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Part 16 in our Podcast Series: Sons of the Bloodstone
Theories and analysis of A Song of Ice and Fire using text evidence and quotes from George RR Martin.
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@brucewaite3733 2 года назад

I definitely think a tiger woman is a term for a child of the forest. You guys described the children's appearance that lead me to see how one could think a child of the forest is a cat person

@BenJover 2 года назад

I thought tiger woman just meant she was from Leng though maybe the Lengi are a mix of human and those who sing the song of earth.

@kiritugeorge4684 2 года назад

Hey. I can't remember what channel covered this theory but someone made a video covering how the tiger woman could be a Lengii princess and that the bloodstone emperor married her in efforts to integrate Leng into the empire. Leng itself has a lot of tiger symbolism as well as children of the forest symbolism. And apparently tiger is the opposition to dragon in versions of Yin Yang.

@frankvandorp9732 2 года назад

BTW, about the Tiger Woman that was the bride of the Bloodstone Emperor, have you guys ever heard of Rakshasa? They are a demon-like creature from Hindu and Buddhist mythology that are sometimes depicted as cat-like. It would mean an extra parallel between the Bloodstone Emperor and the Night King, who both are considered to have betrayed humanity by marrying a demon. These two tales could have a common source as a single tale of a king/leader marrying a demon woman. Then the telling of the story became altered because in northern Westeros, the "demons" people are familiar with are the Others, while in Asian-inspired Yi Ti, the "demons" the locals are familiar with are rakshasa-like creatures. So both cultures eventually inserted their own interpretation of the demonic woman into the story.

@jollyroger58 2 года назад

Hi, Order of the Green Hand. I was a big Stannis fan even before I stumbled onto your channel. That's why I love your take on the true King. I had this thought today. When he held Storm's End and was starving alongside his men, the figure we never hear of in that story, Renly, was there as well right?! Now, Renly was very young. Stannis is his older brother. I think Stannis regularly gave up his portion of food to young brother Renly. I think being a dutiful younger brother to Robert goes hand in hand with being a caretaking honorable older brother to Renly. I think if it came down to it, at that time he would have laid his life down to protect Renly. After all he admitted later on that he loved Renly. Now, Renly seems to really despise Stannis, he disrespects him on every turn. He seems to think Stannis a miserable fool because Stannis doesn't partake it the pleasures and comforts of the lordly and princely life. Renly like to have fun and Stannis not so much and so Renly just wants him out of sight out of mind. He forgot what his brother did for him, he doesn't appreciate it. He doesn't remember how bad it really was. His life doesn't have room for pain and suffering. He is an ungrateful little brat. Much love from a loyal subject of king Stannis ♥️

@DAS_k1ishEe 2 года назад

So you are going from an assumption about Renly into full blown conviction of the charackter. What can I say... Welcome to the channel >D

@jollyroger58 2 года назад

@@DAS_k1ishEe speculation 🤷🏼‍♂️

@TheBluntForce420 2 года назад

Thank you for your service.

@Richard_Nickerson 2 года назад

@@DAS_k1ishEe Character*

@karinelemaire6402 Год назад

@@TheBluntForce420 Your Grace... *kneels*

@wizardvrse7338 2 года назад

Very interesting. Although I think the Bloodstone Emperor and his supporters/sons are more likely to have been the progenitors of the Iron Born.

@pyramidion5911 5 месяцев назад

Thats where the whole sea dragon thing comes into play

@Tehinterwebstrolzor 2 года назад

I think you're a ways off on the Roman analogy, if anything the Ghiscari are representative of the Carthaginians or the kingdoms of the ancient levant. Otherwise awesome stuff.

@JohnTorres1987 2 года назад

Definitely aren’t the Romans.

@rebornstillborn 2 года назад

They probably aren't a 1 for 1 representation of anything in the real world. The idea of the "lock-step legions" that enabled Ghis to build an empire sounds like Romans to me.

@aeraya2343 2 года назад

Guys what do you think? George loves archetypes. So is Rhaenyra based on the Amethyst Empress, and Aemond One Eye the Bloodstone emperor? Aemond is any time worse than Aegon II. And by extension Dany is the Amethyst Empress and Young Griff (or Viserys) is the Bloodstone emperor? PS: I can't stand the Andals

@XXcaesar5000 2 года назад

great stuff I love the amount of enthusiasm Mary Ellen expresses with just an AHA!! so glad you guys have continued to share.

@Asafdavidson 2 года назад

Just one thing you said about Daario Naharis love story with Dany doesn't add to the story, well I think he is obviously euron greyjoy and that's add a lot to the story. Beside all the great proof other provide online to this theory I will add mine I believe that in all fake name of character under grrm you could find a hint mostly in form of an anagram to the real character. Like he shows us with Abel. daario naharis is =hard as iron.

@bmirkhanzadeh 2 года назад

Gis is bad for sure but if we go with this argument then Valerya might be the descendants of BS emperor. Valeryan also had slaves and torture them and did human genetic experiment with blood and fire magic. As bad as Gis perhaps!Targerian also has black and red flag!

@matematicarka 2 года назад

checkout the podcast from last week, they talk about Valyria specifically

@bmirkhanzadeh 2 года назад

@@matematicarka I listened to that. I don't think Valerya is good and Gis is bad is the tone that George goes for! George doesn't do good vs bad! They are all grey!

@williamhermann6635 2 года назад

More than likely, they both had the same ancestors from the Great Empire of the Dawn.

@thedoughnutsayshello 2 года назад

There is a tie with insanity in asoiaf. On Leng, those who went into the pyramid came out insane.

@tylerdavis6389 Год назад

Leng is also from Lovecraft

@frankvandorp9732 2 года назад

One thing I wonder, how do you think the cult of R'hllor fits in all this? You drew the parallel between the Ghiscari and the Others due to the Others effectively "enslaving" people, but the cult of R'hllor, which is supposed to be the polar opposite of the Others, also has its main temple maintained exclusively by slaves. And sacrificing screaming people to gain access to powerful dark magic is something the cult of R'hllor does, and which seems to fit the Ghiscari equally well. Also, if Azor Ahai and the Bloodstone Emperor are maybe retellings of the same myth, then it would mean that the Bloodstone Emperor is essentially the messianic figure central to their religion. I always thought that the Great Other and R'hllor (Ice and Fire) are not meant to be seen as some kind of good vs. evil duality, that's just how R'hllor's followers see it. The very name of the god actually seems like a subtle hint by GRRM to Lovecraftian gods, who also have names like "Cthulhu" that are just approximations of their real names, because humans aren't able to ever comprehend or pronounce the actual names of these beings. The name "R'hllor" in ASOIAF is explained in a very similar way by Melisandre. So, in short, could the cult of R'hllor actually originate with the Bloodstone Emperor as well, like the more obscure church of Starry Wisdom?

@alexandergangaware429 2 года назад

Tiger Woman = Old Ones of Leng = Children of the Forest

@redbayly 2 года назад

Red hair is also associated with the Egyptian god Set, the god of chaos, destruction, violence, and sandstorms, who murdered his brother Osiris to usurp the throne. Osiris was later resurrected by his sister-wife Isis, but having died he could only rule as lord of the Underworld. Set was later overthrown by Osiris's son, Horus. Set and Horus engaged in both legal battles and military conflicts to determine who would rule Egypt. In some myths, Set rips out one or both of Horus's eyes which triggers an eclipse (as Horus's eyes are sometimes regarded as manifestations of the sun and moon). Oddly, though, earlier Egyptian myths portray Set as a heroic figure who defended the sun god Ra from the serpent Apep (which I've noticed you guys reference in other videos). The portrayal of Set as a god of evil seemed to have emerged due to his also being a patron god of foreigners; and the Egyptians, having faced numerous conquests by Hyksos, Persians, Kushites, and others, grew increasingly xenophobic and subsequently demonized Set for his connection to non-Egyptians. Anyway, that's my myth and history rant for today.

@countbalerionofhousetatter2624 2 года назад

Really interesting! Not sure about the Seven, but the Ghiscari connexion is an eye-opener. Never thought to tie them w/ the Long Night before. Of course we're talking about the Ghiscari elites here.

@Jennifer-di4nl 2 года назад

This is the best ASOIAF channel but there are ridiculous amounts of commercials...like way more than normal.

@bAmMoD216 2 года назад

I feel like we were on the same wave length today just spent half the morning relistening to Dany's Astipore chapters and all I kept thinking is the Old Ghis is tied to the Long night somehow, the hair color I just added the note in the book about the Bloodstone Emporer earlier too😄. The wine of courage stood out too, not sure if it's shade of the evening, weirwood paste some other thing, but the Unsullied stood out in the chapter too, they act like wights, but also they have no name = making them no one? It made me question Arya and the Kindly Man's chapter about the first gift and the waif, she lies and Arya is expected to find the lie does that mean that the Kindly Man had a lie? And perhaps there is a part of that story that is not right..... circle upon circles, but I agree with you guys Old Ghis rising during the Long night isn't a good thing. Very interesting tie to the 7 too.

@andrewniehoff8612 2 года назад

An interesting theory, but allow me to play devil's advocate and propose alternative theories. The first one actually ties in to your own when you state that The Ghiscari Empire was directly formed by the Bloodstone Emperor and they were connected to the Long Night, but let us suppose a different theory. It states that after the Long Night the Empire of the Dawn was not reformed and all the different peoples went their own way. Now suppose that the Bloodstone Emperor's supporters were one such group and they founded their empire in a land where the people were either less developed, or thrown into chaos by the Long Night. Having established their empire they then continued on the practices of old. My second theory is that they were not directly tied to the Empire of the Dawn at all. From what I know and I admit that I could be wrong, the Long Night hit the Empire of the Dawn. Could the Empire have, inadvertently, shielded the early Ghiscari? If that is the case then they simply weathered the Long Night better than many and took advantage of the fall of the Empire. What do you think?

@pyramidion5911 5 месяцев назад

Cockroaches are hard to kill

@alexandergangaware429 2 года назад

House Graceford, which is of Andal origin, has a veiled woman for their sigil. And their words are "Work her Will" Presumably, followed by "you nameless insect." Smallfolk don't have last names, come to think of it

@frankvandorp9732 2 года назад

When you pointed out the seven graces were colored after the colors of the rainbow, I immediately had to think of the many moments the high septon is often associated with rainbows, due to his crystal crown refracting light and spreading rainbows everywhere. Maybe another link between the faith of the seven and the Ghiscari religions. It would be a nice and unexpected twist by GRRM if the rainbow actually would represent something sinister. Rainbows are almost always associated with light and good things in fiction.

@shanenolan8252 2 года назад

Thanks Dave and Mary Ellen. ( that video was a great ) ghiscari

@DeadRepublic 2 года назад

Do they say anything about Grazdan's wife? My guess is that is where the "sons of the harpy" comes from. Also Tigers have striped patterns in their fur. Red and black hair anyone?

@alexandergangaware429 2 года назад

"When the Harpy and the Dragon are wed, prophecy shall be fulfilled," or whatever the Green Grace said exactly to Dany about her marrying Hizdoo

@conniesuper9892 2 года назад

Why did the Bloodstone Emperor take a Tiger woman as a bride? what genetic/magical benefit would come of this union? Did he pick HER or did she present herself to HIM like the nights queen did to the NW Lord Commander?🤔

@williamhermann6635 2 года назад

More than likely she was either a child of the forest, or the spawn of a human and child of the forest. Either way, he married a warg/skinchanger/greenseer.

@cbob213 2 года назад

Tiger woman sounds like "cat eyes" maybe. So that could mean a CotF

@williamhermann6635 2 года назад

@@cbob213 Personally, i think she was probly from Leng.

@alexandergangaware429 2 года назад

Bloodstone Emperor = Grey King = Nights King = Durran Godsgrief = The Winged Knight. They all married an inhuman bride (Winged Night married a CotF, but she died in childbirth). The only question is if all the legends relate to the same historic figure, or a class/family/heroic archetype with many members (in other words, "how many Azor Ahais were there, exactly?")

@williamhermann6635 2 года назад

@@alexandergangaware429 13 maybe? As in 12 whitewalkers and 1 Night's King?

@alexandergangaware429 2 года назад

Ghiscari are def doing dark arts. Dany sits on an ebony bench while holding court in Mereen, and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it is Shade of the Evening wood

@BenJover 2 года назад

Why?

@robertphillips213 Год назад

Necromancy doesn't only mean controlling dead bodies. Originally, Necromancy was using the spirits of the dead to divine the past, present, and even future, calling on them to manipulate dreams, spy on the living, AND gain secret knowledge from a summoned spirit or sending it off to steal the knowledge of the dead. What the Three Eyed Crow does to Bran such as manipulating dreams, seeking entrance to the dead of their ancient enemy, sending false/true visions to Jojen, ect. is all hallmarks of a Necromancer's MO. Less army of the dead, more manipulation, patience, and secrets. Sound like anyone we know?

@persephone342 9 дней назад

Since they’re being wed to the tress, I don’t necessarily see the white walkers performing Necromancy. The whites aren’t exactly thralls. They didn’t choose to resurrect. The resurrection of Lazarus, for all the mystery and excitement it brought the living, Lazarus was deeply unhappy with being brought back as neither living and r dead, but as a witness to Christ’s power. Only death can save at for life. The cost of bringing Lazarus back, required an equal sacrifice which was Jesus. Jesus could have used some criminal law r horrible person, but what type of sacrifice dice would that be? Killing a guilty man to take Lazarus’s place in Shoel was an unacceptable choice too. Only his life could ult pat for Lazarus. All sacrifices are not created the same.

@persephone342 9 дней назад

Also, the Old Gods are so desperate that they will take the blood of all slain, condemned, afraid, full of broken oaths and promises. Also, many with black hair also have dark auburn due to the bleaching of the sun. As for BR, I wonder if it’s him trying to fix Bran’s butterflies before it’s to late. If neither can come back, then they will be looking for another child prodigy to take over the Weirwood Throne, say Rickon. Bran may not have the strength to live within self after all he’s seen; whereas Buba Stark was just living another day in his perspective nap video game where he’s the Warg King, controlling murders of bats, wolves, bears, cats, unicorn RN’s, wyverns, worms, and even dragons. I wonder what the old words were for, “A Wolfe is Not A Slave”I’m sure Rickon will be able to skin walk others and learn about their experience whilst alive. Shudder…

@eziowayne 2 года назад

This series is great! Keep up the great work y’all!

@eddieharding6788 2 года назад

I have an alternate theory for the Ghiscari origin. I'm assuming during the long night there would have been a lot of people like Crastor, who submitted to the others and gave them sacrifices. Old Ghis definitely sounds like a place full of people like Crastor, so maybe they were able to thrive because they were the only ones that weren't targeted by the others.

@bAmMoD216 2 года назад

And last tinfoil of my day the Myrish lens tube is what was above the hidden note which we assume actually came from Little Finger to Cat, as soon as that thing shows up in Winterfell the craziness starts, and then the crow, Master Aemon had one Jon used on the wall, and that chapter where weirwood "Bran" touches Ghost, but I don't think it's Bran because he immediately states in his next chapter he didn't like being in the dark, but that Jon chapter he said he liked the dark, maybe what ever that Fenrir thing was that escaped the Bran chapter after Ghost got touched was actually what touched Ghost. 🤷‍♀️ those tubes show up randomly but it seemed GRRM spent a lot of time on that item in the box only to say there was a fake bottom and a hidden note

@Richard_Nickerson 2 года назад

I've always interpreted scrying towers as observatories

@rebornstillborn 2 года назад

I love your theories on the Ghiscari, Andal, Faceless Men etc association with death. After thinking about the whole Feast for Crows thing, I think there is a war between great powers that most humans don't know exist and that humanity is their pawns. But even beyond all of those supernatural inhuman powers there is death - the only one whom truly wins the wars being fought are the crows that feed on the dead. My guess is that it's the weirwood network that spawns the caverns below the world, but who knows? Some people are more into the political side of ASoIaF which is great too, but I really dig the mystical, cosmic horror aspect of the story.

@ivanbluecool 2 года назад

Oh yeah perfect timing to watch. Your channel is probably the only one I like seeing that goes into content other channels ignore

@RevealTheStyle 2 года назад

Because it takes not only attention and intelligence to see the story the way they do. It takes boldness, imagination, empathy, sensibility, a bit of a poetic genius maybe. That is what makes this channel so unique, I feel

@ivanbluecool 2 года назад

@@RevealTheStyle yeah and funny enough George has said people who only see Dany and Jon as the main story are basically reading 10 percent of the story. Greenhand duo are looking at the other 90 percent of it all and all the clues left around or just out right said

@RevealTheStyle 2 года назад

@@ivanbluecool agreed. I would be fine if George indeed wants R+L=J…. But even if it would be so, it is *clearly* not worth hundreds of hours of content there is on it. No more than other amazing plot lines

@ivanbluecool 2 года назад

@@RevealTheStyle basically what I try to get others to listen to. The story has much more plots going on and even if this is true despite how many times George gives information that would prove otherwise like when Jon was born plus being older than rob. Like with dorne. Most people ignore how much terror or lies they have in thier country and how many traitors Dany has and even how many plots little finger is in without being known about it. It's a lot of amazing plots that are basically forgetable to people who don't look deeper.

@BenJover 2 года назад

@@ivanbluecool The thing is we can't be sure of the stuff like Robb being older than Jon or vice versa. There's so much time delays and baby swaps and other things going on that it would be weird for someone to be certain one way or the other.

@johngo3715 2 года назад

What if the incoming Long Night is found to have ties to a different continent or country and Danny ends up confronting that threat for the sake of Westeros?

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 года назад

Definitely an interesting idea

@pecotrain7399 2 года назад

Tiger woman could just be the gift to worg like the Starks seem to or Valeryian women do with dragons. The Old Ghis line would be a the line kept alive with the gift. Coupling the two would be referring to couple infantry the dragon worg gene and the tiger worg gene. I havnt thought it through much but 🤷‍♂️

@theoctagonjones 2 года назад

I just had a get scared in the dark moment when y’all started talking about the lovecraft being 😂

@DafyddBrooks 2 года назад

Some of the ancient Egyptians also had red hair like the Ghiscari :)

@DafyddBrooks 2 года назад

I think that was what I was trying to get to when I asked a while go about weather GRRM had put thought or metaphors into the significance of hair colour for his characters in his world based on our real world history. red hair has an interesting history in our ancient world . hope that helps :)

@obviousalias132 Год назад

Funny that you compared defeating Old Ghis to like the fall of the Roman Empire when the Valyrian-Ghiscari wars are drawn from the Punic Wars with Ghis as Carthage and Valyrian as Rome

@RevealTheStyle 2 года назад

Words of gratitude to The Order of the Green Hand 💚 You guys catch the mood of the story, and each your theory is in perfect aesthetic and literal flow of the story itself. So many people, even great ones like In Deep Geek, rationalise the story too much, to the point where the beauty of the story can get lost. Your videos are so inspirational. I feel a bit more alive almost, after binge-watching this channel. So glad you continue being creative 👏🏻

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 года назад

Thank you so much

@Richard_Nickerson 2 года назад

In Deep Geek is overrated af. There are plenty of better channels for both LotR and ASoIaF content, this channel and Preston Jacobs are the best for ASoIaF. Men of the West is far better than In Deep Geek when it comes to LotR. Hello Future Me has good LotR content too. I really don't understand how In Deep Geek blew up so quickly. He's wrong plenty, mostly just recites information you can easily find and read yourself (and still gets stuff wrong anyway)... I think Americans are just entranced by his accent.

@RevealTheStyle 2 года назад

@@Richard_Nickerson agree with your examples. In deep geek is special in its own way. What I meant is to draw an opposite example to the vibe of this channel. I think, for example, that Preston also tends to overrationalize at times. I would rather put this channel closer to Lucifer Means Lightbringer, in terms of how content creators regard the story

@Richard_Nickerson 2 года назад

@@RevealTheStyle Preston has literally discussed this video's EXACT same message in even greater detail... I don't understand what your problem with rationalizing the story is, is that not what you'd say is happening in this video?

@wizardvrse7338 2 года назад

Just another thing. I love your guys’ theories! They can get a bit tinfoil but usually y’all are pretty good. About Dany going to Slaver’s Bay. I forget which interview but GRRM basically admitted that he placed her in Slavers Bay because Asshai was way too far to realistically go on with the story. Other reasons were for the dragons to grow (verbatim he was like “it wouldn’t be much of a war with baby dragons and her having no army) and then also to show her being a ruler in practice rather than just in name. Also when the Long Night happened, Valyria was just starting their Empire. Which means Old Ghis would have been around looong before the Long Night supposedly

@thedoughnutsayshello 2 года назад

Valyria was not immediately after the Long Night. They popped up a good while later.

@wizardvrse7338 2 года назад

@@thedoughnutsayshello it says in the World Book that during the Long Night, Valyria was just beginning. This is of course not concrete dates, however for them to point this out is definitely meaningful.

@jstruss1 2 года назад

Nice Monday surprise - thank you!

@Margatatials 10 месяцев назад

I was curious about the blood-stone emperor because there are no people with Bloodstone coloured eyes like there are of other Empire of the dawn eye colours, marking them out as descendants of them, like the amethyst eyes. But the Giscari having hair the colour of bloodstone works to fill that void

@williamhermann6635 16 дней назад

I think Bloodstone and obsidian (dragonglass) are the same thing. I like the theory that Bloodstone Emperor became obsessed with obsidian after discovering a glass candle (also made of obsidian). Obsidian was said to rain down from the sky during the Doom of Valyria. This makes me believe obsidian could be the strange stone BSE became obsessed with.

@Margatatials 16 дней назад

@@williamhermann6635 ooh good one

@williamhermann6635 16 дней назад

@@Margatatials Id like to take credit for the bloodstone=obsidian but I first heard that link from Gray Area and Quinn when they were doing their Obsidian Nights podcast together. Seen a reddit theory that flat out just referred to Bloodstone Emperor as Obsidian Emperor lol

@Margatatials 16 дней назад

@@williamhermann6635 hmm, the next uestion would then become did he invent the glass candles or merely discover them? and if the latter who did invent them?

@williamhermann6635 16 дней назад

@@Margatatials Well, children of the forest are said to work obsidian so my guess would be they showed it to him.

@jessejohnson8365 2 года назад

I started going through dance again and I had a pretty mind blowing moment that seems so weird that I never took what was being said as what was actually happening until the other day. So Danny is constantly talking about the sons of the Harpy sending shadows to kill her freedmen and soldiers which makes so much sense why they never catch anyone find anyone hurt that wasnt a target and it's because they are actually sending shadow babies like Melisandre did to kill these people. Then what do the shavepates do they wear mask like shadow binders would but they do it to protect themselves by not allowing anyone to know who they are. Dario tells Danny she is fighting a shadow war trying to stop shadows when she needs to kill those who are casting the shadows Melisandre chapter is right around this point as well which makes me think they are using shadow baby assassin hence why know one can ever find a culprit. Also the Grace's spend 1 year in the pleasure gardens likely they could be stealing people fires and making lots of shadow babies. Being that the green grace has to be the harpy. I also find it interesting that the Yunkish messengers that are trying to talk volantis to join them tell lies about Danny that sounds very similar to Nights Queen she cold as ice and enthralls everyone she takes as a lover and takes there souls between nights queen and mad danell loathston every single thing said of those two get said about Danny to turn people against her

@damianblackwell8646 Год назад

Great video btw🎉

@girlnettles 2 года назад

I just love you two ♥

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 года назад

thank you !! same to you !

@Ivorysky00 2 года назад

New subscriber here. Love your channel so far, you have some great content. however there is a ridiculous amount of ads on your channel! Like it almost makes watching your channel unenjoyable. I don't mind an ad here and there but I've literally never seen a RU-vid channel that has so many ads

@eoghanclark165 3 месяца назад

Okay, so i gotta throw in my Tiger Woman two cents here. In Volantis, we learn of the Elephant faction. They are peaceful, and we even hear a tale of love between Vogarro and the Widow of the Waterfront. The Tiger faction however, are known for violence and warmongering. These two opposing factions can be simplified down to Peace and War, or in other words, Love and Duty. A major theme in ASoIaF is that of "Love is the Death of Duty". And vice-versa. When Aegon the Conqueror arrived in Westeros, he had two sister-wives with him. Visenya and Rhaenys. The first he married out of duty, the second out of love. Rhaenys (love) died when shot down by a red dornish bolt, yet from her came the lineage of Targaryen (dragon) rule in Westeros, and Aegon was left with his wife of duty. Moon is wife of Sun, it is known. Most everyone at this point knows the theory of a red comet destroying the second moon and bringing dragons to the world. This mirrors Rhaenys being struck by the scorpion bolt. It also mirrors Nyssa Nyssa being stabbed by Azor Ahai, the Bloodstone Emperor killing the Amethyst Empress... and how love must die for duty. The Bloodstone Emperor/Azor Ahai is our favourite ghostly red-eyed albino whose family of eye-shade titles leaders are Daenarys' forebears along with potentially all Valyrian's. Valyria is a culture we know where a sister and wife were often one and the same. Meaning the Bloodstone Emperor had two sister-wives all along; Love and Duty. Nyssa Nyssa and the Tiger. The Sun and his two Moons. Beyond Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys, we even see this pattern appear elsewhere f9e fuether evidence: Robert - hero, sun. Stannis - ice, duty, tiger. Renly - fire, love, elephant. Rhaegar - hero, sun. Viserys - ice, duty, tiger. Daenarys - fire, love, elephant. Tyrion - hero, sun. Cersei - ice, duty, tiger. Jaime - fire, love, elephant. So yeah, it's the three heads of the dragon, and the Tiger represents duty. This makes Jon Snow a Tiger embodiment, just as Daenarys is an Elephant embodiment. The real question for the end game now, is who is the Sun.

@mpalfadel2008 2 года назад

The great empire of the Dawn….

@D.Records 2 года назад

Love when you guys talk about topics that I have little knowledge about, makes me feel like I'm taking a new class in greenhand school lol

@joshuaulrich3531 Месяц назад

Red hair is actually a deep orange and if the ghiscari have a mix of that and black hair…. Could be from whatever a “tiger woman” is…

@cbob213 2 года назад

Great topic. Hope to hear more on it one day.

@nahkunda714 2 года назад

amazing!

@damianblackwell8646 Год назад

I dont know if anybody said anything yet or if u recently found out but theres a strong correlation between tigers and the isle of Leng just south of Yi Ti which doesnt make it 100% but seems to imply that the bloodstone emperor marrried a woman from Leng which was subjugated by YI Ti like china and Taiwan are (parallels) but also the women there have golden cat eyes and are tall as hell and can see in the dark like tigers(cats in general really) but it seems to imply that the emperor when he took a tiger woman fir his bride was an insult or racists term for meaning he married a non native yi ti woman but a woman from tiger island (leng) which would be just another evil esque looking/sounding aspect of the bloodstone emperor breaking all the rules by even giving the finger to his country and countrymen by going the passport bros route...😂

@1FATBOY114 7 месяцев назад

Also The Nights King and Bloodstone Emperor are the same story like Gilgamesh and Noah.

@girlnettles 2 года назад

30:27 "There's only one thing you can do with human sewage, drain it." 💯

@frostbyte101 2 месяца назад

Many people have black and red hair. Lots of people in India, for example.

@stonerassassin3 2 года назад

I know I'm late but red and black hair isn't impossible i as well as my brother have patches of red hair in our beards but our hair is black on the top

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 года назад

That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a combination of red and black head hair

@sageofthemysticmist2199 2 года назад

The hair color exist..i had a friend growing up who was half Chinese half Norwegian with dark red hair...

@presleybaldwin3756 2 года назад

Thank you for another great video.

@allyriastark3508 2 года назад

Aw man, finally caught a podcast at the beginning!

@pauldaskal9510 2 года назад

Where did u settle in Florida??

@QueenDaenerysTargaryen 2 года назад

🛠️

@mrsrollerbladin 2 года назад

Where can we read about Bloodstone?

@BleuMoonAme 5 месяцев назад

'tiger' woman...as in a tiger warg...shadowcats are tigers, right?

@conniesuper9892 2 года назад

great perspective!Love this!

@derhustlerderhustler2589 2 года назад

Love for you guys

@thisguy8106 2 года назад

Love this topic!!!

@filbertrocko 2 года назад

Where does it say the Blood Empire has Red and Black hair??????????????????

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 года назад

Ghiscari have red and black hair. We think it’s a subtle nod to the Bloodstone Emperor

@counterspellgoon6854 10 месяцев назад

miss these short form videos

@bAmMoD216 2 года назад

Also I wanted to point out all the chapters at this point in ASOS, is Astipore, the knight of the laughing tree, Gendell & Gorn & the children in the dark/ Then's and the wall, Davos in Dragonstone dungeon/ Mel about the great other and the light in darkness, and finally Dany freeing the Unsullied.... seems like there is a tie in between all these stories in the story at this point.

@mihaelapopescu7686 Месяц назад

Hello. I am writting here not knowing if anyone will read this but I miss The Order of the green hand ... Where are you guys ?

@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Месяц назад

We had a baby

@mihaelapopescu7686 Месяц назад

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Francesca 🎈✨🎉😊. Stay safe and happy ! Hope to see you with new materials in the future . Bye 🤗

@Armaniche 2 года назад

When the Ullers seem almost pleasant

@sydnitheromantictaylor112 2 года назад

Yay another video. Love your videos.

@Glorfindeltj 2 года назад

Thanks!

@cassiocosta9854 2 года назад

First

@cbob213 2 года назад

First to comment without even watching the video 👏 👏 👏 😉

@SHARKVADERS 2 года назад

OOTGH!!!!!!!

@surfthetsunami5596 2 года назад

the black equals bad thing, imagine you are discussing this with a black person. you would probably word this a little differently. maybe in the future you could imagine you are discussing this with a black person. might be a little less cringe

@J_Mock92 Год назад

No one is saying that "black people," as in "people of color" are bad.... George himself has said that he likes "morally gray" characters, so everything said is completely in context, and while I understand where you're coming from from a real-world perspective, it really seems like you're taking things out of context, because nobody is talking about skin color... It's about a character's morals. I'm not trying to make you feel completely invalidated, but have you NEVER thought that a fictional character (particularly in a fantasy with magic) was "dark" before? I'm sorry, but the concept of "morally gray" characters simply cannot exist without black and white (as in, "the world isn't just black and white, but shades of gray as well," which doesn't necessarily imply either side is better or worse) or dark and light (In which I'm fairly certain the majority of people of all ethnicities would immediately associate "darker" characters with being more "evil," or "sinister," or at the very least "misunderstood.") You're obviously entitled to your feelings, but saying the language in this video is "cringe" seems like just a bit of a stretch, when the context was made very clear in the beginning.... If it truly bothers you, then it would probably be more effective if you'd suggest people preface statements about "dark/jet black" characters with the word "morally," or offer an alternative way of phrasing it altogether, instead of just saying "imagine you're talking to a black person in the future and you might be less cringe." I mean I'm sorry, but how is what you said helpful without even suggesting an actual alternative?

@surfthetsunami5596 Год назад

@@J_Mock92 that's fair. An alternative could be "good" and "evil" And I'm not saying anyone here is racist. It's imbedded in the language itself. I think it's a valid discussion to have. As far as the word cringe, you're probably right, it made me cringe. A few years ago I took a long grey hound ride and was having a discussion with a gentleman about something, I don't remember what, but I said something like "... So and so's black heart" and dude have me a funny look(he was black) and it hit me. I had never thought about it before. But he had. Racism is baked into our language. I think it's a fair discussion to be had. I'm sure you are correct in that I didn't bring it up in a useful way, and I'm sorry about that. No offense intended towards anyone.

@J_Mock92 Год назад

@@surfthetsunami5596 I really just think it's quite silly (and actually somewhat offensive) for you to so freely make such comments, as if it's in any way your place to do so.... I don't know your ethnicity (though from you saying "he was black," it seems like you're not a part of the community in any way), but it kinda just sounds like the rhetoric of a false justice warrior.... I don't know you, but based off your response to my comment, it kinda seems like it's not your place to bring up such things at all (based on a single interaction with a black man), as there are plenty of POC that are ASOIAF fans (including myself to a degree, though I'm roughly half "white"), and I've never personally seen a single one point out that sort of language as particularly harmful.... I could be wrong, but your original comment really came across as the kind of things people say while simultaneously drowning out the actual voices of POC 🤷

@DAS_k1ishEe 2 года назад

I don't like to be that kind of guy, but why is this sounding more and more kinda racist? :)

@Ussurin 2 года назад

But if you are right with yoyr theory why in modern times Valyria was a major slave empire? Ghis corrupted them? I think slavery isn't that big of a part of past and it was added into the Azor Ahai faith in modern times to gather followers amongst slaves.