These rappers started off like that. And have grown into being amazing men. Everyone isn’t perfect. Let’s focus on the growth and stop being negative bitches
Rap music has promoted degeneracy in the black community for years. It is great that they have evolved, but there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that their music has caused damage that we still see today.
Unbothered Queen How have they evolved when they rap about the same thing Or still disrespecting women by policing his 18 year old grown daughters hymen 🤮
Yep! Not to mention, Loni's hypocritical "ain't had a hit since the 90s". Sure, stop putting each other down...but there she is, literally in the same breath doing exactly what she's upset about. Someone's words aren't worth less or less true because they don't have a hit. Let's not value people's words by their wallets.
Why Raven was the only one who got backlash by T.I and other male rappers. Yet they didn't come for the men who made the original post & others who repost it. Why come for the woman, only? Thats sad..
She did sound angry tho. T.I. also made a good point with his Oscar Wilde quote. Idk if anyone is right or wrong. Raven is always on one. She was a loose cannon during her short stay on The View. I think no one was trying to acknowledge her point bc Raven is very opinionated and has this air of entitlement.
Only Jeanie would say that Raven sounds "angry." She wasn't lying, those rappers did perpetuate stereotypes in the black community. I do believe that people change and shouldn't always be judged for their past
This is why they need Amanda Seales. All of them played it safe and would not speak on what the original commentator (not Raven) actually said - and the truth in his statement. And the misogyny behind them attacking Raven and not the guy.
Whewww chile, you can’t ever point out any valid criticisms of the black community without it being misconstrued or dismissed. You may not like it but there was a valid point in the post and none of their responses acknowledged it.
Why are these women protecting these men for the irreversible harm these rappers have done to the race and neighborhood! Let's talk how rap has put some of the worst stereotypes on people of color! What about taking responsibility for what a person artistically produces!
Because they are righting their wrong. They couldn't help what they went though. They spoke about it and lived it. Yes it influenced people to do bad things but at the same time they learned from and are doing better
Raven wasn't wrong at all. They still rap about that stuff, it isn't a part of the past. If they have evolved, then they should evolve in the music also. Everyone deserves a second chance of course, and no one is perfect, and most of us have things in our past we are not proud of and regret...but most of us don't have the platform that they do, so we don't have the influence they do to affect people and younger generations. Then, there's the argument that art has no boundaries because it's art, and artists should not censor themselves for others...the point here, though, is that Raven wasn't wrong at all.
Philanthropy doesn’t wipe out the past misdeeds. I’m with Raven because same standard for everyone. Justine Trudeau was castigated for stuff he did years ago. Also we don’t have to have same opinion because we are all black. And she made it clear it was her opinion, which she is entitled to.
Yeah but if the person that recorded had respect he/she would ask the mom if he/she could put the video on social media cuz you dont put out things like that without their consent
Xd Emanuel lmao it was most likely a teen , who was like a sibling or something . Since I am a teen , I can proudly tell u I wouldn’t care one bit . I would happily post that😄.
Even IF she wasn't the one recording it, she CLEARLY KNEW it was being recorded. Also, to publically post it? That form of "perfect" parenting needs to stop. Those kind of parents need some serious education on parenting because those actions ARE child abuse. Mental & emotional abuse IS NO different than physical abuse. It's no wonder this kid is fighting people when he gets mad if she's teaching him to break things when you're mad. Out of control.
Listen, Raven is telling the whole truth. I love this show but I hate that they only state the popular opinion. The truth is, wrong is wrong and their music isn't a good influence for our children.
You ain’t listen to one thing tam said huh? They are actually doing amazing things for themselves AND for other people in need as well. What they rap about doesn’t matter. Music is just music. Yeah, they call women bitches and hoes in their LYRICS but half of them are married and have beautiful families. There actions speak louder then words.
@@babedavis1263 oh please Ti treats his wife like trash. He's cheated on her multiple times and is controlling. Now look at how he treats his eldest daughter. He has never practiced what he preaches.
@@babedavis1263 What they rap about DOES matter. Those little black girls listen to that music and they hear women being called bitches, hoes, thots, all kinds of nasty things. Sorry, but repentance is about TURNING AROUND and actually changing. The harm their music does isn't erased because they lift someone else up. Tell the little girl harmed by their music that THEY don't matter, because someone else got a hand up.
I also want to note... people were upset about a post that she did regarding an opinion that she did not make herself but that she agreed with... We aren't all gonna agree on things thats just real life but dont bash her for agreeing with the person that originally posted it! And tbh now reading t agin into depth... I see where the original poster is talking about... and I also see why people see the rappers side of things...I do agree that old school rappers did talk about their environment and what they went through and etc. but there’s also new age rappers that do glamorize the use of drugs and sex and alcohol in today’s songs more often than if iit were to happen back in the day... old school rappers rapped about the reality of things going on in the community.... new school rappers glamorize all types of drugs from Molly , Perc, Xanax, Coke & etc
Nope I agree with Raven completely. I'm from the same type of neighborhoods in Brooklyn NY, if the children are seeing these types of behaviors those who have made it out of that type of environment and are now living in the types of environments that are of a better nature than where they were from should produce music that inspires their own people, and would uplift the community. Artists like Lauren Hill, Michael Jackson, even Black eye peas ( I only know a handful of black eye peas music I'm referring to the song "Where is the Love") Five year olds should not be singing about ho's and paper. This kind of music produces more people like this type of degrading behavior. The Bible says "By Beholding you become changed" Go Raven I completely applaud you!
The thing I just realized is the mom broke the controller just to make a GoFundMe... to buy another... the most simple solution would’ve to just take the game away and hide it or something until he gets his act together... she asked for 5 THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU GUYS... for one damn controller that cost maybe 25-40 dollars alone... there’s just no way she thought it was gonna be given like that... that’s ridiculous
Okkkkk but neither of those people; Jay Z, T.I, Diddy etc. aren't necessarily good examples of who I would want my male friends, husband etc. to be. It's not just their music but it's their lifestyle, mind you not all hip hop stars or rappers are like that. What the ladies say aren't wrong but what Raven said isn't wrong either.
There’s a bigger problem with the mother’s outrageous punishment story: *Why was the child suspending for ASSAULTING and VICTIMISING another student in the first place?* Now _THAT’S_ the REAL question and the real underlying issue that needs to be addressed here...
Funny how Adrienne goes waaay back with Raven and acted like they didn't really roll like that. But let it have been a Kardashian, whew child ! She would have staunchly support & defended the post to death.
Looking back on this girl chat, I disagree with the ladies. Raven and Speech said nothing but the truth. The issues listed are the issues we see so much on social media today. It’s almost 2022. And it’s important to say that the songs they’re making now aren’t really topping the charts like the music from back in the day. That would be nice if it did but the reality is .. young men see the way in which they became successful so they will try to follow the blueprints that have been lived out before them. Believe it or not, it’s often times used to justify wrongdoings and whatnot. So, yes they are successful, but they were and are still harmful to the black community, black women especially.
I hope Tam comes back as a special guest sometime 🥺I miss her and her warm gentle energy so so much. Been watching this show since I was 15 and she’s always been such an inspiration to me
Though I see the point of views of Raven, T.I., and the ladies on the View, I am disappointed at the way the women lashed out at another female (Raven), the same way they were saying Raven should not have commented on the photo of the male rappers. Ladies, why don't we respect ourselves and each other. Raven's tweet was 100% on point. However, I also agree that the men in the photo, many have turned their lives around, but many also still sing those derogatory lyrics about black women and the black community. Yes, we can listen to other rappers who are clean and positive, but let's not forget the men in that photo are very influential to our young people today, whether they live that same "truth" they rapped about or not.
The well was and already is poisoned, so the rappers that are trying to be the voice of reason is too late! You've already embedded this image and lifestyle in our young men whilst being rich. They probably have changed, but its going to be hard to convince these young men that it's not a way to live to get where these rappers are!!
That woman, who smashed up the child controller, whilst recording herself doing it, then, having the barefaced cheek to set up a go fund me page, asking for $5,000 to replace an item she deliberately vandalised, that isn't valued at a fraction of what she is asking for, should be prosecuted for forgery, extortion and child endangerment! She is a premeditated crook!
I don’t agree with her but i do appreciate her view and respect it... This isn't a right or a wrong it is a matter of HER opinion and she has the right to her opinion! We always have to “ correct “ or call out somebody because they have a difference of opinion... she feels the way she feels and has the right to voice her opinion and TI has the right to disagree with her... but to come for her and make it about her being on a “ high horse “ it seemed it a bit much... make it about the music and your craft and not about the person who made the post !
You're either a good honest person or a bad dishonest person, anyway you make that choice every single moment of your life. Making mistakes and making bad decisions are 2 completely different things. How do people still make the same fault in using the two? A mistake is something that unintentionally happens when you're unaware of it, like forgetting a ingredient when you're cooking. A decision is something you are aware of, you made, did with intention. Cause if you kill someone, steal, cheat, lie that ain't no mistake, that is a bad decision you made and were aware of. People who use the "I make mistakes" are trying to make it seem less important, like it was nothing. When in reality, it is important, it matters. I agree with the quote "Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future" but in my eyes T.I. was just stepped on his toes and didn't like it and used the quote to make his past actions seem "okay". Raven Symone along with other people just called those rappers out for their horrific bad past decisions and I mean the truth is the truth. It really doesn't help to then pretend it never happened when in fact it did. I mean so far as my knowledge goes, Raven hasn't made any serious bad decisions, so yeah. Her actions/life are/is more honest and pure. She doesn't have blood, lifes on her hands as some of those rappers/people. Cause no matter how positive you may be now, your past actions, decisions are still yours. Cause we aren't focusing here on how they are now, we're telling them their past.
I hear what they are all saying. With that said, a lot of these rappers don’t rap about how bad the gang-life, gun violence, running the streets, etc. was and how they made out of it. Rather, they rap about guns, bi*ches, etc. as if THAT is what got them to where they are at. This then misdirects young boys & girls who think imitating these rappers and this type of lifestyle will get them somewhere, when in reality thinking the street life is cool will get you into trouble.
This is one of the real episodes that I feel like they side one person and not really try to understand or dig deeper on what the other person was saying.
Well i guess it depends on the severity of what the child did. I saw a video of a girl who bullied a girl with cancer so the mum shaved her hair, recorded it and put it online. Stuff like that i wouldnt be too mad about them putting online tbh
That was Cruel! What does the Controller have to do with the Child? That child is a baby and why are they suspending Children this Damm Young? We see were he got the Violence from?
They say that it’s problematic for people to be Bruce Wayne by day perpetuating issues in the world, and once you make your money turn into Batman to try to make up for it.
Raven and Speech spilled. They completely missed the point. The picture wasn’t the problem, nor was it was was being questioned. The integrity of the people in the picture was what came into question. If a kingpin got out the hood by rapping about slanging drugs, then went legal and started a chain of hotels, but only taught children how to sell drugs... that’s a problem. Period. Teach these kids how to make it out, not how to continue the cycle.
This has nothing to do with the topic but I really wanna know what lipstick Adrienne is wearing. Been looking for a red that sheen and shade for so long and never found one!
I was born in the Bronx and was there from the beginning…. It’s how you are now!! I know that if it wasn’t for Bone thugs~n~ harmony I wouldn’t be here! Cleveland’s finest doesn’t get enough for their contribution to music!
Cobi Orr How can a black woman be racist to her own race 😂 u dramatic bish. It was a joke about silly ghetto names (names don’t have races) who would hire any1 with a ghetto name like that anyway
Youndla Dream How can u change when they are still rapping about the same thing And still disrespecting women by policing his 18 year old grown daughters hymen 🤮
I don't know if he has changed or not I'm just saying in general people can change I really don't care for alot of crazyness that comes out of Raven mouth but I do believe she was right about that comment but sometimes some people NEVER CHANGE! 😔
A Gee you were so confident like you know what you’re talking about but clearly you’re uneducated. It’s very much possible to be racist to your own you fucking imbecile 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
The mom lost her mind. I was happy she broke the controller. But to replace it ??? Set up Go Fund Me to replace it??? Crazy as ever. Edit: Tam thank you for your commentary. That would hurt worse! And no Loni this is not child abuse wth.
Real Fact! When I go to work knowing that I will have to do the job of three women because I am a Black Woman in the work force. I listen to "Gangsta Rap" before I go to work and after I get off for strength and to remember who I am as a Human Being!
