I am a Old Systems Integration Engineer with over Fifty plus years of experience in the USA. I enjoy watching Nick and Adam working together the Master and the Apprentice.
One thing I learned long before I entered the work force was that, unfortunately, being qualified on paper has little connection to being able (or willing) to do work properly.
On the flip side, not being 'qualified' and actually doing the job properly, unfortunately does not benefit NICIEC shareholders....... oops, controversial.....
Nick & Adam. Ahh.....the joys of outdoor work and English weather! Maybe the rain will rinse off the wee'd tool bag? Nice camera work Adam. A treat to see Nick working! LOL
Since watching ye lads I'm really thinking of doing something similar in the fibre optic industry in Ireland. Also I'm bought stuff from uni light and I'm also in contact with the tool manic lads my misus will kill me one these days . Adam needs make more videos 👍well done very inspirational lads💪
Yeah mate, if you could do a Tradify video about how you set your account, create invoices, quote for materials, etc... that will be great! I tried Tradify in the past and I had to cancel the subscription because I didn’t find it very useful. The guys from Tradify offered to help me how I’m setting up the account but it was happening everytime I was very busy and couldn’t really allocate time for this even though maybe in the end was saving me time. Having a video about it I can watch it anytime and anywhere :)
I like the use of that gland pack, saving having to terminate to a metal box and using a gutter bolt for earthing the armoured sheathing... haven't used them before 👍
I would issue a minor works for it and state the elements on which i had improved on. I would have pushed if they had the budget for them to have switched from a plug top to a fused spur inside the property So this wouldn't be missed on the EICR of the property when it comes round for the system to be serviced. I don't think i could get away with treating as a portable appliance as if they are owners rather than renters. This would be missed off the inspection schedule. Also i would still test and record something just to protect my back if the system is modified after i left site and its does harm someone. Sending just an invoice doesn't protect your back if you get pulled into the dock to prove you left a safe, fit for purpose working system in the future. A plug top may fall outside the scope of "Minor works cert" as its removal without the need of a tool. But any records photos or videos at the time of commissioning will make sure you are not the one blamed if it does ever go wrong. Great Video once again :D
Here in New Jersey to become an electrician you have to work at least five years in the trade under a licensed master before you can even challenge the exam. Then you have to do annual continuing education. Even so I've seen some sketchy stuff with an inspection green tag on it.
Yet another so called "qualified", tradesman! They waft their JIB approved cards about, but regularly do very questionable substandard work? It's a bit like drivers on the road, they're all qualified but lots drive like chavs! This industry needs a brand new paradigm. Maybe regular practical trades tests? Recently I travelled over 100 miles to make off lots of pyro ends to a relocated fire alarm panel at a car dealership because the sparks on the job were making a hash of it! They were all JIB. Niceic ECA. What a mess! Everything crooked, black finger Mark's everywhere. Hmmm? How strange. I started my time in the 1970s, but I'm considered too out of date to join the niceic? I can do any job and, complex fault finding. I retire in a few years, thank god! Thanks for the video.
Edit: 132.16 in bs7671 states that "no addition or alteration temporary or permanent shall be made to an existing installation, unless it has been ascertained that the rating and condition of any existing equipment including that of the distributor will be adequate for the altered circumstances. Furthermore the earthing and bonding arrangements. Bs7671 644.1.2 states further on to this that any addition or alteration requires that any defect or omission that affects safety that us revealed during inspection and testing shall be corrected before a certificate is issued. From this, it being a temporary addition it would be safe to assume a minor works cert would be required
Seems like some sparks are getting their qualifications right out of Christmas crackers. In reality you learn out in the field. You can be taught the generic theory in college. Most of the practical you'll encounter in real life situations. You're blessed if you're mentored by a decent time served electrician. My mentor was an electrical engineer. The information and practical I was taught on site. Was far beyond what I learned in college. Hats off to great people. God bless his kind soul. I always had respect for him. He had the patience of a Saint. There were more then a few occasions when I F'd up. ☹😬😕
Even though it's on a plug top, it's a fixed installation in my mind as the SWA (and now the socket) is fixed permanently to the building / decking, so I'd issue a minor works
I’ve been using the Aurora En-lite down lights for years, E8s and E5s. Fitted thousands of them and can count on one hand the amount I’ve had to change due to failure
@@ruskythegreat it’s the gu10 lamp that goes though, I use the integrated fittings. GU10s are a false economy, less light output and don’t last very long in comparison to the integrated all in ones.
@@alanlloyd7208 Yeah, I might start swapping them for the E5 or E8 when the next starts to fail since the E5 is about the same price as the GU10 & I have 20 of them on my house
@@ruskythegreat if you shop around online you can usually get good bulk buy discounts on them, I use the electricalcounter.co.uk, excellent service and I’ve found the to usually be the most competitive for pricing
I have not long started using Tradify, I have a question for you about it, how do you go about using the schedule. Because it doesn’t give me notifications from the app I have to manually input them into my IPhone calendar like a pleb, otherwise I miss appointments.
If you were to issue a cert for that, it'd be interesting to see how you fill it in. You're effectively doing a PAT test. Insulation resistance and earth continuity only for me. Ze and Zs is largely irrelevant as its on a 13A fuse and the supplying circuit parameters could change. I guess you could record the Zs at the supplying socket. It's an odd one. I would try to persuade the customer to hard wire it.
Unplug the lights, treat the plug as if it was the beginning of the circuit and do all tests from there. Rcd test if the sockets have one. Then just note on the cert that the outside lights are plugged in.
Question Nick, how do you get Tradify sponsorship? I'm always plugging them as I love the product, but I'd love to get a discount code for my prescribers. I wonder what Delroy thinks of that under seat socket config? I use one of those big socket boxes for my Christmas lights, if you use them correctly they're great.
I don't know if you can issue it a issue a minor works cert. In my mind it's not really an "installation" to bs7671. You've essentially made a fancy extension lead. Nature of supply potentially becomes a tricky issue too. If you did issue a MWC I'd at least make it clear that it is on a socket.
No cert needed if it's on a plug as bypasses regs it's fused what more you need also rcd on consumer lol... I wired a light in a cupboard using a plug 2 core job to a bayonet fitting with inline switch sorted... I'm also near Stafford was born there and lived there most me life. Have fun guys
These recessed LED downlighters are springing up like toadstools. You can't go wrong with the OldSkool Rose Holder Batten 'n' Shade. Or a fluorescent light in the kitchen.
Technically I would not issue a Cert as it is not part of the installation...Buuut I would! As I consider it good practice and it is part of the installation.
I have been using them for a couple of years now from memory. They are well priced around £8.50 plus vat and having fitted at least 800 plus in bathrooms and kitchens & only having one not work when fitted, never had to go back to replace a faulty one, great value for money, very reliable, well made and you can even disconnect the fitting from the main wiring for easier testing. Not to mention they are all IP44 from memory, class 2 which is a bonus and you can get them in warm white, white, cool white, they even make a colour switchable version for around £2.50 extra per fitting. Uses a tiny slider switch to select your preference.
I personally wouldn't issue a cert for works on a plug top or from the load side of a spur/ lighting plug like a klik. it's interesting though as I don't think something like this would be PAT tested either not that many domestic jobs get pat tested. but personally, I would have come from inside from a socket drilled through the back and classed the 1 double socket as a spur of the ring and issued a cert, seeing it on a plug top make me think it wasn't a qualified electricians work.
Seems like the NIC has done the right thing , as I said in my comment about that particular installation . That all governing body’s should be pro active in this regard. Let’s hope we see more of this in the future . I also hope the person responsible for the work has been removed from the register. It does no one any good it work of this caliber is left unreported. So my fellow electricians don’t be afraid to name and shame. 😀👍👍
We have given up on all intergratedled fittings ( kosnic Jcc enlite.lap robus ) always get a few fail 6 months to 2 years so fed up going back for nothing JCC AS YOU NOW USE IS THE WAY FORWARD
Still not seen a single episode of GOT and probably never will. :) Your bromance is official now what with Adam finishing your sentences...... :) How is the retraining as a plumber going? And minor works on all jobs as a bare minimum for a paper trail. :)
I would definitely go down the MWC route and note on the comments the plug and socket arrangement should be replaced with a fuse spur unit. The SWA is buried and not classified as moveable under the appliance testing guidance, the fact that the connection method is a plug and socket, more usually associated with portable appliances isn't a valid argument for me. There are a number of instances I have come across apparatus fixed into cabinets and onto walls, but fed via a plug and socket to prevent breaking into circuits or ease of future maintenance.
That looked rough and ready for a DIYer, let alone a qualified electrician. If somebody could think that absolute lash up was acceptable as a chargable job, it goes to show how many cowboys there are out there,
BS7671:2018 definition of Minor work in Pt 2 infers it relates to cabling and switchgear that forms part of the installation and the adding or alteration of permanent items to it. Something connected to the fixed installation at a plug socket is not fixed or permanent and so falls outside of that definition. If you changed the MCB protecting that circuit to an RCBO because it didn’t have RCD protection as required for servicing an outdoor piece of equipment then that would require an MWC. If you found an extension lead that had the single insulated wires showing and made re-terminated it would you would not issue a MWC and that it what you did here.
As it’s basically an extension lead Nick, I would PAT test it stick a label on the plug in the house. But if the install in the house can happily take a fused spur I would suggest getting rid of the 3 pin plug and issue a minor works certificate.
I think I would have only touched it if the customer agreed to hardwire the other end via a spur, and then I’d test and issue a minor works certificate. Possibly different being it’s for a mate though.
@@TheFool2cool because looking at the original job it wasn't exactly a good standard of installation and he remade the armoured off and connected it to the skt,and how do you know if it there is correct polarity or lack of a CPC and being outside lack of RCD protection,but hey that's what I would of done,it doesn't take long to check and to me it was a fixed installation and not a appliance 👍
As the core of the wiring is "fixed" or permanent I would class it requiring a certificate. The fact that it's running from a 13A plug is irrelevant & in this instance a PAT can't be done correctly as you're not able to fully inspect the cable. In the same vein, I usually consider extension leads that are attached to the fabric of a building to be part of the fixed wiring. Being a bit of a knob here, but T&E into a plug isn't acceptable & I would be removing the plug and using an FCU, or at least an adaptable to connect to a flex.
Those locknuts do have a right way and a wrong way, as Adam said. They have little lines on one side that dig into the material as you tighten it up 👍🏻 Also, no to tape for identifying conductors, lazy Adam!!
They might have a right way in a metal box, but what about in a plastic box? I presume the ridges on the nut are to cut through the surface finish on the box and ensure the enclosure is well grounded, but it isn’t going to do anything but tear up the side of a plastic box.
Bryn Jones agreed! they don’t tear up plastic boxes though. They just dig in a bit then they stop the nut spinning so it doesn’t create complete carnage.. as you say though plastic boxes it really doesn’t matter but they still have an intended ‘right way round’.
I work on a.c. & d.c systems in telephone exchanges. Thank God cos that looked grim working in the rain, don't get me wrong I've done it myself whilst working for a generator company. Up to my knees in mud , wind blowing & cold as hell. Nasty.
Would get IR reading to make sure the armoured is not damaged but as it's run of a plug I would see no reason for a minor works cert as it's not fixed wiring.
If it was on a plug it's not part of the fixed wiring so I wouldn't issue a certificate although I would do a polarity, loop and rcd test on it. Anything on a plug I would class as an appliance technically this is not an appliance but a long extension lead.
Really blows my mind that people refuse to watch game of thrones just because its popular, it has every possible genre with movie quality cinematics in every episode. Best show ever made IMO
I agree, But I don't like it because I'm not into that type of fantasy shit.. And to be honest the acting was a bit cringe, The whole thing just bored me. And I just like to add that there should be far more to a show/film than cinematics or special effects, To me it's dead in the water if it doesn't have the scripts and acting to go with it.
Thing is going behind all these “fully qualified electrician jobs” is in my experience the customer wants to cut you down on price our give you a sob story of how skint they are so that promotes a rushed job, then they don’t like the look of it our something like this happens and all of a sudden they don’t mind paying proper money to get it done properly second time around...
Plug or no plug that install isn't being picked up and walked off with. It's an installation, not an appliance. It's subject to the same regs and paperwork as anything else.
Silly question, do u charge for going back and swapping out led’s when they say they don’t like the colour? If so did they moan about paying for this. Just get a feeling they would maybe argue the toss. Good vid mate as always
This is the thing with all in one lights, if they are not customer replacable they will waste your time day in day out with the crap they sell now. I know this was just bulbs, but just tell 'em, cold in kitchens and bathrooms, warm in anything else. Change them yourselves.
For alterations to the fitting at the end of a circuit, like you're doing here, i personally wouldn't issue a MWC unless the customer had a fresh installation cert from the previous electrician for that installation, in which case i would to show an alteration. End of the day the sad reality is any "competent" person could change the socket. Wouldn't need to be qualified
I think at least a small works cert so you can record the RCD results etc...I'm almost positive they won't have been given a cert when the job was done as that is not the work of a qualified electrician
My first thought was to terminate the swa at the consumer unit with a dedicated fuse, having it wired to a plug and it not being part of the electrical installation is interesting...
The circuit can be disconnected without the use of a tool, for example a plug top, so wouldn't issue a minor works cert, but would definitely test before handover. Another appalling lash up done away with.
