Was dead tired after posting this and forgot the timestamps ack! Pasted these into the description so there's timestamps within the video too, thank you Fibos!
Thanks and good luck to you as well. I currently have 405 sqs and 11 tickets with more to come as I complete all my free quests, interludes, and rank ups. I've never saved this many sq's or grinded the game this hard before, so I hope I can pull her(sped through all of the available lostbelts and epic of remnants since I was behind).
Pocketchalk, thank you so much for taking the time to share and research the topic of arts farming for Na Players! This is a very dense and well detailed guide of which i hope the community will be able to use to their benefit for years to come ^^
Most tier lists are low effort clickbait I find that have way too much bias. This is the total opposite of this. All of the math and justification is provided in a very easy to understand format. It's incredibly well-researched. Thank you so much for putting in all the time and effort on this!
@@averagehotwheelsenjoyer1649 I hate to tell you, but if you're serious about using any kind of omni looper on 90+ nodes going forward, they better be grailed and NP2 at minimum. If you're not prepared to do that, just assume your NP1s are going to cover what they're effective against, which is totally fine and F2P friendly. You don't need any S tier loopers (I've looped half the JP 90+s this year with Habetrot). Grails are a hell of a lot easier of an investment (especially post-Grail casting) to ask than the SQ investment you might need to pay for NP3. I would state the NP2 threshold is obviously not F2P friendly, but I'd rather not blow sunshine up the asses of players falsely selling them on the idea they'll clear every 90+ with an NP1 Spishtar or Muramasa. I would also of course tell them to not NP2 all these servants and instead invest in maybe one of them and then if you also have some NP1s of various others that's even better to ensure you can tackle multiple node setups. Refund varies greatly per the node in question. I can show you extreme examples where looping in general probably isn't going to work without some extreme investments such as this upcoming lotto's first round because that CE is utter garbage. Plugsuiting is mentioned as allowed specifically to cover this. You have to be somewhat realistic about what a guide can cover in a general sense. There is obviously some accounting for battery/refund though because for example you have Musashi Berserker in A tier because there are times she gets screwed over by not having a battery like the 3 in S tier because you can't entirely rely on refund.
Great to see this finally coming out after looming in the horizon for so long and having to deal with so much math xD And also nice to see all those headpat emotes getting some use on the doc! xD
@@KekkanSeihin CQ looping isn't that hard. For one thing, you have access to cards and with Castoria's NP buffs, it's quite easy to refund full gauge if you just pull at least one Arts card. Now good generalists would be the Arts zerk trio Vlad, Galatea and Kriemhild (only Vlad is available in NA rn).
@@kun2588 Yeah, but Tiers are just fun. Plus, it's interesting how well STs fare with varying Grails, NP Levels, supports and MCs. As a new F2P, I only have Walfare Waver... plus I might not get Castoria, so, how well single Castoria fares is valuable info.
Oh this actually is something I hadn't seen info on anywhere else. Thanks for this video. Shame I don't like any of the servants in S tier but plenty of other options.
thanks pocket for all the effort that you put into this video/doc is so refreshing watching someone having so muh passion about the game. love the video, love the doc, love the streams, love you
Yah. Muramasa is probably the only servant that I wouldn’t mind spamming his NP as his Np is in fact the best and most badass one in the game. VA alone already makes it the best. Everybody else NPs are lame. Percival’s is good too.
I can't believe you made fun of Geronimo like that. There is proof of him looping. All he needs is six assassins per wave, which has happened a full one time in FGO's history.
i love the vid already when you put Space Ishtar on S Tier. people tend to rank her lower than Kama Avenger and Summer Kiara because of shorter animations and Kama Avenger's damage potential but they keep forgetting how Space Ishtar is capable of looping in all three types. i know that isnt fair to add because the vid title already tells us that Chalk will talk about Arts Looping but Space Ishtar also came in the earliest of the three so she reigned the time of arts looping more than the other two.
Great tierlist. Very concise and in-depth. But I have a bone to pick... S.Kiara and S.Kama shouldn't be in the S-tier. S.Kiara is extremely wonky with her battery value fluctuating across all 3 turns and if you use the battery before her debuff based steroid, her damage will suffer. Her W1 and W2 damage isn't that great because she's a mooncancer (1.0x offensive mod) hitting at neutral. She can fail loops in irregular nodes very often specially when her battery value is inconsistent. Also, her damage numbers are also very close to Muramasa's, with him surpassing her on w2 and w3. SKama suffers on w2. She either has an excellent w3 or an excellent w1 but she suffers on w2. Also, her perpetual NP damage steroid is tied to her burst (which is tied to a debuff), so she's much more difficult to use in 90+ nodes and she requires more NP levels to meet Spishtar's consistency. Spishtar's the best Arts omni-farmer, 'nuff said. Eventhough Muramasa should be up there(because he has a better loop consistency than the others), I understand why you chose to bump him down given that he cannot farm Archer 90+ nodes. Other than that, an excellent list.
Hello, could you tell please, if i have rider Da Vinchi np2 should i roll for summer Kiara or it's not that much big of a difference and i should just wait for Ishtar?
@@nekitaroyamaoto2135 Da Vinci is good enough for now. If you want an upgrade I'd recommend waiting for Spishtar rather than settling for S.Kiara who isn't much better than Da Vinci.
While I am not a fan tierlists I always like your approach. You give the starting condition, explain what makes a servant good and then even give the numbers to proof, if someone wants to go deeper. I prefer that over just repeating what everybody else says. It also does not degrade servants as "trash" or "shit" but instead shows you that you might have to invest a little bit more into them if you want to use them for looping. Thank you for this positive view on things.
The list is good made and i like the knowleg. It is just….seeing this with most time „Np2 is a must“ oder „Space Isthar NP3-NP4“ i look at my servant-list and think „mhm….i guess 3-turn by big notes is a big NO“
NP1 is still capable of clearing pretty much 95% of the nodes in the game, plus you can easily add grails + plugsuit into the mix to make sure they beat the nodes. For example, literally everyone recommends having an NP2 dantes to do any skadi looping, but i only have NP1 dantes and he pretty much most of the nodes i throw him at. The nodes he cant beat are pretty few and far between and usually can be cleared just by adding an arash or plugsuit with a 3rd support. "NP2 is recommended" is pretty much just to beat 100% of the game, but NP1 + grails/plugsuit beats 95% of the game. so dont worry too much about it
@@dramaturgy845 Not necessarily. DCS has an AoE 60% battery, so running double DPS setups is pretty easy. For example, Kriemhild+DPS+DCS can easily 6-drop farm a 1/2/x 90+ node (given sufficient investment). Buster on the other hand are relegated to 5CE setups (apart from Meluko, Oberon and CasCu).
im kinda new to the game but how is she better than musashi? I've got a lot of Ishtars on my friend list(maxed out ones with np 2 or 3 btw) and the dmg is just disappointing
@@youngfappy6971 musashi got stuck when engages 1-1-3 lineup, she cant loop with few enemies, and this is a tier list, she is a berzerker with lacking survival ability, hence lower tier. TBF, I would rank Musashi higher than S.ishtar since beside looping, Musashi is easier to use in CQs cuz her piercing and her class.
Been constantly using Summer Musashi since I got her on NP2 and I can say even with and without Castoria, having her has made my farming runs smooth. But yeah sometimes, she'll go bad when part of the node doesn't go well. Before Caster Artoria/Altria, my Cow Sushi farming team consist of Tamamo, Paracelsus and "Support" Nero Bride. Even with Castoria, you would still need a Plugsuit Tamamo or Paracelsus at an off-chance. But serviceable nonetheless since don't have Space Ishtar.
Funny that summer musashi has fallen away from astarte and kama. I presume because her tendency to stall on irregular nodes. Kinda want to summon on summer kiara (cough second ascension) but himiko , kama (normal) , yang and normal kiara would all benefit my account more.
Im glad hokusai is in B tier. I can use my favorite servant to farm decently well. Gotta summon a castoria, I already got tamamo from the SSR ticket earlier this year, so I should be decently set. From what I can hear, summer Hokusai is also an incredible looper. My favorite servant is a farmer and an ST looper. Love to see it.
@@dstreetz91 That's what I figured. if I get lucky with crit stars, I can get mine to loop with relative ease rn just with her own arts buff and a waver. Can't wait for castoria to let her ascend to godhood!
Since I got Merlin very late in the game, I have a lot of NP5 Arts servants compared to some of my Buster and Quick servants as my Arts servants are anchored by Tamamo/Waver/Nero Bride As I have Castoria now, I'm play testing my Arts teams but my NP5 Space Ishtar then NP5 Summer Mushashi are my dedicated farming servants
Feels bad knowing Sieg & Mysterious Ranmaru X does better than a lvl. 100 Hokusai with 2k fous and the not extra attack append skill max, but thank goodness I invested into Sieg's skills to the max, now I need Castoria into my account for some peace & quiet.
well she didnt say that s.kiara is on paar with s.ishtar or s.kama, they are in the same tier simply because of the definition of the S-Tier in this list: Able to farm most 90/90+ notes with 6ce, Plugsuit,2nd append max, np 2, kiara fits all the criterias and is a well deserved S-Tier Arts looper, also she is fairly similar with s.kama in what they do
@@christof6809 I never said She is on par with S.ishtar or S.Kama Most people I know wouldnt put S.Kiara on the same tier as S.Ishtar or S.Kama (in castoria farming tier list if you need more clarification). S. Kiara is usually a little bit lower than the two avengers but a little above muramasa and co like A+ tier.
@@ilhamakbarhindarto1186 I disagree. Only reason why Muramasa is not on S is because he cannot farm one of the main seven classes (Archers) under that criteria. Otherwise, his damage is roughly the same as S.Kiara (both of them hit @ neutral with 1.0x modifier) and he outdamages her on w2 and w3 with greater loop consistency. S.Kiara should be in the A-tier as she doesn't have the same loop consistency as premier options and her damage is not as good.
@@christof6809 S.Kiara shouldn't even be on the same tier as them. Her damage isn't great and her loop isn't as clean as the others (because the avengers have the passive and Muramasa charges himself). Her Battery is gimmicky and her main steroid values are wonky. She's a much better CQ servant but she's not top-tier in terms of farming.
Tbh the funniest thing about it is that the S tier servants are all design based must haves in a way. Summer Kiara less popular but I accidentally got her anyways lmao and plan to get Spishtar, and Kama. Also I’d argue that in 3 enemy 3 wave farming that an NP2 Musashi generally doesn’t have to worry about dying since they always die first. Imo she is the best at lvl90 quests and if you have her NP2 she will most likely slap there as well especially after her buff.
Thank you for your work. One small detail - shouldn't Da Vinci Lily calculations include option of using 2 Castoria NPs before her own on third node? She can guarantee that charge and it boosts her damage by a lot.
Was looking at the new Lady Avalon, and realized that with the right CEs, she can actually make Jinako NP loop. It requires two NP5 Avalons, and K-scope equivalent on all three Servants, but the extra 20% on round 2 and 40% on round 3 should be just enough to push out that last attack.
I thought the KP np in the beginning was going to be used to smash the like button lol, also damm isn't muramasa's emiya amazing I definitely need to get him.
Hey! I'm sorry, but currently I am searching for a specific character who may be from Fate or TYPE-MOON in general. The character I'm trying to find was shown with an image when I was searching "Fgo Sasaki Kojiro" in Japanese. It was ca. five years ago and my memory may be failing, but I can precisely remember the details of this character. It goes as follows: - A Girl (thin, low in height, maybe a loli?). - Medium sized hair with an Ahoge (that one hair that sticks out in the air) that looks like either Arcueid or Jeanne Alter's hair. The haircolour looked like brown or orange. - An face like Nagao Kagetora and saber face in general (Suspended eyes, self-confident but kind). - She's wielding a Shinai (an Japanese bambus sword which is used for training). The thing is, I remember the Shinai being significant and larger than the girl's body, so she may be a loli. AND NO, It's not Fujinee. The character I'm talking about had an aura of Saber Artoria, Okita Souji or Kagetora. - Her upper cloth looked like an Japanese kimono which is similar with Yagyuu's first ascension appearence. But the clothes of lower part was an combiantion of typical school girl with mini-skirt and Knee high socks. Eventually, she had an Geta (Again, Japanese shoes) which looks like either from Tamamo's or Ushiwakamaeru's footwear. - And at last, I think the illustrator of this character is the famous Takeuchi Takashi. As I said, the face looked like somthing of Saber or Kagetora, in which they are drawn in Mr. Takeuchi's unique touch. Here some my theory/expectations of this character: - Dead/unused character setting. The picture I saw, was some sort of reference materials which could be bought. I never had a chance to know the title of this book, but I'm sure that the image was a page from material book. - Fate? or TYPE-MOON? The character looked like an typical Fgo servant (maybe an saber class?), but it could be TYPE-MOON related. Although I think the chance is low.' - Not from 月の珊瑚 (Tuki no Sango) Nasu-Kinoko had written a novel called 月の珊瑚 whichi is roughly translated as "Coral of Moon". The main character from this story looks like the chracter I want to find, but she don't match with my memory. She is too majestic and godly. - An Saber Class Servant? My memory is not clear, but I think there was an name written in Katakana (which is mostly used to describe foreign language), and a name in kanji afterwards. Maybe it's an Saber Class, who was supposed to appear in Guda Guda series. If anyone have seen, or know about this character, please tell me about it! I have been wandering and searching for five years, and I'm so obssesed with this mysterious character! And I'm sorry for my bad english. It's my second language. I have uploaded a drawing of what I can remember of this character. It will really help if you can check it and see if somthing rings in your head! twitter.com/EnigShuMaPe
I manage to do well on looping with da vinci rider np1 with waver and some friend supports but i thought ody the horse boy was better. this video helped me out to know i shouldnt waste resources on him yet thanks
as much as i love you pockytan, the title is a bit misleading, in-depth would mean a 2hr+ vid with you going over your google doc with pro/cons on the arts servant as well as its support list on who works best and which servant is a discount backup, at most this would be a quick guide with link to a more in-depth doc other then that the vid is good and the doc is amazing
IMAO 6CE setups is not necacery, 5CE is enough for most of farming. I would rather use Black Grail on Musashi zerk than try ti get her np 2 with plug-suit
Black Grail won't help Musashizerk alot. Her problem is refund not damage. There is only so much pushing overkill thresholds can do. An NP1 Musashizerk can't even 5-drop farm 2/2/x 90+ nodes with a BG because she's severely lacking refund. In regular 3/3/x nodes, even with 5CEs she's still relegated to using a plugsuit(specially against Assassins and Zerks).
Okay I don't understand Kiara and Musashi's post. I have Musashi Np2 and Kiara Summer NP3 But in this event Kiara can't recharge her NP to 100%... how is it better? Even if I have a CE to increase Arts, isn't Musashi better because it allows me to Farm without worrying about CEs or even the Mystic Code to equip? I love Kiara, make no mistake, there is a reason for NP3. but I was hoping it would be better and I wouldn't have to worry about carrying her NP... am I doing something wrong?
Using the Scatfest as background images for the phrase, "there is virtually nothing Gong can't farm in a 6CE setup" is a bit misleading, considering that the lottery CE for Scatfest has guts on it, making it uniquely anti-Gong.
I barely have append skills, let alone on lvl 10 or more than NP 2, I usually put everyone at least on 90 with some skills up but barely maximum at all, but I think I can loop anyway since I have Merlin as well to help the boost
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