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Grief, Feathers, and Literary Conventions 

CloudCuckooCountry
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Комментарии : 82   
@EmperorTigerstar
@EmperorTigerstar 8 лет назад
As usual my brain pulsated from the influx of intelligence after watching this for a good hour.
@solocitizen
@solocitizen 7 лет назад
Please do more of these. RU-vid doesn't have enough literary analysis.
@Rayndrops
@Rayndrops 7 лет назад
Orson Scott Card was a playwright before he wrote Ender's Game, and that certainly effected his style of writing.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 7 лет назад
Interesting. I didn't know this.
@Edible_Kittens
@Edible_Kittens 8 лет назад
The fact that I can understand this at all is a testament to how clear and great of a writer you are. If these sorts of ideas were handled by someone else, I wouldn't have understood it as well or completely so that's cool I guess.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
Hey everyone.I'm interstate at the moment, so I haven't been able to make a proper thumbnail for this video. Also, this video was written back in March, but we ran into some crippling production problems while I was busy in mid-semester, so it had to get delayed. You can see some of the writing quips that give evidence to this. I reference both Undertale and The Beginner's Guide from back when they were still more relevant. Sorry for the long wait... again... but do know that providing regular content is still something I'm trying to set up .Please consider donating to my Patreon, as the money is now going towards paying editors. Hope you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching.
@puglosipher1666
@puglosipher1666 8 лет назад
Watching your videos is very calming... mmm thanks.
@Castrimaris
@Castrimaris 4 года назад
Criminally underrated channel, this one.
@rodrigo3732
@rodrigo3732 3 года назад
1:19 dude,i am 20 and am still fighting against the silmarillion. You are fine
@fornogoodreason551
@fornogoodreason551 8 лет назад
you know when you got overly harsh on yourself a while ago you had convinced me for what ever daft reason I wasn't suppose to enjoy this channel. And after watching this piece, that's just plain silly. Loved it.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
I am my own harshest critic.
@PENGUINGIRL1210
@PENGUINGIRL1210 8 лет назад
Your videos always fascinate me. I'm so glad the art of analyzing and enjoying literature isn't all dead like people tell me it is. Also, my heart skipped a beat when you mentioned The Beginner's Guide because I just played it not too long ago, and it's amazing! It would be fun to hear your thoughts on it (not forcing you or anything) but I'll definitely pacify myself by checking out the video you linked. Hope you're having a fun time this summer. P.S. The concept of "words just being words" is a really interesting you bring up. I'll have to think about that more now. I've learned that the more I'm getting into writing, the more (strangely enough) I've been trying out new forms of things and really enjoying it. It's fun to play around with forms and see how that really effects a story.
@AntonyCannon
@AntonyCannon 8 лет назад
I once saw a cute Japanese cartoon show about giant clone cyborgs that occasionally attempted to remove settings and physical objects from the narrative. It comprised of segments wherein the voice cast naval-gaze for hours over abstract illustrations. I think it might have done something to inform the characters. And sweeten the animation budget.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
I imagine that it probably works better in a written story than a visual story. Although I'd definitely like to see what you mean.
@m_crowley6674
@m_crowley6674 6 лет назад
Something called, New Lime Gelatin? IDK I don't recollect it well
@archonofplagues1329
@archonofplagues1329 5 лет назад
Anthony C: I'm pretty sure the navel gazing was prevalent on the third act if we're talking about the same series. Just to make sure we're on the same page, did this series have a backlash so great that the director made a sequel movie flipping the bird on different parts of that series' fandom (e.g. the rule 34 community, the "Michael Bay" type audience, etc.)?
@DeathAlchemist
@DeathAlchemist 8 лет назад
Amazing as usual. I always love it when people talk about how each piece of art has a reason to be in its specific medium and how it uses said medium to gt its message across in a way that only it's medium can. I can't wait to see more videos.
@Kraigon42
@Kraigon42 8 лет назад
I think the best words I can offer is that what you call "going off-topic" is exactly what I love the most about reviews such as those you do. I could probably offer more words for conversation, but seeing as the only topics you actually covered here that I'm familiar with are Undertale and Errant Signal's video (which I watched despite not having played The Beginner's Guide), I fear that would end up being further off-topic and even less useful.
@TheDoctor423
@TheDoctor423 6 лет назад
Heh... if you want something unconventional, and done exceptionally well, I'd strongly recommend "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski; its a meta-narrative psychological horror novel that does absolutely everything it can to screw with your head. And if you're looking for something to base a series of these videos on... I'd recommend the free web serial novel, "Worm" by Wildbow, which is perhaps the single most realistic take on superheroes ever written. Yes, even moreso than Watchmen.
@somniloguy12
@somniloguy12 7 лет назад
19:01 This, absolutely this is what I needed for my own writing. I know it must be eye-rolling to read a comment from someone who can never shut up about their own personal books/writings/screenplays what have you, but I have been struggling to much with this in my personal works and I am glad that it was finally put into words for me. It is so hard for me to know just how much I 'need' to describe to get my message across, which usually means that my descriptions are way too long. Your video has given me another piece of the puzzle to work with. I realise now that I am looking at it completely the wrong way when I am writing as if I am describing a movie that is in my head, and my words are only a poor translation of that film. Like I said, probably a bit of a pretentious comment on my end, but I want to put into words just how much this video has meant to me.
@MatildaJane01
@MatildaJane01 4 года назад
Thank you so much for this in-depth analysis! Very helpful :)
@napsylev6922
@napsylev6922 8 лет назад
This was great, your editor did a premium job!
@Anthaghoull
@Anthaghoull 4 года назад
Dude... you raise the bar up. Your content has a really high quality and I love it so fucking much! As an aspiring writer... I find this to be one of the best sources of wisdom about writing, apart from actually reading. Just so you know, you caused a lot of re-drafts :)) Thank you!
@DavidMacDowellBlue
@DavidMacDowellBlue 8 лет назад
I really really liked this. Always pleased to see new entries from this channel!
@leopardeye1654
@leopardeye1654 8 лет назад
Really glad your back by the way. Here's me looking forward to see more of you soon.
@jamescolrman8289
@jamescolrman8289 8 лет назад
YES A NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!
@EpsilDelta197
@EpsilDelta197 6 лет назад
This video made me really interested in the book, and I now have a copy of it on my desk! I'll be going through it over the weekend.
@enjohneering9673
@enjohneering9673 6 лет назад
First you reply to a comment on a year old video and now you mention and use concepts from 'The Beginner's Guide'. I am 100% sold on this channel.
@hllawilton2
@hllawilton2 8 лет назад
Glad to see you back for a little while
@PIZA5039
@PIZA5039 6 лет назад
I like the phrase “deconstructive” rather than subversive because I feel like that it what people really mean to say
@winwinwe
@winwinwe 6 лет назад
Really a lovely channel. So glad Shammy sent me your way; I haven't been able to find much of anyone doing this type of thing on RU-vid, especially with experimental stuff. Will be becoming a Patreon.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 6 лет назад
Thank you very much. I will try to be worth your money.
@lennyfais5040
@lennyfais5040 8 лет назад
Yay new video!
@freazeezy
@freazeezy 8 лет назад
i dont know who said it first but someone said that movies based an video games so often fail because when you convert the story to film you remove the interaction. its interesting that adding visuals to a none visual written scene would spoil it.
@blackmonish
@blackmonish 5 лет назад
I haven't read the work, and I may be way off, but that rambling reminded me slightly of the rants in the Fight Club novel, which I did enjoy. That Errant Signal video was interesting, however I think it's a great example of how often he tears down something he said in the past as a falicy, even though he is critiquing Subjective material-which means that there is no golden rule about reviewing such things. Great video man, keep up the good work!
@ooccttoo
@ooccttoo 8 лет назад
So good you see you and your content again ^_^ I really needed something stimulating to watch. As for discussion, the thing that came to my mind first was that the structure of the novella seemed supremely conventional in how it presented grief. I've seen many other works that do the exact same thing (first to come to mind being Majora's Mask) so I wouldn't call it unconventional for a start.
@schluebenschlaucher1130
@schluebenschlaucher1130 6 лет назад
they are making a movie out of this look it up
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 6 лет назад
They're actually making a stage play. And y'know that will be interesting to see if they manage to make a successful adaptation of the novel. I can certainly see how this novel would make a play better than it would make a film. Also this news was announced way after this video was published.
@schluebenschlaucher1130
@schluebenschlaucher1130 6 лет назад
yes I know and also sorry for I was incorrect I just found your chanel and im going through all of your videos
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 8 лет назад
WHOA BLOODY HELL A VIDEO cheers (y)
@JimFear138
@JimFear138 8 лет назад
Very interesting. I love books that take this kind of approach to the prose, though I haven't heard of one that presents its narrators in this way before. This reminds me a lot of William S. Burroughs, just with less heroin and butt fucking. In any event, I picked this up and I'll give it a read on my lunch hour when I've got some time to myself. Thanks for the recommendation and the thought provoking video, man.
@EnderLord007
@EnderLord007 6 лет назад
I couldn't agree more with that comment about extensive descriptions. If you're not adding anything besides telling the reader how to think about a character or setting, what are you doing? Let the reader's imagination do the job of filling in details so you don't need to clog your page doing that.
@A1Kangorrilapig
@A1Kangorrilapig 6 лет назад
Ok so I’ve been blasting through this birds back catalogue of reviews analysis and so on, since I saw a recommendation from shammy. I just feel that I need to stress that I, (one) love these videos and (two) how does he not have a sponsorship deal with audible yet?
@SerechII
@SerechII 6 лет назад
Drink everytime cuckoo says novella
@joe2501echo
@joe2501echo 8 лет назад
I enjoy listening to your opinion. I'm not a big reader, but that's mostly due to money problems and my entire family getting banned from the local library because my little sister decided to check out over $500 worth of books and gave them away to her friends. So, most of my reading done nowadays is mostly creepypastas and fanfiction with a competently written hook... I've lost my train of thought. Anyway, this gives me a few ideas for an uninspired FNaF fanfiction story that's been sitting half-baked in the back of my mind since the first game came out. The main theme thus far would best be described as 'paradox.' There's also a healthy dose of cyberpunk since it's easier to warp a character's perception in that setting, and I really like cyberpunk. Really, I could put it in any setting and even remove all mention of FNaF and the core story wouldn't be affected. Heck, even the dialogue would remain mostly intact. I think that's the sign that the story is ready to be written.
@barkbitstaketwo
@barkbitstaketwo 8 лет назад
You're 21 already? They grow up so fast. I agree that differing from convention can almost highlight the ways is sticks to convention. But it can also let it get away with this. For instance if the structure of the novel were like any other it might be tossed aside as a poor Edgar Alan Poe knockoff. Granted I haven't read the book yet so I'm not entirely sure on any of that. :P Either way, great review and I'm glad to have you back. ^.^
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
I think I addressed this in the video when I said that broad mainstream audiences are more likely to appreciate subversion and convention-breakage when they're presented upon a structure of familiarity.
@Brainstrain91
@Brainstrain91 6 лет назад
The more thoroughly you break one convention, the more closely you have to adhere to the others. Assuming you want your story to be readable.
@HeartSongPony
@HeartSongPony 8 лет назад
Talk nerdy to me XD I always forget how much I love your videos until I watch a new one, Lol
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
Thank you. I always think my videos are great until I watch them. lol
@HeartSongPony
@HeartSongPony 8 лет назад
+CloudCuckooCountry . I know that feeling XD
@TomTom-it2si
@TomTom-it2si 6 лет назад
someone great by LCD soundsystem deals with similar themes in a similar way!
@archonofplagues1329
@archonofplagues1329 5 лет назад
What are your thoughts on Deathbird Stories by Harlan Ellison if you have read it?
@sheamcc2
@sheamcc2 8 лет назад
any chance of your top 10 recommended generad books
@Sarkhamy
@Sarkhamy 7 лет назад
Can you do a review of Kafka on the Shore?
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 7 лет назад
I didn't enjoy Kafka on the Shore, so I don't feel compelled to write about it.
@leopardeye1654
@leopardeye1654 8 лет назад
If you ask me it doesn't matter (much) If a story is conventional or unconventional. As long as it s wel written it must be enjoyable for someone to read.
@dethkon2284
@dethkon2284 8 лет назад
What is your opinion on terry pratchets work? i would love to here your opinion, and artistic expression on his artistic expression and lack of convention an rigmarole.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
I love the high-concept ideas that Terry Pratchett came up with, but his writing style always left something to be desired. He never quite reached the levels of comedic rhythm of Douglas Adams for my money.
@dethkon2284
@dethkon2284 8 лет назад
Well... maybe. As far as i understand terry was going for a theatre-esce style, aiming for story craft rather than, comedic enjoyment, yes his humour is dry, but see it more as an observation on life, and it becomes more engaging. (that's my 2 pence) Also wasn't all the stories marketed to work with both adults and children, so there needs to be an attempt to appeal to both, consider that he was attempting a new style, in a few books. Keep saying novella, after twice it looses its effect, and becomes cumbersome, it is a simple pronoun that can be used, (i criticizing you, i feel weird as i look up to you), achieve a balance consider the subject matter and the amount of nouns being used. using implied pronouns allows you to make a piece to become more widespread while still remaining of a higher literacy standard. (a 19 mechanic who never went through uni)
@adammcclelland5746
@adammcclelland5746 Год назад
I haven't played Undertale in years.
@Mantochist
@Mantochist 7 лет назад
Appreciated the revisit to the point you brought up in the Ender's Game video; helped clarify a few of my own thoughts on the visual driven literature style of many modern novels. In particular I remember one of the Dark Tower books seemed to begin a scene by introducing the characters, then took a page or two to describe the area they were in. I felt obligated to carefully remember the details so that I could imagine what it would be like even though it didn't feel natural or engaging. Eventually I started skimming these parts, regardless of the feeling that I was failing as a reader to fully appreciate all the details that the author had ~surely~ included for a carefully considered reason. So yeah, thanks for providing a voice that soothes my lazy reader's guilt.
@mrnarason
@mrnarason 8 лет назад
There is no link to the review.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 8 лет назад
Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out.
@TOAOM123
@TOAOM123 6 лет назад
Finnegan's wake was written as a joke.
@zag5434
@zag5434 7 лет назад
Who drew the title card for this video?
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 7 лет назад
boy genius man guy Dragonfoxgirl draws most of the art made for this channel that isn't drawn by me.
@zag5434
@zag5434 7 лет назад
CloudCuckooCountry Im surprised you responded so quickly. Normally when i ask a question to a youriber woth over 1,000 subs i have to wait, or never get a response.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 7 лет назад
I try my best to engage with my audience.
@AFastidiousCuber
@AFastidiousCuber 7 лет назад
Please stop using white text on a white background, otherwise, very good video, I like your insight, you are wise for your age.
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 7 лет назад
AFastidiousCuber It's actually a light-yellow background, but it seems to appear as white on some monitors and as such we've received a few complaints like this. We have darkened the background colour in future videos to make it easier to look at.
@NuonCheaKhmer
@NuonCheaKhmer 6 лет назад
you said the word 'quite' three times in a span of 15 seconds. unsubscribed, disliked and flagged for explicit content
@CloudCuckooCountry
@CloudCuckooCountry 6 лет назад
I try to hold myself up to my own standards, but I falter sometimes.
@rettetdenwald
@rettetdenwald 8 лет назад
I don't like crow. I need things to make sense.
@thewayfarer8849
@thewayfarer8849 8 лет назад
Bang on with the "truth" point, as someone studying literature at university you get that ridiculous idea rammed down your throat ad nauseum. You must find the "truth" of the text, every author is "authoritative" and pushing a message...it's nonsense
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