Vegeta: Super's Boring Sequel | The Anatomy of Anime 

To be clear. I really enjoyed other aspects of Dragon Ball Super. And overall I still enjoyed it. Next week... GT

Trunks:”Do you live in your own world” Vegeta:”Yes, unfortunately I have to share it with all of you”

Probably a pet peeve but it bothered me slightly that Vegeta went back to the saiyan armor in Super. I get it is a more iconic look, but the more humanized clothing he had in Buu arc to me told a story that he had gotten comfortable with the idea of being idk normal? lol

My personal favorite Vegeta moment is in the Cell saga when he apologizes to Gohan at the end. It's something you never see him do and brought his arc full circle for the time.

"You're not dealing with the average saiyan warrior anymore"

Dragon Ball Z: Vegeta's using Final Explosion to give up his life and kill an enemy he can't defeat normally. Dragon Ball Super: Vegeta's using Final Explosion to give up his life and defeat an enemy whose ass he was just kicking with no problem. Also, he doesn't die. But it reminded you of Z, right?!

Super is just a continuous "hey you remember that thing that you saw in Z?"

The major issue with Vegeta in Super is that in the creative department of Toei (series directors and writers) there were many people who had varying opinions on how Vegeta should be characterised. So in some episode he would be written well, then in the others he wouldn't be.

Honestly, I still do love the moment with him dangling by his boot on some floating debris in the Tournament of Power and he starts hearing Bulma in his head telling him to get up. I won't try to claim it was masterfully done or anything like that but it really just struck a wholesome cord with me. Maybe it was around the time that her VA passed away so it had a lot more punch to it. Who knows.

Honestly I think Vegeta is the character that makes super for me, as he is the only character who seems to have stakes. Goku has no real emotional connections to his family, and piccolo( my favorite character) is not significantly used enough for his connection to Gohan to mean anything. Vegeta has a family, who he loves, and will do anything to protect it, this in my opinion makes him the character to watch in super.

Vegeta grew like 2 inches since Dragonball Z.

I actually liked Vegeta in GT, it felt like he grew up

I read Vegeta's Super arc as slowly admitting to himself that he views Goku as a friend rather than a foe, letting go of what happened in the Sayian Saga which eventually would pay off that small line at the end of DBZ where Vegeta watches Goku fly away with Uub and says "you can't fool me old friend".

Honestly, I really like what they did with Vegeta in Super. After the speech he delivered during the fight with Majin Buu, it is clear he does not desire to surpass Goku anymore and has accepted his being second. He even acknowledges that not even having loved ones to protect made him as strong as Goku. He stops pursuing power as such. In Super, with the arrival of Beerus, he realizes how weak and incapable of protecting his loved ones he is, and therefore his struggle to become stronger begins anew, completely changed. Throughout the whole entirety of Super, he wants to surpass his limits to protect what he cherishes. This comes to a climax during the fight Toppo, where he states that he, unlike Toppo, does not leave behind what he is to become stronger (like he did in the Majin Saga), but only becomes stronger to protect what he is. It is for him like facing his former self in a way. TL;DR: In Z he pursues power as such, even using loved ones as “means” to surpass Goku, Super he becomes stronger to protect loved ones.

Would really love a Zuko character dissection tbh 😩

So basically, Super lacks emotional weight in general. That's why its inferior to Z.

The one thing I liked about Vegeta in super was him finally becoming humble and teachable for a bit. Then it stopped....

The way he mentored Cabba and expressed desire to see Universe 6's Saiyan world showed a side of Vegeta that we didn't see in Z.

"In order to express emotions, space and time are freely distorted" So....talking is a free action?

I like vegeta's development in the moro arc. This vegeta is a lot more mature and selfless than his younger self. He's also haunted by his past and is trying to atone for the wrongs he did. He even swallowed his saiyan pride for the sake of protecting the galaxy from Moro.

There is one major moment where Vegeta's changed, and that's how protective he's been portrayed of his daughter Bra - foregoing training and keeping up with Goku in order to take care of Bulma during her pregnancy, even turning down the invitation to the tournament itself because of it -> it lead directly to Whis taking action to help in that regard. He's also portrayed as very doting of Bra after she's born. This, oddly enough, isn't as much a departure from the Vegeta we know from DBGT (he takes a lot of care of Bra there too), but he is quite different from the one we know from DBZ. Sure, it's not a huge emotional through-line that is then employed in the major moments, except for, maybe, his final stand in the Tournament of Power, and it is generally only shown in gags which ,as you put it, are in scenes that you may very easily miss, but it is there, and it is a difference we got from Super.

It’s telling that even the dragon balls themselves just don’t seem to matter anymore in Super.

Mark you can't hide forever You gotta make a Dragon Ball GT Video.

“You may have invaded my mind and my body, but there is one thing a Saiyan always keeps-his PRIIIIIDE!” Love that quote from good ol’ Vegeta tbh :)

Vegeta is my favorite character from all the Dragonball franchise.

Honestly Vegeta and Roshi are some of my favorite developing characters in dragonball. Roshi got this treatment in Z because he became completely irrelevant against galaxy superpowers. His last real moment I can remember is the aftermath of the android saga fallout regretting not being there to save his pupils. They tried to bring him back in super and he did have a cool moment but this character couldve been used far better. Imagine Roshi being the one to initially defend Goku against the androids when he was sick and piccolo saving him. Or SOMETHING I really loved that character in dragonball, he is entirely the reason Goku is who he is.

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The series would've been better off with Goku STAYING dead at some point in the series and having Vegeta being forced to realize his feelings by defending his family *and friends in place of Goku. Him showing some mentoring towards Gohan would prep him for realizing his feelings as well with Trunks. imo

I personally really liked GT Vegeta. His look was pretty cool and I liked the character development.

I love vegeta in super he went from a bastard evil lunatic to being a protector a father husband and a good person. I dont think of vegeta in super as another character arc but a continuation of z where z ended with him realizing what he needed a family where super shows how he treats and protects those he loves and his wanting for redemption from the past. in the moro arc he saved a namakian village like in z he killed one.

For me, as a life long humble servant of my prince, these are the moments that super did that made me smile, and appreciate how vegeta had changed over time. #1 vegeta gave everything he could to stomach taking his family to the fair in the beginning, even though it was clearly killing him. But, he made a promise, and he wasnt about to let his son down, not again. #2 vegeta could claim he didnt care for his family the way one should, but when his bulma was slapped, he achieved a power greater than he ever had on his own. He went toe to toe and boxed with god, and it didnt matter that he knew he couldnt win, he refused to go out like a bitch, and let someone get away with bringing harm to the mother of his child. #3 vegeta was willing to become a god of destruction if he needed to, just so he could train with whis (something that the writers must have completely forgotten about since i dont think its been touched upon at all since, maybe in the manga? I personally loved the idea that vegeta would be trained to one day become a god of destruction, and i really hope they still pursue this. While training with whis, he becomes more calm, patient, quiet, controlled. all the things needed to utilize god ki and achieve SSB. What he was able to accomplish on his own in the 6-8 months before goku arrives, easily put him far beyond gokus ability, but as usual the writers let goku overpower vegeta in no time, fuck goku. #4 In many ways, i felt vegeta had developed a patience that he previously struggled greatly with, as i stated above. He watched goku fight frieza and just studied what was going on, learning from the fight, rather than allowing his anger and need for revenge to cloud his judgment. By the time its his turn, frieza couldnt touch him if he wanted to, and vegeta finally was able to get a win for all of the saiyan race. #5 when future trunks arrived again, vegeta wasnt as cold to him, because he had watched him die once and we saw how terrified that made him. This time around, he was hard on the boy, but also so damn proud of the man he became. When he saw the people he saved, the care he had for mai when she was hurt, learned of bulmas death, it all hit vegeta hard. I believe i saw a proud papa smile on his face when trunks was able to resuscitate mai. It made me happy to see this reaction from him because i knew right then and there that vegeta knew he had more to fight for than ever. It showed when he trained his ass off in time chamber before the second fight with rose, and even when he trained trunks for a moment back in our time. That father son galick gun may not have had the kind of weight it needed, but for me i was so happy to see this moment, and still am. #6 Vegeta quickly becomes excited to learn of saiyans on another universe, and just as quickly as he was excited, cabba was immediately able to piss him off by giving up in battle. He used his rage to smack some sense into cabba, and teach him a lesson. He was able to help him achieve something greater, without showing weakness. He gave cabba something to strive for, and a reason to be a better saiyan for the sake of all of his people. He single handedly changed the lives of an entire planet, and he just doesnt know it yet. #7 before the top started, vegeta refused to leave bulmas side while she was pregnant. he would gladly let the universe end entirely than to miss the birth of his child again, and to leave his bulma alone to deal with it all again without him. He used to allow his pride to define what a warrior needed to be, but now he allowed his pride to define what a father and husband should be, and i loved this choice so much. its only once whis speeds up the process, and hes able to hold her for the first time, that he realizes he has so much more to fight for than he ever imagined, and it made him stronger, not weaker as he used to feel. #8 in the top itself, not only was vegeta able to surpass his limits on his own, without having to catch up to goku for once, he was able to use what he had learned over time and become more of a devastating fighter. by the time we reach the end, vegeta was able to achieve ssbe, for once his own transformation of sorts, and he was able to channel his love for his family, and his desire to avenge cabba and the new saiyan planet he hoped to be able to be a part of one day. Everything he ever cared about flashed before his eyes and it made him stronger again, and he surpassed his limits once more. then once that wasnt enough, and he gave every last breath he had fighting jiren knowing he couldnt win to buy more time for the others, he gave his last bit to goku on the way out, admitting he knew goku was always going to be above him, and he accepted that. It gave me pride to see this, even knowing it hurt vegeta to have to reach this point. That is all i can remember at the moment, but i felt we got some great moments in super, even if they werent as impactful as dbz was narratively. I am also loving his change in the manga moro arc where he refuses to let another namekien suffer while hes around, he apologizes to them for his past, and he even goes to yardrat to not only make himself better, but give the people he cares about a chance to survive. Vegeta has grown so much, and surpassed goku everywhere it counts for me, and it makes me proud to serve my prince.

Vegeta: Has a mid-life crisis Everyone: lol same bro i feel

Super isnt terrible but it just feels like a glorified appendix to Z,and not it's own new thing.

I don't know if I'll ever finish watching Super. I knew I'd struggle to get into it after watching Resurrection F. Near the end when it looked like Vegeta was gonna save the day for once but instead stands there for a solid 30 seconds like an idiot while Frieza charges up an attack and blows up the planet they're on resulting in the time travel fix ending where Goku saving the day and laughs it off. I'm fine with the idea of Goku always saving the day but don't tease me with Vegeta almost getting the spotlight for once. It's like an owner waving a big juicy steak in front of their dog going "what's this boy? You want it!? What's this? Who's a good boy!?" Then eating it and laughing.

I really love how well structured, well researched, and overall interesting your videos like this are. Keep up the good work!

I will always love vegeta, but I hate how super reckoned his development during the kid buu fight which turned him into the good person he is at the end of Z and he could actually have a civil/friendly conversation with goku

Well theres one little change i noticed in Super, Vegeta being more willing to learn from others, Whis and the Yardrats

You've done a really good job articulating that the writers for Super, and maybe Toriyama himself, have lost sight of what makes both Goku and Vegeta as well so interesting to begin with. Really enjoyed your break downs on both.

Making a point to go back and rewatch all your content (priority to Dragon Ball) again. Sucks to see what happened over the holidays and sucks to not see as many videos come from your channel. With that, I know I a lot of us are waiting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming movie this April. You’re one of the biggest voices to a lot of folks on DB character progression and story/narrative arcs. Too understandable that you’re probably still apprehensive over the whole ordeal I’m sure you’re still battling. Regardless, have to let you know, the viewers still love you Mark. You’re a talented dude and we haven’t forgotten… Haven’t forgotten your talent, the joy you bring folks through your content, the knowledge or the deeper inter workings of plot that you impart, and your genuinely positive and hopeful spirit. Again man, looking forward to the next projects. Gonna keep supporting and running up the numbers on what you still have on the platform. Take care of yourself! Very Respectfully, Ken Recurrent Viewer

End of Z. “Your better than me Kakarot... Beginning of Super: “I will surpass you! I am the best’’ Sigh.....really just going backwards with character development lol.

Great video Mark! Sadly Super being Dragon Balls greatest hits seemed to way it down heavily. I think a series of how you would have wrote Super like the Buu Saga world rock. Maybe do it arc by arc? Love the Anatomy series

Vegeta peaked in the buu saga imo. Majin vegeta is my favorite version of him too.

Man your videos are so captivating. Fantastic work, thank you!!!

This is one of those channel's I'm super happy to see a new vid from!!

First, love the DB Lofi. I practice Martial arts with those exact tracks. Love it. Second, you nailed Vegeta in DBZ, no question there. But for DBS, I feel like you may have missed the point. Vegeta's story in Super isn't just because of Super being a call back. It HAS to be a call back or else Z wouldn't have even mattered. He won't change because he has finally found balance. Until that balance was shook by the GoD, and then he desired divinity AND EARNED IT. We saw him cater to a sleeping Beerus, and fallow a Sensei (Whis) with as much respect as the prince has. His desire for power will always be driven by personal means, but now it's MORE than just trying to be the best. It's about being the BEST version of himself. IDK man, usually you're a little more upbeat about these kinda things. I'd like you to dive into a deeper analysis of Vegeta's Flat Arc in super. Just my opinion.

okay but what about his moment cabba? when he literally plays a role as mentor for the young saiyan?

Your bit about novice writers around the 8 minute mark is one of the most profound things I’ve heard in a while in regards to writing and the process of making a good story. Man you kick ass mark! Keep it up!

Appreciated the Eizouken clip you used :)

This was my problem with DBS from the announcement of it. The entire concept is a compromise. If you set a story in between two other parts of an existing story, you can't change the characters in any meaningful way unless you alter the original ending. This is why GT, for its flaws, is better. It's an actual sequel that progresses the story and characters. Super isn't a sequel. It's like the Lion King 1 1/2 of anime: it answers questions nobody asked.

This is exactly what I've been saying. Modern Dragon Ball constantly keeps throwing nostalgic moments at us without understanding why we loved those moments in the first place. Super needs to form it's own identity and have it's own character moments instead of relying so heavily on nostalgia.

I just got something pointed out from Vegeta's fight against Toppo. He gets fixated on overpowering Toppo head-on because him discarding his ideals for power mirrors what Vegeta did when he became Majin Vegeta. Beating Toppo with the same attack he used to redeem himself showed both of them that leaving their beliefs is not the way to get power, and sounds like excellent writing to me.

I've still been hopeful that super was a chance for the studio to get back into the flow of things and the real magic of dragonball would return if they picked up the story after Goku and Uub's fight at the tourney. I can dream.

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I agree with your premise. However, Vegeta did go through some major changes. For the first time in his life, he accepted training from someone. And he became a teacher himself. I actually thought it was out of character for him to just sit back and accept Goku as being better then him. What always made him relatable is his strive to be the best. That’s a very humanoid trait. It would have been boring if he just became another background character who waited for Goku to show up.

Dude your videos are great, I really enjoy watching all the work you put into making them and I love the awesome analysis you make. Have you ever considered making videos about Avatar: the last Airbender? I love that show, and I feel like it's one of the most interesting and we'll written stories out there. I hope it's not only the hype because I grew watching it, and I'll be awesome to see one of your analysis about it. This video reminded me of Zuko. Anyway, great work keep it up!

Mad respect for adapting Vegeta's DBZ nose for your thumbnail art of him. As much as I like his more proportional design now, his DBZ design is nostalgic.

Super honestly made me question Japan's ability to write a good story. It honestly feels like Toriyama and Toyotarou aren't even fans of their own work.

Vegeta’s “change” moments you mentioned aren’t exactly spectacular. But what about when he’s portrayed as a flat character? Like with Cabba? When the writers aren’t trying to keep Vegeta a positive change character, he can be pretty compelling in Super. The moments are brief but charming.

Keep doing these videos. I take your analysis and try to apply to my stories. As you were detailing the sacrifice part, I was already planning how I want Vegeta to fall under Narak's control, kill Trunks by mistake, leading him to reinforce his false belief in the lie so he can protect his ego, defeat Goku and ultimately lose his will to do anything after having achieved what he had set to do - go back to the way he was in the past and become the strongest being in the universe. Gotta come up with his redemption arc though... I'm thinking that far ahead and I have only 4 chapters done... -_- I'm never getting to that point...

Honestly, the best place for Vegeta's character to go is for him to not only become stronger than Goku by a wide margin once again, but for him to also fulfill the role or Earth's Protector while Goku is absent, dealing with another problem off world. For a negative situation to occur (Especially with Freeza) and have Vegeta be the true last line of defense would be the best growth his character could undergo at this time. For him to take on the burden and responsibilities that Goku usually does, his arc would finally come full circle as the man who came to earth to destroy it, to him becoming its best and strongest protector.

Hm. It’s interesting cause I feel like I agree and disagree at the same time. Vegeta doesn’t really grow, and there’s no pressure on him to do so really from an emotional standpoint right, I get that. And I understand why that is boring, but what was Vegeta supposed to do? Some say he reverted backwards, but idk about that. When he saw there were other saiyans in other universes he decided he wanted to teach one as his pupil and even asked to visit their home planet. He protected and fought for Trunks against Goku Black and showed that he loves Trunks still and would never want to see him fall again like he did against Cell. To me, it might not be growth, but it shows that Vegeta still cares. So when it all comes down to it and he’s up against Jiren at the very end, with no more power left to fight, he still stands. Because he’s trying to protect what he needs. And he understands that now because of the growth from Z. And then in the end, he realized the better fighter was still there, and gave his last energy to Goku, because Goku was number 1. Of course Vegeta is still cocky, arrogant, and wants to prove he’s the best. Why would they throw that personality out the window just because he grew to realize he needed his family. Vegeta in super doesn’t need to grow, because Super was about fighting for what you need. Fighting for survival. That’s why they fought against Beerus to start, that’s why they fought against Freiza once more, that’s why the Tournament of Power happened. Sure, you can still believe it’s bad writing to not have an emotional stake for growth, but it’s not like they don’t have emotion at all. It’s interesting. And I just want to say, I love the video, love Dragon Ball, and love Vegeta! Thanks!

I couldn't disagree more strongly. First though, I need to say I love you and your videos, and also that even though I don't agree with all of them, I deeply respect your content, presentation, and intellect. Thank you so very much for your hard work

Hey mark love your videos!

Great video, glad to see an Anatomy of Anime post again.

4:42 That smile always haunts me

At least the Moro arc told an excellent story with Vegeta

Great as always! Keep it up!

Yay! Another TNM video! Mark, I wanna let you know your work is great. It's well scripted, very well edited, and shows actual understanding of the subject matter that someone who just throws these together lazily for money could never dream of making. It helps me understand lot about story, not just in Dragonball but in every medium. So thanks for the amaing content!

I liked seeing Vegeta finding his new way in life and acting on it in Super. Hes now a family-loving good guy, albeit grumpy and I like how hes embracing that to an extent.

It appears like The type of growth this beloved sayian went through in Z is like lighting in a bottle for the new writers at Toei. I hope if Super does get a sequel, this wrong will be righted with rich character dialogue and the event setups that make a spectacular scene have emotional weight behind it because it's not just Vegeta who needs it, it's literally at least 90% of the cast members, Espically Beerus, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Whis, and DBS Broly. Even if Toriyama has to write EVERYTHING.

First time I saw the comment section with not many comments yet. Amazing video Mark.

Very interesting video dude and you've highlighted a lot of elements I didn't consider when it comes to Super. I enjoyed Super overall and it dedinitely had some great moments with some of the new characters and how it turned Frieza from someone I didn't care to see again, to someone I love all over again with. But it's definitely true that Super didn't really have much in the way of character progression especially for Vegeta. Which is a shame considering his journey throughout DBZ. Hopefully the manga is plotting out a proper and course of action for the DB universe which will be more enriching and satisfying.

Articulated in the best way, good job man!

*sees titles* "wait what, vegeta had a sequel arc?" *after video* "oh wait, not really"

i love these videos you make !

Yeah, but change in a character or development is not always required to create a well written character. Dark knight’s joker, for example, doesn’t change throughout the story, but is still considered as one of the greatest characters of all. In super, we see a Vegeta after his arc, after all his struggle of good and evil. If Vegeta was to have any sort of change in that aspect, it would’ve made his development in Z quite irrelevant, so what we do see in Super is not a character’s change, but his nuances. Super is about humanizing Vegeta more, revealing that he is different than we think he is, he’s a lot more caring, a lot more considerate and shows to be an actually good person, not only by what side he chooses to fight for, but also in actions and behavior. Vegeta was probably the best written character in Super. I’m not saying he was perfectly written, but the staff took him in the right direction.

So that is why the only Vegeta scene I really remember from Super is the my Bulma line.

OMG YES I NEEDED THIS OMG YEE

I really want to see a movie of the adventures of young Vegeta,Raditz,and Nappa

Nice video as always! Vegeta pinnacle as a character was his sacrifice against Bu, and somehow it"s redemption coming from the dead is somewhat related to reincarnation, something that even Piccolo mentions. Vegeta in Super seems a "Partner in Crime" of Goku, at least untill Moro's Arc where now it seems to develop a little bit. Overall the best character in the series so far, the Prince of all Saiyans!

vaaaagetaaah ~ King Nappa, DBZA

2:53 *cryring* I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN!

i just want to add that the addition of a mellow version of vegeta's final flash theme in the background while discussing this is straight up genius

I haven't watched the video yet. So all I have to say right now is that the Vegeta drawing in the thumbnail is TOP NOTCH! Totally classic Vegeta! His Namek saga look can't be beat!

I love what they've done to vegeta in super. Making him a family man who would give up everything for his son and wife has progressed his character. And now hes finally split from goku's footsteps.

I feel like Dragon Ball Super did two things really good, one in the Tournament of Power was him getting mad at Toppo for losing his pride and telling Jiren that he will never leave his pride, that is something different I have seen in any Anime Character. Second in the Moro Arc like he said that its time for him to payback people on Namek because of how many torture and trouble he has caused them (something like that), for me it shows that he has regrets on what he did to different planets as well not only Namek but other planets he's destroyed or conquered.

0:52 that music plus some iconic shots legit gave me chills damn

As soon as I heard the TFS Final Flash theme in the opening, I was already hooked ...

I honestly think his development in GT was more noteworthy than Super. Yeah, a lot of people complained that Vegeta would never use Bulma’a blitz wave machine to gain SSJ4 because of his pride, but I think that was the point of the scene. Vegeta at that point knew there was more to stake than his pride, and he was willing to put it aside to save the world. Hell, he was the one that suggested using fusion to best Omega Shenron. That speaks volumes for how much he’s matured since Z. Super kinda feels like we’re on repeat most of the time. Vegeta learning that Goku will always be stronger than him in TOP was something he already knew at the end of the Buu Saga. His discomfort at the thought of fusion is just a running gag that’s going to get old if Gogeta or Vegito make future appearances. The one thing I feel that was somewhat new was his relationship with Cabba, but because they have little screen time together throughout the show it ultimately feels incomplete.

I've always commented on how vegetas character development took a step back in the same way his height did.

That part about spectacle and emotional weight really spoke to me, when Vegeta sacrifices himself in the Buu saga and Krillin shouts his name it gives me chills, against Toppo not so much even though I enjoyed the scene. For me that emotional weight/connection to a character is everything.

One of the first! But anyway, I really like listening to your point of view as I really don't see much as a critic. I love action for the sake of action, but I do understand that in terms of making effective scenes, emotion sticks in the mind better, and has a better payoff to the audience.

I just realized all my Vegeta favourite moments are all from Z

This is a professional, mature analysis and will be completely lost on all the people grasping at their memories of loving DBZ as a kid. Dragonball, like Star Wars and the big names of DC/Marvel, has become part of the global cultural consciousness. That means huge economic weight. Those managing that weight are in a constant battle between wanting the hearts of fans and wanting the disposable income of bored children. Yes, a lot of bad writing comes from people blindly imitating good writing, but a lot also comes from pure dismissive contempt for the customers.

When Vegeta acknowledged Goku as a person and how kind hearted of a Saiyan he is towards his friends, family and even his enemies That's where his character got a lot of respect for me. Helping Goku to save his family, his friend, and the world itself. To compare Vegeta to how he was in the Saiyan Saga till now it's really compelling to see from his character.

I like that Ultra Instinct theme remix playing in the background of the Super section of this video

I don't know, dragon ball kind of wrote itself into a corner. And that kind of happened from the very begining, it introduces a new character with a new arc to explore and then... since they already worked with the core values of that characters they have to introduce a new character. Toriyama kind of let vegeta have a long development, but consider picoro, he didn't change at all after the first arc of dragon ball, or ten shin han. They already went through their journey, so super had to introduce a new character, beerus, which is if you think about it, the vegeta of dragon ball super.

I gotta ask. Mark how the hell did you learn to draw so dang well

Yo that Rifti beat at 3:00? Fire

While I do agree that dbs didn't get any where near as close as Z did with Vegeta's arc, I wouldn't agree to the statement you made about Vegeta pretty much not changing at all in super. One of my favorite moments in dbs was towards the end of the TOP arc when he finally accepted to growing on his own direction instead of chasing after Goku like he has his whole life. He accepted himself as a different person with different strengths and weakness and decided he would be growing on his own instead of always trying to replicate Gokus success. And while it wasnt as memorable as his progress in the Z arcs, I still feel it's an incredibly important change in his character and opens the door for him to make new discoveries about himself and continue to develop his character further (such as maybe even having exclusive forms to Vegeta. Just like Zamasu got Super Saiyan Rose). Still a great video tho mark. Big fan of your channel and can't wait to see that GT video :)