**In the afterlife** Leonie: Sir...I couldn't make your son leave the dark side... Jeralt: What dark side?! You tried to kill my son, you fucking bagel!
Leonie: wait, you weren't with the Empire? Byleth: I'm part of the Blue Lions, idiot! Leonie: ......oh......uh......could've said something BEFORE you stabbed me! Byleth: You were trying to kill me!
Katie Jones I love how she grows post timeskip. She's actually one of the few students who really questions the purpose of war and who seems deeply affected by it.
I never saw that quote on Blue Lions thanks to Mercedes' intervention, but in Black Eagles she left me no choice. She ran to my army, and I was nowhere near Claude to force a surrender. I believe I had Lysithea kill her.
Jokes on you, I recruited 90% of Golden Deers in this route. Only Leonie was left and I kept her alive by luring her to Byleth with Nosferatu equipped. She survived 4 turns that Dimitri needed to reach Edelgard.
@@furfousir1420 if they survive the fight, will they appear in the Derdriu chapter? There's an archer backing up Hilda that I thought might have been Ignatz if I didn't kill him.
@@jesusislordandlovesyou3853 Because her father is neutral to the conflict so it would make no sense that she joined the war. Some rumors say that she died while trying to challenge the beast of her paralogue on her own.
Lorenz: "Lay me to rest...in a manner that is befitting...of the nobility." Ferdinand: *dying nearby* "The same...only...make my resting place more glorious...with a monument to all my numerous accomplishments...because I....am....Ferdinand Von Aegir."
Isn’t it interesting how when you kill an important character elsewhere, it plays the sad music and whatnot, but in To War At Gronder, it doesn’t? It shows that it’s a ruthless battle and I feel makes the deaths even sadder.
Yep. When I got to A-level support between her and Byleth, my soul was crushed because it basically answered my question as to why I never saw her re-appear in the other routes. It's all but explicitly stated that she takes her own life.
@@boethia7367 It's always possible that she succumbed to the beast within as a result of her tainted bloodline but after her support with Byleth... it's pretty cut and dry what happened.
Ferdinand’s death quote changes if you kill Ladislava before him. It’s something along the lines of a more general ‘keep this place protected’ message.
Claude's reaction to Hilda probably gets me the most. He counted on her abandoning him. She didn't, out of loyalty, and it got her killed. Claude is both wrong, misjudged his friend, and now totally alone.
Right? Such a good moment for her because it shows that she doesn't back out when her friends are in danger (which you might assume from how unreliable she is in most other scenes), and her death is one of the only times Claude drops his facade of flippancy and really lets his grief show.
@@hooray4paradiddlesit hits harder when you realize Hilda during academy phase said she doesn't want to die for protecting her friends but then in AM and CF, she literally did the opposite and protect Claude even if it means her death. Especially in CF tho where you have to kill her but then you had the choice to spare Claude, which made it even worse that you spare Claude but killed all of his friends, he's left alone again just like he did during his childhood
Agreed. Lysithea alone is one of the larger factors that makes ch17 difficult to keep everyone alive. Personally, Blue Lions route was my first route what I played while not knowing how to recruit anyone.
Didn't care much for Ferdinand, until my recruited Dorothea commented on it after the battle. "We killed Ferdie professor. He used to be our friend. Do you remember those days?"
@@Anonymos185 the delivery of that line is amazing. it's super haunting. I wish there were more lines like that. That's the only one like that I know of.
Honestly, every death except Hubert broke my heart. In my blue lions play through I recruited Linhardt and Dorothea and avoided Caspar and Petra like the plague on the maps so as not to kill them.
@@abigailsolomon4148 petra actually wiped me out. I lost all my Divine Pulses on her, because I was out of gambits and in Hard Mode, she has 120 avoid, it's crazy. even hubert breaks my heart. and obviously edelgard if I feel that way towards hubert. And hanneman and Manuela join Edelgard if you don't recruit them, and that also hurts a lot. what a game.
@@abigailsolomon4148 You say that....but my Dimtiri annihilated her so hard at Gronder I was actually kind of annoyed when she showed up in Enbarr. Her evasion and speed were high, so I used Atrocity for a OHKO. And then Dimitri crit while activated his crest. 507 damage yo. Petra was way out of the way at Enbarr so she was the only Black Eagle to live. I wanted to spare Dorothea as well but I couldn't lure her out of that fire orb...
@@katrinajagelski318 Wait what? Oh shoot...I'm doing an Azure Moon playthrough where I basically don't recruit any of the faculty (Alois, Manuela, Hanneman, Cyril, Shamir & Catherine). It's February and NONE of them have showed up, so I guess this means that I have to face them all based on your comment :(
That moment when you choose the Blue Lions as your first route, but don't even bother recruiting ANYONE... and after the timeskip... you're hit by the harsh reality... 💔💔💔💔💔
Oh, you think that's something huh? Try Black Eagles route while not recruiting anyone else, THAT@S what you call racking up a (potential) body count! Hell, it's easier to list who never runs the risk of being killed in that route, all 3 of them.
@@jpmagnus6909 I played the Black Eagles route after the Blue Lions' (Shocking, I know), and I became determined to recruit as many students as I can. But I did watch a video about the death of the people you don't or CAN'T recruit. The most heart-wrenching thing about that? When you attack them as Byleth, most of them show utter hatred towards you...
@@Hanin_Isa especially the Blue Lions. The scary one is Rhea though, from how she starts talking to Byleth calmly one moment to full on scenery chewing the next.
@@Hanin_Isa for me, one of the biggest emotional sucker punch interactions is Byleth talking to Mercedes before fighting her. Seriously, Mercedes is one of those characters you would always feel bad about killing, thank God Marianne never shows us post time skip if you don't recruit her.... then again, the theories about why she doesn't show up...
No one seems to be saying it so I will-Petra’s voice actress is CRUSHING this. She sounds genuinely heartbroken. The way she begs for Edelgard’s forgiveness as she dies kills me (but maybe bc I know Petra is best girl)
The Golden Deer ones hit really hard... especially because they're literally all pointless. Claude attacking the Kingdom Forces, especially Byleth, is ridiculous.
Honestly, that's probably what made me dislike Claude when I first played AM. He leads his army against the kingdom ... why? Why doesn't Claude focus solely on Edelgard alone? It's almost like Claude got his own allies/friends killed foolishly for no reason.
@@l.n.3372 Exactly. After playing Verdant Wind I think they could have written it as Claude getting his hands tied by Count Gloucester and told to kill Dimitri after what you did at the Great Bridge. At best, you caused a serious diplomatic incident attacking it. At worst? *You killed his son.*
@@Videokirby Ironically, AM Claude doesn't care much that Lorenz might have died at the great bridge chapter. He never even reacts to it at all in Gronder. My first route was AM and Claude left a really poor taste in my mouth. I played VW second, and I honestly liked Claude even less afterwards. Everything about him just hit the wrong notes with me. Spoilers below, just as a warning. For example, in chapter 13, the reunion, Dimitri's entire schtick is that he's so radically different now. He's like a different person who is fully ingrained with murder and violence. When he says "shall we go rat hunting?" it's supposed to show how far he's gone from the Dimitri we once knew. But Claude in VW reunion literally says they should go kill some bandits to, essentially, warm up their reflexes/muscles after eating lunch. WTF?! Is Claude a sociopath! Why is this acceptable from Claude to view humans - even bandits - as just warm up practice? That's so cruel and disregards human life if they're nothing but practice. Another example of double standards. When Dimitri chooses to prioritize the war/killing Edelgard, it's him being selfish since he's not saving Fhirdiad instead. But when Claude and Seteth decide to prioritize killing Edelgard to end the war sooner, without ever saving Fhirdiad, they're viewed as doing the right thing and are never doubted. Why is this acceptable double standards? I understand that Dimitri's (great) character arc involves him learning to stop prioritizing the dead over the living, and it's a good arc. But Claude and Seteth literally do the same thing: they both ignore Fhirdiad, only care about killing Edelgard to end the war, and they don't get called out for being selfish or for not caring about the kingdom. Also, Dimitri saves Claude and Derdriu in AM but Claude in VW can't be bothered to care about Dimitri or Fhirdiad. Yet, nobody acts like that's inhumane: it's simply fine for Claude.
Strike The Furry makes me cry all the time as far as unrecruited students deaths go my list is this Lysithea’s Death (Azure Moon) Mercedes’s Death (Crimson Flower), Flayn’s Death (Crimson Flower), Hilda’s Death (Azure Moon And Crimson Flower) Ashe’s Death (Crimson Flower) I would say Verdant Wind but I Spared him, Petra’s Death(Azure Moon), Annette’s Death (Crimson Flower) Bernadetta’s Death (Azure Moon And Verdant Wind if not recruited but only a monster would do that), Ingrid’s Death (Crimson Flower), Felix’s Death (Crimson Flower) if you can’t tell killing unrecruited students hurts me the most in Crimson Flower And Azure Moon for the most part obviously it would probably hurt to see Claude Die in Azure Moon since Gd was the first house I chose and I’m almost done with my Verdant Wind Playthrough as i’m typing this reply.
@@Ninjaananas What's Edelgard excuse for not giving a crap about Bernadetta dying at Gronder, tho? At least Dimitri's "excuse" is that he's not mentally sane/dealing with PTSD. But why does Edelgard not care about sacrificing Bernadetta?
@L.N. 1. Edelgard did not sacrifice Bernadetta. Bernadetta was never meant to die there. She even has a fire trap layed out to potentially stop people from attacking her while she can safely attack them back. Mind that Bernadetta's tile is the only one not on fire. 2. Edelgard does care a lot about Bernadetta. When you kill her, you can see how Edelgard is visibly saddened. This is much more of a reaction you got from either Claude not Dimitri at Gronder.
You must recruit every possible student to: KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! Anyone else as you heart is content! Posdate. I hope eldegard is murdered by a critic of dimitri or byleth
my first time playing Azure Moon, i didn't want to force the Black Eagles to choose between me and their nation. i haven't gotten to the war during any of my second playthroughs yet, but i think this time i'm going to recruit people who's ideals don't align with Edelgard....and maybe Petra, too....
When playing blue lions/golden deer you only have to recruit Ferdinand(and maybe Dorothea). I was able to go through a game without killing a single student other than Edelgard and Hubert.
Gotta love how Claude's reactions to his teammates' deaths are both "I miscalculated?! How!" and "actually heartbroken" Also, fanfic where Claude actually adopts Raphael's sister after this? Pretty please?
Out of the three, Claude shows both compassion after the death of his own house and students from other houses. In the map where you fight Edelgard, he's like: "We got the key to enter in the Throne room..." with a sad face after Petra's corpse disappears. Same for Dorothea. Edelgard, meanwhile, is like: "Kill every last one of them Blue Lions."
Lindharts yell before he does and his end quote fucking destroyed me. The same goes for Caspar and Dorothea. For gods sake they were all so precious and I A ranked them quick af.
It's the way that map is set up, I'm actually in the middle of it right now - she's helping defend the harbor where Claude is located, but they're surrounded by the Imperial Army and Byleth, the Blue Lions, and the Kingdom Army are on the opposite side of the map.
I didn't recruit ANYONE on my first runthrough, which happened to be BL. This was basically my run in a nutshell, though I didn't kill anybody who wasn't an objective boss (I only killed those who the game explicitly forced me to kill). A nice extra challenge.
When I played Azure Moon Caspar kept pursuing me. He eventually engaged my Byleth and said “did you have to kill a lot of your friends to get here?” I did kill some students at Gronder and oh boy did he put a hole in my heart
Made glad i was able to recruit some of the black eagles.... *(ain't killing petra or dorey)* .... sadly I couldn't save Ferdinand....... Poor one out for the boy.....
@@UltimaXVI true. To an extent she does but dorothea is mostly dead inside for the entire war anyway *(at least that's a fair guess to make given she seems very upset about the war regardless of the side)*
When I played through this route, I totally bypassed all the Golden Deer and just went straight towards Edelgard as fast as I could - some of them engaged my units but they weren't killed. This is my first time hearing Claude's lines watching his friends die... and his response to Lysithea breaks my heart. On this path, my fight wasn't with the Golden Deer so I just wanted them to survive.
Bernie & Petra are always my top priority with Ferdinand as well. I always try to spare everyone I can so I'll give everyone this tip: Use gambits since if they hit they are disabled for 1 turn so you should get enough distance away from them. I saved a few students with this
I never played a fire emblem game until three houses. I didn’t expect much from this game but in the end it really broke my heart having to kill the students I grew to love in the game.
I picked Golden Deer as my first House, and I love all those dorks so much. I don’t know if I can bring myself to play the other routes without hurting any of them. 🥺
On my BL run, I am so glad that I was able to recruit all of the kids from the Black Eagles because oh my God, my heart broke hearing Caspar and Dorothea...
I did the black eagle to Silver Snow route on my first playthough so I only came across Lorenzo at first. Then on my Golden Deer playthough, I recruited everyone but Ingrid and Ashe, though I was successful at getting them before the time skip. Now on my blue Lion playthough I've recruited everyone before the time skip and I plan to do the same for Crimson Flower route.
This is why when I get to my blue lions and golden deer playthroughs they will be on new game plus so I can quickly recruit my 3 black eagle girls seeing them die is not an option
"Make sure my funeral is fancy enough", really Lorenz? I love you but for someone who wants to go down in history so badly you really could've done better
Only time I rolled my eyes when Lorenz talked was when he mentioned that Claude asked Dimitri for help because he was there. I was like: "Lorenz, no...You're better than this..."
I am glad that in my first playthrough I recruited all but 2 students(Ferdinand and Caspar) and in my 2nd I did recruit them all. I may do some no recruit runs to up the difficulty in future playthroughs tho.
As sad as it is, I wish more students were route locked and not recruitable. It makes the routes feel way too samey if you can just recruit 90% of them onto every route. The harshness of war also loses a lot of meaning when you've recruited 90% of the cast onto a single route, too.
A lot aren’t sensical either; Leonie and Ashe for example have good reason to not at all join the empire for their own reasons, and a majority of students have no excuse beyond “muh Professor”. It’s pretty stupid ngl
@@aquano1972 You'll hear no complaints from me. I don't think the game ever did a good job establishing why the Black Eagles even support Edelgard in CF itself. They all just feel like they go along with it but never actually express why they're fighting Edelgard's war.
Whenever I play a route, I usually either don't recruit at all or only recruit 2 students because recruiting everyone is simply the easy way out and I want to play what the devs intended
@@PeruvianPotato I usually just use the students of the intended house unless I'm doing a challenge run. And since challenge runs are meant to be difficult or meme, it makes sense to recruit in this case. For example, I did a magic only run of CF once. Using Petra or Caspar on this challenge would have been painful, so I benched them and allowed myself to recruit any magically inclined students to replace them on the team.
As someone who played the Blue Lions route, I was like "But I don't wanna kill you *cries and screams into the Joy-Cons.*" (I wasn't able to recruit nobody pf the other houses, but I recruited everyone from the monastery else)
I'm the type to ignore all the students I didn't recruit because it hurts me to hurt them. I cried for a good hour or so when I accidentally faced and killed Ingrid in Crimson Flower in my first play through of that route.
Can anyone tell me which ones you're 100% required to kill and which others you're able to spare?(either throught actual dialogue or the map Is a "Kill the Boss" or something similiar)
I spent years playing fates and awakening always slightly annoyed I could never make my main character ride a wyvern and weild a legendary weapon. When I was finally able to in this game I was overjoyed, but having to strike down these students on my secound playthu was almost to painful.
That Claude part, I'm sorry but I just got to laugh. His scream was just like "ugh" and then "yea screw this, I'm retreating". Why did you not do it in the first place??!
