good vid! This reminds me of being the 'secret weapon' as a kid...when my Fi siblings or friends were grounded or they really wanted something they would get me to talk to the mothers and I would get them out to play. I still do it as an adult in building bridges between those that have fallen out and cannot see the other's viewpoint or inability to speak Feeling.

Funny how everyone claims they and their whole family are intuitives cause heaven forbid one even considers the possibility that one can be a sensor, even though there is statistically a higher chance that you are than not😂😂😂

I think you seeing your dad’s perspective with Ni is what you’re doing, mixing some Fe with it. Ni is really good at seeing someone else’s viewpoint, I’m INTJ and I’ll do similar things in my relationships but logically understanding the perspective not emotionally, but we have a similar affect

I think it depends on how much introverted person is. I am Fe, but extremely introverted, and I don't expres my emotions that easily, ... In confrontation I tend to be more assertive, if I deal with an unpleasant person 🙄. Fe I express in liking ppl - hugging, kissing... A tons of them 😂😂😅😅... But with words - huh, not that easily

It's like an Infj weilds Fe as opposed to an Enfj who is just Fe incarnate

Im always in awe when i meet an enfj. Immediately feel there warmth. Surprisingly they look on infj with ambivalence .

Best description I’ve heard. Thank you.

Te can have a similarly suffocating presence to it. In this regard, I think there's actually a potential to confuse Fe with Te when looking for example of functions in real life. In my experience, xNTJs tend to get on my nerves quite a bit when they are trying to help. It's just that they try to help in different ways than Fe-users. Especially Te-Ni users trying to give unsolicited advice on how to achieve goals and end up trying to do everything for me themselves. Maybe that's just my bias against Te as a Ti-dom. "Help" in the form of unsolicited advice is very insulting to my Ti. It's as if they fail to consider that I've already thought of that and jump to conclusions without exploring the nuance of logic. So perhaps that's how Fi-users feel... Like Fe is shallow and reductive and rushes to say things that would be regrettable and feel ill-advised to an Fi-user because they are oversimplified and not "true" in a feeling sense ("authentic"). In writing this, I am currently realizing even more how Ti and Fi can seem similar. If I think Te is a rushed and deeply flawed version of Thinking that reaches conclusions I've already considered but then built upon and edited extensively, perhaps Fi feels Fe is a rushed and deeply flawed version of Feeling that makes value judgemements they've already considered but then built upon and edited extensively? 🤷‍♀️ I guess extroverted functions tend to seem a bit superficial and infantile to those who use the introverted counterparts, and introverted functions will seem too narrow and rigid to those who use the extroverted counterparts. I'm pretty sure I'm INTP, but I've often entertained the possibility of INFP, and find myself always returning to an exploration of how Fe and Fi differ, as it seems pivotal in distinguishing the two types for me. As such, I was really excited to see this video topic. I do have a hard time expressing my emotions, but I think it's mostly because I don't trust emotion and try to let time pass to logically analyze my emotions by myself in an effort to be unbiased and certain. I'm also extremely introverted and avoid exposing vulnerabilities to those who may not be trustworthy. Based on your descriptions, I still think I'm an Fe-user. Even with inferior Fe, I've always found myself in the mediating role, trying to reduce conflict and saying what needs to be said to foster harmony. Whenever people fight in my family, I'm the one stuck in the middle, taking no one's side, but instead trying to get the people fighting to understand where each other is coming from, and backpedaling on behalf of the person who said something hurtful. Even when I was a kid, whenever one of my classmates was upset because they felt excluded, my teacher would ask me to go outside and talk to them. If I am an INTP, I think I have aspired to use my Fe from an early age moreso than a lot of INTPs I meet. I've had people try to convince me I'm an INFJ and that I "don't realize I'm using Ni" but so far that explanation seems less logical to me.

Interesting! As an INFP.. I would probably have to confront the issue like you did... but more than likely it will be more personal and not based on specific behaviour but a pattern building up. To put it simply.. I’d say that their pattern of behaviour affects my sense of personal dignity or something like that. So I would not address the specific instance, but talk generally about how being ‘mothered’ by them makes me feel that they see me as inferior to them and not an equal.. and I’d like to be seen as an equal by them. Id let them to know that they have made me feel that they are treating me like a child. Then I may go into depth about why certain behaviors of theirs in the past have made me feel belittled, even though I know they were trying to help. So, in a sense I describe the damage being done internally by their actions. It could be perceived as a ‘guilt trip’ ..and very personal. As I’m essentially calling out their character or lack of self restraint... but that kind of serious discussion will have some necessary fallout .. and if guilt is the only byproduct to getting my personal dignity back, then we weigh that up as to whether it’s worth it / if it will result in the greater good for ourselves and others who may be experiencing the same difficulties with this person in the long term. I guess you could say it’s similar to Ne and Ni. An Ni user will see an Ne user flitting around trying to come up with ideas to suit the present moment.. whereas the Ni user is looking long term at the ideas across time. This is how Fi sees the situation with ethics. Will it be more beneficial to hurt their feelings NOW for the long term health of the relationship. In a sense Fi is universal in that instance.. seeking long term / eternal principles for how a human should treat a human (like Ti). Confronting the issue is designed to protect everyone’s Fi by speaking out. I think Fe tends to err on the side of putting out spot fires.. whereas Fi will go to the core issue. We’re not afraid to talk about the negative aspects of their behaviour. It’s true.. they ARE having a negative affect.. and if they want to have a healthy relationship with me.. they need to know where they are doing the damage. So you can see why an INFP or ENFP would sometimes rather ignore that discussion altogether because if they do enter into it to address the issues.. it is likely to be very intense! Having Si also lets them know that this person ‘does this kind of behaviour all the time’.. so they know it will be hard hitting and hard for them to change. We weigh up whether we think they are willing to change also. Your aging grandfather is not likely to change.. so you obviously don’t confront them in the same manner as a younger person. I’ve noticed Fe users being really effective by just addressing the current behaviour and I envy that capacity to seek short term harmony in a sense. Maybe it’s the same as Ni users appreciating the quick Ne solutions put out by Ne users in the moment. But at the same time.. seeing them as only short term effective in a wider framework.

Fe users tend to be more diplomatic than Fi users when expressing themselves, it seems. I find that Fi users (generally though not the Fi-doms), when they express themselves, can get really assertive and tend to force their view into you with angry emotion (but I wonder if it has more to do with Te than with Fi). Fi doms often complain about being misunderstood but I feel like part of it is because their emotions are difficult to read to most types. They really do contain their emotion and it just leaks somehow. If you're not in tune with the nuances and these "emotional leakages," you won't understand how Fi-doms react. This brings me to wonder if ENFJs and INFJs differ in their reception of Fi emotions. Are ENFJs, because of being used to expressing themselves more often, need more outward signs of emotions than an INFJ would?

Hello , Ren.amazing and stunning how you dealt with your Dad......Great to hear hoe you get along with your brother and stepbrother. You know these bonds are so important and PRECIOUS......So Nice of you to try to treat your Dad so delicately, because you Don,t want to Hurt him, and at the same time YOU need to BREATH......I AM sure when your stepbrother will get older hè will grow towards your father and appreciate his protection more than hè does now......

This is useful. I'm an SFP. Haven't determined I or E yet. Mom is an ESFJ. She can be very overbearing, but always well intended. I used to tell her to give me space but I'd end up hurting her. I learned that Fe needs to feel like their help is appreciated so i adjusted my words. Which isn't easy beacuse whenever Fi does express anything it does it in the exact way of the mood it's in, be it warm or hostile. It also doesn't help that I'm more of an action person than a words person But I've had good results while adjusting my words. I've learned to use Te to express these things in an ordered fashion.

Yay so well put the truth that validates the other and achieves communication goals.thankyou for confirmation.

This video brought some really interesting comparisons to mind, I’m an ENFP btw. So when you said you can communicate with your dad well enough because you can openly express how you feel and that you love him and appreciate him etc., my first thought was, “that seems superfluous, the people I love know I love them so saying so is unnecessary for both parties”, but then it got me thinking, I suppose the big difference with me and perhaps some Fe users I’ve known, is that I don’t always express my feelings verbally or outward;y, maybe in how Fe folks are inclined to react to, not simply because I cannot express what it is I feel, I think I can fairly well in fact, but that I express my emotion in far more ways than just words (not implying Fe doesn’t). But that, well to me, I “see” emotion around me in life literally everywhere, in art, music, color, every sort of nuance in a relationship between two or more people, so when I express my emotions to others, I use all sorts of means to express them, maybe through actions, through my words, my ideas and mental wanderings even, and I suppose, I can forget at times that not all people are as perceptive or can pick up emotion in ways that I do, so if I don’t directly say to someone how I feel, I mustn’t always assume or expect that person to just know. Awesome video! As you can tell, you’ve certainly got my mind churning with SO much stuff, I didn’t even write it all down! :P

Very helpful to hear about a very sophisticated view of the normal experience of life, and especially for us young men. I can relate to much of the content.

Fi is deep, intense, all.consuming, passionate, burning, exclusive, tragically romantic. Fe is affectionate, nurturing, inclusive, expansive, embracing, harmonizing, mellow

Thanks so much for this explanation. It really applies to my family situation. I’m an INFJ, and my ISFP spouse really doesn’t get on with my ESFJ mother (I can only take so much as well). That Fe vs Fi misunderstanding is always present, and the Fe of my mother comes off as very inauthentic to my spouse. And as the ISFP does, inauthentic is probably the biggest red flag to keep distance.

I wish these videos were structured by points or smth 😭

That's very interesting! Today I gave someone a compliment because I genuinely want a good business and friendship relationship with the person. I held back from the saying how I passionately felt about some other things that weren't done to my liking because I didn't want to take the chance of ruining the relationship by pushing my point. I can see Fe at work.

Yer im Isfp and the mrs isan Enfj so you can imagine the fi & fe struggle we have some times but like you we appreciate our differences although i seem selfish and shes like a control freek we understan where we are coming from . Thanks for your informative real life examples, it al helps . Cheers .

I have been struggling with INTJ and INFJ until your video clarified everything! I can see that I am definitely a Fe user by your example. If a situation bothers me, I prefer to talk without holding it in like you did with your father. Thank you very much!

You have a point that I hadn't thought about before. Usually, when people are comparing Fe and Fi the difference that comes up is how they perceive and deal with others' feelings (Fe are more likely to take others' feelings into consideration, while Fi is more likely to take their own feelings into consideration). But one very evident difference that we don't remember often, and you mentioned, is the communication. Fi users are way more likely to keep their feelings to themselves, and even have more difficulty putting them into words if compared to Fe users. I'll try to keep that in mind more often when trying to type people.

My take on Fe and Fi: According to Jung, the extrovert is more objective and and the introvert is more subjective. Of course, these feeling functions both have their own values but they are felt differently. To break stereotypes, FI IS NOT ALWAYS SELFISH AND FE IS NOT ALWAYS SELFLESS, EMPATHETIC AND KIND!!! IF ANYTHING, FI IS MORE EMPATHETIC THAN FE SINCE FI HAS MORE TO DO WITH EMOTIONS AND HAVING THEIR OWN VALUES THEN FE!! Fe believes what everyone believes is wrong, or what is objectively wrong. Fi believes what they believe is wrong, or what is subjectively wrong. One way to describe Fi is “Still water runs deep”. Fe: Your feelings are my feelings! Your values are my values!! All of our values are shared!! Fi: My values are my values, and my emotions are more felt than shown. I have my own values and beliefs and I determine what is wrong and what is right. Fe is more likely to call someone beautiful because they fit in the beauty standard, Fi is more likely to think that someone is beautiful because they themselves think that the person is beautiful. A dominant Fe functions would see through the lens of Fe. Basically, they are Fe!! An auxiliary Fe doesn’t have the same rights as a dominant Fe, and they basically observe Fe. (Same thing with any other function). But if you really can’t tell, try typing yourself with socionics and Jung! Socionics website: Wikisocion Jungian book: Psychology Types by Jung How Jungian is structured: choose your dominant and you auxiliary functions, for example INFJ is IN(F) or Introverted Feeling. I personally believe that INFJ can be NiFi and NiFi as long as they are an Ni dom and feeling aux because of Nucleus. IF(N) is INFP and IN(T) is INTJ. Combos for socionics: You can determine that by their functions. IEI is NiFe or INFJ, ILI is INTJ, and EII is INFP. IEI is called INFp in socionics, but I personally think that is because INFJ is a perceiving dominant. EII is called INFj because INFP is a judging dominant. ILI is called INTp because INTJ is a perceiving dominant. Why I think these typology systems connect: Both MBTI and Socionics is based off of Jung, but socionics comprehended Jung’s theory better than MBTI. Hope this helps!!

Mmm. I really enjoy and appreciate ur channel. And the ascent. And the ...authenticityI’m also drunk. But that’s neither here nor there. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ Awesome keep on keeping on 🙏🏻👍🏻

I am an Fe user! Thanks for the clear explanation!

Enfp here and I do find high fe users quite overwhelming at times very loving and caring especially the more extroverted they are the more I can feel overwhelmed… I try to understand now they care more about group harmony then individual needs . I also have struggled to understand how they share all their feelings instead of processing them internally .

Unrelated but as an INFJ I see myself reflected in your speech pattern, crazy!

Hey man, good sharing & thanks for that. I’m also an infj & my experience with Fe is different though. I had difficulties to externalize my feelings as it’s really difficult for me to know my own feelings in the first place. I think the way my I experienced Fe is more like picking up on someone else’s feelings & kinda make it mine, that’s just how i see them. 😊

This is so true and relevant...! My mom is an ESFJ, so I get it. Fe style love can be pushy and overbearing at times. Like, "LET ME LOVE YOU!" lol

What you described here is the difference between assertive (using Fe) and passive communication (Fi) turning aggressive when passivity doesn't work. However, when you learn about the difference between passive, passive-aggressive, aggressive and assertive communication, assertiveness becomes just another technique for Te to use whenever the situation calls for it.

Yea...its not about being authentic...its about preserving relationships...and this i value more than own feelings...and this is my utmost authenticity to keep maintaining these bonds ...probably this comes easy to me as m an fe user over fi...

I'm an infp and I've recently entered a relationship with a lovely enfj. I'm now trying to understand the Fe function better, as a lot of people in my life are heavy Fi users (sounds like a drug, lol). I find the way she uses Fe very fascinating. I find myself thinking she is inauthentic when for example she still often calls her mom although she is also sometimes annoyed by her. Or calling a depressed friend every week. To be honest, those things seem really exhausting to me and I couldn't pull that off, but to her, it's just second nature it seems. I also try to tell her that It's okay to sometimes share your feelings, even if it might upset other people if it's something that's really important to you. I hope we can learn from eachother and grow together. Thanks for the video! :)

I identify with a lot of this. I increasingly think (especially after discussing mbti with my family over Christmas) that one of my sisters is an Fi dom (INFP) and the other has an Fi secondary function (ESFP), whereas my brother has tertiary Fe (ENTP), and I can strongly see this Fe/Fi dynamic in how we interact as siblings-in some ways it is more influential than just the extraverted/introverted dynamics.

Hi, thank you for sharing your thoughts about Fi vs Fe :) My Intp partner has typed me as INFP in the mbti system but I type Fe auxiliary in the socionic system (which is something I have a hard time to understand, I will need to look more into that) and I am a so/sx and find myself being somewhat comfortable with Fe doms and I wonder if it is because of my instinct stack... unless, I am not INFP ? (Fi and Fe and their differences in both system bugs me, I read definitions, but focuses differ in both systems, and I am trying to find the key element or understanding to really understand the distinction between both). My godmother is also a Fe dom user who is a type 2 and I found myself in a weird dynamic with her over the years, even if we were like two best friends in the past. I am very much opened about my emotions, intuitions and thoughts when it is the right time to do so, but my openess my feelings, led my godmother to feel a sense of need to help me (I am also a type 4 and I heard that type 2s tend to want to rescue the type 4). I ended up noticing that the more I was sharing about myself, the more she needed to help me. But the more she needed to help me, the more she needed improvements out of me and me to rely on her, when for me, the dynamic was primarly about connection, sharing, socializing and hanging out and I didn't feel in need of guidance. I also understood how for her it was about who she is and how she expresses love and care, it is her own langage. What actually helped my relationship with her, was a real discussion about what was occuring at large and to address her frustrations and telling her that I appreciated the care and concerns and I felt her need to help and it was very kind of her but it also limited myself to envision a different dynamic where we could just enjoy ourselves and share without for her to feel that I need guidance and I would really love to explore a new dynamic with her and I also asked her about her needs in the relationship and expressing mines, where we found a middle ground. She ended up opening to me and sharing that she felt a need to help but it was also exhausting in itself to have this compulsion to connect and help people and to my surprise, it kind of relieved her, knowing that, a relationship with me without having to be of a guidance, is possible and can be also enriching. We now have a more equal relationship where we sort of stepped out of the cycle and we have been creating to something where there is more equal dynamic between us two. I know the content of what we said helped, but I think what helped most of all, was just to create this space of, ''hey, let's talk real here, and let's acknowledge what is going on for both of us'', which brought us closer. I hope your brothers and your dad can find a middle ground and pleasure into being around each others.

Fuck, when I think Im close to solving my puzzle i then listen to the other description and it resonates too. To me it feels like I have both an Fi and an Fe competing for the top.

omg wow this really helped me understand fe vs fi!!!!!! i think i may be fi

I'm an ENFJ but a 5w6 centered to 8 , and I'm not as attached as a 2 could be. My Fe manifests by seeking and promoting social harmony and being there when someone I care for needs be. I think that my Ni is just a very strong one and idealising takes lots of the time I don't dedicate to people.

Same w/ my dad but with Te dom. I'm Ti dom(Possibly BECAUSE of this) so yea, it feels smothering and like being in chains to have someone trying to answer things FOR you while you're working through it.

The flaws of Fi have played a big role in my family relationships and friendships. I am not passive aggressive, but have long bouts of passivity and avoidance hilighted by rare but intense outbursts of aggression at my relational needs not being met. My ENFJ sister is far better at navigating these issues though she often does so at the cost of her own emotional boundaries.

What a good fortune in having the 4 NF types to witness. I know an ENFJ and they have the "suffocating" tendency. It would probably seem odd to the ENFJ to know this as their intentions are generally loving and kind. They might even feel that a "No" is like a rejection of their worldview that is often built around the unity of humankind. I am not a parent though I wonder if the lesson for parents and children is only by letting go of one another can they ever return to find each other a whole person.

This was amazing! Thanks a lot for sharing these insights :) I’m also an INFJ and I’m curious about what results from our lack of Fi. I heard that it’s good for INFJs to write or express their personal feelings in some way so that we can become aware of them. I’m not sure if that’s the best way to put it. I’d be happy to hear any thoughts on this you may have. Keep up the great work ;)

I’ve been so confused about Fi vs Fe. I am extremely outward focused and I’m constantly considering what the tribe wants and likes but I actually don’t care what they want/like unless I see it as a need. ...what does humanity NEED, what does my neighbor NEED? I am very empathetic but unless the circumstances require my empathy I am not motivated to respond or listen or care. It actually feels like I don’t know how to engage in conversation unless I can engage in helping make something matter. But at the same time, I can’t easily express how I feel, but if I can fight for you behind the scenes I am on it, I got you covered. This sounds to me like Fi, do you think?

I’m so weird because I NEVER cry (literally have cried like 2 times in the last 3 years) and I don’t feel emotions but at the same time I am “empathetic” (I don’t feel emotions, I help other just because it makes sense to me). Ex: when I watch animals die in slaughterhouses I don't feel any emotion, I don't even feel sorry for animals. at the same time I am vegan because there is no point in killing animals. I don’t understand if that’s a Fi thing, a Fe thing or a Ti thing 😩

Just a thought , could you keep the hand movements to a minimum and further way fron the camera as they are made larger and the movement is very disturbing visually , like your're speaking behind blowing curtains it might help others too because what you have to to say is so very important. Thanks.

oh my my mom is enfj too , she can be soooo overwhelming, but I love her, but similar to you I can't stay with her for ever xD and I do usually explain her a lot, that I need a time alone, and lot of other stuff, so she usually understand but I think I am infp , I am am right now questioning this, maybe I am more INFJ but still not sure.

Why do people think it’s only Fi users who only get angry? It’s like people with Fe “aren’t allowed” to show anger. Ridiculous.

I’m an INFP (but I’m more ambiverted) and my best friend is an ENFJ so I understand haha. But she doesn’t overwhelm me that much. If she does, i show her I need space from my body language and she usually gets the message lol when I ignore her or say just “mhmm”

Do you perhaps have any examples of how fe would show in an entp? Because I am wondering if I am an entp or not because I would rather get my point across in different ways to different people depending on who they are, but the thing is sugar coating was never really a thing I have seen being associated with entps, yet a lot of me changing the way I get my point across does involve sugar coating. I do know I am an ne dom for sure, but I have been a bit stuck on whether I am enfp or entp for a bit now

I find that inferior Fe is a bit similar to Fi in some ways, in that both find it difficult to express their feelings. The inferior Fe feels that expressing what they feel feels kinda embarrassing, and the Fi just can't express how they feel. So both inferior Fe and Fi will express how they feel in outbursts of anger. I am an INTP, I genuinely feel uncomfortable with my feelings, genuinely feel uncomfortable expressing them, I feel it's embarrassing, it's like, "feelings don't make sense, I'm a person of rationale, it doesn't make sense to show my vulnerability because my logic should triumph my feelings" kind of thing, although at times I do assert what I feel but more blunt than tailoring my words, I do at times tailor them so I won't offend anyone. So for example, deep down I do care deeply about someone, but then to just say that I care about them makes me feel very uncomfortable. Or, when I'm invited to a party, I don't feel comfortable saying no because maybe they will think I'm being a uncaring person or whatever, so I just attend it although I feel uncomfortable being there. Or I will make excuses why I can't be there, in a sense, I lie/make up excuses about why i can't be there, but in a way that it won't offend the person who invites me. So I guess inferior Fe cares less about being authentic morally, and yet to some extent, inferior Fe is also just as reluctant to assert their feelings just as Fi. And the reluctance comes from being uncomfortable with feelings, but at times, I do assert my feelings as how they are, usually when in the grip, when I am stressed, everything just comes out of me like a flowing stream, plus the tears and everything. It's embarrassing. LOL. And, I am curious how inferior Fi behaves, ENTJ and ESTJ. Are they just as reluctant to express their feelings?

I’m isfp my dad esfj and yeah it’s overwhelming sometimes as Fi dom I understand your infp brother and your enfp step brother too ! xD

So does both of your brothers find you, another Fe user, to be suffocating ? Or , is your analysis only for Fe dom vs Fi dom?

Wow, I (as a "thinker") honestly couldn't imagine spending so much time on analysing people's feelings or even trying to understand them. It seems very exhausting and I would mess it up anyways

Fi-teritary here. Fi and Fe do overlap. Feelings are feelings. Now about how one has Fe, making them unaware of their own emotions compared to others, that doesn't resonate with me due to Fe-blindspot. My Fi is more complicated in a way, such that I don't yell or cause conflict (unlike the stereotypical IxTJ's), not because I care about just for harmony's sake (Fe), but because that would expose my Fi, which I REALLY don't want. I just hide and swallow and move on, guaranteeing that my Fi is safe. Here is an example: If I yell, there will be social conflicts and drama, I would face backlash which would devalue my Fi if my Te fails to defend, so horrible. Now, when it comes to expressing emotions, it's already hard enough, because I have to first be authentic and make sure I have trust with that person.

I see your stare and body language and i am 99.99999% sure you are an infj (maybe enfj has the same stare).

Hmm.. Fe in Introvert is maybe me but i more Fi than Fe. Prehaps I need to find a Friend that use Fe but an introvert so i can Learn use Fe.

I dislike the Fe = peace, Fi = conflict definitions on internet. That definitions assume that all Fe users have 9 fix in enneagram but 9 fix Fi users don't exist. I know many 9 fix Fi users who got mistyped as Fe user because of disliking conflict.

Do you think Fi users tend to interpret people actions in bad ways?

I've got a feeling that Fe and Fi explains why life seems to be full of 'givers and takers'. Maybe that's oversimplifying, but the latter is certainly true. Some people seem inherently selfish and others, inherently giving, many being a mix of the 2. As a society we have moved very much towards an Fi culture.

Nice heart but too much waffle and too personal and I'm an ENFP!!!

INFPS take time to mature and make sense of things. At 40 yrs old , everything finally made sense to me and I realized how selfish and self absorbed my Fi made me appear to others. I think your brother will mature enough over time to realize the good place that your dad is coming from.

I have noticed that Fe users can understand the concept between Fe vs. Fi more quickly than Fi users.