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Game of Thrones | Breaker of Chains | Episode Revisited (Sn4Ep3)
Aaron and Beau review the third episode from season 4 of Game of Thrones, "Breaker of Chains."
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@alexnowak4921
@alexnowak4921 5 лет назад
Pedro Pascal plays Oberyn so fantastically and is another instance of perfect casting in GoT. He's only there for 8 episodes but might crack top 10 characters imo.
@daveyjoneslocker4703
@daveyjoneslocker4703 5 лет назад
I’m so excited to see him in The Mandalorian
@RushGamma
@RushGamma 3 года назад
He was only there for 8 episodes?!?!? He was such a good actor it felt like he was there since season 1 😆
@JohnSmith-wh2ob
@JohnSmith-wh2ob 5 лет назад
“I’d still take my chances” subtle but absolutely agree
@BugsMcCoy
@BugsMcCoy 5 лет назад
*Getting brutally murdered* 'Totally worth it'.
@krusnik94
@krusnik94 5 лет назад
That Jon Snow Mona Lisa painting though
@iwant2liveonmyfeet938
@iwant2liveonmyfeet938 5 лет назад
which min:sec? I didnt see it
@charlief3169
@charlief3169 5 лет назад
@@iwant2liveonmyfeet938 34:48
@krusnik94
@krusnik94 5 лет назад
If you look to the left at the start of the video
@iwant2liveonmyfeet938
@iwant2liveonmyfeet938 5 лет назад
Thank you both of you ^_^
@LoLo11
@LoLo11 5 лет назад
Jon Snow Mona LIsa FTW!
@FadzaiSimango
@FadzaiSimango 5 лет назад
Daenerys has sooo many titles now. Poor Missandei must need a teleprompter when she does her introductions
@kanegarvey848
@kanegarvey848 2 года назад
Everytime she does anything "The buyer of groceries, the clipper of nails.. '
@collincaperton6718
@collincaperton6718 11 месяцев назад
​@kanegarvey848 the walker of dogs.
@superwhiteboy619
@superwhiteboy619 5 лет назад
Since red dead comes out this week it'll be a month before we hear nerd soup
@lostdilettante
@lostdilettante 5 лет назад
superwhiteboy619 to be fair we’ll all be too busy playing the game too so we won’t care
@Ankka5
@Ankka5 5 лет назад
I dont like the game
@superwhiteboy619
@superwhiteboy619 5 лет назад
@@lostdilettante valid point I even got the ultimate edition and collector's box, full on geek
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew 5 лет назад
Too many of us are busy playing the RDR2, some of us don't have consoles, be busy go to place to play them
@superwhiteboy619
@superwhiteboy619 5 лет назад
@Metsarebuff 22 sucks for you
@FearTheShadowz
@FearTheShadowz 5 лет назад
Nerd soup hitting it with the consistent uploads
@m3driver245
@m3driver245 5 лет назад
A book note, and spoilers for anyone who may want to read it. Tywin did NOT order the mountain to rape and kill Elia and the kids. He had a great scene with Tyrion where Tyrion calls him out on it and Tywin basically looks down at Tyrion and says (paraphrasing) “not even you would think I would give that kind of order. Truth be told I didn’t know what Gregor Clegane was capable of until they came to me with what he did in the red keep. And what could I do, I couldn’t bring them back to life so I made the best of it and laid the bodies out for Robert to show that his kingdom was now secure” Tywin, always the pragmatic.
@aguyUsingTheWeb
@aguyUsingTheWeb 5 лет назад
Totally forgot that. I remember thinking how shrewd a move that was.
@herbertschulz4904
@herbertschulz4904 5 лет назад
M3 Driver oh, i must have missed this. Could you please Tell me the chapter this is in?
@m3driver245
@m3driver245 5 лет назад
Herbert Schulz storm of swords; Tyrion Chapter 54. I just went over it again and I was slightly wrong. Tywin told his men to take care of the kids hoping they would kill them peacefully but of course they didn’t. He then tells Tyrion he didn’t tell them to touch Elia but because the mountain is a monster he raped and killed her for the fun of it. That’s when Tywin says he didn’t know what kind of madman the mountain was until that happened and says surely you don’t think I would have ordered that. Tywin after the fact questions his me like wtf happened here and one of his guys said they stabbed the little girl to death because she “kicked” him. And Tyrion’s internal monologue says Tywin looked disgusted reliving it.
@Skelstoolbox
@Skelstoolbox 5 лет назад
He also said to Amory Lorch "why did you stab her so many times?" refering to Princess Rhainies and he said because she wouldn't stop screaming..
@herbertschulz4904
@herbertschulz4904 5 лет назад
M3 Driver thank you
@Besaofficial12
@Besaofficial12 5 лет назад
This was the last season that Tyrion was actually Tyrion...From season 5 he just became a different character ...same with Littlefinger and Varys
@Goomyx1492
@Goomyx1492 5 лет назад
It's pretty clear that the show writers just didn't quite know how to write those characters like George does.
@sarikatimmi
@sarikatimmi 5 лет назад
Agreed
@estefanireyes3466
@estefanireyes3466 5 лет назад
Honestly tho
@rallis3937
@rallis3937 5 лет назад
@@boymomx3OG On thing is a character arc, another thing is a personalety change.
@The810kid
@The810kid 5 лет назад
Season 5 he had shades of old Tyrion and new Tyrion when he first met Dany he wasn't kissing her ass and was witty and clever
@twistsarts
@twistsarts 5 лет назад
You know what I really love in this episode? The scene with the farmer really does show how much the North actually cares about house Stark, even a farmer who's pushing as hard as he can to get by, thinks about the safety and well being of the high-born that rule over him. The southern kingdoms' low-born might not care who sits where, who rules what; but in the North, the Starks cared for and loved their people, and that inspired a kind of compassion and loyalty of those people that no other house has.
@ImAlexhearmemehYT
@ImAlexhearmemehYT 5 лет назад
Tywin is so smug with that delivery "categorically"
@maklinamaya4870
@maklinamaya4870 5 лет назад
You guys really inspire me to read the books, every analysis we get from you guys is always on point. Great job and thank you, @Nerdsoup.
@systemofafox6487
@systemofafox6487 5 лет назад
Do it, I listened to the audiobooks on my first read and then read them again with the physical copies, if you like the show you'll love the books.
@lesgoodrich1446
@lesgoodrich1446 5 лет назад
In calculus class we calculated that you have a better chance of dropping a penny from the roof of The Empire State Building, and having it hit someone related to you as close or closer than second cousins, than winning the powerball lottery. (And Nerd Soup rules!)
@rallis3937
@rallis3937 5 лет назад
The chances if that REALLY vary depending on where your relatives live
@marchindley9856
@marchindley9856 5 лет назад
Last time I came this early my girlfriend was very disappointed.
@movieman175
@movieman175 5 лет назад
Marc Hindley get your hands on some of that fermented crab and get back in that race.
@Simplejackfade
@Simplejackfade 5 лет назад
movieman175 top tier comment
@johnnyskinwalker4095
@johnnyskinwalker4095 5 лет назад
movieman175 LOOOL
@TheSaiyanPrincess89
@TheSaiyanPrincess89 5 лет назад
I'm sure she still is.
@karlvik2168
@karlvik2168 5 лет назад
Marc Hindley Damn, 68th like. I guide others to a treasure I cannot posess.
@irnomo9784
@irnomo9784 5 лет назад
125 likes no dislikes. its early of course, but it shows how awesome your videos are and even more, how awesome your fans are!
@davidison2955
@davidison2955 5 лет назад
410!
@theshadeofmyass
@theshadeofmyass 5 лет назад
Now its about 370.
@minkalampinen9519
@minkalampinen9519 5 лет назад
498!
@Alfie871
@Alfie871 5 лет назад
"Dont you laugh at it" Family guy reference?
@GraceTH33Empress
@GraceTH33Empress 5 лет назад
My day was super shitty until I saw this 🙌🏾🙌🏾 thank you!
@JakeVonsplash
@JakeVonsplash 4 года назад
Iiii
@christianvennemann9008
@christianvennemann9008 5 лет назад
Time to get some sweet tea, and relax...
@zifircin1797
@zifircin1797 5 лет назад
I prefer a strong brew!
@CarInMyAss
@CarInMyAss 5 лет назад
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@christianvennemann9008
@christianvennemann9008 5 лет назад
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@christianvennemann9008
@christianvennemann9008 5 лет назад
@@CarInMyAss I love it. 😏😋
@BubbaGumNDB5
@BubbaGumNDB5 5 лет назад
Jamie and Tryion should've played their father and made Jamie Tryion's champion. Basically make tywin let both sons die or get Tryion off Scot free
@todaysdesperadohatesavocad7109
Why DIDN'T that happen? Brilliant.
@joshwilner5622
@joshwilner5622 5 лет назад
Well blame grrm
@ceulinberg
@ceulinberg 5 лет назад
"Damn those Baratheons" I'd watch that show .
@vtmiller63
@vtmiller63 5 лет назад
The Arya/Hound scene with the father and daughter always makes me crave soup.
@tristandiamond7932
@tristandiamond7932 5 лет назад
Every time I see one of these on my feed I grab some Chick-fil-A and stream it on the big screen love the videos guys keep it up
@the4thamigo
@the4thamigo 5 лет назад
My Mum got 5 out of 6 number plus the bonus on the British loto just not long b4 she died and the 1 she missed was 1 number off. She got 15000 instead of 5 million. Still can't complain at 15 thousand pounds.
@joethealiensoon
@joethealiensoon 5 лет назад
Just found these videos, been binging them all day love them :)
@housewise7757
@housewise7757 5 лет назад
Joe Sweeting one of the channels ever
@portxer
@portxer 5 лет назад
No way you watched all the episodes in one day
@Troublesome-one
@Troublesome-one 5 лет назад
Haha, that Big Pun opening bar was straight 🔥🔥🔥
@Danilego
@Danilego 5 лет назад
This episode is such a set-up. Really gets you hyped for the rest of the season!
@aarond7245
@aarond7245 5 лет назад
Let's get it. Season 4 (imo) is the best season of the series
@davienarmstrong1021
@davienarmstrong1021 5 лет назад
when the music kicked in with that 'suddenly' i lost it
@robinziphood
@robinziphood 5 лет назад
just wanna let you know you guys are amazing
@slobiden.2593
@slobiden.2593 5 лет назад
Me back at home at 1am. Needs put wash on but doesn’t want to stay up. Sees this upload. Now I don’t have to wake up early for laundry!!!
@knightofthelaughingtree2514
@knightofthelaughingtree2514 5 лет назад
Not going to lie I screamed when I saw this notification on my phone!! I live for these videos every week!!!
@spence7275
@spence7275 5 лет назад
Holy shyte... that scene with Tywin/Oberyn with the music from Curb Your Enthusiasm in the back ground... **Slowly gold clapping*** Well done sirs, priceless.
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew 5 лет назад
King Joffery's and Tywin's death was the beginning of Queen Cersei's path to become insane Queen who brings her tragic end.
@karlthefirst8690
@karlthefirst8690 5 лет назад
Oh good god, the Tywin-Oberyn Larry David staredown... MADE my morning. And a perfect encapsulation of how far Netflix has to go before anyone should even begin to compare them to HBO for the quality of their oeuvre.
@monstermash1571
@monstermash1571 5 лет назад
21:22 That was God damn Hilarious.
@Mayhemm007
@Mayhemm007 5 лет назад
King Orys I is not entirely made up. Aegon The Conqueror had a commander named Orys Baratheon, who annexed the fortress of Storm's End from the Storm King and foundered House Baratheon. The show just made him a Targaryen for some reason.
@nialloloughlin7384
@nialloloughlin7384 5 лет назад
25 minutes in no basketball reference , impressed
@VisionPoet
@VisionPoet 5 лет назад
Dropping the Big Pun bars at the beginning is reason to subscribe alone
@kabukiruiz2168
@kabukiruiz2168 5 лет назад
Oh god! How much I love your videos guys! xD and LOL at kit harington as mona lisa.
@ghoulishfool
@ghoulishfool 5 лет назад
This was the first episode of the show that I watched when it just premiered. I remember the last scene more than anything about this episode, just watching it for my first "Next time on Game of Thrones" and feeling like, "I'm finally part of the Game of Thrones community". 10/10 feeling.
@TheKingOfRooks
@TheKingOfRooks 2 года назад
Catching up on a still running show is always so satisfying, but then a few days into the wait for the next episode you're like "Ahhh I wish I still had more to binge."
@hoopsmcgee8272
@hoopsmcgee8272 5 лет назад
Alright guys. Your reviews of the previous seasons will run out well before Season 8 starts. And so, your fans demand a simple request. You guys need to do one animated video for each of your GoT spin-off series ideas. They cannot exceed five minutes each. The shows you guys proposed are: "Damn the Baratheons," "Half-Man and the Eunuch," and "My Gay Brother." We just want one little 2 or 3 minute episode of each.
@shellymariejang3467
@shellymariejang3467 5 лет назад
Hoops McGee also Arya and Hound, anime style
@miles6283
@miles6283 5 лет назад
When watching the scene from the clip at 5:20 my brother yelled out "YO CERSEI THICCER THAN A BOWL OF OATMEAL." Can't keep a straight face when watching it now.
@reemountain2010
@reemountain2010 5 лет назад
Wow blue cricket really made that hard turn for the Darios.
@theprimo100
@theprimo100 5 лет назад
Loving that Jon-a Lisa.
@jordanmachado2529
@jordanmachado2529 5 лет назад
Nerd soup you my boys!!! Been watching you fools since season 7 you guys bring an awesome modern goof to the reviews, keep it up young brothers!
@KaladinVegapunk
@KaladinVegapunk 5 лет назад
i do love your reference to the Dunk and Egg similarities there, how the Reds and Blacks are such a dramatic divide and it dictates everyones interactions
@ethanhawkins3391
@ethanhawkins3391 5 лет назад
Best videos on the channel! Never stop making these NerdSoup 🙏🏽🙏🏽
@nopaincobain72
@nopaincobain72 5 лет назад
This is my favorite series on RU-vid and you two are pretty much killing it all the time.😁😇
@Danilego
@Danilego 5 лет назад
Really like your Jonalisa painting back there
@TheCrystella26
@TheCrystella26 5 лет назад
Is that 2 reviews in a week? Life is good! Keep up the great work. Love you guys❤
@wesnnicole010
@wesnnicole010 5 лет назад
Wooo! Nerd soup video GOT video = work day just got less boring
@fritzvanlonden1388
@fritzvanlonden1388 5 лет назад
Technically, she had a better claim to the crown with Renly Baratheon... unfortunately for her, no one else knew of this technicality.
@ckrwgn3753
@ckrwgn3753 5 лет назад
The references in this revisit. They're just all a 10/10.
@derekiswalking
@derekiswalking 4 года назад
You have to have two windows open to watch this series: One to watch the actual video, and another to look up clips of the great scenes they talk about;
@enbykenz
@enbykenz 5 лет назад
ughhh yeah it was supposed to be consensual but they literally cut away every time she pulled him closer Dan and Dave clearly don't know what consent looks like because it never should've been edited that way
@Skelstoolbox
@Skelstoolbox 5 лет назад
Consent? Maybe I'm old fashioned but as a man, you just take it! She will never make the first move, so you act and if she doesn't say "no" then keep going.. Is that consent? It's what I've done all my life..
@rallis3937
@rallis3937 5 лет назад
@@Skelstoolbox Dude, wtf is wrong with you?
@Pr0fila
@Pr0fila 5 лет назад
aaronwallerj wrong crowd for trolling bro, wrong crowd.
@Skelstoolbox
@Skelstoolbox 5 лет назад
I wasn't trolling.. Maybe I'm from an older generation. Women don't make the first move, so you pay attention to her non verbal cues/signals. And don't even get me started on "withdrawling consent" as if that's possible..
@lelfam5461
@lelfam5461 5 лет назад
WTF?
@sandradulbecco5190
@sandradulbecco5190 5 лет назад
hey first of all love your show and talk always to the point. Just regarding Cersei i do believe she loves her kids but not in a good way. She is very possessive opf them and their feelings. She doesnt want to share them with anyone. And her way of acting towards them is the direct cause of their death. In a way she is the w
@jxcksDead
@jxcksDead 5 лет назад
I agree. She loves them as monuments to herself ( much the way many bad parents do in the real world)
@laughingoutloud5742
@laughingoutloud5742 5 лет назад
LMFAO Beau! Nice take on Kirk in ST2:WOK
@GordoFabulous
@GordoFabulous 5 лет назад
Getting the "birds and the bees" speech from Tywin has to be one of the all-time epic human experiences.
@twstf8905
@twstf8905 5 лет назад
🎼"All along the Watchtower."🎶🎸
@7yditchfits
@7yditchfits 5 лет назад
Here's the thing, I fully believe Tywin didn't give the order to the Mountain. That also doesn't absolve him of the crime. He's keeps men like the Mountain and Vargo Hoat around specifically because they're the kind of men he doesn't need to give that order to.
@619Gotenks
@619Gotenks 5 лет назад
Almost as incredible as you guys winning the lottery, is that winning the lottery is the only thing that would stop these reviews.
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 5 лет назад
I think cersei does love her kids but most of comes off of her only really loving herself. The kids were an extension of her as was jaime who is her twin
@amhk5918
@amhk5918 5 лет назад
It's so heartbreaking to look back at Daenerys doing all these good things for the right reasons when you knlw how they butchered her character in season 8
@ermanodigiorgio306
@ermanodigiorgio306 5 лет назад
OH, Tywin gave that order no question. Loving all the curb stuff too!!
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew 5 лет назад
This is also the beginning of Sansa Stark being mentored by Littlefinger, her to become a political player, then it backfire at Littlefinger.
@lydiaquinn2892
@lydiaquinn2892 5 лет назад
Great video! You two so entertaining always. The Curb inserts are so good. I agree with you on every point. And yeah I love new Dario! Every time you raved about the old I remember feeling the same but I loved him pretty quickly. He was great in the Haunting ..... binged in two days. And the Law and Order music 😂
@Ivbo
@Ivbo 5 лет назад
Seeing this in my notifications does put a smile on my face 😉
@adimazga
@adimazga 5 лет назад
Season 7 , Episode 6 - The maker of chains hardcore fans will know
@emperorxander666
@emperorxander666 5 лет назад
Learned so much about them in this ep
@MarkusGraves
@MarkusGraves 5 лет назад
0:00--0:05 Best....intro....................EVER! lol couldn't breathe I was laughing so fucking hard
@karlydean508
@karlydean508 5 лет назад
Nice usage of acrimonious, you are helping me study for the GRE plus GOT fun.
@benmaxey3965
@benmaxey3965 5 лет назад
Beau make the Melisandre and Davos video immediately.
@mohmoony3918
@mohmoony3918 5 лет назад
Those two need to visit Dr. Phil asap.
@amgonza19
@amgonza19 5 лет назад
I freaking love this show, all the antics are on point 21:27
@matthershman6791
@matthershman6791 5 лет назад
“You ever live through a passover sater” made me laugh
@SNBullen0002
@SNBullen0002 5 лет назад
1st! Actually 22nd, but I like to think of myself as 1st.
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew 5 лет назад
This is the beginning of Tyrion Lannister's to great scene trial and betrayal by Shae.
@xoxopuppies12xoxo
@xoxopuppies12xoxo 5 лет назад
I approve of the Spidey in the background 😂
@calcoffey7063
@calcoffey7063 5 лет назад
@NerdSoup I think one of the people who work with George said that Dan and dave created this character and that he must've been a regional king of the stormlands before orys baratheon. So how I explain him having a valyrian name is that maybe storm Kings visited essos during the reign of the valyrian freehold and that's how they discovered the name
@nebulanigrimleonis3883
@nebulanigrimleonis3883 5 лет назад
2THINGS: 1. You guys are my FAVORITE GoT Podcast. YOu make me laugh so hard with your edits and quips. 2. I think the Jamie rape scene, was needed. It showed me, that Jamie is capable of standing up to her when he really wants something. He showed DOMINANCE and that he is not a broken man. Even with 1 hand. Rape is about POWER not, lust. And She had to be reminded of his strength. She was getting a little to cocky. And Jamie gave his life up for her. He was fed up.
@jay_proud
@jay_proud 5 лет назад
The curb stuff is sooooooo good!
@ljb8157
@ljb8157 2 года назад
As Littlefinger says.."titles breed titles"
@edmckenzie1816
@edmckenzie1816 5 лет назад
I like the rape scene....ok I said that wrong. I like the conflicted sex scene and here's why, it reminds us that Jaime is a man who'd kill a child. He's still a Lannister and still messed up. At his best he's still the same man as the one who pushed Bran to his intended death. If Jaime season 7 was in that exact same situation he'd do the exact same thing. He's changed, he's better but he's still a man raised by a heartless dad, in the control of his abusive older sister who's love has always been hidden and the only thing he can openly Express is anger, selfishness and physical violence. The character isn't a bad guy turned good, he's a a grey character turned into a grey character, just different shades.
@kaimatsusaka7000
@kaimatsusaka7000 5 лет назад
Ed McKenzie completely agree
@KaladinVegapunk
@KaladinVegapunk 5 лет назад
oh yeah the shadow baby is legit, but she literally just saw flashes of Balon/Robb/Joffrey dying in the flames and just acted like she had influence over it hahah, really clever on her part but not part of her blood magic
@essdoubleu
@essdoubleu 5 лет назад
plz lads, the haunting of hill house, maniac and sharp objects: revisited
@madelyn7723
@madelyn7723 5 лет назад
That scene with the Hound was one of the best scenes last season.
@godspeed2272
@godspeed2272 5 лет назад
My Girlfriend broke up with me today but at least I have a Nerd Soup video to watch
@IamBerrii
@IamBerrii 5 лет назад
I love the beginning lol
@imheretosayyo3064
@imheretosayyo3064 5 лет назад
New Daario>>>old Daario
@willigagbob8243
@willigagbob8243 5 лет назад
"I said we rolling with like a million. " Hilarious exaggerations.
@pimpchez
@pimpchez 5 лет назад
Random Big Pun lyrics to kick it off 😂
@fchho
@fchho 2 года назад
@9:15, what are you talking about, she obviously loved and cared of her kids, that was her only redeeming quality .
@nyzgtr
@nyzgtr 5 лет назад
nice beau spittin big pun
@TheGodOfGravy
@TheGodOfGravy 5 лет назад
Foreshadowing Cersei’s death by dragon might be on the cards. Based on the season 8 trailer and the size difference between the dragons, Rhaegal could be the “little brother”.
@laughingoutloud5742
@laughingoutloud5742 5 лет назад
The scene with Margaery and Lady Oleanna; doesn't The Queen of Thorns say to Margaery "I would never let that monster near you" or something like that....?
@MistrZazoun
@MistrZazoun 5 лет назад
NOTIFICATION SQUAD WHERE YOU AT
@BryceChillis
@BryceChillis 5 лет назад
kinda wondering how larry david would fare in the world of ice and fire now
@iloveyourunclebob
@iloveyourunclebob 5 лет назад
When I look at Cersei, I see a woman who is being drowned by the men around her, but refuses to just die. She claws at faces, tearing their skin away just trying to catch her breath.
@mohmoony3918
@mohmoony3918 5 лет назад
I love it when you talk dirty.
@iloveyourunclebob
@iloveyourunclebob 5 лет назад
@@mohmoony3918 🤣🤣
@Lyndiloo
@Lyndiloo 5 лет назад
OMG Sedar is the woooorst! "How many times do I have to dip this shit in salt water before we can eat?!"
@patriot459
@patriot459 5 лет назад
At the 11 min mark everyone remembers what Jamie does in this episode and it’s like oh yeahhhh h was the bad guy in season 1
@TheAwesomoe
@TheAwesomoe 5 лет назад
I 100% approve (rounding up) of the non-consentual scene. Progress isn‘t this linear improvement, people backpeddle time and time again. Jaime‘s flaws are deeply embedded, and if it only gets better, then that just makes it seem easy. There‘s a reason addicts relapse, they‘ve still got inner demons and the struggle can be overwhelming. Turning into a healthy individual isn‘t a walk in the park. It‘s a reminder of what Jaime is and it gives him depth. Realism isn‘t always needed, but in this case it only adds to his character. I‘m not going to comment on the difference of outrage for different similar scenes.
@TheAwesomoe
@TheAwesomoe 5 лет назад
I also, respectfully, disagree with you. I don't know if I will catch up on the books ever, but at the moment I'm still only halfway through book two. So my perspective comes from the show primarily, and I think it fits quite well. I know it's heresy to suggest that deviation from the original story can be positive, not just a necessary evil, but I stand by it. The books shows a quite grim portrayal of women's status in the world, so there chivalry is an exception, but the show never really tackles the topic to the same extent. Obviously it does, you can insert a lot of examples of it, but I get the sense that these values brilliantly seep into every conversation regarding the topic in the books. The show makes it seem like some rotten eggs, where the books paints a picture of this unreachable issue that is impossible to combat. More than just reminding us of the imbalance of the sexes in this world, it makes sense from a story-telling perspective. It didn't have a direct consequence, but I think that's a positive. Just like the real world, things go unpunished and justice isn't fair or relatively distributed. Ramsay doesn't get a 1:1 punishment for all the people he flayed and tortured, his death was rather quick in comparison. A lot of it is just compounding factors to shape our opinions of the characters, my point is that not everything has to serve this grand objective purpose in a story. This goes contrary to what the youtube film analysts will tell you, that action and consequence is the end-all and be-all, but a lot more factors go into it (think theme, emotion or struggle). Some people might argue that this story is known for having consequences for actions, but I think that's a bit reductionistic. So I think it was a fair introduction to his character, because I honestly felt that purely bad actions were lacking on his part. George's main tool for making us dislike him was his attitude, which would mean that a change of our opinions would come really easily. What other thing did he do that was just cruel and evil? During the war he did a lot of things to survive, and after that his arc had already come a long way. The best example I can think of is Tyrion's first love, which shows what kind of upbringing he had. Obviously this wasn't shown in the show, merely hinted at, but it showed what kind of hurdles he had to overcome. If a show portrays me a person wanting to overcome something (shown in his ideals of the knight in comparison to his family), show me what accepting the bad alternative leads to. You could argue that you have that in other characters, but I prefer the model where they're all messed up in some way. My ideal version would be them showing him regretting what he did to Cersei, but I think it's fine as it is. I'm mainly coming at it from the angle that I want more grey characters, realistic ones at that, and it's a good addition to that cause. If you think of character's origin on a spectrum from good to bad, and then what they end up doing when things get hard on a similar scale from good to bad, there aren't that many characters who were born in the bad camp who want to be good. Tyrion is similar in that regard, but he alienated himself from his family, so you can sometimes forget what an awful upbringing he had. It's a bit simplistic, but it serves to prove a point.
@MsJavaWolf
@MsJavaWolf 5 лет назад
I definitely think Cersei loves her children, it was said several times that they are probably the only thing she really loves.
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