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@Kingshuk Monsur but he never beat Jackie Chun.

@And then they said but goku never knew he was roshi

He knows Saitama exists

Monaka

Kingshuk Monsur hé means master roshi

The rail gun piercing him when he lowered his guard was, also, a direct callback to that very same scene. It had been established even back in dragonball classic, that a sufficiently strong character ready for it could easily tank bullets- yet, in Z, we see an unprepared super Saiyan can get hurt by a small rock as though he were a normal person. Gonna be the devil's advocate for this one, and say that Whis SPECIFICALLY targetted Goku when he was this relaxed- precisely because that's exactly the training he state he was looking for: being able to react and instantly mount your defense / dodge while relaxed. If you look at how Ultra Instinct behaves, it looks rather chill when adverting attacks, much unlike how Super Saiyan and up barges through them.

@@bragnir you took the words from my mouth

@@bragnir I always see people bring up characters tanking bullets in DB, but it never makes sense to me. Goku is still stung a bit by bullets when his guard is down, and it's not like his skin is hardening as he gets stronger. When Bulma shoots him as a kid, it stings him, it is 100% reasonable that still as an adult, with his guard down in his base form, he would still feel a similar sting. Frieza's laser was probably a lot stronger than a bullet, and it's no more of a stretch to suggest that Frieza, with his advanced alien technology, could develop a weapon to kill a weakened Goku, than it is to suggest that Gero, a guy who's robots he made in his prime were just canon fodder for Goku, could create robots able to completely destroy super saiyans with ease.

@@melon6444 DB feats are a bit unreliable because of how Toriyama forgets about stuff and then pulls new stuff out of his ass every other day. However, the whole tanking bullets and yet being stung by them thing has been more or less mainstreamed as "being ready for it" vs "not so". DB characters use their ki for pretty much everything: speed, attack, energy attacks and yes: defense. A super saiyan who's, for some reason, NOT using his ki to enhance his defense can very much get one-shot by a farmer with a shotgun. An early reference to this where characters can be clearly seen getting prepared for such attacks, is the demon king piccolo saga in the original dragonball: when Launch shoots Tambourine (I think that was his name- it's been years) with her uzi- he actively prepares to tank them.

Melon 64 I guess Son Goku could not control his power back then, so it was always on.

I've been disappointed to find out how many people seem to want to shit on Goku just for the sake of it. Truth be told, I think those people do it solely because DBZA does.

@@werecactus6 yeah. vegeta is shown off as this genius hard core badass who is the picture of perfection no matter the mistake he's made and is always praised no matter what. and like you said ppl like to shit on goku cause its normal to hate on everything. people are so stupid its sad and annoying.

@@davidempey8980 Don't get me wrong, I love Vegeta. He's super interesting and entertaining. But people forget that the whole point of him as a character is that as smart as he is, he's always wrong. They also forget that Goku is very well liked by his friends, because he's nice to them and he brings out the best in them. The franchise doesn't work without this--every single person in his group started out hostile towards him, but he won them over. That's what he DOES.

@@werecactus6 i always thought vegeta was a strong but boring person but that's just me. but i did have the thought that uub might replace goku someday. goku and vegeta can't go on forever.

Not like we have had over 30 years with his character or anything right ?! 🙄

Like the one thing he kept from his Sayian lineage was the love for fighting. He loves to fight people and get stronger and then fight stronger people

The problem is that it's one of the biggest thing he is not. His humility is a big part of his character.

Personally I think this overconfidence thing is more of arguing semantics over actual portrayal. Because Goku still is the overeager warrior looking for a challenge in Super. I don't think the writers meant overconfidence as in the condescending kind Vegeta shows but more of the "he loves to let his guard down to enjoy every fight" kind Goku always has shown. In the Universe 6 Tournament and Tournament of Power he never really writes anyone off just because he know he knows he can win, he genuinely is looking forward for each fight he's in and to enjoy the most of it he had to suppress himself especially when he was low on energy towards the end. I just think that it was a poor choice of words on the writers' part.

Exactly. You get it. He's the humble guy who won't back down from a fight no matter the odds because he loves the challenge. Vegeta wasn't the grinder. He was the Prodigy. Goku was the grinder, the underdog. They changed their mind and now it's all flipped.

@@adarshbs7259 I would argue that it's rightfully flipped. Vegeta was born a prodigy while Goku or Kakarot was born average. But as Vegeta said during the Buu Saga, he only fought for the pleasure of vanquishing his enemies, while Goku only trained to better himself. Being a low-class warrior there was nobother way for Goku to get stronger but to keep training. Vegeta was taught an extrospective philosophy, you're power level reading tells you that you're either weak or strong so the strong can rule over the weak and the ones that didn't cut it should be the ones following. Goku was taught an introspective philosophy, there's always someone stronger so no matter how strong you get you can always aim higher. Both of them recognise that there are stronger peopl3 but Vegeta views strength in a malicious way and Goku views strength in a humble way, and of course Goku hitting his help did help him develop that kindness in the first place. This is why Goku was considered a genius even though Vegeta was the prodigy all the way back in the Cell Saga. Goku immediately realised the problem of forcefully ascending past Super Saiyan and as a martial artist having trained with many masters he knows speed and strength can never be substituted for one another. While Vegeta knew too but unlike Goku who saw the retaining the regular Super Saiyan transformation as a path to release his full potential Vegeta still was looking for a transformation that gave immediate power because that was the only way he knew how to get stronger, Vegeta saw how the gravity chamber made Goku stronger and he thinks spamming it will make him surpass Goku, same with the time chamber. Vegeta's problem is he only knows how to get stronger with the methods shown to him unlike Goku who is always seeking out other ways and people to teach him. In that sense he's more rigid and less flexible than Goku and that's how he became the grinder. Fortunately after the Tournament of Power Vegeta has realised this and is seeking his own way to get stronger.

It sucks how backwards his development is in modern Dragonball because he seemed so mature and wise(as much as can be expected from Goku) in the Buu saga. Its as if Super undone all of that progression.

ReeceHoward06 wrong. He’s just more of himself in Super rather than the guy that messed everything up in the Boo arc

@@ReeceHoward06 he's a flat character there never has been any development

@@ReeceHoward06 I wouldn't say wise but definitely mature

@@newdawnhorizon9879 cap

Milky Pal time to make that a tattoo quote on my arm

Except it wasn't his doubt, his power *was* cut in half from that hit. Which should show you how much stronger he was than super perfect cell. XD

@@imglidinhere Yes,but It also came from Gohan doubt In himself(since he isn't a fighter like Goku,or any of the Z fighters)and the fact that he didn't want to endup destroying the planet as a result of him going all out.

i just cant hack it dad im just a kid I havent changed not at all-gohan then goku:" would you stop attacking yourself idk where you got it in your head that there's something wrong with you cuz there's not you've saved my life and our friends life so many times and your going to do it again right now. Then cell go " what on earth are you mumbling about chanting a little prayer before you die." I have dbz lines in my memory forever

To be fair, Gohan's only LITERAL weakness was his doubt in that entire arc lol.

Not even then. Have you ever seem him not finish a plate?

@QUEENDOM arrogant is a part of overconfidence. What school did you attend?

Agreed, vagina is overconfident...

(Go go grab a bowl intensifies)

@@akanoctal Vagina? 😂😂😂 I thought it was Vegeta.

I'd say he's not dumb, but uneducated. He grew up in the woods, alone for years. Also, I don't think he ever got treatment for his brain damage as a child.

Goku is definitely educated. But he was educated by the nature and life around him.

What the people before me said.. And yes he wants to get stronger, he is a fighter but he never in DB and Z put his fighting obsession get in the way when his friends or people (earth or whatever) needed him. So when the situation needed him to be focust.. he was pretty damn focused and calculative as shown in the video i.e. against Frieza.

@@aaronkasarion8144 That's not education

Just Some Guy without a Mustache then you never understood the show. Goku is a mystery

Get out of every comment section

He’s definitely not unintelligent

@@deusfusion7945 when it comes to fighting he's not. He's a genius

Goku is a strategist, he's smart in terms of fighting. Goku is the kind of guy that does good in things that are only important to him.

He didn't even think about Gohan feelings until Picollo yelled them at his face.

Geo “From Goku’s (VERY) peculiar point of view.” There’s a reason I specified that.

It’s also a great contrast from Vegeta who abandoned his son and focused on making himself stronger instead. You get a perfect view of their philosophies and how they differs in that arc.

@@geo4290 You really didn't understand what he said x2 xd

@@juliandavidhoffer2022 Yeah. I mean, Goku still had something to learn about fatherly love due to his ingenuity (namely: letting your son suffer randomly is NOT good), but he had his heart in the right place.

Good point

The writers of Dragon Ball Super arent smart enough to write a mentor character being wrong about someone he's supposed to be teaching

That would be worst in my opinion. Angles in Dragon Ball (i.e the Dragon Ball Wiki) "are beings of extremely high status within the hierarchy of the multiverse. Their role is to guide and teach Gods of Destruction to master their destructive capabilities as well as also serving them as their personal attendants." Any being that's meant to guide literal Gods should be omnipotent, which Whis has shown through everything he does. Claiming him to not understand someone like Goku or anything in general, especially after observing him for about 6 months, would be counterintuitive to everything he's suppose to be. Him being wrong about something so simple pretty much destroys his status as Angel. If want to be meta about it, Toriyama didn't give a shit.

​@QUEENDOM In the Raditz fight, he doesn't let go of Raditz' tail as if he wants to fight him more. He knows he's going to lose without help in that fight. He does that because Raditz pleads for his life saying they're brothers. And it's more of a hesitation than purposely letting go.

@QUEENDOM I didn't say Goku is flawless or that he made mistakes. I'm just arguing about the reason he let go of Raditz' tail. I agree that Piccolo was the superior fighter, but now he's way behind. Unfortunately.

Before super Goku wasn’t overconfident. But every time Gohan is stronger then somebody he ends up fucking it up

Vanish Hero Gohan is also overconfident till he lacks any confidence.

Yeah and Goku saw Gohan transfrom before anyone and knew he could beat Cell how is that overconfident that's facts

@@Chriso22 Yeah, I like the point in this video that confidence and overconfidence are two different things. Confidence is based on facts, while over confidence is based on ego.

Funny you ignore how he gave Cell a Senzu before that

and kai maybe edit: this reply doesn't make much sense

TheWildStereotypicalHam I like Kai better than Z

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Abubakar jamro not any more

Poldi GT is the bastard child of the franchise

Then SSJ Broly pummeled Frieza for like an hour, since Goku and Vegeta messed up the fusion dance twice, and that fusion method lasts 30 minutes.

jruler93 Props to Frieza for that God tier durability

Tbh i expected more from a mortal that blocked a hakai

@@donkeycheese8098 I expect more from a mortal that can create hakai

Autistic Duck I mean we kinda already knew about it from Namek, dude got hit by a spirit bomb, kicked from Kaioken, cut in half, got hit by a full super saiyan blast, and got blown up with a planet. All of that and Frieza was still alive.

This.

But goku still has moments of overconfidence

Seemed to be the opposite dynamic in resurrection F. Frieza powered down from his golden form and goku let his guard down thinking it was over. Vegeta actually attempted to finish frieza.

@@phantomface9211 that isnt him being overconfident just stupid and naive

@@phantomface9211 lowering your guard isnt overconfidence did you watch the vid vegeta even in resurrection f is overconfident

I don't remember what Whis says in the Japanese version (a.k.a. original text), but either way, the English dub was misleading, being a literal translation or not.

@@argolds and thus I'm going to advocate the "make sure we got this right by talking with our staff in Japan" stance. Seriously, it's a big scene that they f**ked up by what I can assume is a lack of communication and double checking the scripts translation, which would have been easy to fix considering that they should already be doing this.

Not 100 % sure, but I believe "too relaxed" was also what Whis said in the German Dub. It would make way more sense. Against Piccolo (Jr) he was very fast too relaxed and Piccolo managed to hit him with a mouth beam through his shoulder. In the fight with Freeza, it happened twice. He turned off supersaiyan and flew away, and he got (almost) hit by Freeza's Destructo Disk. Later when he gave Freeza his engery, he also let his guard down. He managed to counter Freezas beam attack, but it was very close. You could even advocate he was too early too relaxed with Radditz. A special case is his fight with (Majin) Vegeta, because he thought he could trust him, but in the end Goku was too early too relaxed.

Aah so this could just be a translation error. Makes sense.

Same in Catalan dub

No. This describes him the very best. This is how this character is. If You don't understand why it's the best description of Goku, You don't understand the character. Because that's his MAJOR trait. That makes him being Goku. He mades his decisions because of that trait.

@@Netsuki how is Goku selfish? Almost every fight after Cell vs Gohan, Goku has given to others.

@@artypyrec4186 because in my opinion, despite goku saving the earth countless of times, that isnt to say a lot of unnecessary things happened. goku a lot of the times in battles will get over exuberant because the opponent hes fighting is incredibly strong, and this will lead to goku a lot of the times making the selfish decision, which has cost people their lives, to at times prolong the fights because goku is just worried about the fight and his opponent. just my two cents

@@artypyrec4186 Because Goku literally called himself selfish early on. That's the real reason he asked Krillin to spare Vegeta. Because he wanted to fight him again. He knew how much of a bad idea it was, that Vegeta might never change, and he might go on to try to destroy the world and hurt more people. But still he *begged* Krillin to let him have that second chance to battle such a worthy opponent.

rhonda howard The reason why the trait of selfishness is a misnomer on Goku’s character, is because Goku is ultimately good. Not only that but Goku strongest character trait is naïveté, something people always mistake for selfishness. Not only that saving Vegeta proved to be a critical vital moment to help out Goku’s friends later on in their fight against The Ginyu force against the Frieza Force soldiers and ultimately against Frieza himself, on planet Namek. The vast majority of fans who don’t like Goku‘s character try to use the “selfish“ argument against Goku‘s character. But to no avail. If Goku makes one decision that ultimately everyone must suffer, with no redeemable qualities in sight, then it should easily be deemed a selfish act. But if that decision in turn helps he himself or any of his friends for the positive that decision was a positive. I.e. non-selfish decision. I get it, Goku did say “I know it’s selfish” when talking to his best friend about sparing Vegeta’s life. However again my argument kicks in, Goku‘s decision to spare Vegeta’s life turned out to be the ultimate win for himself and his friends. If Vegeta were dead, Gohan and Krillin would also be dead. Because they wouldn’t have had the power level to take on The Ginyu Force, alone. Vegeta provided the perfect back up to save their lives. A lot of fans like to try and find negatives within Goku because they hate his character to either some minor or major degree, it’s that simple. If this weren’t true then Mark wouldn’t of had to of been forced to make a video where countless fans call out Goku for being overconfident when in reality.. I for plethora of years have been stating the opposite. Goku has never been overconfident. He has always known what he is able to do, and because of his caution, and due to his proper training he’s been able to push himself far beyond the limitations that anybody else ever has. It’s kind of sad, because this just goes to show people only see what they wanna see. And even if you have someone like totally not Mark, myself or someone else who can show them undeniably that they are wrong, people will still choose to believe that they are right despite knowing they are wrong. And they will make excuses for it.

And even then Is not misplaced since he ALWAYS learns new things.

He learned Ultra Instinct in 45 mins...

Like varying degrees of pain?

he learned kamehameha in minutes when it took roshi years to master.

@@juliorenteria7138 he's been learning ultra instinct since he met whis

Yeah and even then he actually had a few reasons: 1. He was literally 15 2. He had just killed the guy who had been hyped up to be the strongest ever 3. He had no reason to think Popo could fight and Popo really doesn’t look threatening. (And by that point he could detect power levels, at least to some extent.)

@@MarioLuigi0404 yes he might have reasons but still overconfident

@LiL Speng a logical conclusion yes but that doesn't take away from the fact that goku was overconfident. Goku even said himself that it would be an easy fight and calls it a fluke when popo lands the 1st punch. This is exactly how arrogant goku was when he fought beerus.

@LiL Speng was vegeta not arrogant when he let cell reach his perfection? Was vegeta not overconfident when he was about to finish frieza in resurrection f?

@LiL Speng goku in super is not the same character i agree. Hes an idiot in super. Thus far you have said nothing to disprove goku's overconfidence against popo. He thought it would be an ez fight and i could understand why. I would be overconfident in that fight but overconfidence is overconfidence no matter the age or mind state.

Seriously though, this is a great video. I fucking love these.

Emphasis on “Obliterate”

Because people were wrong. And he was right about them being wrong. It's literally the same I try to say to Vegeta/Gohan fanboys| Goku haters. For years. Or longer. But people literally refuse to understand that facts.

@@Netsuki it's an anime take it easy lol

@@MrMultiPat wym, that's totally NOT Mark...

It’s funny cause at the time Whis barely knew Goku

Yeah, just ‘cause you’re the mentor doesn’t mean you can absolutely ascertain the truth about your student. Which is the point Mark made in last week’s video on Whis.

Honestly, I think the biggest piece in why people still think why Goku is overconfident instead of being Naïve, is not watching the og Dragon Ball. Sure, in terms of world building and plot development, Dragon Ball isn't needed at all. But in terms of character development, its a goldmine on what makes the character (mostly Goku and Krillin in DBZ) themselves. Had people seen og Dragon Ball, they would know why Goku is really naïve and innocent. I mean shoot, he didn't even know girls existed for 12-13 years (forgot his exact age in the start of Dragon Ball) and had to "Cupcheck" them to see if they were a Boy or Girl.

@@oH_._ He knew girls existed just nothing else about them

@@juliorenteria7138 Right right. He knew them just didn't know how they looked like. Cause I remember Goku saying his Grandpa told him about girls.

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Correction: Cartoon Character makes *incorrect* statement

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@@LJ-hk4tv Correction: Anime Character: ||makes statement||

@@obiwankenobi1608 No

I once saw him kill a man with a ki blast a single fucking ki blast

Kinda oximoronic when you think of selfishness and honor in the same sentence.

@@joshuablackmon939 how so? A swordsman can be selfish and still get what he wants with honor and respect.

I can't agree he is selfish. Naive, yes, selfish? There were three moments he was selfish or arguably so, and a bonus. 1. Wanting Vegeta to live. And he asked his friends for this once to indulge him. What kind of selfish person is consientious enough that what they are asking is a lot? A selfish person would demand and not see how they are asking too much at all. And it's not like they hadn't just beaten Vegeta starting with a handicap and couldn't do it again Vegeta knew he had to get better to get back on them and so would Goku. 2. Frieza. Just mentioning because insist on that. Goku's mind was altered by the new form, and he was fighting Frieza. He could feel Friezas power, he could compare to his and nd know even going double wouldn't measure up to himself. That might be arrogance, sayan saddism even, but not selfish. And later he naively thought Frieza would repent. Naive, not selfish. When Frieza proved even to his thicc skull he was not gonna change, Goku promptly tried to kill him for everyone's sake. 3. Super, with its infinite fanservicing writing and dialogue, but that is already super and we are saying super gets goku wrong. Bonus. Leaving with Uub. I could arguee that to his mind his kids are adults and do not need him anymore, Uub does, and that is a guy who crosses the globe in less than a second or he instantly teleports for a visit... Whose kids also can cross the globe in an instant to visit him. Sooo selfish if we ignore the actual character and world like DBGTs first episode did. But ya know, if granpa decides for once to be genuinely selgish in his old age, that doesn't make grandpa selfish, ffs he earned it

@@louisvictor3473 You have a sound arguement but, I don't think that it proves that he isn't selfish. He made multiple risky decisions against his friend's judgement just to indulge himself such as sparing Vegeta, letting Freiza reach 100%, letting Freiza live, putting Gohan against Cell, healing Cell, the TOP, and whatever else happened in GT ..cause I forgot. While I think he isn't selfish enough to cause harm intentionally, you gotta admit, in his pursuit of strong opponents, he can be pretty selfish and sometimes even destructively so.

@QUEENDOM Arrogant or overconfident, their both percieved as wrong, so whats your point? its not like one trait is infinitly worse then the other one. who gives a shit? Having proof of your words or actions still make you end up less empathetic towards others if your acting arrogant "OR" over-confident. And speaking of Goku, he actually wanted to give Vegeta a chance to kill Kid buu while he could easily kill him in his SSj3 form "before" his spirit bomb, but instead he was "naive" and let his chance to kill Kid Buu slip which made the situation even worse..

@QUEENDOM I'd have to disagree here. Based on the definition of overconfident, Vegeta is both quite arrogant and quite overconfident. He consistently sizes up his opponents and deems them to be the less superior fighter, but then goes to get his ass handed to him. There are several times where Vegeta manages to keep his overconfidence at bay, but there are also plenty of times he straight up egos his way into a tough lesson in humility.

Wut

wong feimun HOW DO U STUPID

the series tried at least 2 TIMES to establish something to replace the treath of death, once in the Buu saga with the whole "if you die while being already dead, that's it dude. game over" and the other in Super with "erasure from existence". Yet both times the series didn't had the _balls_ to keep it up

@@tomasparant8901 well the super db's can do literally anything lol.

Again This is How The writers fucked up In legit every Scenario where goku knew or thought that he would lose.........Then he would admit that shit #Cell #Buu when Ssj2 #Vegeta, Goku said he might lose #Buuhan, Goku knew he had to fuse in order to gain any sort of chance of winning But In super they Went with Toriyami’s “OG” What Toriyami wanted storyline for Dbs which fucked everything up

Byte man Are you okay in the head? in your own links they are not the same definition or stand in for each other. The word being related doesn’t mean it’s the same definition . In that dictionary.com link type in sex, words related is manliness and manhood didn’t know they have the same definition as sex. Take a second to think about what you are saying before you type something because you feel intelligent. Used your links btw, so if you looking for my facts click your own links.😂🤦🏾‍♂️

By the way you can be reckless by being overconfident. That’s prolly what you were thinking I’m guessing still don’t mean the same thing.

@Byte man Wow imagine stating something then sourcing links that entirely refute your initial point like that. Did you get hit in the head as a child?

Future Trunks arc in DBSuper

@Byte man Are you trolling?

Yeah, basically he wanted to completely break Frieza’s spirit. Which, albeit in an evil and twisted way, was the true source of his power.

Hey you're right what the fuck ?

Yeah, it’s like his arms are backwards.

Ha i noticed that too

Philip kelton perhaps. When I hear overconfidence I think arrogance which is as mark stated, more so a vegeta trait.

It might also just be Whis not quite understanding Goku as well as he thinks he does.

That's what I was thinking. Wies uses the word "naive" instead of "overconfident" and mark doesn't have an episode anymore

like i said, this seems more of a misstranslation than anything else, considering that this is at first a JAPANESE show. Japanese people are seen as "overconfident" when they are just "relaxing" their society is built on that principle, if you are not doing anything, you are lazy.

@@Gadlight 100% like for instance When Akira Toriyama says that he was lazy while making the manga. We all know that is not true because he putting out the manga weekly. he meant he had to cut corners to make his deadline but he called it being lazy. Also When Toriyama says he is forgetful which is also not true. Another principle of the Japanese is being Humble and one way Toriyama seems to show his humbleness is to say that he is forgetful! Like he said he forgot about the character Lunch in the Saiyan Saga. but if you look at the Dragon Ball a visual History Toriyama drew a little Christmas strip for the Shonen Jump Magazine and Lunch and she was searching for Tien who was training with Kami. So did he really forget the character or did he have no more use for her so he wrote out of the story! I believe he wrote her out because the comedy aspect of Dragon ball was going to be less and Lunch was added to DB for Comedy! He said he forgot about SSJ 3, now this is believable because it been almost 15 years since the Buu saga, of course, he would forget a form that he has looked at for almost 15 years.

Akagi Kaiji said hi..

I'm not sure this is a good argument, it's possible to be overconfident in general and still at times recognize your limits. You could be overconfident in your ability at basketball and not think you're better than Michael Jordan or something.

Sociopath* Psychopath is more along the lines of doing so because their ability to feel the emotions are impaired. Things like remorse. Goku was actually confirmed to be a sociopath by the writers, as he perceives all his friends in the same light, Krillin is just as important to him as his family. This view of friendship is why his family life is rough around the edges. He just doesn’t understand it.

@@cookieelement3467 By "the writers" you mean Toriyama, the guy that calls androids cyborgs and cyborgs androids?

@@Doomroar Yes. And in this case I trust the person that wrote up the character of Goku on his assessment on his personality. Toriyama forgets stuff and makes errors, he is human, but discounting his interpretation of Goku's character because of that doesn't seem like the best idea when he made Goku's character.

@@cookieelement3467 You mean the same guy that says Goku's fault is that he is overconfident, and Vegeta never underestimates his enemies?

@@Doomroar toyotarou wrote that vegeta doesn’t underestimate his enemies.

Brain steroids?

“What a drag”

@@air-headedaviator1805 beat me too it

I finally started watching naruto and finally understand a naruto comment! 😂

@@NathanUpliftpk Nice

Epic _😎😎😎😎👊👊_

Tell me your lying

*Say sike right now*

I missed it, tell me someone DVR’ed this!

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To be honest it wasnt confidence, It was just stupidity. Too bad the writers can't tell the difference

That's more of him being selfish and naive again than him being overconfident, especially considering Moro, even after eating that Sensu Bean, was clearly still not a match for him, only managing to break his own arm. Goku just didn't count on the fact that the arm Merus had cut off would still be there. That's not overconfidence, just naivety.

Goku stupidity being a threat to all life in the universe checks out

@@badabingbing474 well, that's less of a trait exclusive to Goku and more of Saiyans in general. We saw Vegeta and Gohan do some pretty stupid stuff too. The writers just like to abuse that trait of Goku a lot because plot needs to happen.

yeah, thats marks point, is that DBS is BS...

eh, i feel i would kinda argue the opposite, i would say yamcha is one of the more overused human fighters since he gave it up after dying, he didn't want to be a fighter anymore. I would argue that Tien is the most underused human fighter as he continued striving to be better and continued fighting.

Dwayne Hardt Tien still being underrated even after training while Yamcha who doesn’t train still underrated but if Yamcha were to train someday which I doubt so, he will be more popular than Krillin.

Yamcha, the joke character

More like the mistreated character. Toriyama progressively destroyed his character until he ended him in the Cell arc. Yamcha was made "the cheater" of his relationship, even though Bulma has shown onscreen that she is the more likely to cheat of the two. She fell for Jackie Chun, Commander Blue, Zarbon, and Goku, while being with Yamcha. "The forgotten character" label has better candidates. Launch disappeared but she never was a character to begin with, Chiaotzu never contributed anything but it seems intentional Toriyama left out Chiaotzu because he didn't want to draw him.

@@Juan-zs6jt Its a shame how Toriyama treated Yamcha. He was always a joke/humiliated character, but Bulma dumping him for Vegeta was simply the final nail in the coffin.

Unfortunately, many people thinks Goku is stupid and Vegeta is badass, knowing his ways. But that's exact opposite. People refuses to knw that Vegeta is overconfident one. I argued with people who are like that for many years.

@@Netsuki , to be fair Goku is stupid or at the very least foolish and selfish

@Madhumita Mandal , you seem angry.

@Thelmon , exactly. Thought Vegeta improved a lot in that regard Since the Buuu saga, Goku.... Not so much.

@@ADAJ342 I don't think his selfish but I do think he is stupid

What rock song is that anyways?

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Dont worry about it Mark: yes you are

Yes

Yeah pretty much

U dumb 💀

Mr. Puppet what is your problem, and who hurt you?

@@Chip88898 My ass

@@Chip88898 Fuck you! ^_^

But he is referring to the English dub in the video. So it would be translated to something other than that, as to reflect the same meaning between cultural divides.

@@Spiarmf the english dub and all dubs for that matter can't be taken even contextually as what is in the source material. A lot of times they cut things down to match the mouth movements.

​@@Spiarmf the dub is a translation is it not?

You’re right about all that, except it wasn’t the *first* first time an opponent had brought him to that desperation point. Demon King Piccolo was the *first* first time.

Tis a most epic moment..and the fact SSJ Goku felt it! 😂😂😂

@@jonathanwilson1539 well he probably was at less than base of his power💀

@@jjuchii probably! 😂😂

When was this?

Rk9 it was during the days leading up to the cell games

Dude i know this has been two years but do you perhaps know the name of the song used?

@@secoTheSonicFan nah super made him stupid so they could have more humorous moments but hes a genius when it comes to fighting

Dumber and dumber...... Really???

@@secoTheSonicFan yo mom

He hates GT :(

I specifically say Adult Goku a number of times in the video. There are plenty of instances when we was a child where he wasn't overconfident that I didn't point to because he was still a kid.

@@TotallyNotMark oh, my bad. I was a bit confused since you referenced master Roshi's teachings in the video influencing his motives, so I thought you meant any moment from that point onward.

That Battle of Gods moment was particulary weird In Goku's part,wich I belive he doesn't do In Super.

@@TotallyNotMark Didn't two of his examples talk about Goku as an adult? What he said to Krillin, and the way he was portrayed against Beerus as SSj3?

@@codycartwright6998 @Dr_Rota Against Beerus, he wasn't so much overconfident, he was more-so allowing Beerus a chance to decide which form was more of his level. Goku was confident that SSJ3 is a powerful form, but he couldn't sense Beerus's Ki. "If you'd like, I can dial it back to 2 for you." It's more of Goku giving his opponent a chance to offer a fair fight than anything else. As for the Saiyan Arc, Goku wasn't overconfident to the point of underestimating Vegeta. It was a case of underestimating his own resilience. He already knew his Kaio-Ken multiplier was more powerful than Vegeta. He wasn't cocky because he KNEW he could overpower Vegeta. But it was overconfidence (cockiness) in his own durability, because he even states that he didn't think the repercussions of Kaio-Ken would've been that painful.

Yeah gohan whenever he gets a power gets completely overwhelmed by his own power and causes something bad to happen, goku having to sacrifice himself for earth and gotenks and piccolo getting absorbed

In the sense of Trunks and Goten and of course, Gotenks, I blame their age and immaturity for their overconfidence. They underestimated their opponent. It's like how Goku, when first meeting Mr. Popo, underestimated him and was overconfident then.

After he gave his enemies chances to be redeemed but you said selfish lol You answer to yourself because as you said goku is willing to kill villains and no matter how good fighters they are. Therefore, goku puts his priorities second, when the situation becomes impossible to change and harmful to his friends. And without no issue i could feed on a lot examples of goku being the opposite of selfish.

@@andytorres7757 He let Piccolo live just so that Piccolo can come back stronger and fight Goku again, even though Goku is perfectly aware of the implications of this. He was never counting on Piccolo being redeemed. Ever. The rest helped Goku convince Kami to let Piccolo live because as Goku deduced, if Kami dies, so too would the Dragon Balls. Goku begged Krillin to let Vegeta escape. After everything that's happened, why would he want that? Goku explains why. He hates it when good fighters die. What a waste it would have been if Vegeta really had died when Gohan fell on him. He knows it's selfish, but Goku wants to fight Vegeta again. That is literally it. There is no other excuse for it. Frieza? Same fucking reason, only that he wasn't spelling it out for the 3rd time. It stopped being fair. Goku would rather let Frieza come back stronger to fight Goku again. Time and time again, he tried to let Frieza go, but Frieza refused to stop. And of course it forces Goku to kill Frieza every time. Super Broly is the only time Frieza conceded and left alive. Cell? He wasn't a good fighter at all. Even if Goku hadn't promised Trunks to destroy the androids and be done with this mess, nobody, especially Goku, cared about Cell to even think about him. The man literally tried to kill Cell multiple times. He even healed Cell just to make his fall at the hands of Gohan much MUCH harder than it needed to be. Goku was also the main one telling Gohan to stop torturing Cell and just kill him before he got a chance to do anything crazy. Buu? The only exception. He was a good fighter. But he didn't know any better and he'd kill everything for no reason at all. He NEEDED to die. At the end of this Goku wished (not with the dragon balls) that Buu came back good, so that he can fight him again. Hit? Goku threw the game because it wasn't fair to Hit. Zamasu and Zamasu? They weren't good fighters at all, and also he promised to help Trunks. Moro (manga)? He tried to convince Moro to just get arrested, expecting Moro to come back stronger just to fight Goku again. Goku didn't count on Moro going suicidally nuts just because Moro would rather die than to go back to prison. Notice a pattern here? And BTW, plz don't refer to the first Funimation dub. Like holy fuck of the script changes they've made, Goku's reasoning and speeches are among the worst and most blatantly inaccurate. Goku does selfless things but I can tell you right now, most of those moments have nothing to do with the villains he intentionally let escape for the sole purpose of fighting them again, hopefully with them being stronger than before.

That probally made his editor

+1 ! Would be great to have a full version of it !

To be fair, the main point of that arc from Roshi’s perspective WAS to keep him from becoming too overconfident in his abilities. It was before the ideals he currently has were struck in him. That there’s always someone stronger. Before this, his biggest threat was hunger and solid walls he couldn’t quite punch through.

A kid.....a kid

Also after he beat King Piccolo when he laughed at Popo for daring to challenge him.

Then he fought Roshi/Jackie Chun and was taught the lesson to always believe there is someone better then you.

And ive been looking all over youtube for the rest of it. Cant find it anywhere

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