Ford Raptor R vs Toyota Tundra TRD Pro Showdown: Is the Raptor Really Worth $40K More? 

I'd like to see the f-150 Tremor put up against the TRD pro.

This is what happens when trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. You then need commensurately bigger tires, more ground clearance to make up for the additional weight and size. Meanwhile shorter wheelbase (and lighter) off road vehicles like the Wrangler, 4Runner, X-terra tackle the same obstacles without risking their underbellies.

Tundra Pro needs bigger tires, more clearance and different front bumper.

It's sad. Toyota nailed the new sequoia, the new Tacoma, and the new land cruiser... but man, I struggle to like that tundra...

Finally trails are back....more trails less ranch, love this one.

I had a first gen, SUPERCHARGED Raptor with just over 460,000 km (287,500 miles) and it was still running just fine when I sold it. That truck was used!!!! It towed, hauled, went off-road on some very technical trails and often made its own trails, was used as a ranch work truck, and any time I found a prairie trail it was driven as fast & hard as the trail would allow. It spent a fair amount of time (for a vehicle) in the air!! Haha. The current Raptors, especially with just (just, haha) the HO 3.5 TT are showing they can rack up the miles as well. The Tundra is showing first year growing pains. I suspect it’s only as reliable as the Raptor, not better. Sorry Toyota fans,,, get a Tundra 5.7 for huge longevity.

I have a 2019 Tundra TRD Pro and have been on a number of trails in Arkansas Ozarks. These trails are often very tight, overgrown with foliage and difficult to navigate in a full size truck. Raptors are very popular here but, I have yet to see one on any off-road venture. I see more Jeeps and Tacoma's than anything else. Is the Raptor worth $40K more than the Tundra? - I think not. The real question should be: are either of these vehicles worth $70-110K? For me, the answer is a hard NO!

$50k difference here in Canada. That's a truckloat of upgrades. This is actually worse than comparing a base Corolla to the best Mustang.

Thank you for filming in 4k. Great video 👍

While I do love all the members of the channel. This duo is unmatched for me, love watching these two together!

I am a Toyota fan (I own 3) but throughly disappointed in what Toyota did (or did not do) with the new generation Tundra.

I really wish the Silverado ZR2 had stuck around for a little longer and more was done with it. It would've been a perfect addition to this review

It's funny how Roman just drives and Andre says every single thing he is doing. 😂

love this vid, i feel like its been awhile since u guys compared some stuff on a mtn

The best and most informative channel for truck and any vehicles.

Based on what I'm hearing about the specs and price of the Tundra TRD Pro, I think it would be awesome if you could pit it against the Silverado ZR2.

*Isn't the point of the Raptor for higher speeds desert racing?* I never figured it's advantage was for slower 4x4 trails. So anything it does good on the trails and rock climbing is a bonus.

Glad to finally hear the reliability of the Raptor. No its not a Toyota level of reliability but it is a damn reliable truck...over built everywhere. 140,000 miles and no issues for a gen 2. But this is before these absolute ABSURD prices... no way is EITHER worth the cost!

You guys are awesome. Love the banter between the two 😊

rock sliders would’ve solved those rocks. I also think those side steps on the raptor would’ve held up just fine. If you can afford the raptor I assume you could get some rock sliders and maybe a little more armor underneath. No need to mess with ride height or tires. You’re always going to have some kind of damage when off-roading. It’s inevitable

The other number, besides MPG, that you should look at is Miles per Dollar. Premium vs Regular. That will make a big difference, too. It looks like about $9 more for the Raptor in the 74 miles.

they lost me at "we have the 2014 Raptor that lasted 55K miles" lol

Never put less than premium in SD 6.2L (not Tremor). Started using it for towing, but mileage is better and engine runs great on premium. I've gotten 550 highway miles from my 34 gal tank averaging 16.17mpg with room to spare another 30+ miles (not towing). And still get much better milage when towing 7k than my friend's SD diesel (tho he is pulling 10k).

18:58 I like how Andre is telling Roman what the Tundra needs to make it a better offroader. Then, Roman proceeds to talk about towing ability like it has any relevancy to what they were talking about or the topic of the video. Time to up your dosage on your meds Roman because the current prescription is not cutting it.

The new Tacoma TRD Pro & Trailhunter will rock out this trail easily!

I loved seeing the 1st Gen Tundra pulling a camper/trailer. Within the first 3 mins of the video! Those 1st Gens never die. They’re all over the place! Look for them, and you’ll probably see one daily.

Throughly enjoyed the video! Thank you very much.

I’d think we need to let the three big dually’s try there luck on an off road course like this. Would be interesting

Ford owns the trucking world give me the Ford !!!

Really amusing video, specially liked the parts where trucks meet their limit. Maybe you guys should have a pile of cash on hand to put under the trucks to cushion them. Probably would be cheaper in the long run.

Nice trucks man...The tall front ends look really cool..must be tough trying to see over that... Looks awesome thou.

Andrei said recently, 'What is it about this truck?', in reference to the TUNDRA TRD PRO. I'm going to answer that. It's in need of taller tires. I have a question of my own. Why do either of you know why Ford is the king of trucks? They will forever bring them to their maximum development. They'll additionally go to the maximum distance with that development. It's what Ray Liotta said when he played with Kevin Costner in the movie called Field Of Dreams. If you build it, he will come. Who will come? His movie father, who was played by Dwier Brown. Of all the baseball movies, this one is my absolute favorite.

I'm really a fan of Toyota because they do engineer their vehicles more for longevity than most other auto companies and I prefer to spend my hard earned money on something built for life. That being said, i really think the current tacomas, the current tundras, and the current sequoias are a big miss for Toyota and I wouldn't buy any of them. The upcoming tacoma looks like a return to form so far and after seeing how good the new Land cruiser looks, I have high hopes for thw next 4runner.

In the end, whether the Raptor is worth the extra $40K depends on your individual preferences and priorities. If you're seeking top-tier performance, advanced features, and brand recognition, the Raptor R might be the right choice. However, if you're looking for a capable off-road truck with a more budget-friendly option, the Tundra TRD Pro could be a great fit. Test-driving both models and considering your specific needs will help you make an informed decision.

For 40k more I sure do hope the Raptor R gives me a lot more goodies especially compared to the TRD Pro that is aimed at the Tremor. I do have to say I wished Toyota did a little more with the Tundra like more axle clearance, different bumper and bigger tires. Especially seeing how well they did on the Tacoma TRD Pro but it makes sense cos they sell a lot more Tacomas than Tundras

Not sure why full size trucks, Toyota TRD PRO, don't offer the tires to tackle the big stuff. At least 35's. 20MPG for the Tundra! Nice. Great Video guys...

Why not go with a regular raptor, which is a better side by side comparison

Can we see how the Tundra compares if it has enough stuff, like bigger wheels, to match the price of the Raptor?

I am enjoy the video. Thank you guys.

This video shows why I drive the most capable off road truck. The AEV Prospector power wagon yes from the Ram dealership on 37's. Since 1934 Dodge 4x4

I never understood comparing two trucks without using the same brand and type of tires, even if they are different sizes.

Okay, so I'm sure it's been commented before, but you guys need to redo this video with identically sized tires. 37" tires do not cost $40K. Also, it would be interesting to see what that size tire would do to the Tundras MPG. Curious if 37's would fit under the tundra without modifications. I imagine that in this video's application with the same tires/ground clearance, the TRD would be as capable as the raptor. I've seen other videos of Toyotas "crawl control " and it looks pretty convincing.

Are you ever going to try Storm Mountain, I have been up it in my stock 85 GMC? This trail changes every year, sometimes 2 to 4 times a year depending upon weather.

Always go with 91 or higher in modern vehicles. The cost to benefit ratio is worth a few extra bucks.

Regular raptor would perform 100% same as the R in these scenarios and squish the price difference… and be more fuel efficient

I’ve seen people put the new Sequoia front end on the new Tundra, which looks much better. Tundra needs an update asap.

Another great vid(where’s Tommy?), but Andre, you’ve really gotta stop draggin’ your rear end!! 😂

Larry Chen converted a tundra to a raptor and it cost over 50,000. With that, 40,000 more is a good deal.

Good video. I think the only real question is how important is either vehicle to their respective companies? How important is Tundra to Toyota? Not very. It's a regional vehicle that is largely an afterthought. How important is F-150 to Ford? Is any company's success more tied to one vehicle than Ford to F-150? Ford needs some version of the F-150 to be tops at every level of the truck world. So they are willing to build the most extreme version of their truck. Hence the Raptor, and then the Raptor R. Toyota, I think, is selling either a starting point to modify, or an image. You can build a Raptor further, but the idea is that it's pretty much good to go from the factory. It should also be pointed out that this test was pretty strongly tilted to the Raptor 's strengths (rock crawling). Would the difference be as big desert running? I think the Raptor still wins, but it would be... closer. The Raptor is the halo vehicle, the Tundra isn't. The only chance for Tundra to win is for it to be a race with no refueling allowed. As you say, a "fun" video, not a serious comparison. Cheers.

I own a new tundra. Not nearly enough ground clearance for serious off-roading. Great truck though, love mine. Would love to see you put the TRD lift kit on it.

This trail is a great example of WHY Ford and otehr 4x4 off-roader makers MUST change over to high-hub wheels (i.e. similar to what the H1 Hummer Alpha and Militray Humvee trucks use) for driving the tires up and over everything! Get that transfer case and all wheel sub-structure OUT OF THE WAY of the ground! With a High-Hub wheel and drive-train design, you could get 16 to 24 inches of ground clearance! Add in telescoping tube-within-a-tube Fox Active Suspension Shocks and total clearance could be a FULL METRE or more (36 inches+ !!!). V

Honestly, I don't think I would get either one. For the money would opt for the Tremor F-150, Ram Rebel, or Trailboss.

Remember folks, a stock Trailboss did the Razor Rocks without scraping.

Maybe I missed it, but if it was 40 miles to the trailhead (and presumably the same distance back), how did the miles driven end up under 80 for the MPG test?

Just wondering. When you guys off roading, are you guys doing a 4High or 4Low? Thanks.

Wonder how the previous gen TRD Pro would do against this new one.

A Tacoma would be better off-road than either of these since it actually fits on most trails and has much better approach, break over and departure angles.

Surprised how bad the TRD was off road, how do they not have at least 35's on this stock. Don't really matter I guess I can't afford either one.

I love these off road challenge videos! Keep up the good work and hopefully this like and comment will help keep the bills paid!

Tundras like the Tacomas are made to be modified. Easily, not always. The front and rear bumpers require a decent amount of cutting to fit aftermarket steel bumpers but its worth it. 35s, 3" lift, steel bumpers and that Tundra could have done all the obstacles touching little. That said neither is meant for rock crawling and both will get damaged (even if modified) if they are used to rock crawl on a regular basis. Taco, 4Runner and now the new Land Cruiser would be much better crawlers. A mod'd LC will be fun to watch the rocks.

Since I haul more than rock crawl etc., I opted for the F-250 Tremor. I get a lot of smiles per gallon. I still want a V8 Raptor… maybe that’ll be my next truck in a few years.

That’s a tough long term reliability proposition… supercharged high horsepower problems or hybrid problems? 4:10

Rock rash. I like the muti view cameras, not a fan of the over complicated 4X4 systems that use the breaks as ELSD get on sand and welcome to the smoke show.

In washington state gas is $5.21 a gallon. Great video

Tundra….Has a face only a mother, I mean bunch of Toyota Fan boys could love.

Would prefer to see tundra vs ford Tremor.

My 4runner and Camry both underestimate gas mileage. I have calculated it numerous times (on both) and the computer is lower by 0.5 to 0.8 mpg. My previous cars always overestimated the mpg...

91 octane fuel cost is not a big deal compared to the out-the-door dealer price tag. I was told a long time ago by high-performance vehicle and boat owners,' You want to ride like a sport you have to pay like a sport' Some things never change.😅

In my humble opinion, the peace of mind that the raptor gave you while off routing is a more significant thing than you gave it credit for

The answer is yes, adding long travel suspension, gearing, front locker, 37s, +300hp to a Tundra will cost more than 40k without a warranty. If you can get the raptor for MSRP, its a bargain.

That Raptor is a beast! Screams the ultimate american truck😍

Great video

Slap some larger tires and a lift kit and I’ll take the TRD Tundra all day!!! And some improved skid plates. Nice job guys!

Did not seem like anyone was comfortable driving the Tundra. All these drive modes that these trucks come with. Power Wagon has one drive mode, CONQUER.

Would like to see the tundra on 37s vs the raptor

7:15 I don't think I ever see you guys air-down when off-road, that would help going over the challenging terrain.

That Tundra is really cool, just needs clearance and at least 35's. Toyota should really offer 35s on the Pro!!!

Seeing the raptor R struggle on the rocks reminds me the Nissan Titan climbed it without a headache. Had smaller tires and not as aggressive too😂

4:10 The Raptor R is a badass truck. But let's be honest here. 55k miles for a Toyota truck is the like the break in period.

Here’s a great video series idea. Buy an old raptor to test how well they run after 100k miles

Sadly, Toyota discontinued the Tundra after the 2021 model year. RIP Tundra 😢

1st, great video as always. 2nd, I don't think anyone can talk about Toyota's reliability seeing how this is a all new Toyota, the old Toyota's with the 4.7 or 5.7 then absolutely they can talk because those things proved themselves over & over.

Both have beautiful designs and body the different type of engine...

Don’t go!! Proceeds to go. 🤦‍♂️ nice one Roman

I can't believe that Tundra didn't burst into flames. That plastic fuel line recall is no joke. Yet blind Toyota fan boys will say it's not a big deal but if it was any other manufacturer they would say quality issues. Classic blind Toyota people don't see what's actually happening. Look at those terrible panel gaps. It's a piece of junk.

If you pay $70k+ for a Tundra or $110,000k+ for a Raptor but you cannot pay your credit card statement in full each month, and or you take them four-wheeling, it's not the trucks that should be evaluated, it's your inability to make wise decisions that should be scrutinized.

Bigger tires and clean approach and departure angles wins out off road every time. The Tacoma made it very clear @9:17 why the "viper" cut on 4Runners is so important.

You mention the Tundra TRD Pro and Raptor R are more for higher speed off roading. How about a comparison on that please?

It is so amazing how 4WD trucks just keep getting lower and lower with less ground clearance. Cars from a few decades ago have more ground clearance than 4WD trucks today. Fuel economy standards and emission requirements have taken a lot of fun out of our vehicles here in the U.S.

You also have one company that advertises their trucks as trd's. They aren't the only ones though since FCA has multiple cars listed as scat pack's. I'm not the brightest bulb in the house, but I am pretty sure I could have come up with some better trim names than trd's and scat packs.

Love the video. How an 80k truck supposedly ready to off-road and still needs probably 10k or more of upgrades to actually do the job. 😅 I'll stick with my 2001 tj, or my f250. Yeah I'm not as comfortable but I'm paying a tenth of the cash and I have hundreds of dollars a month that I can dump into my old 4x4's😅 with no car payment 😅

I don't know why, but the Tundra sounds like an old Pirate ship that has been out in the sea for 20 years. So much creaking and moaning it's ridiculous.

The Raptor is ALWAYS worth it ;)

There is absolutely NO DOUBT that Roman LOVES his Raptors!

Good video, that being said, the Raptor turns more heads than a top of the line Toyota, but it’s a personal preference.

You can’t say that you’ve had a raptor for a really long time unless you’ve had it for 300,000 miles

With the 40k price difference you could make the tundra far better than the raptor off road. Just with bolt ons.

So which one would win in the longevity and reliability test?

TRD Pro can be compared to the regular Raptor or Tremor. Raptor R is on another level, comparable to TRX.

If you can afford a Raptor R, you can afford premium fuel.