Flats reacts to Overwatch 2 Tiktoks with wild takes 

Some hog players wanted him buffed even more they will never be satisfied

IKR! i refuse to be gaslit again by the same people 6 years later!

“Just bait the hook and kill him 💀”

I WANT THE NARNIA HOOKE BACK. Take away his one shot, fuck it give him the air poof from tf2 instead idc. I WANT THE TACTICAL EXTRACTION HOOK.

​@@DimentioCorp okay here it is, you dont get the one shot but he gets his broken hook AND bribg back spinning while hooked cause that was so much fun to do and fight against. More fun for everyone less fun for one.

Exactly what I thought when I saw it 😂

From the poorly groomed hair to the neckbeard... You're so right

honestly but flats doesn’t look very different

As much as I don't enjoy hog, I'm not exactly sure it's a good idea to insult someone's appearance for having an opinion. Even if the opinion is wrong

@@gamingreader2440 no but it's funny cuz they're the embodiment of a hog player. They do it to themselves

Maybe having discord works for Zen and whoever zen has his harmony orb on. That way the whole team can't take advantage and now Zen has to remember to use harmony orb not just for healing but for utility too. Just a thought.

agree. 25% for zen maybe 5-15% for teammates

They could keep his damage numbers the same but change around how much of that damage is because of discord. Discord is nerfed but zen as an character isn't affected. They could trade it out for a low percent (10-15%) and maybe compensate by making healing worse for the target by a small amount (5-10%) or giving him a movement ability (they won't but a man can dream).

​@Michael I think this makes him way too weak, that's a huge jump from 5 players doing increased damage, to just one or two.

​@vini This is more along the lines of what I'm thinking. Zen doesn't need a nerf though, I think a restructuring would be best. Either increase his fire rate/damage, or buff his individual damage output for discord, to compensate for the lower discord bonus for teammates. Either of these I'd be cool with.

Hog was born like any other hero and worked hard to get where he is, why does everyone think they can just get heals and one shot kills handed to them without putting in the effort. Mr. Hog has made Junkertown the envy of all other trash heaps around the world. This is just cancel culture trying to ruin a self made hog.

@@Chromatomic hoglivesdontmatter

It’s literally an ice climber player saying “just don’t get grabbed”

Yeah but you can actually bait the hook though. Not saying Roadhog is not strong, but you CAN actually avoid his hook with side-strafing.

How is having an atrocious garbage matchmaking system & battlepass be called striving to be better? Flats just blindly defending the game!

To be fair it’s not Blizzard’s fault. Hog was extremely buffed due to OV 1 double barrier meta. He used to not have an one shot at all but he was struggling back then as the weakest tank. Now that in OV 2 there’s only 1 tank so it’s much easier to get one shot hooks more consistently. They know he’s not healthy for the game and they’re going to rework him in the future

That’s two characters

@@Phoenix_NH Ana, Zen, and Orisa

@@Phoenix_NH let me spell it out for ya Ana - Anti + Sleep Zen - Discord Orisa - Orisa 3 characters

@@Phoenix_NH ana, zen, orisa. I have t been in school awhile, but I think that's still three.

Exactly, the prices haven't changed AT ALL he's just factually incorrect

Where did this man get all those discounts I want some

Honestly if anything they’ve gotten worse Other than the skins, and even then there are still atrocious ones, all you get is some goofy charm that you might never use Like bruh it ain’t better

gaslit himself right before making that tiktok

The skins have gotten a lot better that’s why the prices went up

Since I play Sombra, and she counters hog somewhat well... Does that make me the best player in the game? TOP 10 DPS HERE I COME!

@@evangonzalez7732 no sombra in ow2 is the worst pick

@@evangonzalez7732 She doesn't counter Hog wtf

@@WitchNakime He's probably just hacking him as he tries to hook/heal lmao

@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong For 2 or 3 seconds ? That's not a counter, you're just delaying the inevitable by 1 sec.

No cap I’ve learned sm about the state of the game through flats’ counter points

@@toastiboi7618 hahaha facts somehow him roasting tiktoks turned into knowledge that can level your game play up!

Mmm, idk about that. I feel as if it's less that they're now more knowledgeable and more so that they don't wanna get cooked alive for their idiotic comments.

@@genesisosuna either way that's a good thing though

The actual dictionary definition of meat-riding Also how do you get the wrong form of “your” wrong like that? Like, you used the longer version and got it wrong. At least when it’s the other way around it’s because it’s shorter. You’re going out of your way to be wrong

@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 🤓

@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 🤓 “excuse me sir you’re grammar is wrong”

he only has 700 hp and the ability to heal for 300 hp in 1 second while also taking 50% reduced dmg, he's SO easy to kill

@@Relevart9169 *350 heals and almost always he'll have supports by him

@@FaDoArthGamesPro when did they buff the healing jesus 😭

@@Relevart9169 from ow1 to ow2 it does half his health, 300 for 600hp but ow2 his health went to 700 and healing to 350

@@dazey856 true ow2 moment

Zen is one of my most played characters and I started playing him a lot more recently. Didn't realize how strong discord orb was until I played tank against a good Zen. I got nuked so fast I didn't even have time to shift as Ramattra to save myself. Definitely needs to be changed at some point.

@@GGPoohBah i think in current meta, with tank basically being 2-3 DPS, zen's discord is fine now if they rework tanks and change overall TTK numbers, we might need to bump it down, but with Orisa Hog meta, we need the TTK speed it gives

Even the "number one" Zen player agree that Zen needs to change. The only reason you barely hear about Zen is because of his low pick rate.

@@GGPoohBah I didn't realise either. as soon as i got melted to discord in 2 seconds as Ball, i made it my life's mission to slam on top of zens, kill them over and over and force them to swap. If i don't, i can't do anything. haha Discord is scary.

I love zen, but im currently climbing the ranks and im at gold rn, everyone yells at me at the start of the game

you mean exactly like flats lol

They look like Flats, lol.

That's what I'm saying bro doesn't feel so nice when it happens to them lol

Average Genji main take lmao

Simultaneously?

@@blancange1872 yep, and lived long enough to run from cart to my spawn door

Oh hell no

That damage reduction 😲

​@@blancange1872 ive seen hogs survive more. Its impossible to 1v1 him as anything but hog and orisa. The frequency of his heal is whats killing me as a tank main, everytime i eat all his abilities and get him to half he just heals, against every tank dawg all of them except himself and orisa. Orisa is next and sadly as a sigma main i know hes gonna get nerfed after orisa. I agree with it though sigma is too powerful in his own right.

he's an actual neckbeard too lmao

tru like i play hog from time to time and know im a piece of shit but hes trying to defend these people like they arent

@@saltminer4463 that dude is like 92% facial hair man's a living walking carpet

@@saltminer4463 He is impressively ugly, like god damn.

Man even looks like Hog

Agree. 130 bodyshot along with primary fire sounds good enough for me. It takes a lot of the skill of the character/skill ceiling, but she's a soldier widow hybrid with Baptiste's jump, and Ashe's dynamite than doesn't need to be aimed directly She needs some changes

I honestly think that Solj left click should be the railgun, a slow firing, high impact weapon that acts like a fast projectile. This bootleg soldier just isnt doing it for me, i hate her auto attack now. I also generally think Mercy needs to be fully reworked, her playstyle has always proved to be terrible in lower ranks, or incredibly broken in higher ranks. I would rather her be like the link support in paladins, where she can constantly heal who shes hooked with and boost their and her own speed, which would make Lucio not the only speed boost pick and we wouldnt have these damage number issues.

@@scotttimbrell8632 Turn Mercy into Rei?

I agree with this but from a game design perspective it would be weird. It would be the only gun that doesn't headshot and makes an even bigger overlap with soldier. Essentially railgun becomes a hit-scan soldier rocket. Might still be worth it for the health of the game though

@@Doople I agree with your message, but i want to say that your first point is entirely irrelevant. How...in a game full of everyone being completely unique is a slow firing, hard hitting gun out of place? (And lets pretend that you didnt know that Bastions turret form doesnt headshot either) You telling me that we cant have different rules for people? because thats exactly how this game functions right now. (For example Kiriko ult doesnt allow everyone to gain all the effects, like Zen.)

Yup. You could be headshotting him for days and he just brushes it off like it's nothing.

Only dps character I have won 1v1 vs Hog is Mei and only because both the wall and her ice cube blocks hook+the icicle does a lot of damage

He looks like a hog player to be fair

I get that off supports are design to have low healing on purpose but this idea sounds interesting since his orbs are pretty much set it and forget it.

I ..really like this idea! Actually sounds very fun.

I think we need the old ‘oneshot’ four shot combo of shoot hook shoot melee and i think the melee needs to matter

@@lruddy8820 melee matters i use it all of the time i tho think he needs to deal less damage tho from 6.6 to 6

@@yarn7344 i use it too at this point its a force of habit it doesnt really matter you can still get the oneshot without it it only matters if you miss a bunch of the projectiles, it should be no melee no one shot combo

@@lruddy8820 Nah Roadhogs kit is just straight up the most unfun you can possibly have against a tank. He needs his hook to not be "Scorpion-style" He should use it as a debuff to the enemy, to lock someone down as a brief cripple to stop high mobility characters from running rampart. His heal also needs to affect the team in some way. You look at him and you dont see tank, you see massive dps and thats not a good thing.

Well if it helps no one ever liked playing against or with hog. The reason changes over the years but hog was always awful for the collective fun. Besides OW players pretty much only like playing against Rein and maybe Winston.

So 1 person takes 20% damage for 5 seconds? Eh that doesnt sound amazing. Youll have to buff Zen quite a bit to allow him to actual do more in that case. Honestly i think his Orbs shouldnt be LOS related, If youre using your orb on a flier then it frees up mercy for another pick, it also means you dont need to be in a shit spot to heal people and help him be more consistent. I think his Right click shouldnt be a charge fire type thing, i think it should be a massive orb that deals damage kinda like sig rock, have Zens discord orb be Morias old purple orb thing that prevents damage for a few seconds instead. Just some things i would do personally. A spicy idea would be that everyone on your team gets a small orb that constantly heals as a passive, but the heal is like 5 per second or something and then you can free up an ability slot for him for something else. That would be fun :D

Yes that’s why he said the hero itself isn’t good, but the ability is not healthy for the game, the ability itself has no risk for the reward

​@@dazey856there is a risk because zen is one of the easiest to kill😭

@@ejwennerstrom8299 again not taking about the character but the the ability itself also it’s hard for tanks to kill so los the dps and keep it on the tank ect there are ways to play around it but the ability itself is busted and will more than likely have to be changed in the future

Home finally showered for once and isn't used to his hair not being greased down, typical hog player

Selective one character pseudo anti-heal sound interesting.

or even make ot so that it reduces the damage the enemy does, so you can even counter it via mercy or something

Leave it as it is but reduce damage increase for teammates

True

That _is_ what Flats said. The discord orb is untouchable until Support gets their promised reworks and stabilize their class to make them more enjoyable

@Nicolás Zan it's not a general rework he'd need (like a new support passive) he'd need a total rework. he'd offer almost 0 value. his hitbox (especially head) being so big would make no sense. his lack of movement or escape would make no sense. his ability to get assists would be cut by at least half. he would be unable to duel since the discord is the only way he has any sort of chance of duelling. even his damage output (his big plus as support) would be reduced by the lack of discord. every part of him would basically become obsolete. with discord now he's D maybe C tier pick at all ranks.... so by definition discord isn't that destructive... if it were he'd see more play at high ranks... he doesn't because the risk of playing him isn't quite valuable enough for the reward in the meta

genuinely a cool idea probably worth testing

Too easy to apply. Should just drop some of the %

this is genius i would love to see it implemented honestly

@@drkirbkennethkirby7634 dropping the percent is bad cus zen needs it to duel, should just be easier to break los

Exactly that's why I couldn't believe Flats was agreeing with the guy. Sure discord is now used to make the tanks a little more squishy but the Zen can be killed pretty easily too. All it takes is one flank and the Zen goes back to spawn

They could just replace discord orb with something else, but not mobility. His whole gimmick is that he isn't mobile

@@Grizzy6122 You can't take away his discord without adding mobility. His "gimmick" is that he's a glass cannon, deals damage but dies easily, removing or replacing discord changes that gimmick anyway. If you're going to change something as fundamental to his kit as discord, you need to completely overhaul his whole kit.

@@hona6924 With his regular primary and five orb, he is still a glass cannon without discord. You can replace it with something equally strong but requires more thought than discord, which you just slap either on the tank or the person you are dueling. You can still lean into his identity with a new ability.

@@hona6924 his real "gimmick" is that his character is all about balance that's why their is the discord orb and healing orb. Think of the Ying and Yang for example. A complete overhaul seems strange and doesn't seem like it could work. The only thing that might is to decrease the damage boost of the discord like by 10% and add that 10% to the healing orb. I don't know if that makes sense

'That is probably the most delusional roadhog main' ftfy.

Watching tiktok in general does that. I see lots in RU-vid comments or places like reddit, and its bad enough. But when someone looks up tiktok for me, I just cannot. I skipped more than half of this video, just hearing these people take themselves seriously gives me physical pain.

A lot of people have been suggesting this and it sounds even more annoying to play against then hack, and more boring to use zen. It's a bad idea, stop

​@@jazay591 Here's the thing. Hack made most characters non characters. This discord rework, while I agree isn't the best idea, still let's you play the game. A 15% decrease, while big, still let's you influence the game, and a mercy damage boost still gives a greater boost against everyone except Zen, who it just balances out against.

@@jazay591 still better then the discord we have now. Don’t mind it as it is another option to limit sojourn.

Not a huge fan of that tbh. Remember that ultimates are a thing in this game, so having a character that can just say "your ult does 25/50/whatever percent less damage" with no cooldown or aim required would be disastrous unless you're spending multiple ultimates to round it out and force zen to pick which one he has to break.

Discord is already really good, this is not a good idea.

@@kevingriffith6011 Understandable, his ultimate achieves the same goal anyway

Neck beard, talks down to people seems to be a bit egotistical. Yep hog player 😅

Actually smart put it on a damage boosted, sojourn. This will prevent one shots.

They tried that with Moira for the 2nd beta, but it proved too strong on her. Who knows though, maybe it would work better on Zen

sojourn "nerfs" be like

Probably not the radius as that would make team fights broken as the other side is basically taking 10% more damage. Possibly a combination of both positive and negative effects, 10% damage taken increase, movement buff to prevent headshots, and Possibly increased knockback taken. I have no idea what I'm talking about, being extremely new at the game, a casual, and a zen main, but I feel the essence of discord may be pros versus cons