Yeah like imagine just like sitting in the library studying for your next exam when you here someone just planning world domination and your like ............what’s going on............am I in a class with a real life super villain?
Destiny Leah There’s a meme/recurring joke in SCB videos based on the fact that Voldemort’s ideas never go to plan-and the fact that he hides his horcruxes in very obvious places/picks obvious objects for them-that Voldemort would make the worst wedding planner.
possibly, but there is also just the explanation that he would have known someone would end up on the elder wand trail. just like how dumbledore knew voldemort would come after the wand
Nancy Applesmith So when “Graves” told Credence a seer had seen a vision of a powerful child they needed, it was his vision, he who was in fact Grindelwald? 😅 Man. I didn’t feel *super* confused, just somewhat unsure, and then I said... whatever that just was. 🤣 I mean the pinpointing people who will be effective in helping him, knowing who to apply pressure to, very useful. If you see a certain guard will never help you, you don’t work on turning him, but someone else. Also explains how he interacted with Queenie. I’d have liked more about how he convinced her, the mind reader, of his intentions though! Is he the greatest Occlumens ever? Maybe he could hide his true intentions behind a curtain, or under a false bottom of intent, like Snape could. She could see planted thoughts of empathy and sorrow and a longing to unite the wizarding world. But I’d like some indication of that, maybe even something as subtle as him just relaxing once she’s out of mind-reach. Or warning his right hand woman to put her guard up before Queenie came around or something. To not mention something to a character who isn’t good at Occlumens, so he wouldn’t betray the true intent. *Something* to let us know that plot point isn’t just dropped. Her ability was a major deal in the first movie and barely used in this one. I’d buy her switch if I had an indication of Grindelwald duping her. If she knew what he really thought of Muggles, she’d not have made the choices she did. But it was so poorly done that it’s rattling the suspension of my disbelief.
Amara Jordan I honestly don’t see why that would be necessary at all. It was used and explained in Harry Potter quite well with Snape and shouldn’t have to be revisited for Grindelwald as a recycled plot point. Queenie is clearly not as strong as he is, nor would he want a mind reader if he couldn’t block his own thoughts from one. We should know his and DD’s powers are far beyond what we’d seen or read in the HP series and be able to come to that conclusion on our own.
Ok, ok, just bear with me with this mind-boggling idea: maybe, MAYBE, he could've engraved the skull after the year 1898. You know, since there's no rule saying it's impossible to engrave previous years... So maybe he engraved it to remember that his expulsion from school was for the better. Maybe it's the student he had tortured, and than he later came back to finish the job and get himself a nice little souvenir.
I think he could've had the skull for a while And decided to engrave it after the fact. I can go get a tattoo right now that says "for the greater good 1994" and have gotten it in 2020. A lot of times people will have things they carry and add to it later for preserving a memory or to mark it for a specific time/event that occured before. I think it's a skull he already had, and engraved it after 1898 OR it's a skull he got later and he felt it tied back to an event or time in 1898 so he wanted to mark it as such
I was going to say the exact same thing. Their theory is cool, but predicated on a necessity of only riding the year in that year which is completely unnecessary.
Or, I don't know, maybe he carved the phrase and date AFTER he had met Dumbledore? He doesn't HAVE to have carved it in 1898, he could just have carved it later and written the date to remember something important that happened at that time. Just my thoughts
@@hildanmaruf Surely the logical conclusion is that it's the skull of someone that died in 1898? That would likely be the year Grindlewald got expelled, maybe he didn't just torture someone, and kept the skull of the first to die for his cause?
Those late night study sessions for my first anatomy partial exam with just a skull for company gave me some weird dreams which still haunt me to this day.
I got weirdly attached to my skull. I named him, talked to him, made up a backstory and almost cried when I had to give him back after finishing up on my anatomy lessons. I even got a small model skeleton and I now pretend that he is our child. I look at him and tell him "You look so much like your father. Except for your eyes. You don't have any eyes, you're a skeleton."
And what would be cooler is that it is the skull of the student being tortured by Grindelwald to expel himself. The first one to die for the ‘ GREATER GOOD’
If you notice them alot are self fulfilling. Bevause the person they are about heard them. They become true. Neville gets nervous after her prediction he will drop a cup. Voldemort kills Harry's patents and goes after him cause Snape told him the prophecy. Though that doesn't seem to hold true for wormtail's escape and return to Voldie.
Timothy Hammer her theory about there being 13 at the table and the first to rise, dies is true as well. Peter Petigrew is in Ron’s pocket and there are already 13 at the table. Dumbledore rose to great Trelawny and he is the first to die at the table.
Adam Lárus Sigurðarson except he was murdered? And it didn’t say anything specifically about dumbledore. It’s just a prophecy. There’s also an instance of the same prophecy happening at grimewald place
So... The skull wouldn't be the student he tortured? As in he got caught in 1898 and failed at school with this mark against him 'for the greater good' That's where it looked like this theory was going with this.
what if thats how he tortured the student.. used magic to carve 'For the Greater Good' in German on the skull. it would be pure horrific torture and hidden from view. student later dies of his injuries and Grindlewald in his panic after the duel that killed Arianna he retrieves the skull from a fresh grave.
Arachné Sakura Like @webinatic said, sociopaths like Grindelwald don’t usually have a place for panic. Everything is cold and calculated and usually when something doesn’t turn out the way they plan, they get angry rather than panic.
Its not "fjur das groubwer waul" its "Für das grössere Wohl" Also, what makes you think 1898 was the year he wrote that? Maybe it was an important year for another reason?
@@nutmeggaming11261 yeah and exactly 16 years b4 ww1 and exactly 41 years b4 ww2 and exactly 82 years b4 harry's born and exactly 93 years b4 harry entering hogwarts ://////////////////////////
“Not another war” is by far my favorite line in the movie. I was all confused by the baby switch on the Titanic, but that one line had me fully bought in again
Here’s a theory: Grindelwald got expelled digging up a grave of some legendary wizard to get that skull. Maybe that wizard was a seer who could show others what he saw, and legend said that power was basically in his DNA, or what was left in him - his bones. Grindelwald, being a young seer himself, became obsessed and was able to find it and dig it up. Maybe he used/manipulated another student to help him get past some magical protection (akin to Voldemort’s cave), thus the official cover story that Grindelwald was expelled for hurting another student was created.
This is just kinda.... sad. I'd always pictured Grindy thinking of Dumbledore as a potential ally and then losing that image over time. This shows Grindy manipulating Dumbledore from the start, which if we accept Rowling's more recent "additions" has some reallllllllllly nasty implications
I don’t know. Grindelwald was terrified of Dumbledore. He knew that Dumbledore was more powerful than he was and could defeat him. He counted on emotional manipulation to keep Dumbledore away, not to bring him close.
@@SarastistheSerpent Exactly, he manipulated Dumbledore- who keep in mind both loved Grindy and according to Rowling got quite physical with him- from the start. It's some "pickup artist" level grossness. This theory changes it from an ordinary falling out or scheming, to planning to emotionally and physically manipulate Dumbledore before ever even having met him. That is, if you accept additions that Rowling threw in with minimal/no evidence in the text & films
Old Blanco Rd Productions ah I see what you mean. In their youths. Yes you could be right. Dumbledore would’ve been a useful tool for Grindelwald had Dumbledore been in his pocket. It’s risky though. Dumbledore was a more powerful and skilled wizard and would always pose a threat to Grindelwald, even if they were on the same side. All that went out the window after Ariana’s death though.
@@SarastistheSerpent I think we're talking about two different things- I'm not talking about the struggle for power/magical war bit. I'm talking about the domestic abus3 bit. Forming a relationship, that in Rowling's words was intense and physical, and gaslighting Dumbledore in an effort to emotionally manipulate and break him has some really awful implications. This wasn't moving apart- based on this theory he planned it from the start to "disarm" Dumbledore through essentially domestic abus3, or at the very least made this his plan on realising Dumbledore might be susceptible to it. No one's arguing Grindy was ever benevolent, but this theory in the light of Rowling's recent statements on the relationship places this as an especially emotionally powerful and gross crime
Wait, we *now* know? As in, it wasn’t obvious before? I know most Americans are oblivious about other cultures and specifically the pronunciation of names in other languages but I didn’t think we were that bad that people didn’t know that most European languages pronounce a W in that part of a name as a V.
That would really mess a kid up. Imagine having someone magically remove your skull (presumably without killing you) and then showing it to you. Sure, you could grow it back (assuming Skele-Gro already existed at that time and you got immediate care), but that's still going to cause some deep emotional scars.
• AwkwardAlien • I have the feeling that a Dumbledore planned wedding would be awesome at first, and then drama would happen, like one of the llama’s would pop out of the catering tent being chased by a waiter and a bevy of small dogs, and the swans would be startled and upend the ice bowls in the aisle and the ushers would all fall into the seated people causing domino chains that fall over meanwhile the pipe of a guest would set off the fireworks prematurely and so the bagpipers would head in, trying to walk down the side aisles but tripping over the sprawled guests and upended chairs, the groom would be in a crouch trying to avoid the ear damage a complement of distressed bagpipers and angered swans can cause while Dumbledore calmly lays down cloaks and coats from the coat check over the icy aisle so the bride,who has already kicked off her shoes and is busy hiking up her skirts, can get to her assailed husband to be to fend off the animals with mighty swings of her bouquet. And SOMEHOW, everyone will go home with pockets full of lemon drops, having had a grand old time and he will be awarded the best wedding planner award.
I feel like a Dumbledore planned wedding would involve none of the guests, nor the bride or groom, even knowing its happening until they're already at the Altar. They would figure out that they're made for each other only as the groom is told to kiss the bride.
@Gaius Wyrden true, however I was pointing it out for his pronunciation. He pronounced it as a “b” probably because it’s the closest looking English letter. By pointing out it’s a double “s” I was letting him know it should be pronounced as such. I guess I could’ve been a little more specific though.
Jk Rowling just came out with a statement that the skull is getting its own movie series that she had planned since she wrote the first Harry Potter book
Drace90 i mean she may not be lying but I have had some trouble with her comments recently. Ever since she considered the cursed child canon and broke her own canon with the Minerva cameo I’ve been sketched out by all the excess info lol
I think a simpler explanation would be that 1898 stands for the year when this person died for the greater good and not for the year when the inscription was made.
Makes a ton of sense to me. It also might be an explanation for the Body Swap - maybe Grindelwald knows that he'll need Abernathy at some point in the future and thus rescuing him was of importance ;)
What if the skull was already Dumbledore's and he gave it to Grindelwald as a gift? A powerful magical object given to the one person Dumbledore cared for most...
J... when you get your mind-projection skull, you can carve a nifty saying on it and a date at any time AFTER the original owner is done with that skull. Just a thought.
I think that the skull is actually trelawnys great grandmas, it would fit the time and also the power of skull, also it would connect Dumbledore to know about trelawny later on....
It is just amazing how you turn things that no one cares or even think about to something so interesting and mind blowing that I want to tell everyone about it! Really, you are one of best channels on YT, I watch your every video and I hope you will record to the end of time.
Hey, if I understood correctly, the whole theory bases on the fact, that he must have written the inscription in 1898. But... couldn't he write "1898" in 1899? Let alone what for, but he could, couldn't he?
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the speculations, but I think he could have easily etched that into the skull in, like, 1910 or whatever, and just commemorate the year when his planning began + his motto
I dont think Grindelwald cared about Dumbledore at all... a person like that sees others simply as tools to achieve a desired outcome. Throughout it never mentions Grindelwald "loving" or even having stirrings for Dumbledore, but Dumbledore is the one that says they were more than brothers. Classic one sided relationship, and at the beginning of the film they say Grindelwald is "very persuasive so they cut out his tongue". Dumbledore was seduced by Grindelwald's views and ambition but all he was to Grindelwald was a sharp tool... he's so much better than Voldemort. 🤤
Olanda sheep Even when JK does something because it’s convenient or looks/sounds cool, she always has an explanation for where the thing came from and why it looks cool.
@@armadillolover99 true but, in my stories I don't think I have to give an explanation as to why a tree is shaped the way it is or why a ghost appears to be blue or purple or stuff like that.
Olanda sheep You don’t have to but it would make the story more interesting and more importantly, create more lore for the universe which in turn gives more identity to your stories
Go back and read the books and focus on what Trelawny says specifically. She is actually never wrong. Yes that includes getting Harry's "midwinter" birthday "wrong". Harry houses part of Voldemort's soul...and he WAS born in midwinter. In HBP she pulls the lightning struck tower and also the Knave of Spades...who we end up knowing is Draco, "Knave of spades: a dark young man, possibly troubled, one who dislikes the questioner" She gets the " 13 first to rise first to die", correct at the table...Lavender's rabbit death, Hermione leaving, Neville and his broken cup...her babble is always right if you pay attention...it isn't just the big prophesies.
Yes, few people notice that almost all her predictions are right, but I think only when she isn't trying to impress. Like McGonnagall says, every first class she predicts someone is going to die... and nobody ever dies while in Hogwarts...
Video: Let’s talk about the skull used. *mentions one small theory which doesn’t work then talks the entire time about Grindelwald and Dumbledore being besties*
Omnioculars don't rewind real life as you watch, they replay what you've watch.. If they rewound real life as you watch it would be very annoying for other spectators.
Before his greatest future sight, Grinder was obsessed with ruling everything. He was unbeatable, yet he lost? His initials are GG because he saw the whole story in a vision. A great seer, GG knew it all started with losing the master wand to dumbo for the true greater good. GG humbled dumbo, and this caused the latter to teach at Hogwarts. Finally, GG awaits his meeting with the dark lord, to direct Tom to the elder wand, the instrument of voldys demise.
Who here has just been watching supercarlinbrothers for an hour then this shows up and comes here! Edit: Also, I'm here first! Another edit: who's skull is it?
You missed the next logical step of your hypothesis... the skull is therefore the skull of the student Grindelwald killed (with excessive force!) at Durmstrang, thus leading to his expulsion... But you also didn't mention that the skull could have been inscribed retrospectively
I believe in this. Since he had seen the future, he knew that he needed to do this (killing) and therefore inscribed the year on the skull of his first victim who had to give his/hers life for "The greater good".
I think maybe the crowd just rolling with the magic skull cloud prediction is just the nature of the world they're in. Like, I'm, in our world, rarely surprised by much. I can imagine in the wizard world, with magical trinkets everywhere, how even less surprised by anything I'd be. "Oh, that magic vape skull is showing me the future... obviously." I think it just goes along with things like "this entire animal shelter is in a suitcase" and "I just went up the sentient stairs, now I'm going to talk to this painting."
J, I find your mention of Voldermort as a Wedding Planner so hilariously bizarre that it makes me shake with laughter everytime :) :) and Sybyll Trelawney ? 9% Sherry Enthusiast?...ha ha haaaaaaaaa!!!!
