I obviously knew they are two different persons but there were many scenes where he really looked and acted like him, for example when he sang "It's Not Unusual"
Really! I like this episode but I think my favorite season was season 4 because most of the main cast was off at college or other stuff so you got see New York life and back at Lima too. And it was the last season with Cory Monteith ( Finn Hudson)
this is one of THE most powerful scenes of the entire show, the way the suicide is shown but not as graphic and messageless as in 13RW, with that powerful song and performance, this touched me on a different level
With all due respect, 13RW is a different show with different rules and it's own way of doing things. That suicide scene carried a message all it's own. This one sugar coats it by not showing anything. The point of the suicide scene in 13RW is to show that suicide isn't the easy, painless way out people think it is. It's sad, painful, and depressing. That's the way real suicide is. That's real life.
Holocaust Champion99 now you put it like that it makes sense it's an escape and not a painless one either it hurts and I know people who've tried been found like Dave and regretted it for the rest if their live
And THIS dear Netflix.... is how suicide should be shown.... I remember watching this episode and there being a warning at the beginning as well. This was BEFORE 13RW too!!
Everyone knew about 13RW and what kind of content was being shown. Now it's everyone responsibility to decide if they want to watch it or not. Since the beginning when the first reviews were made, everyone knew how shocking that suicide scene was so, since it's not a secret, and the series's classification is +16, automatically it was not supposed to be a family-friendly content. I think neither Netflix and the producer have the fault here.
@@lilyward9390 Exactly! It's like the Bryce Walker thing, the actor that played the role of Bryce, gets hated just because of the role he did. I think it's unfair to him and to all the people around him that ended up getting affected too
and “the funeral” i always cry so much. and the fact that the reason the woman who played jean left was because of real health problems, i literally can’t make it through the whole episode without crying
glee was such an important show, people like to talk shit on it but you cant deny that within throughout its time it tackled and brought alot of real life problems to light. not just problems that you experience through highschool and as a teen, but alot of the extra plot lines such as the coach beast story. wills relationship. emmas OCD. kurts mums death. rachels mum giving her up and so many other things. although it was a show about a choir mainly it had so so many important parts and messages in much like this eppisode dose
Yes! Although I have to say it declined a bit in the later seasons, they talked about so many important and difficult issues that so many other shows don’t do or don’t do right
Yes, but glee also handles some situations in a very negative way such as the school shooting episode. No one ever talks about how Mr.Shue telling his students to text people during the shooting is incredibly dangerous and sends the wrong message to the audience. This show also took molest and texting while driving lightly. I feel like glee either handled issues really well, or really badly.
Jack Cole, I'm no psychologist, but I often find myself pitying the bully. Sure, some can be pure spite, but IMO, many bullies find it difficult to express their emotions or have their own issues that they are suppressing. Of course, we don't know what the influences are. As the saying goes "Don't judge someone until you've put yourself in their shoes."
thsi scene is how its done. it doesnt glamorize suicide at all unlike 13rw. personally this scene “saved” me. karavosky’s dads reaction made me realize i cant do that to my family. glee can be not so great at times but it truly is important.
Thank you for sharing. I got into a dark place too, and I thought of how I couldn't do it to my friends. I could leave my best friend, who's mom had cancer, without her best friend to talk to. I couldn't let my 2 year old cousins grow up without their older cousin to help them. I wish you the best.
I think that some people think this scene is a lot of Dave being over dramatic and talking about "what about Kurt, he experienced so much more and is fine." I think that that is why he chose to try and commit suicide. He was wracked by the guilt of what he had done to Kurt and all the other people he had bullied before. In that moment he wasn't just feeling pain over the situation, he was thinking about all the cruel shit he had done. I'm guessing his thoughts were along the line of "I have done such horrid things I deserve to die," not him just being selfish. In that moment he thought that the better decision for the people around him was for him to kill himself so that's what he tried to do.
I was thinking the same thing. What they did to him hurt him deeply, but at the same time, he realized this is how Kurt felt for YEARS because of him. Between the pain and the guilt, he couldn't take it
Im super late replying to this lmao, but YES. Along with a few others (one of my absolute favourites was smooth criminal). While not every song was great, there’s a few gems that just really make you step back and... appreciate. Like truly reflect and appreciate. Plus the way they handled suicide and things in this episode it’s just *chefs kiss*
I am grateful that Max Adler portrayed this character and episode on the show. It must have been a tough role. Darren Criss sings this song beautifully --I feel like a lot of the best songs were given to Darren.
Darren's older brother Chuck passed away due to suicide. I instantly thought about this song when I heard about the heartbreaking news. Rest in peace, Chuck Criss. My deepest condolences to Darren and his family. Sending lots of love and prayers.
Same - I somehow JUST stumbled upon the news about Chuck almost randomly today (I guess I hadn't realized how relatively out of the Darren loop I'd been more recently), and along with being absolutely gutted, I definitely thought of this scene and how all at once it hits really, really differently 💔 Rest in peace, Chuck, and aaaall the love and light to Darren, Mama Criss, and all his other loved ones
Can we stop comparing kurt and David's pain? Like just because kurt dealt with something longer doesnt mean he is stronger. Depression and suicidal thoughts are serious and their different for everyone. Pain is pain and you cant measure it. Stop comparing people's reactions to their own emotions to an example of how strong they are please.
I’m not defending Dave, but he’d been hurting for a long time, just hiding who he was in general. It’s what caused him to hurt Kurt in the first place. And Kurt is strong, but before glee club Kurt was near that point as well. You can’t say one hurt more than the other, and you can’t say neither were strong. In the end both of them came out on top and I’m proud of them both.
@@Siegfried1917 the fact of it is, Kurt did deal with it longer, but he had a support system to help keep him afloat. As soon as it came out that David was gay, even before he knew it had, what he used as a support system didn't just crumble, it turned on him. Kurt had people and he knew he did. David didn't. Did he do that to himself? It doesn't matter. He thought he had people he could trust and they all were so unworthy of that in the end.
I cried on this episode so hard. I mean like I couldn't stop. it was probably the fact that I went through this and the emotions that have been inside for this long just came up and out.
The fact that he wanted to be in his best clothes when people found him was heartbreaking, i don't know why. It's like he wanted to look presentable even in death. Also, when it showed the planes i started to tear up. It not only symbolized hanging yourself, it also showed how he was just a kid that had toys like planes. It made the character so much more vulnerable.
I always thought that was more about wanting to be in the airforce as a kid, which he wouldn't have been able to do after being outed (i remember they posted stuff about him being gay online) because of Don't Ask Don't Tell (which I think actually got repealed not long before this aired).
@@mikeynolikey9747 You like D&D, Audrey Hepburn, Fangoria, Harry Houdini and croquet. You can't swim, you can't dance and you don't know karate. Face it, you're never gonna make it.
This scene is what you’d call “heartbreakingly beautiful” It doesn’t glorify anything he is doing, the actor is phenomenal! But it’s one of those scenes that makes you cry every time. Darrens vocals in the background really top it off! Honestly this is beautiful in a weird way
As a closeted lesbian who is being made fun of and laughed at and with depression, this hits home base. After seeing this I understand that my attempts have been bad decisions and if anyone is going through this like I am just remember, all the shit talkers are sandpaper, they may hurt now but one day you will be polished and new and they will be useless.
Thank you for sharing your story and encouraging everyone who is just like you. Isn’t the sandpaper quote given by Chris Colfer? I love that quote a lot. Very encouraging.
i hope in the last 9 months since you've posted this, things have gotten beter for you. but either way, know that you are loved and cherished, even by people like me that you don't know at all. I've never met and i don't know you, but i'm glad that you're staying strong, because one day, you'll be amazing, and those assholes hurting you will be miserable trash
Fandom Geek I'm gender fluid / gay and I have cut and tried some shit so I also know how it feels, so as always, LGBT Bros/sis stick together. Lmao that was really cringe but oh well
I remember this starting when I was watching the episode and thinking "wow, I love this song, I bet Darren is gonna kill it! I'm ready to get a little bit teary!" but I started full on sobbing because of karofsky
this was Glee at his high peaks. If you know anything about suicide prevention and how to portray it in media, this here is a superb example. It doesn't glamorize the suicide, it doesn't dwell on showing shocking images that could be triggering - it doesn't focus on the wrong doers that much but on the victim's conflict - and the scene where his dad finds him perfectly shows everyone what they might leave behind when they think about doing it.
Santana!! And it's hard for me to admit it because I hate her, but Rachel have some really good covers. She has an amazing voice. But for real, Santana has the best covers
There was something I noticed about this scene. When comparing this with the studio recording that got released, you can see that this version speeds up more. It starts portraying a sense of urgency, and that the emotion is bigger. The dynamics are louder, also sending that message of big emotions. Smart of the crew to incorporate this song that way.
ikr?? i remember watching this for the first time and before they panned the camera to show what was written on karovskys locker, i had an inkling someone had written Gay or queer... but shit didn't think they'd write something as vulgar as "Fag" . made me cry 😞
this episode is honestly so sad and it breaks my heart because i always had so much support when i came out and it's so sad to think of all of the people who would rather die then come out :(
I came out to just a couple of my closest friends, who proceeded to treat me horribly because of it. I decided then and there not to come out to anyone else.
Cod3_Break3r im so sorry :( but they obviously aren’t true friends if they treat you differently because of it i hope you can find better friends ❤️❤️❤️
Yeah. When I came out, my closest friends supported me, but there were always those few homophobic kids in school who decided it was a good idea to call me slurs and tell me I was sinning.
Whoever directed this needs an award. The slow motion as he realised what was written, it speeding up as he started taking it in and panicking, the shots changing with the beat, him in different spots of his room contemplating his life, and the well done, non-graphic heartbreaking attempt. So well done.
Jeremy Wilson that is exactly what I’ve been doing like I’ve never had difficulty watching scenes like this in other shows but Glee just hits differently
I’m a forty-something year old man and I’ll tell you this…I was dragged into watching Glee yet I’ve never cried so much over any show. What a stunning show. The laughter (Sue Sylvester, Jesus thank you for the laughs), the tears, the deaths. Christ what a tragic rollercoaster, where people we loved in the show died in tel life…And Puck, that includes you. So sad.
Infinite props to Darren Criss and Max Adler (who plays Karofsky). Darren provided some of the best vocals of the show on this song, and Max played the hell out of this scene. I feel like he doesn't get enough credit for how well he portrayed the pain and desperation Karofsky is going through in this moment. Wow. Gives me chills every time.
Karofsky ended up being one of my favorite minor characters besides probably Burt hummel. Because even later on when he and Blaine were dating and he realized that Blaine was still in love with Kurt he accepted it. He didn’t get mad or accuse Blaine of cheating. He accepted it and told him to go be with the person he loved. And I really respect that about him. Also this scene is so powerful.
I hate that he was a minor character. Kurtofsky had all the potential and fodder for enemies to lovers and they went the cliche consolation prize route. Blaine isn’t even Kurt’s type. Season 1 his type was established and they retconned it so they could shoehorn in the Klaine nonsense.
"Cough Syrup" Life's too short to even care at all I'm losing my mind losing my mind losing control These fishes in the sea they're staring at me A wet world aches for a beat of a drum If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I, I should have found by now I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down, come down. Life's too short to even care at all I'm coming up now, coming up now out of the blue These zombies in the park they're looking for my heart A dark world aches for a splash of the sun If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I, I should have found by now And so I run now to the things they said could restore me Restore life the way it should be I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down Life's too short to even care at all I'm losing my mind losing my mind losing control If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I, I should have found by now And so I run now to the things they said could restore me Restore life the way it should be I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down One more spoon of cough syrup now One more spoon of cough syrup now
I loved this scene where it really shows the impact of bullying,and internal shame and guilt that lead up to suicide attempt because it happens everyday,every minute. It's an eye opener....but sadly people still close their eyes to this kinda thing.
The dressing up before unliving yourself gets me. One night two or three years ago I lost hope, put on my favorite dress, did my makeup and wrote a goodbye note and what stoped me was that I still had unpaid bills and a messy room. I didnt wanted to leave a mess behind. Now I am here, still not okai, not at all, but still gratefull. The dressing up has me in tears.
I hope you know how amazing you are and how valuable your life is💓I’m so sorry you are struggling at the moment and I hope things turn for the better with you❤️
I know that Dave had a bad past with Kurt but he got a little taste of what he was doing to Kurt and he felt how much pain it is but not even Dave deserves that but I'm glad Kurt went to make him feel better about himself
B.M Undercover he didn’t deserve THAT! That was much worse than Kurt! Someone wrote the “word” on the locker walls, and everyone had sent him so much worse notes than Kurt. I’m so sad for karofsky
He actully said at the hospital that he was really sorry that he had builded Kurt for so long and that he couldn't handle it in one week and now realiced what a bad person he had been
I don't believe anyone deserves to feel as bad as Dave did. I know he was an absolute d!ck to Kurt, but nobody deserves to be bullied to the point of suicide. That amount of depression and self-loathing is unbearable.
I’ve cried 4 times watching glee. This is one of them. The other 3 are: The school shooting threat, when Finn dies and when they perform finn’s favourite songs at nationals
When Dave was getting a belt I kind of started to panic and then he he was just getting dressed and I kind calmed down then he got another belt and I saw the chair and him climb it and then the only thing I actually cared about was if he was ok and for half of the ep I was wondering why he was dressing up then I realised he was basically dressed for his funeral... and I started to cry
This is the one of THE most powerful scenes of the entire show, the way the suicide is shown, but not as graphic and messageless as in 13RW, with powerful song and perfomance, this touched me on a different level.
🎼🎤🎻 *Lyrics* 🎼🎤🎻 Life's too short to even care at all oh oh, I'm losing my mind, losing my mind, losing control These fishes in the sea they're staring at me oh oh oh oh oh A wet world aches for a beat of a drum Oh If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I... should have found by now I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down, come down Life's too short to even care at all oh, I'm coming up now, coming up now, out of the blue oh oh oh These zombies in the park they're looking for my heart oh oh oh oh oh A dark world aches for a splash of the sun oh oh oh oh If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I... should have found by now So I run now to the things they said could restore me Restore life the way it should be I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down Life's too short to even care at all oh oh, I'm losing my mind, losing my mind, losing control If I could find a way to see this straight I'd run away To some fortune that I... should have found by now So I run now to the things they said could restore me Restore life the way it should be I'm waiting for this cough syrup to come down One more spoon of cough syrup now oh oh One more spoon of cough syrup now oh oh.
I wish I could just go inside of my screen and hug Dave repeatedly. Then go find all of those horrible guys and punch them over and over until there was nothing left but a bunch of piles of bloody mush. Sorry, I got a little carried away there. But it's completely true nonetheless.
Literally never related to a comment so much like I just want to hug him this makes me cry my eyes out every single time I watch it without fail it’s so so sad
Technically he got some of his own medicine, which I think is the point of the song that they chose. He did that to Kurt and Blaine but now he knows what it’s like.
@@neovelvet me, lol. Love the song, hate the cover, hate the cover-er. I feel like Kurt or Santana should've sung the song. Kurt having been suicidal in the past and having been bullied by Karofsky, I would've listened to that shit for hours. Santana because I think her voice would go really well with the song, she also knew that Karofsky was gay and found it out all by herself. That's the kinda stuff I love, but of course, you can have your opinions
Everyone love yourself no matter what sexuality u are. No one can control u and if they think they own u then they are far from it. U are beautiful in every way.
CHILLS everytime. I'm a suicide attempt survivor , and the way Dave did this scene is painfully accurate. That is literally how I felt when I attempted all those years ago. Alone and sobbing trying to be quiet. This is probably my favorite moment in the show and the song with Blaine's emotions is just incredible.
By far one of THE best scenes in this entire show, and definitely one of the best songs. That, Hold Your Hand and Come What May were my absolute favorites in the show over all. It was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time, and felt so real, so genuine.
i cried so hard when i first watched it knowing that this was me, thinking that the only way out was death. even now i still cry because its painful and a reminder to me that things get better
This was one of the hardest scenes for me to handle! I came out in high school and I tried to take my life as well. This scene broke my heart!!!! And touch my soul! It gets better. It really does!
This scene just completely works. The message, the emotion, Max's acting, the choice of song and Darren's performance. Everything about it was thoughtfully executed. Props to everyone involved in creating this scene both in front and behind the scenes.❤️
I love Darren Criss/Blaine with all my heart. He’s voice is amazing, this cover was his best. You can feel and see the emotion through him, it’s beautiful
This is one of the most powerful scenes and best songs of the whole show in my opinion. I think it was directed so well. They close ups of the planes on the ceiling hit me particularly hard.
