No surprise. In iraq, the m4 struggles to hit guys hiding behind any type of cover. Brick and cinder block walls, etc. Meanwhile the ak can spray and pray and punch through things and still hit you
5.56 needs to be m855, without it it's super weak. I was insanely disappointed. And thank you for your service! Which branch did you serve in? Peacetime Marine Sgt right here.
pretty simple - throw out the .308 take 2 rifles exactly the same except for the cartridge the 5.56 will make shots out to 500 yards repeatedly. the 7.62 will not. the 7.62 will travel straight ( er ) through walls, doors and vegetation without diversion. the 5.56 will not. the 7.62 is a better round for close engagement in urban or wooded environments the 5.56 is a better round for consistent intermediate range accuracy the give and take is - you can carry more 5.56 than 7.62
My man. I’ve taken down caribou at 615 yards with ar47 and FMJ. Shooting up a mountain with 15-20 mph crosswind. Yes, I had to walk in rounds but at that range, rounds are subsonic and caribou were oblivious to what was coming closer to hitting them.
Good comparison, a bit more fair than the first test. While you seemed disappointed in the 5.56, I wouldn't be really. The temporary wound channel is impressive, and you don't have much overpenetration in a realistic shot, that is actually energy efficient. Think of the .308, with the overpenetration you are wasting a huge percentage of energy, while every last bit of that energy is being efficiently dumped by the 5.56. The real test is range, .308 is going to impressive out past 500 yards, both 5.56 and 7.62x39 not so much. Here is something to consider about the .223 / 5.56, It's actually a popular rifle used by the Inuit people in Alaska, hunting moose and caribou, yes you heard that correctly. They just simply aim well and typically take headshots. While you aren't going to shoot through the shoulder bone on a moose with fmj .223, it is a efficient round when used correctly. Flat shooting, decent range, and light, popular, widely available and often cheap. If you really got to shoot out a engine block or knock down a concrete wall though, 7.62 is hard to beat, x39 or x51, but like everything there is a trade off, no perfect round.
The inuit also take moose with .22lr but that doesn't mean I'd want to use it for defense. One does not make well placed head shots in a life or death sitiation.
@@-Zevin- Not according to our dissapointed troops. It's one thing for a military to tactically waste the enemy's medical resources since a wounded enemy take more assets off the front lines than dead one. But here in the civillian world, I'll take the proven track record of the most widely preferred round in the world. Plus, I hike in bear country. Alaskan guides won't touch a 5.56 for grizzly defense, but don't hesitate to bring a 7.62. That's all I need to know.
@@ObamaoZedong If you think 5.56 is insufficient for human beings you have no idea what you are talking about. Especially when you are talking about defensive at close range where the hydrostatic shock caused by the high velocity is in effect. 5.56 with hydrostatic shock does more damage than .45 ACP in temporary wound cavity and yaw. Do you think .45 ACP is insufficient for self defense? The only place .223 / 5.56 struggles is at long range 500+ yards as the velocity lowers enough that the rounds tend to ice pick and not tumble or cause hydrostatic shock. With the extreme velocity of 5.56 it actually does similar soft tissue damage as 7.62 NATO or 7.62x39, only lacking in penetration compared to both because of the lower grain bullet. This lesser penetration is a non issue on humans, but can have more of a effect on very large bone on large game. Even so there is videos right here on RU-vid of people hunting Wildebeest at 300+ yards with 1 shot kills with .223.
@@-Zevin- 1st off I agree with you. The issues the military was having in the middle east with 556 was kinda specific to the area/combatants. A lot of engagements went beyond 300yds and the enemy had a body fat percentage of 4% while loaded up on drugs. These 2 factors made the 556 less effective. The 55gr round unless it hit an artery was just punching little holds vs tumbling having little to no impact on drugged up skinny combatants
With all my respect for the time and effort you put on the two videos, you seem very disappointed with the 5.56 performance but that is what it actually is. You can’t compare the green tip to a standard 7.62. With both in FMJ the 7.62 is just more powerful can’t even compare.
Good work, appreciate the effort. Have an AR, lot's of fun plinking and varmint clearing. My SHTF go to is a heavy barrel 16" FNAR semi auto. Produces MOA at 300 yards no problem. One question though, grunt or doggie?
this means 7.62*39 is a good round but you should have used G3 rifle for 7.62*51 instead of bolt rifle because that would have made the comparison more fair
Nice content for a new channel. If you dont mind, I have a few minor suggestions: the title shouldn't be in all-caps, its harder to read and take up more space. Also, you should consider fill in the Description section of the video, it helps with the algorithm and RU-vid more likely to show your videos to viewers. Cheer!
The green tips were designed to overcome all weaknesses of 55 grand grain so too bad in 2022 the only thing I can afford to stack is 7.62 even with the ammo band! Too bad the feds are buying up all the 62 grain green tips like a bunch of cartel members
wow im surprised the green tips couldn't go through 800 paper plates the green tip is a good round. That being said its never gonna be as powerful as the 7.62x39 fmj. Just imagine if we could still get mild steel core 7.62x39 ammo!! I don't get why you can get mild steel core for the 5.56 but not the 7.62. But that 308 wow freaking smoked that concrete block lol cool video brother
Awesome that pmx 55 grain sucks it’s way under powered not real 5.56 the round didn’t even fragment from a 17 inch barrel m193 55 grain should fragment at 2500-2600 FPS. Do you have any other brands of m193 I’d be curious to see if it fragments the projectile
Yeah I was very disappointed. Every store i go to its either sold out or they only have this one. I haven't been able to find other m193. I do have federal m855 but that is way more powerful to m193. I have some steel cased tulammo .223 I do plan on making a video compsring that to the pmc xtac i used on this vs federal m855
When shit hits the fan, I trust my life with my SCAR 17 over AR 15. I kid you not, one shot with a SCAR to a plastic trash bin made it flew in the air 10 feet. Of course it was disfigured.
@@toolsoffreedom407 A .308 AP round will outperform a green tip. They have almost 2x as much energy, 2.5x heavier and use almost 2x as much powder charge.
Don't be to disappointed man the 5.56 in fmj lead round is still effective for hunting or if the shit hits the fan situation. On the other hand though the gReem tip was a military round made to penetrate up to a 1/4 of an inch of steel
55.6 and 7.62 have almost the same ballistics, 7.62 is a heavier round making it stronger. The 308 is faster making it dump it's velocity slower and causing more damage
for this to be close to a fair/accurate test it seems like you would need to use an ar10 rather than the bolt action. I'd sub if you could do a more accurate retest on these calibers!
How did the recoils feel ? Do you feel you could have shot more bullets while still maintaining accuracy with one gun over the other ? Although I think the gun with the silencer would have less recoil and less power pushing the bullet which is gives it an advantage and an disadvantage . By going back in video watching you shoot each gun there doesn't appear to be any difference in recoil between the 7.62 and 5.56 but you could just handle recoil better than others . Their is a big recoil difference in you shooting the 308 though .
As far as recoil goes 308 > x39 > 556 if you are running in similar platforms, OP was not ie. Bolt action will always have more recoil than a semi auto based on design. The offset if you will is bolt actions are more accurate and in some cases by a lot. But... Recoil doesn't always= staying on target. Example: a suppressed short barrel Galil Ace in 556 is gassy as fuck(KNS adj piston can fix the issue). A Tavor 7 unsuppressed has an excellent recoil control. Without the KNS adj piston in the ACE I can shoot the Tavor7 faster and stay on target by a very small margin. Side note: most all suppressors increases velocity, not decrease.
That is the purpose, having different barrel lengths. These are your "typical lengths" assuming someone doesn't have a battle rifle with 308. Most people have a bolt action, and if not most, a really good amount. These barrel lengths showcase what the round can do at the barrel length they're best suited for. A suppressor in my opinion has no effect on terminal ballistic energy. I still have to try different 5.56 variants, but in this case it was super weak, nothing compared to green tip. It might also be the manufacturer as PMC x tac is only plinking ammo.
i love seeing the ballistics gel.you no i noticed that these are some of the main military calibers. i love the military so that info is usefull! also im assuming yall are adults. i want to get into shooting what shall i shoot first or what cal. im 12 also.
Only shoot with adult supervision. Try and talk to your parents about giving you proper training. First focus on marksmanship at small ranges. 22 LR is the best caliber to start, and then move up from there. I've taken 8 year old children to shoot as I supervise and teach and they love it. Always do it with supervision and proper training and personal protection equipment. Enjoy!
@@toolsoffreedom407 oh ya.i shot a bb pistol yesterday at my grandfathers hous i made a joke a bout a 22lr he said "next time i go to florida ill get you one'' so ya.i aslo design guns.
The 5,56 is pathetic even the green tip. The 7,62x39 with the PS43 bullet is much better in penetration. In my unit when i was serving in polish army we got out beloved akms rifles replaced by beryl 5.56 pipsquekes and after playing with our new "toys" for the first time on the range after sighting in we were shock to see how pathetic it was at penetration stuff. Tumbled and fragmented on everything while our old akms would just punch it in one piece. And no the 5.56 is not better "in the meat". Some older guys who were in iraq had to sometimes shoot aggresive dogs on patrol, there were an awfull lot o them in iraq and they noted that beryl was absolut shit for it. They used a captured iraqi akm because it was more humane, and no 7.62x51 or 54r was availible besides machine guns. The 5.56 rounds Tumbled and made some damage, much more than a pistol but the 7.62x39 ripped chunks of flesh out the exit. Long story short - soldiers lost the reapect of their Beryl service rifle. And they used issued military ammo from Mesko not some weak civi junk like pmc.
What a good story, thank you for sharing! I agree and disagree. There's pros and cons to each round. The 5.56 has a greater effective range. I'm in the United States Marine Corps, and it's the only round we use for our service rifles either in the m16a4 or m4. The accuracy and effective range on the 5.56 is much greater than what a 7.62x39 will ever be. And yes it is considerably weaker for penetrating, but it makes up for it with its lower recoil in my opinion. We train with different drills, and all of are either two or three shots rapid shots on different parts of "the body". Being able to put rapid shots at 100 yards is very effective. 2 shots on a bad guy would be very effective. Also makes for a lighter combat load. There's pros and cons. I personally enjoy shooting an AK way more. Both rounds definitely have their flaws, that's why the Military is moving towards the 6.8 very soon.
short barrel 556 with suppressor vs 22" barrel 308. David vs Goliath lol. An interesting comparison would be to compare the 556 SBR vs the 556 from last video.....how many plates did each one go thru etc?
So in other words: both of your tests failed to compare... "wish I had the block behind the first one for 308 etc... shooting same material with different cals repeatedly regardless if the structure was weakened... i hate to break it to you young buck but this and the previous test is just a happy go lucky form of entertainment. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it but it's like cruise flying f18 superhornet in a mission where long range bomber would send a smart bomb in
Though I'd love to, I don't have access to a private range. Ranges here where have 200 yards won't let me film. So I have to use BLM land and roads are too close, so I'd be shooting over the road, which is not allowed.
@@toolsoffreedom407 if you ever take a vacation, I recommend Arizona, phoenix are. You can shoot on state land when we don't have fire restrictions. Plenty of natural back stops and wide open space
when you do tests, do the same thing over and over with different rounds, your kinda switching stuff around and messing up all the controls of the experiment/test
I think you could really take a note from paul harrels book and end with a solid conclusion, even if you add "you be the judge". You have a chronograph set up, and you use it on all 3 rounds, but then do not do a breakdown/comparison at the end. You have put in all this effort doing science but dont end with a solid recitation of your findings. It would really improve your video to do so.
I do have 300 blackout, that would be an interesting addition. But I only have it in a pistol configuration. Finding a 5.45 rifle or upper would be more difficult. I wish I had an infinite budget lol.
Got a yellow block got a block you cant see in it and a crystal clear block and you go with yellow block/useless block/ and at the end the clear block🤣😂 why not got crystal clear/yellow and the useless block at the end we cant even compare because we cant see in the block😅
I guess I don't understand why, if you are going to go to all this trouble to make the video, why you wouldn't use new clear gel so we can see the actual result. When you see you can't see through the block or when you can't tell one cartridge from the other, guess what? TIME TO USE A NEW BLOCK!
I stopped watching when I saw the different size barrels. You cannot compare with different size barrels because you're going to get different results even with the same round. Therefore this video was pointless
