Gaming Case Swap The Dell Optiplex SFF With ZERO Adapters! | Optiplex 9020, 9010, 7020, 3020 SFF

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This is my workaround for case swapping the Dell Optiplex small form factor versions. These can be a huge pain in the a** to swap with the original motherboard so I figured this would make it much easier on everyone while still keeping things very cheap.
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@edan7813 Год назад

This isn’t really an optiplex case swap, it’s more of ripping out the guts of an optiplex and using it with a regular motherboard

@saucysuishi341 Год назад

He did explain why!

@andrive Год назад

@@saucysuishi341 But it's still misleading

@pwn0grapher Год назад

Agree. I mean, this is exactly how any sane person should use SFF parts to upgrade, but talk about click bait title. Definitely not a case swap so much as a cannibalization. 😂

@RAVisuals Год назад

I’m aware. I explained why I did what I did at the very beginning man!

@edan7813 Год назад

@@RAVisuals yeah that’s my bad I wasn’t paying attention in the beginning of the video

@straybricks 2 месяца назад

“I case swapped this PC by building a new PC.” 😵

@omarcorrea2500 Год назад

Ty I've got two 7010 sff and my boys are going to love the upgrades.

@radradR0bot Год назад

This is less of a case swap and more of scavenging an optiplex

@RAVisuals Год назад

true, but this is just how I personally would go about swapping the parts if you happened to have a SFF optiplex sitting around.

@radradR0bot Год назад

@@RAVisuals fair enough. Especially because those proprietary motherboards can be limited in their bios settings.

@sean70729 Год назад

This is better than a normal case swap and I agree the motherboard swap is the smartest way to do it, this video completely changed how I will do my 7020 build.

@tomg9061 Год назад

Rebuilt my 3020 based on this video and some general computer literacy my PC is up and running! Used this as an excuse to upgrade my ram from the 16 the dell MB maxes out at to the 32 the new MB has. Cant thank you enough for this video

@RAVisuals Год назад

Love to see it! 🙌 glad you were able to get the job done

@zillacutz Год назад

Nice vid perfect timing just got my dell optiplex 9020 sff

@RAVisuals Год назад

Love it!

@Itsmerobbie630 Год назад

Thx for the tips I got the same exact pc and I’m thinking about case swapping to

@wiredwezl Год назад

I appreciate this video👍🏾. My main PC died so I had to dig my 3020 (old reliable) back out. So I want to swap it into my main case. 😁Thank you!

@naxticyYT Год назад

Although this is basically building a new pc this is great if your looking to upgrade later on and the cpu is always nice to re use considering the desktop was a cheap price

@tecnolatino1 Год назад

Great video man thanks

@johnthompson1284 Год назад

Thanks for this - gave me hope for our Optiplex! We have a the SFF with a i5-4570 which we have boosted with a Palit GT710 and we are tempted to go for the case swap! It's difficult to get the exact motherboard in the UK (need to import!) so I'm wondering - will the Asus B85M-E work instead of your Asus B85M-G? Comparing the manuals which I've downloaded, the E has different PCI slots (I guess that doesn't matter?), the E doesn't have a "1 x CLRTC header" (clock - so I guess that doesn't matter?) which the G has, the E doesn't have a "1 x S/PDIF Out Header" (audio so I guess ok?) which the G has, and it's also slightly different size (9.6" x 8.4" rather than the G which is 9.2" x 7.6" - I guess I'll have to check that will still fit the case?). It looks like the CPU socket and the memory slots are the same and I guess the disk drive goes in as normal (although I've never done one - any thoughts/gotchas to be aware of?). Will the B85M-E still be ok with the other parts? I guess I'll need to check that the B85M-E motherboard layout will support a large graphics card if I we decide to upgrade that in the future - anything else I should worry about? Thanks.

@rometherevenant8749 Год назад

Awsome video man.

@RAVisuals Год назад

Thanks man!

@jaraculedaryll8558 Год назад

Yeah i agree at the part where the stock mobo of that sff and it small case are huge PAIN IN THE A$$ bcoz i cant improve the performance of this build with that kind of spec like change the psu to higher one and fit a full height gpu that need external power. Glad to see you make this content for people like me. Hope your channel will grow stronger! May God bless you!🤗

@RAVisuals Год назад

Thanks so much for the kind words man! More to come 👌

@f-dori6868 Месяц назад

Thanks for the case swap videos- one thing to note, I have both 3020 and 3010 SSF and they swapped right into gaming cases. The HD Audio and front USB fit with no adapter, and I just used the factory power switch although it’s the same 5 pin as the full tower so the adapter kit would work fine. Also it’s worth noting that the 3010 comes with a 24 pin motherboard power connector so you don’t even need to use an adapter.

@nicholasbrown8384 Год назад

Nice work. I might do this when my SFF PC gets old 🙂

@RAVisuals Год назад

It’s so easy! I definitely recommend it

@nicholasbrown8384 Год назад

I kind of have to now lol. I upgraded it and things got more complicated 😂

@Pot_is_Power Год назад

This deserves so many more views

@HomeBrewedVapesReviews 11 месяцев назад

Love your video, and am following this method from now on. But just wanted to let you know that your link for the mobo now takes you to a dual ddim slot board instead of the quad.

@blazinasian556 Год назад

Thank you so much bro 🙌🙌🙌

@RAVisuals Год назад

of course!

@brennenraines51 Год назад

what i would like to know is , do yoiu think you could get everything in an after market case , psu and all and if so what kind would you recomend, i have one with a banged up case and want to switch it

@cogginsnuff Год назад

I really just wanna use one of these as a NAS, put it in a mini-itx case and add some drives, would that be a pain? is the motherboard that different? I'd be down to keep the power supply too to keep things simple.

@user-ur2nl7qj4f 6 месяцев назад

This exactly what i looking for. mine is Dell optiplex 7020 SFF,with i7-470k. Thank u for this guide video.u got a like n sub😘

@Memes_a_million 4 месяца назад

I kinda want to do this the other way around. I kinda like these little dells they are classy haha

@grayjo Год назад

A new motherboard is just one giant adapter though :P

@Jackyllx Год назад

Yes let’s go video finally out!!!

@RAVisuals Год назад

Yessir!! 💪🏼

@icryafterseggs13 Год назад

I need a case upgrade for my 7090 sff, because my psu is sitting outside since my Rtx A2000 is fat and only way to make it fit was removing the psu. Everything works so well but I really need a case upgrade recommendation.

@mrzhetto Год назад

Hello! I am deaf and hearing impaired. I am from Malaysia. You taught me to learn to Dell optiplex change a new PC case. I understand. You idea the best. Thank you very much. 🥰

@quinni24 5 месяцев назад

At this point now. Since it’s been a year, do you have any other motherboard and graphics card recommendations for this? I do want to be able to up the processor in the future as well when affordable.

@JtRocks Год назад

If you have an optiplex… and youre trying to case swap.. just take his advice. Even tho he only used the cpu from the optiplex 💀

@RAVisuals Год назад

This is for the sff versions only. If you have the mini tower, you can ACTUALLY swap everything. I did a video on that too

@enriquegarma7488 Год назад

That was the easiest SFF case swap, now, when swaping the MB, did you have to update the BIOS or anything besides just moving processor and RAM from one MB to the other and then to the other case? Great tutorial!

@RAVisuals Год назад

Nope! I just swapped it over and it worked perfectly

@pigeon4422 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for giving me the confidence to try this with my lenovo m720s lol Even with buying a new board im at least saving like 300-400 on the cpu and ssd, which is especially nice because its a newer office pc with an i7 that i managed to find FOR FREE

@Skl1xcy 14 дней назад

are there any other recommendations for a different (or cheaper) mobo? Preferably on amazon & i also have ddr3 1600 with a lga 1150 socket

@Tennesseeroadster222 Год назад

so i have a dell sff 7010 with 16gb ram 2gb nvidia 1050, wanting to upgrade, the cpu is i5 3470, so that setup you used would support this current config i have ? and if so cost break down?

@j.lietka9406 Месяц назад

Does Dell official have a kind of list of compatible Dell to Dell swaps? Or some other site? Thank you 🤓 found a tossed out Dell Optiplex 7010, but the case got messed up! System works, has i7 3770 3.4 Ghz, 8 GB RAM Win 10 Pro & have a Vostro 230. The Vostro case is in pretty good shape, but it doesn't work / run. Looks like some water damage, as there is some noticeable corrosion on the inside.

@roldanpimentel9846 Год назад

dude this isn't really a case swap, I wish I have filmed my optiplex 9020 sff when I case swapped it. Yeah you're right there are things you need to compromise to make everything to work, but I did it, I just didn't filmed it.

@joemjasa910 10 месяцев назад

Agreed. So the old motherboard power supply and other stuff are garbage now. But nice video thou

@bobs68 Год назад

Link shows a motherboard for ddr3 ram, my current board has ddr4 ram. is there a different motherboard for this?

@animafreak6969 Год назад

The question can you put an i7 processor in the same motherboards because I got the sff model but with an i7 4790 I was wondering is this conbable with the motherboard

@RAVisuals Год назад

Yes it is!

@shorties078 3 месяца назад

sir goodday to you what about the optiplex 7010 is it ok to swap it with other motherboar? thank you

@moraiscode Год назад

Greetings from Brazil! I have an Optiplex 7070 SSF. I can't just adapt it in a case or do I necessarily need to change the motherboard?

@kjjjjjjjjjj989. Год назад

I think you could but u would have to keep the power supply or have to buy adapters bit i dont know if they make them

@ggle704 5 месяцев назад

Could I do this same thing with a B250 K4 motherboard and an i7 9700k?

@hattrickjmr Год назад

Decent rig for low end retro gaming. PS2 and below.

@chucksgrace3225 Год назад

Does this option allow for 4k gaming? I'm building a virtual pinball machine and want 4k option but don't want to spend thousands

@knk4736 Год назад

Hello is it possible to swap cases with HP elitedesk 705 G3 ssf?. What type of case that is compatible

@vFushi Год назад

Hey ra visuals, I’ve been watching your vids for month now , super awesome content love your vids by the way ❤ I own a Dell optiplex 9020 mt with i7 4770, what would you recommend for me for a graphics card? I’m new to pc and I mainly wanna play the new call of duty over 60fps, I am willing to upgrade my power supply. Thanks man love your vids ❤

@RAVisuals Год назад

So sorry i missed this comment man! With that mini tower, you have a ton of options for a gpu upgrade! I have a full video I did a couple years ago explaining a bunch of cards that would be great for your exact system!

@Pot_is_Power Год назад

I love how recent this is. I have a 3020 SFF. Was on a budget and got a few Labor Day deals I got a i7 4790 new for $99 and a GTX 1660 super for $200. A power supply and SSD for like $60 I think. Now I just have to save up to buy a new mother board and case so I can really get the most of my 1660 super. For anyone wondering my case is wide open because the graphic card is too big and I had to cut out the entire back right side so it would sit in the pcie slot lol. It’s a struggle build but one day I’ll be able to upgrade

@RAVisuals Год назад

Nice man! Yeah, a bigger case for your card will be ideal for airflow and just looking much more clean 🙌🏼

@Pot_is_Power Год назад

@@RAVisuals the time is coming lol almost there. I love your content man, thank you for the reply. Looking forward to watching your upcoming content. Thank you for the step by step process with reasoning behind it.

@RAVisuals Год назад

@@Pot_is_Power much appreciated my man! No worries at all. Just trying to help people out and have fun with some tech in the process 🙌🏼

@guts3309 Год назад

What kind of SSD did you get ?

@Pot_is_Power Год назад

@@guts3309 Vulcan Z 1 GB and it’s more than enough when matched with the old 1 tb HDD that came with the Pc

@trytesting4114 Год назад

hopefully you can answer my question. i wanted to do a swap like yours, but do i need another license for windows? or the original one can load up without problem? thanks

@RAVisuals Год назад

Your windows license should stay with your hard drive

@Trillz4K Год назад

What would be a better CPU for this motherboard? Im looking to upgrade maybe a step or 2 higher.

@FilippoCarrux Год назад

I think you could go also with the i7 4790. it's the best i7 before the k version the 4790k.

@agsechogd6406 11 месяцев назад

the i7 4790k is the fastest cpu the optiplex 9020 supports

@suryavo_techphisher Год назад

can this case swapping method work with hp prodesk 400 g5 sff ....please suggest if not ....and love from india❤❤

@danmar007 10 месяцев назад

What other motherboards would you recommend?

@Immostart 3 месяца назад

Fun, good video, just one little issue you loose the OEM license ;-0

@kezzothelezzo Год назад

do the links still work? can i still buy these and do it like in the video?

@kalipsis8869 Год назад

Nice work its dell 365W enough for rx 570 4gb strix?

@RAVisuals Год назад

From my testing I believe it was if its the stock card and not overclocked

@kalipsis8869 Год назад

@@RAVisuals thenks

@4.pm. Год назад

What about the ssds oh ye and also im doing this becasue i just bought a amd radeon rx 580 8gb gddr5 for my dell optiplex 3020 not relizeing this hole time i didnt have big enough power supply thankfully i didnt out it in there with that psu so know i gotta do all this becasue of the psu

@angelagrant1804 3 месяца назад

Can you do a dell optiplex 3060 case swap?

@ai-man212 4 месяца назад

I already have an i7 processor, 32 gigs of RAM and 1 terabytes ssd in my optiplex 9020, so yeah, worth the swap for a real GPU. I'm into making videos and 3d rendering.

@chucksgrace3225 Год назад

Can u just use the same ssd with windows 10 OS from the SFF dell or do you have to do a fresh install of OS win? Thx

@RAVisuals Год назад

yes you can use the same ssd. your windows installation should be fine!

@RealVixio 4 месяца назад

Do u have to use the b85?

@rayrayrayrayray22 7 месяцев назад

Just asked my dad for allowance, got 5 dollars a week, im changing my shit 7020 to this monster, thank you!

@JunaidKhan-tn3hp 2 месяца назад

Will the motherboard work for an Optiplex 3040? (Intel i5 - 6500)

@angelagrant1804 4 месяца назад

how to RGB work front panel without a 3pin header

@Michaelallen-mn4es 6 месяцев назад

Is it better than the original motherboard?)?

@Titanboru Год назад

Have opportunity to get this board second hand. It has only one chassis fan so are those molex fans in front on the Antec or on a fan splitter cable? And also, can this board use DDR3L ram? I have 4 sticks or 8gig each, 32 total and this board has 4 dimms.

@RAVisuals Год назад

Yeah i had to use molex fans to get them to work. Also yes it says this board tops out at ddr3 32gb i believe so you should be good

@Titanboru Год назад

@@RAVisuals Tnx for the reply.

@aclaw4u Год назад

Not really a case swap if all you're keeping is the cpu and ram.

@bombastic__sideeye Год назад

but what about the ssd? where does that go?

@shawndail5132 11 месяцев назад

Will the motherboard work with a 7010 sff?

@TrimFlame 2 месяца назад

I bought a Q87M-E/CSM and I did it but it’s not booting

@reefzlord614 5 месяцев назад

does this also work for the 5040

@jackeliot4497 Год назад

Does the motherboard linked have usb 3.0?

@BigBrawlers. 10 месяцев назад

whould this work with a opteplex 4050 sff?

@shotashifps6429 Год назад

but RA, my question is, will that motherboard work w the Dell Optiplex 3020 so that I don't have to buy the adapters?? cause this looks even more easier

@RAVisuals Год назад

Yes it will! You just pull out your processor, ram and hard drive and use the new motherboard. It’s so easy!

@shotashifps6429 Год назад

@@RAVisuals niiiicee

@burnt_toast8679 Месяц назад

Do you need to reinstall windows?

@got-fan4 2 месяца назад

Where did he pull an ssd from

@Mr.BananaManYT Год назад

the mother board you linked isn't the same one will it still work tho??

@RAVisuals Год назад

yes! still the same chipset

@nate8148 Год назад

Can you do this with a 7040???

@alexanderthomas3169 5 месяцев назад

what about the 5040?

@someonesbunny1843 Год назад

Pls how about changing the motherboard without changing the case

@RAVisuals Год назад

The reason for changing the case is to allow you to accommodate a larger power supply and graphics card.

@jackalack7234 7 месяцев назад

Why are there no adapters for sff?

@j.d.salinger2317 Год назад

You put the old hardrive to a new MB, You are running the new PC with the Windows OS from Dell ? Or you have to buy a new copy of Windows ? I thought OS from pre-built PC cant transfer to a new machine . Thanks Lee

@RAVisuals Год назад

All correct! But no this one just booted to the windows screen. It showed a “hardware change” the first time I booted but the second time went straight to the desktop!

@j.d.salinger2317 Год назад

@@RAVisuals Thanks for your reply ...If I want to keep the existing Window OS , I cant swap the MB. This project is for people who want to use old parts , to build a new PC which require a new copy of Windows OS.

@RAVisuals Год назад

@@j.d.salinger2317 I did exactly that and can still use the copy of windows that was on the optiplex! It just accounts for the new hardware and allows you to use windows normally! I didn’t reinstall windows or anything with this swap

@salimabdi-aziz6687 Год назад

Ofc you can caseswap the 9020 sff i Made power switch work and front usb 3.0

@RAVisuals Год назад

Yeah you can definitely go the route of splicing wires and all that but I wanted to show a more simple way for more people to do it!

@shadoowgaming4563 Год назад

is there any other option ?

@JV-bm4dd Год назад

Can the CPU fan in the optiplex be used in the new motherboard or is that propietary too?

@KoobraRahul_Channel Год назад

Yes bro you can I used

@mariowork4700 Год назад

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@guts3309 Год назад

How the he!! did you put the fan on bc my pins keep popping off

@RAVisuals Год назад

I did that with mine the first time around too but you have to make sure it’s they’re rotated correctly for the fan posts to fit and snap in

@carolepierce1433 6 месяцев назад

Tried this didn’t realize that I needed a new motherboard I got a whole new psu and realized nothing fit

@fofaaaaaaaaaaa Год назад

What fan did you use for the front of the pc?

@RAVisuals Год назад

Just a random black case fan I had laying around!

@Semaj74744 Год назад

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@Frppro1 7 месяцев назад

i have a elite desk 800g2 im planning on case swapping can anyone help

@rolandotobias8744 Год назад

Where did u put the hard drive?

@ldb45 4 месяца назад

Up your butt and around the corner.

@adamb1199 Год назад

I have a i5 optiplex 9020 mini tower can I do this with that??! Plus what about boot start up what do I do once I’ve transplanted all my pc?

@chrish1695 Год назад

Yes… all he used was the cpu, hard drive, and ram

@adamb1199 Год назад

@@chrish1695 ok my man thanks I was just wondering as there is sff is slightly different on the motherboard to mine

@vix5556 Год назад

Whats a good graphics card upgrade for this pc?

@RAVisuals Год назад

the 970 I used in the video is a great option!

@adoherty1514 Год назад

Just got a 5050 do you think I could case swap it??

@RAVisuals Год назад

I'm going to dive into the newer generation of optiplex as soon as I can get one at a decent price

@ndhudecz Год назад

Will that motherboard take an i7 CPU? I want to put in a full tower.Well mine is the DELL Optiplex 7010 Desktop Computer

@PK-nh6tn Год назад

yes if you haven't figured it out already it definitely will take pretty much any generation of i7 cpu

@donsosa7731 6 месяцев назад

Misleading title. This is not really a swap. its more like just using some parts from the optiplex 9020 sff. It looks like a cool build though

@tylerpayne3396 Год назад

Dose all the wiring work with the new motherboard

@RAVisuals Год назад

absolutely. Its just plug and play

@Leon-ux4sn Год назад

Can I use any case I want? Or only a atx case? Or is it a special case? And if there's any space in the case like in yours, What can I build in there in the free place? I just want a lot of rgb😂

@RAVisuals Год назад

This would actually work best with a micro atx case or a smaller atx case given that the motherboard I change to is micro atx.

@Leon-ux4sn Год назад

Thanks for your response. But I think your case was an atx case and not an micro atx case.so can I also use an atx case?