Good Cars Don't Always Sell, And That's A Shame | 2022 Kia Stinger Review

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If you're shopping for a loaded Camry, Accord, Avalon or Maxima, you should quite simply buy a Stinger instead. It's more fun to drive, has a bigger trunk, and you can get it with all wheel drive. If you're TLX or Q50 shopping, you should give the 3.3L twin-turbo Stinger a look, because you'll get more for less. Sadly however the reality is a $40,000-$50,000 sports sedan with a Kia logo is destined to be a great landing at the wrong airport. Pity.
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With extremely competitive vehicles pouring out of both Hyundai and Kia, the Korean auto giant decided to shock the industry in 2017 with the introduction of the Kia Stinger. Price-wise, the Stinger landed between the Cadenza, a Toyota Avalon competitor, and the K900, a seriously luxurious and sporty BMW 5-series competitor. With both of those models now eliminated from the U.S. lineup, the Stinger serves as the brand’s flagship. Let’s cover the updates that materialized for the 2022 model year.
Unlike its platform mate, the Genesis G70, the Stinger’s base 2.0L turbo 4 with 250 hp has been replaced by the excellent 2.5L turbo 4 cylinder seen in other Hyundai/Kia/Genesis products, including but not limited to the Sonata N-Line, K5 GT, Santa Cruz, and GV70. In this application it produces 300 hp and 311 lb-ft of torque but sticks with the previous 8-speed torque-converter automatic. Ironically, the Stinger we are taking a look at is actually another GT, which uses the carryover 3.3L twin-turbo V6. It sees a modest +3 hp bump to 368 hp thanks to a new variable exhaust system.
Visual upgrades include the inclusion of Kia’s sleek, modern and metallic new logo, a larger 10.25” infotainment system, new alloy wheel designs, a redesigned full-width LED taillight array, and a new front LED DRL design for trims below the GT2. This HiChroma Red Stinger is that top of the line GT2 trim, hence why the DRLs are unchanged. What isn’t new is the Stinger’s ability to prioritize practicality and smiles-per-mile, with handling that truly rivals some of the German competitors Kia originally targeted at launch.
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00:00-01:15 Introduction
01:15-01:52 Front Exterior Styling
01:52-03:13 Size
03:13-03:37 Side Exterior Details
03:37-4:08 Rear Exterior Styling
04:08-05:00 Model Position
05:00-05:38 Safety Features
05:38-07:34 Powertrains
07:34-08:02 Front Seat Comfort
08:02-09:21 Rear Seat Comfort
09:21-10:24 Cargo Space
10:24-15:04 Front Seat Amenities
15:04-15:14 Driving Impressions
15:14-15:44 Acceleration
15:44-16:16 Braking
16:16-16:52 Competition
16:52-18:22 Handling
18:22-19:06 Ride
19:06-19:34 Cabin Noise
19:34-19:57 Fuel Economy
19:57-22:11 Pricing
22:11-23:49 Competitor: Volkswagen Arteon
23:49-24:59 Competitor: Dodge Charger
24:59-26:39 Competitor: Acura TLX
26:39-27:55 Competitor: Audi A5 Sportback
27:55-28:26 Bottom Line
28:26-29:23 Final Thoughts
29:23-30:29 Sign Off

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@socan7182 2 года назад

The best part about having the Stinger, you stand out since there isn’t that many on the roads.

@rahathqureshi3287 2 года назад

And it looks good. I always find myself staring at it because compared to the average cars on the road, it's really sleek.

@jims8828 2 года назад

Having a Yugo would stand out even more . . . A Hyundai Excel might do the same if you can't find the Yugo. You are correct in saying that's the best part of having the Stinger.

@dannnsss8034 2 года назад

@@jims8828 I saw a CLEAN early 90s Hyundai Accent... The boxy one. Was a beautiful sight.

@Raven2702 2 года назад

can agree!

@BrainFuck10 Год назад

@@jims8828 not really the Yugo looks like every 80s hatchback from Honda to Volkswagen

@reginalddyson9716 2 года назад

I am sad for Kia that they didn't get the respect they deserve for this car. Super Happy to have a car that few people have. My GT1 is life!!!

@rogersmj 2 года назад

“Fuel economy has never really been Kia’s forte…” I will never get tired of that joke.

@radius611 2 года назад

SAME

@tlevans62 2 года назад

I thought that was a brilliant quip. lol.

@flybriur 2 года назад

Haha, I didn't pick up on it initially. Joke aside, the fuel economy in the Stinger is horrible. Spirited city driving with a good amount of traffic, light to light and stop sign to stop sign stop-and-go driving, and you can barely get over 10mpg.

@tlevans62 2 года назад

@@flybriur I don't think you buy a car like this for fuel economy.. I'd compare it to a Mustang GT or something like that. It's going to be gas guzzler, unless you're Driving Miss Daisy.

@flybriur 2 года назад

@@tlevans62 Oh, I definitely agree, but it was still quite a shock at how bad it can be. If I'm in Sport mode driving somewhat spiritedly and city driving where there is a good amount of traffic and/or hitting a lot of block-to-block stop lights/signs, I'm barely getting over 10mpg.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

I got brand new 2020 stinger GT AWD a year and a half ago. Best car I’ve ever owned by far. The 3.3tt is truly a gem of a motor. It’s so smooth and powerful feels almost naturally aspirated but with the thrust of the turbos. I do 12.5 in the 1/4 bone stock. The AWD system is a proper rwd awd system I can get the ass to step out on command. I get compliments daily people love it. Porsche bmw maserati Jaguar etc. owners come up to me all the time. Saying “they’ve been waiting to see one on the streets”. It is the best bang for your buck all around performance sedan you can get today period. Not to mention the usability/practicality of the stinger.

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

Man U cappin

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@rahimi4762 please explain how I’m cappin? Everything I just said is fact 🤷🏻‍♂️

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 LOL I’m joking with u

@jims8828 2 года назад

LOL! Maserati/Chrysler300 owners and Jaguar/Ford owners are obviously too clueless to ever think about buying a Kia, or they would have bought the Chrysler or Ford cars sharing their platforms for far less than their existing cars. Porsche and BMW owners, depend on how old their cars are. A brand new Stinger is not price competitive to a 3yr old BMW 3GT or 4GC. A 3yr old Stinger might be price competitive to a 6yr old 3GT/4GC or an 8yr old Panamera.

@fullmetal1421 2 года назад

@@jims8828 Car enthusiasts don’t care about price points weirdo. I could be in a GT3rs enjoying a built K20 EG Civic lmao.

@Victic005 2 года назад

The Stinger is just in the perfect situation for buyers like myself who knows what it's worth. Prices have risen now. In 2019, it was perfect. I got my car $8k below MSRP.

@gone547 Год назад

I was not in line for a new car but admired the Stinger from afar. That was until I drove one. I was immediately sold and purchased a snow white pearl with black interior. That was one year ago and have obsolutely no regrets. Amazing car.

@aham2903 2 года назад

Traded in my 17 Mustang GT for a 2019 GTS AWD in Federation Orange. I'm a muscle car guy at heart, but love the versatility of the Stinger. It's a "do-everything" sedan. Great family car, sporty as hell and looks nice.

@jonasbaine3538 2 года назад

So pissed Ford doesn’t sell the Ford falcon in USA, which is a mustang sedan. It in Australia

@haciendadad 2 года назад

Great family car that dad will love and the kids won't be embarrassed when you pick them up

@exploreohio1735 2 года назад

@@jonasbaine3538 lots of Mustang fans love the Stinger, Ford really should have a sedan GT here in the states.

@jonasbaine3538 2 года назад

@@exploreohio1735 yeah they should have. I have mustang 5.0. Looking at bmw 650xi gran coupes currently

@Steve-qi3mo 2 года назад

I wanted the gts but in the last couple months they have been so expensive that I just decided to get a 2022 gt1

@lukewalker1051 2 года назад

You are a very talented reviewer Alex. Your research and effort and comprehension are top tier. Thank you.

@billbigshlong382 2 года назад

The vast majority of his stuff is just specs, though.

@mjay1901 2 года назад

Thank you for reviewing this car again, Alex. I've had my 2019 GT2 (ceramic silver w/ red interior) for about 2 1/2 years now. Still love it. Previous car was an Infiniti G37xS, and the Stinger was a perfect replacement. Still a head turner and yet a practical everyday driver to haul my family of 4. There are a couple things that remind you it's a Kia, but when you put your foot into it I'm always reminded of the two Germans (Albert Biermann and Peter Schreyer) from BMW and Audi who came over to Kia and designed and engineered this halo car. Also, it's kind of nice to drive a car that you don't see elsewhere everyday on the road. Hope they don't kill it off.

@FlowStateNewOrleans 2 года назад

I had a G37 convertible before buying my 2020 GT2 with the same color scheme. I adore this car that I've had for about 18 months. It's a true GT car. You can just eat up the highway miles by the hundreds and go for hours and hours without boredom or discomfort. When you hit a good stretch of road, it's as fun as some cars twice its price.

@stevewise1656 2 года назад

I own the same year and color combination GT2. My entire engine was replaced by KIA, because the engine design was faulty. I only had 2k miles on it when the oil leak occurred. It took four months to get the car back and the loaner was a Soul. As for the rattles, KIA won't even attempt to fix them, though I did locate a guy who was able to track down and fix the rattles, though he didn't work for the dealer. Wish they would've kept the Stinger and turned it into an electric version. I switched out the logos to the Korean E and it's literally a head turner. Some people don't notice I'm in the car because the added tint I'd purchased separately doesn't allow them to see me. They walk around and stare. Other people walk up and ask me what it is at gas stations and elsewhere. Only car enthusiasts have ever heard of the car.

@flybriur 2 года назад

@@stevewise1656 Just curious where the sources of your rattles were located

@stevewise1656 2 года назад

@@flybriur one inside the front passenger door that was really bugging me. Several were in the front dashboard up and under. The wiring harnesses were loose and tapping plastic panels. When I'd taken it to KIA the guy said calmly, "yes, everyone has those rattles and we won't track them down. Some people have loose sunroofs that rattle too. Others have trunk hoods that move and rattle, so you're lucky." I was lucky! That was last May and literally just been told I needed my entire engine replaced and not in the mood to hear that bs. They couldn't get the engine in the car from May-September 2020.

@flybriur 2 года назад

@@stevewise1656 Thanks for that. I have a 2019 GT2 and had rattles and noises from when I purchased it new about a year and a half ago. Sunroof rattle, popping noise from the headliner, and a noise that I occasionally hear (it's not super loud though) when going over bumps that sounded like it was inside the dash behind the glovebox area (which I assumed was a loose wiring harness like you mentioned). Sunroof rattle was only fixed temporarily twice, and the popping noise on the headliner was fixed once but also came back. Ultimately though I was able to get a Kia technician to come out to look at the car, he confirmed the issues, and ordered a new sunroof assembly and new headliner to be installed. Car was in the shop for three weeks. Got it back a month ago, and all seems well now (fingers crossed).

@gregorriusadolphus2729 2 года назад

I was one of the BMW/Audi folks who "lowered" themselves to a Stinger LOL. The Stinger is a hoot to drive and it looks outta this world. I've actually owned two-the twin turbo V6 and the GT-Line model with the single turbo, which is my current car. The best part also is that they have been so reliable and trouble free-my last BMW, I felt like I knew my service advisor way too well......speaking of him, I hope his kid got into UT like he wanted LOL. I know nothing about my Kia service advisor and I love that.

@Truehoon 2 года назад

how do you like the 2.5 compared to the 3.3?

@gasstation405 2 года назад

It's weird how people are claiming this "isn't selling" when it's already sold 14K units in the U.S. for 2021, far more than its premium Genesis G70 sibling, and around 3 times the amount of VW Arteons sold. The Audi A5, its most direct competitor, sold 17K units last year- hardly a decisive difference, not to mention that the A5 sales numbers also include two-door models. The only context in which the Stinger "isn't selling" is in the Korean market, where most people opt for a G70 or G80 because these kind of cars are sold to business professionals. Hyundai and Kia's primary target has always been the Korean market, so if something doesn't sell there like the Stinger, they are more likely to axe it no matter how well it sells in other markets. That's why the Kia K9 was sold in the U.S. for as long as it was despite selling only a few hundred units a year. That's also why Genesis sold sedans before CUV's- to establish themselves in their home market in South Korea before going abroad.

@JamesCovalentBond 2 года назад

That's not always true! Hyundai/Kia sell small cars, like i20, i10, or Rio, only in Europe because most Koreans drive compact/midsize/full size sedans or SUVs. Also, Hyundai sells SantaCruz only in the US. I agree Koreans usually choose G70 or G80 over Stinger, but I don't think that's the only reason why Stinger is gonna be discontinued. Ev6 is kinda replacing Stinger's position, and I heard Kia is going to revive Stinger as an hydrogen GT or halo Electric brand, just like what Ford did with Mustang🤔

@gasstation405 2 года назад

@@JamesCovalentBond Those cars were designed exclusively for other markets and as such aren't sold in South Korea. The Stinger was designed first and foremost for the South Korean market, where sedans are still wildly popular. The only reason it even received the 2.5T in its refresh while the G70 didn't was because sales of the Stinger were so poor in South Korea that they had to give a new engine just to make it more appealing.

@fabulousprofound 2 года назад

I blame marketing and dealers. I remember pre Covid seeing them buried behind all their SUVs, and there is almost zero advertising, at least in my area.

@hellkitty1014 2 года назад

I would say the Arteon and TLX are the best competitive set for this car in terms of price and features. This KIA kills them both!

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

@@hojushigolsaneunsaram Exactly! I make this point repeatedly. China, especially, drives many decisions by automakers. Since many of their mid-sized and larger cars are chsuffeur-driven, extended back seats are very popular. The US usually gets those same stretched versions because we value larger cars. If the Stinger had a stretched version it might sell better, but when it was designed they still had the Cadenza and K900 in the lineup and didn't want to compete with them directly. US Stinger sales are just an extra for Kia. If they can make a few sales without having to spend all the profits on advertising, they'll happily sell them. How it fares worldwide is what matters, and that has been a problem. Chinese buyers are very brand-conscious because owning an expensive car grants status, and Kia just can't compete on status with the premium/luxury brands. The Arteon has been a sales disappointment for the same reason. VW is seen in the US as semi-premium by virtue of being German, but not premium enough to sell that particular car. Worldwide it has even less status.

@cedriccheung Год назад

OMG, bro... so much info in 30mins, all of it super useful. One of the best car reviews I've watched, hands down. 10/10

@avsimmons1 Месяц назад

AGREED

@EpicSnuggleBunny 2 года назад

I've had my 2020 GT2 for about 8 months now and really love the car. A few interior rattles, but it's a beautifully styled car with a nice interior, handing and power. I've upgraded to exhaust to match the sound to the power and performance of the car. Wish the backseat had a bit more leg room, but at 6'3", I'm the problem more so than the car. Would recommend this car to fellow enthusiasts who aren't worried about badge prestige.

@homelessmillionaire1 2 года назад

Like Spyderco, Benchmade, Microtech, Chris Reeves and Zero Tolerance knives, brand loyalty and prestige carries alot of weight when deciding what to buy.

@dimekoza 2 года назад

I've heard from other people about the interior rattles in the Stinger. It strikes me as odd, this is a rather expensive car for it to have interior rattles, especially so soon from new. Hope they are sorted for the 2021/2022 model year.

@nonamefound2106 2 года назад

@@dimekoza My 2020 had a slight hatch rattle that was easy to fix on my own in 30 minutes. My 2022 however has no rattle at all.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@dimekoza every car doesn’t matter how expensive or cheap has problems. My buddy has a brand new S5 that has run roof rattles and the dashboard creaks. The TLX type s has numerous electrical problems the steering wheel whines when u turn it etc…..no car is perfect. I have a stinger and have had no problems after 15 min with 2 5/16 washers installed on hatch bump stops. I can hear a mouse piss.

@speedyduranr 2 года назад

Badge prestige matters.. That's why I got the Genesis G70 instead. Same engine. More luxury, better design.. More prestige.

@Snorlax286 2 года назад

I bought the 2019 Stinger AWD because of this channel! So far, Stinger has been treating me good! No major complains aside from interior rattles. 24k miles and still going strong! If you're looking for a mid-size sedan this is the best bang for your buck among the competition. Added bonus: most people does not know the Stinger, so they compliment me that I'm driving a Porsche, BMW, Maserati, etc. LOL!

@HellzHonour 2 года назад

Yeah, people guess all sorts of cars for me too. I put the Korean E badges on my Stinger and I got a parking ticket with the make as Maserati. I left the parking spot and some hung over guy said nice Tesla. Lmao

@hotdawg85 2 года назад

I wear that Kia badge loud and proud on my stinger. It’s time ppl know what Kia is capable of. No need to be ashamed

@BN99239 2 года назад

@@hotdawg85 The Kia logo design itself does look ugly though. I guess the new logo is more of a logo, but it's like Ford having the actual word "FORD" as their logo; it's just not pretty lol.

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

@@BN99239 Given that their old logo really was just "Kia" in an oval, the new one didn't have to be awesome to be an improvement. I think it looks fine, but it's too big for the Stinger front end. Reduce it by 25% and it would barely attract notice.

@stephenpatterson8056 2 года назад

I had a 2019 Stinger as well. Hated all the rattling in mine as well. Just "upgraded" to a 2022 G70 hoping I'd have a better experience but nope, still knocking sunroof and other rattly bits inside. I love the overall package these cars offer but can't stand the seeming shoddy build quality. This coming from previous vehicles being a Golf GTI and a Mazda3, both of which were built like tanks compared to the two Koreans. It is nice that the G70 doesn't get as much attention though. But my next car will probably be Japanese or German. And possibly sooner rather than later...

@dand5829 2 года назад

Dealers (in the US) made sure no one would buy this car by treating it like it was the KIA version of the Lexis LFA. It’s a mass produced car but they treated it like unobtainium. Dealers killed the Stinger.

@timw2083 2 года назад

I agree, there were crazy markups on the East Coast

@JDubbs07 2 года назад

Sounds like you didn't wait when looking. Not even a year in and the discounts came fast and furious. Many of us got 8 grand off fully loaded GT2s. I was one of them.

@John-vh1fk 2 года назад

Exactly! Every Kia dealer around me was marking them up over msrp ever since they launched.

@FlowStateNewOrleans 2 года назад

@@JDubbs07 I got $10,500 off of my GT2 in June of 2020. It took about 6 weeks of working every Atlanta metro dealer via email at a time when no one had any idea where the covid pandemic would go. I also drove it for a week as a "loaner" because the day I came in to sign all the paper work, they were closing down to sanitize the place. A customer from earlier in the day had tested positive.

@JDubbs07 2 года назад

@@FlowStateNewOrleans Nice! Way to make good out of a bad situation. Hopefully the trial week made your decision that much easier.

@rahathqureshi3287 2 года назад

While I don't have a Stinger, I do have a Genesis G70, its twin. I gotta say the motor is awesome, lots of power from the 3.3T and surprisingly reliable too (I drive it pretty hard). I was thinking of replacing it eventually with the Stinger since the Geni is a lease, and I'd like to purchase my next car. A used Stinger sounds perfect since it has the same engine (so I'm confident in the power and reliability) and it's more spacious than the Geni.

@hakinen4000 2 года назад

The Stinger is a true underdog and an excellent value proposition, that impresses anyone every time some one asks me about it. Having owned my for almost 4 years (2018 GT2) I can say this car still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, and have not had any major issues with it (52k miles on the clock). The Stinger is not going away, those are unsupported rumors, it will be coming back. This is a halo car for KIA and it will be dumb for them to discontinue it after all the praise its gotten. If you are on the fence about it, just go test drive it and you will soon see what a great package the Stinger offers.

@leonsam84 2 года назад

i worry that the KIA EV6 GT would now be the new Halo Car. However, the dream is if they give this the DCT, 3.5L V6TT and the Veloster N exhaust and lighten it up a bit. This would be a BEAST!!!

@omaralkayal7598 2 года назад

@@leonsam84 both the EV6 and the Telluride are sort off becoming the flagship model for Kia

@Crypto_Baker 7 месяцев назад

nek minnut, discontinued😭

@mtnhighs 2 года назад

I purchased a 19 GT1, that just came off a 2 yr lease, with 9,210 miles on the odometer & a 100k mile bumper to bumper extended warranty & 5 years standard maintenance for around $40k all in. Considering the excellent performance the car provides & the superior build quality to the Dodge products I was cross-shopping, I am more than pleased. I’ve had the Stinger since June 3rd of last year and it has been bulletproof reliable; my only complaint being the shoddy tread life of the summer Michelin Pilot Sport 4’s which I recently was able to warranty out (Russel my Service Advisor has been amazing, erasing all fears of working with a KIA dealer) for a set of Pilot Sport All Season 4’s that have a considerably longer shelf life. The interior fit & finish is flawless, there are no squeaks or rattles and the ergonomics are perfect for my just under 6’ frame. Love how the side bolsters in the pilot’s seat wrap around you in Sport Mode; which is the setting where I recommend you leave your Stinger if you want the best throttle response and fun driving experience Each time I get behind the wheel, I am still excited to take it for a drive. The way the flat bottomed wheel telescopes out upon startup and seat moves forward, essentially snugging you in for the tight turns and acceleration forces; and those brakes. My goodness can this car slow down quick. I have no issues driving a KIA and I won’t be one of those owners that takes their badges off and replaces them with Korean Domestic Market ones. I actually feel good when I pull up next to a Audi S5 or expensive BMW, knowing I have everything their car has, only mine looks better. I highly recommend this car. It was designed by the guy who did the M3 back when it was a beautiful, over engineered car.

@telliesmith9825 2 года назад

That's how it always go the good car's everyone cry about wanting at a reasonable price they don't go and buy 🤷

@slappymcphee 2 года назад

It's a Kia. That's reasonable to not but it. Their dealer network is garbage even if the vehicle is decent.

@ThinkBeFree99 2 года назад

@@slappymcphee they seem to have a pretty strong dealer network in texas. What exactly are people wanting in a dealer experience these days anyway? Yall gonna live there and spend holidays together??

@kromahj 2 года назад

@@ThinkBeFree99 no, but your experience at the dealership will want you to go back or not. Where i bought my Camry from, the service department experience was very poor and they so rude, when you look at the reviews on their page , everyone talking about their service department.

@MrRey84972 2 года назад

@@kromahj well that is one experience and could be said about the service at Toyota.

@ThinkBeFree99 2 года назад

@@kromahj dealerships are all like the MB even. They just charge a lot more and look more tidy and make u wait in overpriced waiting rooms

@jaybird5059 2 года назад

Always enjoy your encyclopedic, professional approach to car reviews - low flash but plenty of substance. I own a 2020 GT2 for almost 2 years now and 2 proper Canadian winters. With a set of proper snow tires, this car has always found traction in even snow that humbled the pickups next to me at the light. Your review is spot on with my ownership experience (in ECO and Smart, can get about 9L/100km with 70% hwy, 30% city). I have had no rattling sound nor any problems with the brakes (which are the common complaints). If you drive the car smartly, it is a very forgiving and fun car to drive. Love it.

@shopwithaaron 2 года назад

Alex is always the best!! Moved up from our 2017 Optima SXL to 2020 GT-line 2.0 RWD Sun and sound equipped Panthere gray RWD. Snow tires here in Reno and all is well. Still love driving my husband's Optima since it feels plush!

@justinfontaine5539 2 года назад

I had a 2021 GT1 AWD and what a great car. A back injury had me trade it in for a Genesis GV70 but Alex is right. I would take this over any of the cars he mentioned. I don't care what it says on the hood. And yes it's better than the new TLX S type by far

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

Nope, what u smoking???? Acura waay more luxurious and SHAWD.

@Ih8chew 2 года назад

Lol tell the truth about the Kia Stinger being an objectively better car than the Type S and watch the Acura fanboys come out the woodwork.

@khronin 2 года назад

I just sold my Stinger simply because it went up in price.I ended up getting a CX-30 Premium Plus Turbo and just put an extra 10k in the bank.I had no issues with it for a year and a half--I even took it to public drag night.And holding value (I made 9k over what i paid for a year later)--I sold it within 48 hours of putting it up.Only reason i did not get another one is because I started ebiking and I need something with more clearance and that can go on light trails up in the mountains.I wanted a GLA 45 AMG--but the only one was 100 miles away--marked up 5k and was not the top model--no wing--no variable exhaust and it had awful looking rims.When the put AWD on a KONA N--then maybe I will trade--but I would buy a KIA/hyundai product again.The auto transmission in my AWD stinger was also fantastic(in ALL conditions)

@ge-8135 2 года назад

@@rahimi4762 How much is the top level trim of The Acura and what does it not match for the price? Acura has lost the plot for a decade. This from a former Type S owner and a Tl Advanced Pack owner. I had no choice: Stinger Gt2.

@theyadmire511 2 года назад

@@Ih8chew if y’all KIA FANBOYS had spent more time at the Kia dealership buying stinger’s than down talking other brands then maybe Kia would have sold a few more stingers. 💀💀💀💀

@Cal-El 2 года назад

Alex, there are many reviewers that I love to watch. However, you are the only one that leaves me with no questions unanswered. Thank you for your attention to detail!

@gotentk4 Год назад

i like what you do at the end!!! Comparision is really helpful!

@belvederedog2563 2 года назад

Excellent review. I have the top of the range GT here in Australia and absolutely love my car. In my humble opinion, when all things are considered, power, performance, standard equipment, driving experience, warranty and price, there is nothing that comes close to it.

@TheAccordingtoyou 2 года назад

I remember that Alex was so impressed when it came out he was going to order one, but never did I guess. I still miss my Stinger such a special car that deserve more attention.

@reuelbutler7626 2 года назад

I love how he list the trims and features at the end that is so helpful

@edcew8236 2 года назад

My Stinger GT2 is less than a week old, and I love it. Previous cars were an Audi A3 and BMW X3.

@ohyeah5806 2 года назад

What do you notice about the attention that you’ve gotten in the stinger vs the germans?

@McFanick 2 года назад

I got people walking by and doing the what the hell is this and looking at the badge and when they see kia the dace becomes even more surprised

@alexlee-isted5046 2 года назад

Had my 3.3 GTS (GT2 equivalent )for around 15 months here in the UK. Compared to an S5 or 440i with the same tech levels fitted the Stinger is a good £15k ($20k) cheaper so is a bargain. Gets looks everywhere you go, endless people asking about it and it drives amazing. All the tech and power you need and super comfortable. Such a rare sight on the roads here but that is what also makes it feel so special. Absolutely love mine and want to keep it for many many years to come. Only things I can fault are the exhaust is a touch too quiet for my taste and the brakes are average at best. Both can easily be sorted aftermarket. Fitted the K&N cold air intakes to mind and really makes it sound good now.

@biglee13m 2 года назад

I wanted a Stinger GT but I was turned away because of the dealers. They didn't know anything about their products. The sites weren't clean either. I checked out the cousin, G70 instead. The treatment is just a different level esp. the concierge service. I'm happy with my G70 and yes it does feel more premium than the Stinger although it loses big time in space. The Stinger is far more preactical.

@574104 2 года назад

As usual great review. Complete and thorough info Alex

@shawn2296 2 года назад

this car was extremely impressive with the 3.3 engine definitely worth considering

@dennyclosser8456 2 года назад

Very nice job on the review. It is a beautiful car in my opinion, I’ve driven several keys but not the stinger yet but it is on my list. You also should point out cost of ownership is going to be way lower on the Kia than any of the German competitors. That should be a huge buying point to the average public.

@gbgary 2 года назад

I love my '19. it's been fantastic. I got a screaming deal though at the end of '19 (rwd base GT w/3.3TT...$31k).

@anwargorham 2 года назад

fuel economy has never been Kia's forte... I see you sneaking in jokes Alex :)

@mikaalwaters2172 2 года назад

… and he rolled right through the pun!!

@ThousanWhite 2 года назад

It’s 100% all about the brand. Ive driven this car so many times and it’s one of my favorite cars of the last 3 years. However I’ve seen people firsthand, outright double down on never buying anything Korean (but their reasons usually are specious and unconvincing). The majority of car shoppers hang onto generational perception, image, and familiarity. When you not only have a brand that a lot of US shoppers seem to not have any favor towards AND in the case of the Stinger, being priced within a $40k-$50k segment that overlaps with the premium shoppers that DO value image and brand familiarity, it’s a perfect storm of uninterested shoppers. It doesn’t even matter how good the car is or how much value it brings when people don’t know what it is and the perception of the brand still is stuck in the 80s from the casual shopping mind.

@ML-yn9yu 2 года назад

Sad, but true. you still have the uneducated saying "but its a kia"

@leviwagner9157 2 года назад

I have a AWD GT-line and I absolutely love it. Apple CarPlay, best warranty in the auto business, and average 30 mpg on the highway. I live in North Dakota, we got 3 feet of snow this year and I never have gotten stuck nor have I even been worried about getting stuck. Overall great vehicle. Only complaint is creeks and rattles in the cabin at speed (40mph+) and the turn radius is not great but still not bad for being such a big vehicle. 10/10 would totally recommend.

@swanblake 2 года назад

Outstanding job on this Alex. Really nailed the reasons why the Stinger is so impressive and unique. Definitely would take this over a Acura TLX or Toyota Avalon. Interior is beautiful and the the driving dynamics are great. Love that its a proper RWD four door. I wish Genesis would have followed Kia's move in offering the 2.5T engine as a base engine. You can't go wrong with either engine on the Stinger

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

Only a would take this copy cat sedan over a world class SHAWD smh

@suserman7775 2 года назад

I have this car and I can vouch for how excellent it is. Beautiful. Powerful. Practical. And so unique I always get a ton of people asking me about it. It's a joy to drive even if you aren't flooring it.

@billlobban9158 2 года назад

Have a 2020 GT2 AWD and love it! Have owned several performance MBs and BMWs and find the Stinger a much better car for the money. Great performance and practicality. Can't get over the number of people who come up to ask about the car, and as you've probably heard from others, they can't believe it's a KIA.

@ragamuffinm2834 5 месяцев назад

💯 I have 2019 GT AWD, and I absolutely love my car. It's functional, fun, and has a striking appearance in person (i was not impressed by the aesthetic of in the Stinger until i saw it in person-- cameras never do it justice. It's subtle beauty-- the right blend of curves and aggressive styling). People don't believe me when tell them it handles well in the snow-- until they're in the car with me or drive it themselves. The number of people who come up asking my car never ceases to amaze me. And I'm equally amazed that nearly the same number of strangers come up and compliment me for having the "courage" for making the decision they couldn't, and expressing regret over not getting a Stinger. I reckon if even half those people I talked to who wanted on and actually got one, maybe it wouldn't be getting discontinued. :/

@hellkitty1014 2 года назад

The good news: The Stinger is likely one of the few new cars sold that you can actually get a deal on these days. They have an unusually long avg days on dealers lots. I would get this over the TLX Type-S.

@MidnightAspec 2 года назад

While I wouldn’t get this over the Type S, I agree with the rest.

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

I trust Acura engineering a lot better plus SHAWD

@abbasjaffar7895 2 года назад

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@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@rahimi4762 Acura engineering hyped up the type s to be the biggest flop/disappointment of the decade literally lol. It’s slower then a 275hp DCT veloster N.

@hellkitty1014 2 года назад

The TLX is very cramped, nose-heavy, slower, behind in tech over this 5 year old car(no touchscreen/1:1 interface is behind thr times), and even thirstier, despite having a smaller, single turbo powertrain. It also weighs 4100-4300 pounds(my '20 Hellcat Redeye is 4450 and wayyy larger with a V8) Sure it has SH-AWD, but that does not account for FWD architecture and dynamics. The Acura is not a bad car, but for the money, there are other options.

@WillNotBow2Man 2 года назад

Absolutely love my '22 GT1 Stinger! Though I've been following this car since 2017 when it was announced. Finally glad I was able pick one up.

@McFanick 2 года назад

Yumm

@jamsbong 2 года назад

I do prefer frameless windows. It just looks so much more neat when the window is down. Also, you can come out of the car more easily with no frame in the way. I wish all cars have frameless windows. I remember my dad's old 1989 Subaru Leone had them in a sedan, it is one of those cool things that you remember when growing up as a kid.

@chrish8487 2 года назад

My wife's daily driver is a '21 Stinger GT which we purchased new for 35k. Fit and finish is ok and rear visibility isn't great, but the driving experience is excellent and the fun-to-drive factor is very good for the price.

@dieseldouche7735 2 года назад

I don't know how you got one that cheap when they're going for $50k+ used.

@ChristianC-gy1ym 2 года назад

Your analysis is spot on Alex. Good cars don't sell. Cheap gas efficient fwd cars sell. Or cheap cookie cutter crossovers sell. Not to say there is anything wrong with those cars. If you're using it for transportation only which is what most people do. But car people like us, we know better...

@duncanmclellan5479 2 года назад

The Stinger is awesome. I had a 2019 Gt1 AWD. Did some aftermarket work to get it up to a reliable 450hp. She flew and covered miles with ease. Tempted to get back into a 2.5 AWD, as they are no longer offering $10k off sticker as they were when I got mine. Truly worth a look for anyone wanting a 4 door non SUV.

@McFanick 2 года назад

Send me all the instructions for work you did i want to soup mine up or at least tell me where to go

@duncanmclellan5479 2 года назад

@@McFanick mods included…racing intercooler, cold air intakes, racing plugs, high flow down pipes, mid pipe (resonator turned into a proper X), catch cans, custom weld on the rear part of the exhaust to remove the crimp that’s stock ahead of the muffler, BOV, and a custom tune from Torq Motorsports to tie it all together…it was a mild tune up to 14psi. All in close to $3,500 and it made a noticeable improvement without sacrificing relaxed and quiet interstate cruising. You can get well over 500hp, but 450 proved enough for me.

@99-Zulu 2 года назад

Getting the 2.5t wouldn't be a bad buy. Kia advertised the 2.5t being 5 tenths slower to 60. When comparing the base engine to the premium engine isn't bad performance-wise. Sure it doesn't sound as good, but either way not a bad buy.

@duncanmclellan5479 2 года назад

@@99-Zulu taking about 200lbs off the front axel never hurts. I have the 2.5t in my Sonata NLine…it is no slouch

@kevinyoo0501 2 года назад

I went for RWD GT. Cheaper and more fun to drive for my taste. Great sport sedan for what you pay. 👏

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

Get what u pay for

@HellzHonour 2 года назад

In Canada, a fully loaded GT(2) Limited Stinger is $52k CDN ($41k USD). I bought my Stinger almost 2 years ago and have put on over 95,000km. The car offers excellent bang for buck and turns heads everywhere I go. It attracts even more attention now since I have a turbo back exhaust and intakes. Lol

@robertduklus6555 2 года назад

How do you find fit and finish, rattles after 2 years? Wind noise at higher speeds/highway. Good looking car, love it in red.

@CumBrianFries 2 года назад

@@robertduklus6555 The interior can rattle a bit at freeway speed in my experience. But nothing major aside from that.

@HellzHonour 2 года назад

@@robertduklus6555 for me personally, I have no rattles, creaking or popping noises in my interior unless the car is very cold or very hot. When it’s either of those, I have a bit of headliner crackling.

@trevorz426 2 года назад

The stinger is basically a modern Pontiac G8/Chevy SS alternative. I really have a soft spot for this very small mainstream premium RWD based segment. Kia’s performance models remind me a lot of the performance models Pontiac used to produce. They have a lot of great performance options and I hope the stinger has a future. One is definitely on my wish list coming from a 2016 Malibu 2.0t.

@pontiacGXPfan 2 года назад

It would be if it had a proper V8 instead of a breathed on V6 that still made less power than the old LS3

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@pontiacGXPfan the 3.3tt v6 is a beast of a motor lol…….it’s rated a 365 but dynos around 330 to the wheels. Just a piggyback jb4 some intakes and plugs can get 450whp, Real ECU tuning has just come out and people are getting 500whp with bolt ons and some ethanol.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

I came from a 2017 malibu premier 2.0t……..got a brand new 2020 GT AWD. The stinger is in a whole other league. Shit the 2.5t is in a whole other league let alone the 3.3t

@pontiacGXPfan 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 since it can't make that kind of power without having to use boost I don't see why i would be impressed

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@pontiacGXPfan so what does impress you? Basically every motor now a days has some form of forced induction. Except the American muscle cars which use huge displacement motors to get power not impressive at all imo. What really defines a good motor to me is how much power it can handle on stock turbos stock block etc. which the 3.3tt does very well.

@GearboxCarReviews 2 года назад

Nice review! I appreciate the detail! But I would say if I wanted an AWD mid-sized sedan and I was looking at a Stinger, I wouldn't necessarily go to the 2.5L Camry or the CVT Legacy. I'd probably shop it against the TLX Type S with a turbo 6 and a 10 speed auto.

@Steve-qi3mo 2 года назад

Smaller cargo and slower

@GearboxCarReviews 2 года назад

@@Steve-qi3mo Sure, but the Camry and Legacy also have less space than the Stinger and are also slower. I'm just saying they wouldn't be my first choice for cross-shopping.

@Steve-qi3mo 2 года назад

@@GearboxCarReviews yes true

@bikingmoments 2 года назад

This looks good. I think a fully loaded 2.5T is good enough to go!

@kkymn11 2 года назад

Previous year model GT1 and 2 had much meaner looking tail light and the wheels.Suited the car much better in my opinion. I hope KIA will reconsider discontinuing stinger for few more years! It's a beautifully designed car.

@user-pz9yg1go4e 2 года назад

It’s coming back as a ev

@rainman415 2 года назад

@@user-pz9yg1go4e I hope so, it's a dope car besides the fake vents on the hood.

@user-pz9yg1go4e 2 года назад

@@rainman415 I love mine. Great car.

@rolloutthebarrel 2 года назад

yeah, i personally like the old circle tail lights better than the light bar look. it's just too generic for me now, but owners have commented they like how it makes the stinger text badge look at night and some even like more than the old

@raphaelnam9981 2 года назад

I hear that the 2023 model is indeed coming back, but not sure on the trims. They are already taking orders in Korea for 2023

@sprague49 2 года назад

Both Kia and VW dealers consider the Stinger and Arteon respectively as halo cars. Showroom candy. In my region neither dealer ever had more than one, maybe two to choose from on hand even in the best of times. Never in the color and configuration I was shopping for. Otherwise I'd have bought one of them by now.

@flybriur 2 года назад

That's a bummer. It really is a do-it-all car that is a ton of fun to to drive. A dealer about 35 miles from me happen to have the exact model and color combo I was looking for back in July 2020, and because it was a 2019 model, they offered well under MSRP, so it was a no-brainer decision.

@ejohnson3131 2 года назад

The fastback design on this thing is no joke! I hit my head really hard getting in the backseat of this thing at the LA auto show a few years ago.

@ninetymm 2 года назад

Branding does matter once the price tag reaches certain point. Hyundai/Kia dealership experience doesn't help either.

@frumpd63 2 года назад

I had a GT1 for a while. It's a cool car that IMO, is a good alternative to a CUV. It delivers speed, looks, and storage but not much fizz in the bends. The big motor gets absolutely atrocious fuel economy and reaching the touchscreen was a serious pain if you're tall. I sold it to get into a high spec Giulia 2.0 that feels WAY more special and actually gets much better fuel economy.

@FoYo1005 2 года назад

I am very much considering following suit. A Certified Preowned Guila TI Sport can be barely more than than the new Stinger GT-Line and it's been the best steering car I've yet driven. Also I'm tall and the sport seats in the Giulia TI Sport seem to be very supportive in the right ways.

@brianb7844 2 года назад

Giulia Ti sport owner here also. It is truly a special drive. I added a go pedal, pop it in Dynamic and let the fun begin.

@norwegianblue2017 2 года назад

I wish the Guilia entry model had a NA version of the Quadrifoglio V6. Can't get my mind around spending 50k on a 2.0T.

@FoYo1005 2 года назад

@@norwegianblue2017 that's what bmw, audi, and Mercedes are charging. The Giulia 2.0t is feels more special

@xavierp0nce 2 года назад

How was the reliability? I'm looking to get one sometime this year, hopefully.

@ctk4949 2 года назад

I tried to lease one a few years back and they wanted $4k down and like $650 a month for a GT2 36/10K. They had like 10 on the lot.

@towelies4884 2 года назад

Ouch. That’s insane. No wonder they still had many on the lot

@ctk4949 2 года назад

@@towelies4884 yea it was called Sunshine Kia in Miami, FL. The sales guy also said I had to pay tax on the full amount of the car and just not the lease monthly payment. LOL, no wonder that placed is out of business now!!

@Polliocean 2 года назад

That seems to be a reoccurring trend among Kia dealerships it seems. Had a similar case for me; Kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth about the car even though this is a dealer thing

@Alvan81 2 года назад

Unfortunately when the volume goes down, less intelligent dealers will then try to make more money on each car, smh!

@marknatanael6915 2 года назад

Alex, love your reviews. Your test methods really allow your viewers to compare the vehicles you are testing on level ground. Can you help me highlight the difference in highway driving between the Stinger GT2 and the TLX Type S? Which one feels more planted, less fatigue on long road trips and how do their seats compare?

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

TLX feels a lot more substantial as a car. Not a comparison

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@rahimi4762 lol Stinger destroys the type s. Alex said himself it’s just a better car. Type s is embarrassingly slow for the price and being the newest powertrain in the segment.

@dabradguy 2 года назад

I sell Hondas and we had a used one of these on our lot for a while. It was the 4 cylinder AWD. Not as roomy as the Accord, but I could not find anything to complain about. Great driving car and very nice interior.

@Vifam7 2 года назад

I considered buying the Stinger back in 2018. I instead opted for the Buick Regal which also is a liftback with AWD optional. Ofcourse, just when GM finally brings a nice sedan to the market, they quickly drop it. At least the Stinger might be be around for another year or 2.

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

That was a shame, but the problem was the Regal really didn't match the rest of the Buick lineup or their traditional older buyers. Alas, GM no longer had a more suitable brand. Saturn was a hodgepodge of unrelated models by the end, but I could have seen the Regal as a Pontiac if they could have kept the price reasonable.

@garrettw99 2 года назад

@@markmiller3279 also Buick seemed to just want to kill all their non-SUVs

@afcgeo882 2 года назад

@@markmiller3279 Actually, the problem was that the Regal was an Opel Insignia, designed and made in Germany. GM sold the Opel company and its lineup, so once that model finished, GM had no Regal to sell.

@felixt1470 2 года назад

I looked at that Buick also but in the end bought a Volvo.

@99-Zulu 2 года назад

@@afcgeo882 The Regal and the Malibu are platform siblings. The Malibu is still selling, yes the Regal was assembled by Opel. But that could have changed, brought to the Fairfax plant. If they didn't want to market it as a Buick. Then change it to the Chevy Malibu. A Malibu sportback, wagon, and a performance model. Would have sold better under the Malibu nameplate. Adding AWD to all the models would have helped as well. Especially now that Nissan and Toyota are adding AWD. The only other midsized sedan from a US automaker was the Ford Fusion which was discontinued.

@ethanmckibbin 2 года назад

They also depreciate like rocks, you can find a one year old stinger and it's like 25k

@Tsand4 2 года назад

Lol they hold value very well idk what ur talking about maybe a base model for 25k you can’t get a v6 for under 35k right now.

@ethanmckibbin 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 I saw a fully loaded GT at CarMax yesterday and it was nowhere near 30 😂

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@ethanmckibbin are u sayin it was below 30 or above 30?lol

@ethanmckibbin 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 below

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@ethanmckibbin ok post the link…….. because that’s literally BS……….Just went on car max caravana even the 2.0t stingers are 30k

@snowman2834 2 года назад

I went in to buy a stinger back in 2018. They gave me a lecture how this is an m3 killer etc, I asked for $800 discount so I can be in my budget and they shut me down instantly. I ended up with a q50 red sport, and I got 5k off. Kia is shooting themselves in the foot

@christianflores6626 2 года назад

Kia isn’t, that dealership is shooting them in the foot

@Alvan81 2 года назад

Car dealers are basically everyone's worst enemy, even their own Factory!😒😒

@snowman2834 2 года назад

@@Alvan81 I agree

@snowman2834 2 года назад

@@christianflores6626 but if your market maker I making you fail due to greed and personal gain, kia is the one that needs to address it

@suserman7775 2 года назад

I looked at the Q50 before buying the Stinger because they had special offers. The base model was missing something I thought was basic. Can't recall what it was but I think it was heated seats. I told them about the Stinger and they said "yeah but the Infiniti is faster". Needless to say I was very disappointed with Infiniti. Also, on the test drive I noticed really strange and bad on-center feel with the steering on the Q50. A couple of reviews I saw later mentioned the same thing.

@daweed980 2 года назад

I would only recommend buying it if you're going to run it to the ground. Resale value is TERRIBLE 😱

@jaroslavchizhov7078 2 года назад

Dear Alex, I like your reviews and how you quantify features by assigning scores for Acceleration, Braking etc. I would like to ask to possibly add a Utility aspect as well. Yes, you measure the trunk by the number of duffle bags, but there is also a need to see if you can fit things like Ikea furniture packaged in boxes or similar cargo. An A utility would be a vehicle where you can fold flat the front passenger seat, fit in a say 2'x8' package or kayak of a similar dimension and close a hatch. Is it something possible to add? Thank you, Jaroslav

@ragamuffinm2834 5 месяцев назад

I can tell you right now that you been absolutely make IKEA trips with this beast. When IKEA had the recall on the dressers, my husband was about to rent a uhaul and told him don't bother, the dresser will fit in the Stinger, and as is (unassembled). He didnt believe me, but said fine. Much to his amazement the dresser fit in the trunk (seats down) fully assembly, without issue. Slid right in. We only do IKEA trips with my Stinger now.

@jaroslavchizhov7078 5 месяцев назад

Hello there! My comment wasn't referred to any specific car, but rather reviews in general. Personally, I care less about the size of the display, but appreciate practicality, dependability and efficiency. And it was the practicality that I wanted to see covered at a greater extend. Like take an 8' Ikea boxed pack (not just a duffel bag), and see if it can fit in a utility type of vehicle.

@garrettw99 2 года назад

I always forget about the Stinger when comparing midsize family sedans. It’s such a great car. I wish it had a plug-in or EV option because fuel economy isn’t Kia’s Forte. The Kia EV6 might be the alternative.

@McFanick 2 года назад

Oooooooooooh

@timefly4221 2 года назад

I own a Kia Optima SXL and would be looking at the Stinger as my next vehicle if it weren’t for the terrible fuel economy. There’s no excuse for a 45k modern sedan having a sub-25mpg highway rating unless it has a boosted V8 and 600+ HP, which the Stinger does not.

@starztrukk 2 года назад

This exactly. I have a '19 SX and at one time considered the GT2 after the lease ends. But i just can't give up 34+ highway mpg. This 2.0 consistently overperforms on the highway and I've grown to love it lol

@Pebbles2639 2 года назад

I love my 2022 stinger gt2 probably the closest thing to a perfect car in my mind

@douglaskurka5874 2 года назад

My red/black GT2 is waiting for me on the showroom floor. Can't wait to pick up on Wednesday. Perfect is an understatement !

@walterivanfairview 2 года назад

The VW Arteon is another forgotten amazing car

@robertduklus6555 2 года назад

agree, although vw never gave it in north america the same goodies the euro spec had. as usual to keep price lower.

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

It's beautiful, but expensive for what it is.

@corpnupe85 2 года назад

The hyundai/Kia’s are still perceived as subpar vehicles. When I have traded my Genesis G80 vehicles in for a luxury vehicle, the trade in values have been abysmal. Until that subpar stigma is removed these vehicles will not do well.

@diamondd2778 2 года назад

Hyundai n kia are super popular here.

@weirdshibainu 2 года назад

Precovid, my local dealer was open on Saturdays noon to 6, closed on Sundays. They never advertised. I looked at a Stinger and it was about the worst salesperson I've encountered ( I sold cars for a year) and honestly the entire dealership behaved as though they were bored. It was sad.

@mgp9733 2 года назад

Sorry Alex, have to disagree. I rather have the performance versatility of torque vectoring in a TLX than the rear wheel drive Stinger. As a fun weekend vehicle it might be better but if you need a daily driver with good performance and a supremely comfortable ride, I'd go with the TLX.

@BN99239 2 года назад

I actually did cross shop the Stinger when I was shopping for a C43/S4/M340i but the Stinger, although its straight line speed felt pretty good, did not have the "overall package". Driving dynamics felt numb, engine and exhaust sounded like an economy car, steering didn't feel like anything, luxury in terms of design and materials is mediocre. Realistically, this car is only $5k or so cheaper than its German competitors and when people are spending $50k+ another $5k or so for better driving dynamics, sound and luxury is well worth it. Of course, there's also brand image for whoever cares about this. We can talk crap about brand image all day, but the majority of people who can afford more expensive brands DO care about brand image end of the day, and Kia does not offer that. Overall, it makes sense that the Kia did not sell. If this car was priced at $45k then yes, I think it has a bigger chance of success.

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

Base prices for German cars, yes, but they all kill you with options, including safety features standard on cheaper cars.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

A fully loaded German is damn near 70k lol you can get literally a bare bones m340i c43 or s4 for 55-58k. The stinger/g70 are fully loaded at 53k. Not even close.

@BN99239 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 Of course you won't understand if you're just looking at the MSRP on paper. German cars lease extremely well. My optioned out C43 is $570/mo. A lease for the loaded Stinger GT2 I was looking at was a stupid $700/mo. Kia won't even negotiate because this is their top end sports car whereas a C43/M340i/S4 are still below their top end full AMG/M/RS so you can negotiate for a much better deal as well. Either a $55k Kia Stinger or a $57k Mercedes C43 AMG. The choice was pretty obvious lol.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@BN99239 I don’t lease u buy my vehicles lol

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@japanwatchconnection a m340i is much more expensive I hope it should lol you can’t get a brand new m340i for anything under around 58k bare bones. I got my stinger 3.3tt v6 awd 2020 brand new for 37k……….and does the 1/4 mile 12.5 stock 🤷🏻‍♂️

@jerbsherb4391 2 года назад

I think you have to remember that branding plays a huge part in peoples decision making. If I have a choice between buying an Acura or a stinger, I would pay the badge tax and get the Acura. If I am an enthusiast, I would get the Stinger in a heart beat. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of enthusiasts and the poor sales of this car is a good indicator.

@catinthehat5140 2 года назад

It shouldn't matter. Caring about what others think is a flaw

@markmiller3279 2 года назад

True, for those who care (not me), but the bigger problem is that sedan sales (except true luxury models) are tanking. Throw in an oddball liftback design (which I love), poor gas mileage, and a brand associated with hamsters, and this was always going to sell in low numbers.

@jerbsherb4391 2 года назад

@@catinthehat5140 I understand how you feel but that's not how the market works and you can't convince the majority how they need to think.

@jerbsherb4391 2 года назад

@@markmiller3279 I have always been a big sedan guy but with how efficient the hybrid crossovers have become, it's stupid if I bought an expensive sedan when I could get an SUV for a very similar price. I am a home owner and i do a lot of shopping and sometimes for home improvement. Sedans will continue to be on decline unfortunately.

@plightn 2 года назад

It’s about perception, Kia has had a lot of issues in the past with early engine failure and that’s hard to overcome.

@suserman7775 2 года назад

Is that why they can't keep the Tellurides on the lot?

@plightn 2 года назад

@@suserman7775 I think they think that it will be covered by warranty but a lot of times manufacturer don't honor the warranty, claiming that it was wear and tear.

@damilolaakanni 2 года назад

The engines that had issues were the 2.4 theta engines and the 3.3 N/A V6, they have been discontinued. The Telluride uses a 3.8 V6 that hasn't been proven yet.

@ATRichard 2 года назад

@@damilolaakanni That engine HAS been proven - that’s why they’re using it in the Telluride/Palisade. That Hyundai/Kia 3.8L V6 has been around forever, at least since the early 2000s or so. It’s one of the most tried and true powertrains they offer. They even offered it on the original Genesis models and the G80 all the way up until it’s most recent redesign. Crazy reliable engine.

@alwaysiyi272 2 года назад

Its an awesome car, but when you are paying 50+ grand for a sports sedan, it becomes hard to sell when it has a Kia logo on it, while brand snobbery isn't right, it deeply affects a lot of people buying decisions it is easier to sell the same car under the Genesis brand because Genesis isn't acquainted with cheap economy sedans, while they still don't have the prestige of brands like BMW, Lexus or Mercedes, it isn't a Kia, which is a shame because the Stinger is one awesome car, but most people will choose a TLX- Type S, even tho it might be slightly slower or not RWD simply because it is an Acura. There is also the dealership thing, most dealerships seem to think that their Stinger is a BMW M3 fighter or something and then mark up the car which then discourages them from buying it. But this car would make one hell of a used deal in the next coming years.

@nb3016 2 года назад

I have a 2018 Stinger and I love the car, but the dealer/service shop experience has been horrendous. So bad, in fact, that I doubt I seriously consider another Kia until they revamp their US dealer experience. Fantastic vehicles failed by low effort staff.

@waterdawg08 2 года назад

Had a 2018 also and 100 percent agree with you about the dealership experience. I got rid of the stinger for that very reason and got a 21 bmw 4 series.

@t.hartman1063 2 года назад

Loved the Stinger, but the dealer experience here leaves a bit to be desired.

@JBM425 2 года назад

As the saying goes, I hear that a lot about Kia dealers. In my own experience , there are three dealers near me; two were OK, but one totally came off as “slimy.“

@hellkitty1014 2 года назад

Having driven a Wolf Grey GT2, it was an absolute blast. For the $$, it gave up very little to the Germans. Thr fuel economy is akin to something like a Charger 5.7 HEMI, but if you can get past that, it is one neat car for $45-$50K. I don't understand why Kia has yet to give it the digital dash...thats available in something like a K5 though.

@aRANDOMqUICKIEgunsandfun 2 года назад

precisely why id never go for one. I have a charger RT and cant see any reason to get one of these. I get similar MPG, more room for passengers, two more cylinders, more power, better sound, and all for less price. I can go scatpack for the same price and get even more power. Also the looks of the charger do it for me more than the stinger, i cant stand the fake vents

@hellkitty1014 2 года назад

@@aRANDOMqUICKIEgunsandfun totally agreed. I was quite surprised this has slightly worse mileage than the Charger, but physics could also be at play because this car weighs more than a Charged R/T. And you're right, for the money, a 392 would be a damn good buy, even if it doesn't handle quite as good.

@stephenpatterson8056 2 года назад

Man it's crazy how these Mfrs will always be sure to source perfect examples to reviewers. If reviewers like Alex and Sofyan and The Straight Pipes were provided vehicles with the sorts of build issues (creaky and rattley panels, rattling/knocking sunroofs) that us actual owners have to deal with, I feel like they'd be less positive. I'm just watching this video and when he's in the car driving it's just silent. DEAD. SILENT. That's not how these cars are in the real world. Both my current $53K Genesis G70 and Previous $52K Stinger exhibit far more build issues that my previous vehicles that were half or less of the price of these. I just got the Genesis in October. Less than 3K miles. It has a sunroof that knocks around in warm weather ( I live in NOLA so ALWAYS), a rattle somewhere in the dash, a rattle somewhere in the driver's door card, and now that it's cold, some OTHER knocking in the rear somewhere that I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. I think it's clear how Hyundai/Kia offer these vehicles at the price points they do compared to the German makes...

@Carfan678 2 года назад

I love my German cars but those have there issues long term themselves, BMW the radiator is the first thing to break, Audis burn oil, and Mercedes electronics break all just my experience of course

@Tsand4 2 года назад

Every car brand is some bad some good. I have a stinger gt and have no rattles at all over the year n a half I’ve owned mine. Every single car has its quirks. Doesn’t matter how cheap or expensive. I’m in multiple different car groups on fb and people are always bitching about stuff. Each car group has there own unique set of problems that happen with the respective cars.

@stephenpatterson8056 2 года назад

@Carfan678 That's true. But I lease so never really have to deal with long term issues. I just need a car to be solid for 3 years. And it's disconcerting having had 2 relatively expensive vehicles that have these issues essentially from day 1

@Tsand4 2 года назад

@@stephenpatterson8056 shit if you lease I wouldn’t care one bit lol you get a new car in a year or 2. I’m just sayin that new car you get will have its own set of little annoyances.

@moloono1 2 года назад

@@Tsand4 I know it’s a totally different purchase mentality, but leasing is such a waste of money. If you bought a car that could last 10 years and >150k miles, after 3 or 4 years you wouldn’t have a car payment and you’d still have a car to last you a while. Just my 2 cents.

@b1bo840 2 года назад

here’s why the stinger isn’t selling: in addition to being a kia, the stinger is not an attractive car. the profile reveals an almost station wagon design (ugh). the front looks like old japanese manga which is in stark contrast to the rear (the only attractive part of the car) which looks aggressive. the size of the car makes the wheels look smaller than they really are. it’s not a sexy car with curvy body lines like the accord sport. oh btw, comparing a 50k stinger to a 30k accord says far more for the accord than the stinger 🤣🤣🤣

@sowhat6247 2 года назад

I would never spend $ 53k on a Kia. Ever.

@nicholaspetre1 2 года назад

I dont understand one thing. Can somebody explain me how can a normal person who understands at least something in cars possibly choose to purchase KIA overs such brands as Honda, Toyota, Acura and Lexus. Ok, I understand that German cars might be not that reliable and fixing them can scary potential buyer who can choose KIA. But it does not make sense to pay so much money -$45,000 for KIA !!!! It is a Korean car. Their engines are not even close to Japanese ones. Inside they look cheap, I mean cheaper than Japanese. They are far from being as reliable as Japanese. The only reason one can go for Korean car is price. It has to have significantly cheaper sticker price for the normal adequate buyer to start looking at Korean cars. Even being really drunk I would not pick Korean car over Japanese. Okay, Korean cars might include more corks and features that makes them attractive for not knowledgeable buyer in comparison with Japanese but it does not make them a better vehicles overall. I do not know why reviewer keeps admiring these cars so much that he can easily advise his viewers so consider buying KIA vehicles over Japanese brands.

@Tinrs80 2 года назад

agree with u but the bots will attack u for sayin something against Kia lol

@mr.c6674 2 года назад

You obviously know zero about KIA. Your comment is the same as Americans viewed Toyota, Mazda, etc in the early 70s to late 80s. Now look at where GM, Ford, Chrysler (haha) stand in the eyes of many! Look into the reliability of all car makers, and you will see that Kia/Hyundai is near the top year after year. Actually sit in, touch, and drive a Kia or Hyundai without blinded bias.

@nicholaspetre1 2 года назад

@@Tinrs80 You know, I usually keep quiet but this time the words like - “Those potential customers who consider buying TY, Honda, Acura should also consider this - KIA”. Really? this piece of crap for $45K with damn GDI engine from Korea that I should consider!!!! Many people are watching you. And I really like Alex. I ve been watching him for years . I know he likes KIA. Sorry, Today I just could not hold it. For the same price as Japanese cars I could recommend a Korean car only to my enemy, I am sorry. I am ready for hater attacks. I just dont want normal people got sidetracked started thinking that Korean car is a good alternative because it is far from being so.

@gasstation405 2 года назад

Oh look, I found the average TLX Type Slow buyer.

@Tsand4 2 года назад

Yea this is def a Honda/Acura fanboy salty he bought the biggest dud of the century in the TLX type s lol

@Jeeper1378 2 года назад

Saw one in person for the first time .. loved it.

@gorgonismztruth1551 2 года назад

no one buys the stinger cause its a $53K (for the fast one) car with a KIA logo on it ... = fail ... they should have made it $35K like ford did with the fusion sport

@imnotusingmyrealname4566 2 года назад

Was the Fusion Sport this good though?

@kovalm3 2 года назад

Could not agree with you more.

@ThisGuyRides 2 года назад

They do make that, called K5.

@trent7080 2 года назад

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 No one is going to pay that much when you can get a Charger Scat Pack WB for less.

@kromahj 2 года назад

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 who want to pay 53k for this if you can get the G70 bro, or you can get the charger scat pack if you want something fun to drive

@andrewlee88 2 года назад

More people need to see this video. Good job on covering all the bases!

@SilentKnight43 2 года назад

Only twice in 57 years have I owned a vehicle that I never fail to look back at after parking it. Bought a 2019 Kia StingerGT-2 3.3L AWD Limited last April - and LOVE it! I constantly get compliments and questions about it nearly everytime I take it out. There's very few of them around in our local area so they stand out. The performance is great...they handle awesome...and the features are nice. One aspect that doesn't really get mentioned in most reviews is the terrific-sounding 750W 15-speaker Harmon-Kardon audio system (with sub-woofer). I had the Bose system in my old 2011 Kia Optima that sounded sweet - but the H/K system really ups the game. Our local Kia dealership recently replaced all 4 rotors under warranty due to a known factory warp - so that was good.

@YoHester Год назад

Beautiful breakdown !!!

@DarienAllen 2 года назад

Thanks for reviewing this car Alex. I have a 2018 GT2 as my daily and it is an incredible car.

@Wire-Free 2 года назад

Wow, that's a lot to think about! Excellent comparisons, thanks again Alex!

@ThinkBeFree99 2 года назад

Several people around me have them. I see them driving around me. They are so nice and truly a sight to see. They are different than the typical run of the mill BMW, Audi, Lexus...and I like that. It makes them seem more special and fun to me. And when i found out they can give their owner more for leas, it made me appreciate them even more. I hope the Stinger stays around longer and maybe we will get a Stinger sub brand one day...like Scion...but done right.

@alphaqbcosur2secc 2 года назад

Absolutely great review. Justifies the reasoning I made when purchasing my stinger 2022 GT2 version

@iceman.83 2 года назад

Excellent review, very concise and to the point!

@1227Masher 2 года назад

I purchased a 2022 Stinger GT2 last month. Amazing vehicle and so underrated.

@steffenbaumann840 2 года назад

Thus Car is beautiful and the qualiti ist high, thanks for show all things, very good work

@guypascua8848 2 года назад

I know 2 Stinger owners that traded their BMWs for their Stingers and are amazed at the performance they get with the lower maintenance costs compared to the BMW. We find that the Stinger is more fun and faster than our Dodge Charger R/T tuned to 450hp. My son at 6'2" 260lbs fits nicely in the back seat.

@jrarsenault1937 Год назад

Utterly brilliant review. Concise, comparative, loaded with usable data, confident suggestions. Looking at Audi A5 sportback, your comparo here was spot on. Looked at many of your friendly competitor posts on the Stinger, bland and two dimensional at best. Bravo for excellence in overall production.

@nahanni2k 2 года назад

Just bought a 22 gt elite, which is similar to the gym in USA. Agree with your reviews and comments, a true pleasure to drive. Keep up the excellent reviews and honest comments. I compared to G70, which has less rear seat room and trunk space. Wish they used the stinger logo in center of the rear in Canada, they put it on the left rear of the vehicle.

@falkin42 2 года назад

I actually see so many of these in South Texas; it really surprised me that they said it wasn't selling enough.

@ruturaj47 2 года назад

Love my stinger, got it because you said you might get one for yourself in your first review, that was good enough of reason for me. My girlfriend at the time and now my wife ended bup buying one. Mine was lease and I returned mine but we kept hers. Both were GT2 AWD. Also installing thicker rear sway bar as per your recommendation in first video made it much better. I like it that it didn't sell well. Car felt rare but I have been seeing at least one stinger once a day now in Seattle WA area.

@Truehoon 2 года назад

how does the awd compared to rwd. Is the driving dynamics a big difference? Iknow the AWD is great for snow and probably for rain too here in seattle.

@ruturaj47 2 года назад

@@Truehoon yes, pretty good overall actually. I am noob, so it saves me from spinning out plus in sports mode it sends 80% to rear. From 0 it's faster than RWD but rolling RWD are little bit faster. I live in Bellevue, WA.

@jeansassine 2 года назад

Great car with a lot of options! One thing that is keeping many people from buying it is quality of material, the car is well built with cheap material. Almost every person I know that bought it complain about plastics squeaking, leather seats wrinkled after a year or two…things like that. Yet I’m still considering this car as my next one. Great review as usual 👍

@rahimi4762 2 года назад

Sounds like a BMW

@jeansassine 2 года назад

@@rahimi4762 and I own a BMW too 🤦‍♂️ 2019 X5, too much plastic there too, and very uncomfortable seats. Thank goodness it’s a lease 😅