Give your 6.5 Creedmoor, Magnum performance! "Need-Moor from the Creedmoor." 

Dave one thing that I’ve learned over the years is that, light weight bullets in a over- bore cartridge 243 Winchester, 6MM Remington 260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor just to name a few speeds up barrel wear if slower burning powders are used. Sure you get more velocity but there’s a trade off a lighter bullet will have more wind drift. History has shown medium to heavy weight bullets are more efficient in over bore cartridge’s. The 6.5 Creedmoor was developed with 140-147 Gr bullets, the 243 100 Gr, the 7MM Rem Mag 160 Gr bullet, 260 Remington 140 Gr.

Dave, I did just that last year. I switched to 120gr. Barnes TTSX bullets! I took three whitetails with them, two does both of them head shoots at 100yds. to 130yds.. The other was a buck at 275yds. I'm using Varget powder at 40grs. 2890fps. It does the trick!!!

Glad you're feeling better Dave and welcome back!

I have not yet started reloading, but this cartridge might be the one that gets me off the ground. Excellent information, I'll look forward to seeing more of your content!

Great video, and info

Great video as always.👍

That last group with h4350 looked really impressive ... Great video Dave

Excellent stuff , thanks

Good video glad you are feeling better

Good video. Nice groups. Seems that you got the data you were hoping for. Also, good to hear that you are felling better, hope you are back to 100% soon. Take care.

Liked. Very educational. 👍👍👌

I really enjoyed this video and your opinions on the matter! We get caught up in the magical numbers of ballistic coefficient and sacrifice speed for the higher bc. I have friends asking me to load these bergers or eld-x bullets because with the higher bc, they should still have enough energy to knock an elk down at 1000 yards! 😂😂😂 the problem is I can load that round, buuut that bullet isn’t going to mean much out of a mossberg patriot with a 3-9x40 bushnell. Gold dots are a real performer on game and are priced at an affordable range. Hopefully this video helps someone look at ballistics from a new angle. I will be forwarding this video to about a dozen of my acquaintances who I think really could learn something from the work you put into this video.

Thank you 😊

Thank you for the great video. It surprises me how many people plod along following the herd mentality of 140 grain 6.5 Creedmoor data and continue to tout published stats as the the holy grail. 120 grain at 2900 fps. with a good expanding bullet is an awesome combination for deer and other like sized animals. Check out the military's solution to their next battle rifle which they are saying will have an 88,000 psi operating pressure for a 140 grain bullet. In my humble opinion Dave's combination would have done everything the new weapon system does with less recoil, less cost, and with considerably less wear and tear on the rifles.

Great video. I believe hunters get confused by the PRS crowd and feel they need 140gr+ bullets including members of my own family. I started shooting a Savage 12FV in 6.5 Creedmoor 4 years ago, I handload so I bought a couple of bags of the cheapest bullets I could find. I settled on PPU 120gr OTM bullets, with a starting charge of Win 748 I was right at 2750fps and was holding .5" - 5 shot groups. I switched to starting charges of 760 and jumped 75fps to 2830 or so. Lastly I tried some Win StaBall 6.5 and worked them up to just over 3000fps. I loaded Hornady 123gr SST bullets over my StaBall charges and went hunting with my Savage on a farms hedgerows. Those loads dropped deer like a laser beam out to just over 300 yards on a few instances. The range I shoot on will allow me a 500 yard shot and those cheap, 120gr PPU bullets continue to group unbelievably to the point my deficiency on the trigger becomes the problem. I have purchased some 129gr Interlock's and will be testing them at around 2850fps which I feel should be a great load for hunting as flat as they shoot., maybe I'll get some 90gr Sierra's and push them up to 3400 for some woodchucks.

Back in the day when I was hand loading for my 6.5x55 Swede I used 129gr Hornady and sometimes the 140gr. I do miss the Sierra 160gr Semi pointed bullet, not very aerodynamic, but a long pill.

BC increases with muzzle velocity. As such shooting the 153 Atip from PRC it never really catches up to 144 class bullets. At 1200 to 1400 yards they are about the same.

With my Creedmoor shooting 143 Grain I am getting 1500 ft/lbs at 500 yards (So I can kill an Elk at that distance and you can only barely kill a deer). That a full 350 more than You! Not to mention the biggest factor that you did not show and by far the hardest to control is wind drift! Move his target even out to only 200 yards and watch his groups open up! Nah, I will take the heavier, higher B.C. bullets over his lightweights every time! BTW the B.C. on my 143's is .625 on the G2 scale compared to his .457. The answer to getting more out of what is NOT a Needmore is a longer Barrel! I like 26". I can push those 143's to 2950 but I get better Case, barrel life and accuracy at 2850 and that's plenty.

Dave, I noticed you shoot groups with the Magnetospeed attached. Do you see any difference in where you groups fall without it attached to the barrel vs. with it attached? The reason I ask is that I had a 308 that grouped higher with the chronograph attached and was told it changes the barrel harmonics.

Dave, how often do you clean barrel? After each range session?

When you find a good node, do you ever mess with seating depth to work on group size? I’m brand new to reloading but have seen this on Erick Cortina’s channel.

Nice video. What is the rifle and barrel length you are using?

Dave, as a sanity check, since you are getting wonderful numbers, perhaps run the values in Gordon's reloading tool (free) or Quickload (popular but fee). I thought I was smart too but ran hot unpublished loads. To my surprise there was a red flag! Now, it's just a modeler but at least it gives some advisement as to if you are getting too hot. BTW nice jacket am completely envious.

Why does Speer not have load data for the 120gr GD in 6.5CM? Only the grendel..

try the 123 Grain Hornady eldm and Hybrid 100 v. it’s a niCe Combo

what primers did you use Sir ?

i noticed you struggling to close the bolt . i found with the creedmoor cartridge for me anyways i have to run my fired brass through a shoulder die then the lee collet die and that gets rid of that problem . adjusting full length sizer wouldn't fix it. !!

Hornady superformence 129 SST is 2950 fps

And honestly a 260 handloads shoot even faster that a needmore and they do make rifles with a 1 in 8 twist also

I shoot a 144g Berger at 2836 or so , at 500 yrds it's still has 1510 ft/lbs of energy , 2174 ft/sec and less wind drift , I'll keep the heavier bullet 😁and I'm 100 ft/sec faster

You can't get the kinetic energy out of a creedmoor to turn into magnum performance because to do that you need to pick a heavier bullets honestly a 6.5 prc is a short magnum and they isn't no way you can get the kinetic energy it produces with a 6.5 prc and that's slow for that bullet weight and a 270 pushes a 130 at 3200 fps

Just buy a 6.5 prc for hunting !! I can read too,,,,