Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Catelyn Stark Does NOT Free Jaime Lannister 

Yeah This definitely seems FAR more likely than Tywin doing something to kill Robb. Maybe he’d try to get Northern lords to rebel or be doubtful of Robb’s abilities but he’d try to distance itself as much from him since he still wants to get Jamie off the Kingsguard and become his heir again. He’s a cautious and calculated man and wouldn’t risk something like that. Thing is that while Robb is great at winning battles he’s not good at strategy relating to war as a whole so he was already losing. So idk what happens. best thing for him to do is go back North and fortify and hunker down

@@caspianbchalphy rob was definitly food at war strategies, the war was going pretty well for him and he had good chances of winning. Politics is what he compltetly failed at and what ultimately led to his death

@@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Rob was good at winning individual battles. Made some clever moves. But he wasn't thinking about the big picture. Tywin was wise enough to not over extend. Rob should have fell back. Rob should have waited until the end of the war to get married.

I think it comes down to how much keeping the karstarks loyal will persuade Roose to keep his vows to Robb. Robb kept Jaimie close to him and would’ve brought him with him to the Twins for the wedding, so Jaimie could’ve been freed then, it’s just a matter of would roose still have betrayed Robb with the karstarks still on Robb’s side

It would be good to do the first and then exile Jaime to casterly rock

-Married any other woman but Cersei.

Bruh Tywin at the Wall. That'll be bizarre but interesting.

C. Venom I would think he won’t be that cynical and likable as a character

yeah he would be more cunty like his brother

I was mainly thinking that, if Tyrion hadn't been a dwarf (perhaps with the added bonus of his birth not killing his mother), he would've been Tywin's favorite child. Tyrion has a lot of Tywin's personality. In that scene in S1E10, when Tyrion pushed the wine glass off the table and said, "There's your peace," Tywin almost looked proud. When Tywin sent Tyrion to King's Landing to be Joffrey's Hand and keep "that boy king" (as Tywin put it) and Cersei in line, he did it because he knew Tyrion was the one who was most like him (personality-wise and in terms of intellect). Also, Tywin's explanation when Tyrion asked him why he was doing that ("You are my son.") was probably the closest thing to an, "I love you," Tyrion ever got from his father.

Tyrion being normal would be boring.

soyon manlai True. Plus, I think Tyrion being so shunned his whole life is why he's so much more moral than the rest of his family, and why he's so much more sympathetic to people in bad situations, such as the poor and Jon Snow (particularly when the latter was shunned because everyone had thought he was a bastard).

well if ned dies arthur dayne raises jon in essos

So Jon Arryn would become an immortal ? Niiiicee

"What if Theon keeps his 8-incher?" Asking the important questions. 😂😂 Still, even though I despised Theon at the point that had happened to him, I didn't think he deserved to have _that_ happen to him. 😖😖

Varis Bran still ends the war with a single trance.

Ned wouldn’t have died, he arrived hours after Tywin sacked Kings Landing

Michelle De Conceicao lot's of cool scenarios. The last one doesn't seem like much if anything would change

Fairly Literary lots would have changed is Littlefinger was killed young, because he's the orchestrator of a lot of things that happened

Ricki-Sue King : y'know what? You're right. I forgot about that. Someone else would more likely take his place as a maniacal mastermind lol

1. Lyanna telling Ned that she wanted to run away with Rhaegar wouldn't change a damn thing. Ned's father and brother were killed by the Mad King, that was really what started Robert's Rebellion. The Northern Lords were pissed, Robert was furious that Rhaegar kidnapped the love of his life, Jon Arryn refused to obey the Mad King when he ordered Ned and Robert to be killed so he had no choice but to go to war at that point... war still happens and Targaryens still get destroyed. 2. If Ned tells everyone that Jon is the true King ( which would mean that he would have to tell everyone that Jon is actually a Targaryen ) everyone would think that he has gone mad. 3. If by some miracle Ned got there in time to stop the Mountain ( i assume he would have at least 20 men with him in order to be able to kill that monster and no Lannister soldiers around to stop Ned ) then that would create a huge problem for Robert and Tywin would be very pissed as well. Dorne would try and negotiate something in order to get Elia and her children to Dorne but that would never happen, they would be kept as hostages and the kids would still end up getting killed one way or another. 4. I would love to see Jon as a Kingsguard member... so that he could just stand there and watch while his father is getting his head chopped off... let's be serious here, the moment Ned gets arrested Jon tries to save him and he ends up dead. 5. Sansa is an idiot, always was and always will be. I can see no scenario in which she takes her sister's side and goes against her sweet Prince. 6. Bran and Rickon at the wall = they both live and as soon as Jon gets back at Castle Black he sends them to some Northern House to keep them safe, probably to Lord Wyman Manderly. 7. Jon finding Bran and Rickon at the tower while he has wildlings chasing him and want to kill him... they slow Jon down and they all get killed by the wildlings. 8. Brandon kills Littlefinger = No war of the Five Kings. Which means no story.

You're a genius, Batt Productions...put this man on a video, send him a t shirt or something...I like it

Chi_Sox4ever I was thinking the same thing he can afford to lose Tyrion if Jamie is around to carry on his line. If Tyrion is the last male heir he wouldn't even let the trial happen they would probably just blame it all on Sansa & go on a witch Hunt for her.

I was thinking that as well.

it depends on when Jamie died they could not have delayed the wedding of Joffrey and Margery so the purple wedding could have happen as that is a plan of Balish( to save Sansa as he wants either her or cat) and the queen of thorns( as she didn't want her granddaughter married to a sadistic little fool)

I think they wouldn’t have even accused Tyrion of it because he’s the only heir left and even tho Tywin hates him he won’t let him die for this or if it did go through the mountain would be Tyrion’s champion

Ned wouldn't allow that. Bastards are not welcome (unless in your own home)

Rightfully so --- btw, I am a big Dragonball fan. Awesome

Super Vegito When I first saw that episode, I was mad at her, but because of the amazing character evolution Jaime has gone through, I'm (sort of) happy she did it.

@Rosamund Powell y? her nation is at war thousands of mother send their sons to fight their war and she cared about her freaking daughter bloody witch

@@hiddendagger7291 her saving Jamie led to winter fell being saved so what she did ended up working out

Summary exacution and killing POWs should never be shown as a good thing. Weither Rickard Karstark killed Jamie or the twins there should have been consequences. Just because one of your allies wants to kill someone does not mean you should allow it. Taking Tywin prisoner caused a lot of problems. His execution would have caused a lot more. There had to be a better solution to letting him go or letting Rickard Karstark merc the dude.

The Vale is under littlefinger and Lysa tully controlled, he made a video about if littlefinger died.

They blow Lannister’s out of the water

That would’ve turned the tide to Robb, honestly he should’ve appeared before his Aunt in person and begged her to join after the Karstarks left. He could’ve made her a promise that he’d find Robin a suitor.

Daenerys and Viserys will be dead. why do you think Ned was so determined to keep Jon a secret?

Robert would still have them both executed but he'd be on better terms with Stannis. Robert then might have given Stannis Storm's End.

Robert would have them killed either way😭

Greyjoy are not strong enough to take on the Lannister, nor the north.

I think they would have been able to raid the Westerlands pretty heavily, considering the whole army was engaged with Robb. With the Baratheon fleet out of the picture the royalists naval forces are weakened compared to the Greyjoy rebellion, it might not be enough though. Robb probably wouldn't have needed to agree to the Red Wedding though, and if Joffrey still dies perhaps some kind of truce could have been arranged by the Tyrells?

John Stark then ser rodrik Cassel would fight Roose since Roose would try to take winterfell

@@Brandonhayhew Not on their own, but that's why they should have sided with Either tywin or Robb. They could use their fleet to raid the westerlands, maybe even destroy Lannisport.

@@leonpaelinck These iron born were lead by an idiot king who lost two wars. They were better off with Dany, they just need to wait til Dany came

same results. What made Jaime successful there was that he started thinking like Tywin.

Robb captured Tywin?! The war almost over.

@@zhouyifan5481 No, Jaime got captured because he left the camp, Tywin would never do such a thing

Dead at Red Wedding. Sansa never escapes Ramsay. Jon is fucked.

Ramsay would have had to siege Winterfell because the garrison would never have left to fight at Torrhens Square and Theon would never have taken the castle. That siege might have made the whole Red Wedding thing a bit less smooth, since as it played out they already had the castle in Bolton hands after the wedding, so questioning their power in the North was kinda hard. Would the Manderlys, Umbers and various small houses have sat idly by as traitors sieged their dead liege lords castle, with Bran and Rickon in it?

@@hoiman2356 Red Wedding is butterfly'd away if Robb still has his capital

Thanks my friend! :)

Then the rebels are doomed and cateyn and riverland, north will be raided by Lannister and Ironborn

"Then the rebels are doomed" even in the case they win the battle?(things would get tricky with Stannis, i think he would still hold Storm's End)

When Robert striked a the ahmmer on the prince, this is where the royalist soliders flee, and the other kingsguards are dead, Rhaegar living his still gonna face a lot of problems with the other factions joining the winning side

then , what if Robert manges to kill Rhaegal but Dayne kills him shortly afterwards

Blitzkrieg The Rebel wins but Stannis become king and the rest is history, and also ser Dayne and the royalist is doomed.

I dig it! Awesome. Particularly the Steffon one is intriguing to me

Hey there bud! Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate it. Really nice of you to say. I'll do what I can to post more (I DEFINITELY will be closer to the GOT season!) Interesting idea, for sure. Tywin being captured changes the game COMPLETELY! Cheers mate

Robert wasn't even aware of Gendry, he never would've done that.

Derek Neese key word “what if” also in the theory Robert could’ve known

Derek Neese I did mean if.

I feel that if any of his bastard would be the heir it would be Edric Storm. He is one of the two acknowledged bastards and is a highborn.

Is Cersei Gendry's mom?

there is also the chance he doesnt die at all and wins northern independance. One thing many people forget is that the war was actually going pretty good for Rob up until the Red Wedding

Klay Smith the the lannisters would be doomed.

In the books mance did bent his knee and is secretly going to on a save mission to get fake Arya.

Yeah, seriously. And Bronn wouldve gotten out of King's Landing pretty fast being who he is. I don't think he completely thought that through.

So much pleasure would be had But Jon would totally win her heart still. Gah could still change a lot

I love it! I'll give it a go!

No it's cause she's a women !!!! That was sooo dumb

the mannis in the north

Honestly, that's a good scenario. I appreciate that input.

In the books version they are still very much alive.

king boeski Read the books.

Oo00oo I like it!