Shelise you’re awesome! Thank you for getting this information out. Other order survivors may see this, and I’ll definitely support them as a witness for the abuse allowed in their cult.
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Val & Shelise, you are such beautiful souls. Thank you for your bravery. Sending love to you & all the cult survivors out there. And a big a F YOU to Daniel and all the men like him!
Val you are truly amazing You are so strong to come away from such horrible abuse and still have love in your heart! I wish I could hug you! You are beautiful!!
There should be NO statute of limitations on child abuse. I am soooo sorry you had to deal with that evil person!!! I pray you will find healing and hope. God bless you and keep you.
He was only a baby helping to raise more babies, I’m absolutely devastated that this beautiful young man had to live any of what he did. He so deserves so much more. Good luck and may his future be filled with nothing but Luck, Laughter and Love 💕🇦🇺
the fact that these people were brave enough to escape and find a place in the world for themselves is so inspiring......I am so happy for each and every survivor who found their way in the world ❤🩹
Oh my gods, the way Val switched to speaking in the present tense when talking about that one incident just broke my heart. It almost seemed like he's still stuck in that moment. Good luck on your continued healing journey, Val, and congrats to you and your husband on your marriage. The cake looks amazing! PS I will totally buy some unicorn soap and sparkly candles holy shit cant wait for those boxes to drop!
Thank you, Shelise! The work you do is so important. Val’s story is so powerful. What a beautiful mind, so much strength and intelligence. So so empowering to see how every story told is helping heal the collective. Val, the way you express yourself and the perspective you have, shows profound strength and mind-blowing goodness!! Blessings on your journey. Blessings on your family. May your journey through life be full of joy and healing.
Oh my god. When he started taking about his dad sexually abusing him I literally started crying. I have such a good relationship with my dad, I can’t imagine him ever doing anything like that to anyone. The way this poor kid much have so many issues makes me wanna go find the entire JDK clan.
I cannot understand how any parent could harm their child in anyway, more or less in such a disgusting way as this. I also do not understand how this “father” kicked him out for being gay while also being this child’s first gay experience. My heart breaks for him and the same time, I am so proud of him for facing his adversity head on! Val is a hero
Amazing story, thanks. It's so interesting (horrible) how he was forced to become an adult/parent/manager at such a young age, but simultaneously infantilized by restriction to information and outside ideas and norms. What a mindfuck. Along with the financial abuse it creates perfect victims who are alienated and trapped. But he escaped! Just amazing.
They shopped for armies at st George Costco. Saw this with my own eyes. One middle age man... rather paunchy. One older woman . ( first wife?). Three younger ones. . all pushing carts except him. Youngest girl....had two walking kids...a double stroller with two babies riding. Carrying another baby and she was pregnant.. poor thing!!! So young too.other kids of all ages with group. Maybe a total of 15 in group.. girls all had blonde and red hair in long beautiful braids.. long puritan dresses and combat boots. My eyes were glued
There are so many important points mentioned in this video, but was especially hit me was the statement about grooming. Thank you for getting voices heard and validated. Abuse in the name of religion is still abuse.
I smile when talking about the abuse I experienced. When my councilor pointed out the mismatched emotion I felt like something was wrong with me. I guess trauma causes awkward responses.
I identify with this so much. It’s incredible how much these groups give children adult responsibility’s but no choice or freedom. And how purity culture sets these people up as perfect victims for others to exploit. Such a powerful story and so much courage. Care just oozes out of him and how he talks about his mum and cooking for the kids it sounds like he spent more of his time working out how best to serve them like a husband and father should. Hoping for lots of happiness in his future
Love this episode! Val is such a wonderful person, super positive, super bright. I think it's a first episode from this channel that I had smile on my face all the time. Thank you, Val. Laughing to the problem's face and choosing to keep only positive things from life is my moto.
This is so cute !!!! Val, thank you for sharing and giving yourself the life you deserve. I'm so happy you've found happiness and been able to maintain and foster relationships with people who love you just as you are. And you go !!! Excited to hear about the "Treat Yourself" gift box !!!
I get so horrified about this things I heard about those LDS branches... Im so sorry for you and I see how amazing guy you are Val! You did your best and helped to raise your siblings. I'm happy to know that people can get out of this he||.
You seem to be a beautiful person🥰 I really hate the control used, the brainwashing, in the cults and most religions. I bailed on my Catholic upbringing, as a young teen. As it turns out, I didn’t need it to be kind, to have compassion for others! You will bring healing for others, knowing how they feel, what they’ve been through.
Thank you for giving Val a platform! And Val, you made me laugh so many times! I hope you know it's ok to deal with these dark and difficult issues in whatever way works for you. Your presentation is funny, but the seriousness of it comes through, too. Congrats on your marriage, your new channel, and on a life of making your own decisions. I'd adopt you in a minute if you didn't already have an awesome mom!
This interview is one of the most enjoyable I have seen. This young man has been to hell and back again. He has risen above it. What a great guest, he opens up and finds the humor in some terriable things. I feel he is a strong young man , honest and wise. A man that so many should strive to be like. I also enjoyed the fact the interviewer was letting him tell his story as well as she was very aware of things that might be to personal to relate if he did not want to.
He is so cute and strong and funny. It's so hard to imagine the things he had to go thru. I feel so bad for him and other people who go thru things like this.
I was very excited to see some more LGBTQ+ content! Val, your passion is so inspiring and I’m glad to see you are able to living your authentic life now. Keep on, unicorns! 🦄 🖤
I hope that you love yourself and value yourself. No matter what you said or did in the past or any regrets that you feel now or in the future. You have inate value and worth. I love that we all get to decide how we identify. Who we are... what we are... what matters to us individually. Loving yourself is the fuel that can help enforce boundaries. Keep those assholes at a distance... you know what I mean? I have had a really hard time loving myself so I decided to imagine that there is a separate person in my brain. A child... and that child is who I was when I was little. She's still there and I need to be kind to myself because what I say about myself will directly affect her. The sweet innocent loving child that only ever wanted good things for everyone. If I'm being mean to myself, then I'm being mean to her as well. I needed to do this because after all the trauma and abuse, I thought I was a bad person in my core and I deserved everything that happened. Every time I made a mistake or hurt someone else's feelings, that was more proof of how awful I was.
The first video of yours I found was Amanda’s, I then subscribed to you and her and fell down an Amanda Rae rabbithole and then an Escaping Polygamy rabbithole. Got so excited seeing Val in the thumb nail!! Val you’re a legend and everything your sperm donor is not. Shelise, thank you for bringing Val on- I was hoping you’d have some more stories from The Order as it’s so utterly horrifying what they do and more people need to be aware. Val your story is so important, not just for other queer people in The Order to know there’s a way out but for queer people in these groups and bad situations. Sending my love!💜
Oh and also: I’m not from a cult, I experienced CSA from my biological father and I will never EVER call him dad either. He doesn’t deserve that label. My stepdad who raised me and made me feel safe again is my dad. I’m really sorry you didn’t get a second chance at a father figure like I did.
Thank you for sharing that, Nicole! Welcome to C2C and thanks for sticking around! I’m sorry to hear that happened to you (add me to that list). You’ll be happy to hear that Eskel is next!
When this cult is based around a family and no outsiders are allowed in.. still, with so many wifes.. I assume on some level they do at least allowed women to join? otherwise - and please correct me if I understood it worng - they already married sisters/cousins which are the generation of Vals parents!? wonder how many left.. is there an outsiders-group? really hope they stay in touch when they get out to find support in each other while they get to used to the world.. both Val and Amanda are wonderful people and seemed much at peace with themself.
Just a simple question with probably a complicated answer. The so-called Davies County Cooperative Society, is what ?? Is it the nickname for The Order, or just another name for their "bank" ?? If it is something else, still please explain. It helps to better understand what you are saying.
I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but Mormon religion has nothing to do with modern day polygamy. Mormons or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has nothing to do with the Fundametalism mormon church. Its 2 totally different things.
Val is my age and its so strange to watch...i cant imagine going through that and maintaining that youthful energy. Its amazing to see im just sorry that you had to go through it.
This is a great episode! I just love this guy! Would he be willing to come back on and talk more about the adjustments? More times that he's asked himself, is this normal?!
Even if the Statute of Limitations expired for Val’s abuse, Daniel likely continued to abuse children to this fat. The authorities should investigate & press charges!
No need for him to explain why he smiles. I work with people who have experienced significant traumas, and when I see that smile, I instantly want to comfort them. It helps hold the trauma in and is yet another display of strength. Huge respect to all who've shared their stories on this channel.
I absolutely love this kid. Like smiling through the darkness lets the devil see your teeth. Thats a strong person and absolutely a force to be reckoned with. I wish him a long life full of health and happiness
I forgot to mention, one important conversation I had with the leader Paul. He acknowledged the abuse was wrong, but insisted members don’t take other members to authorities, and promised me he would take care of it.
Did you ever hear if Paul "took care" of Daniel? What a great interview! The part where you were telling your date's granny about the cult had me lol. 🦄🩵
Val is right. Daniel is not a father, just a DNA donor. Real parents grow and learn WITH their kids. Our children should help us to be more compassionate, kind and loving. Val was more of a parent to his siblings than Daniel could ever hope to be.
I think it's very brave just to call things by their name. To tell people how it was. Not because of sensationalism but because so many people just don't get the picture of what abuse like that entails. There are so many levels to this and in order to drive home the severity sometimes you have to get graphic. I hope you're able to find a healthy balance in life after these horrific experiences.
I can see why you don't want to refer to his as your dad. He was your biological father, but he certainly wasn't a dad. I'm so sorry for all you went through. Please remember it was NOT your fault! It was never your fault. You are not to blame for anything that happened to you! You were a victim of evil circumstances. Please take care of yourself. ❤
Wow, it's Amanda Rae's cousin! He has some absolutely wild stories, how the members of his family who have committed terrible abuses aren't (permanently) in jail is beyond me.
It’s because heretical religious organizations like the LDS, Jehovah’s witnesses, Catholic, even some IFB and southern grace chapel organizations, all “own” entire communities and counties etc. it’s disgusting. Religion is awful. All we need is the Bible, preferably the KJV, since it is accurately translated from the original, historically authenticated manuscripts.
Well there too little places for them and its the usa a verry extreem country as it come too abuse and incest things could be half off the population of the usa
Is it though? The Christians tend to get carte blanche to do anything in the US and hide behind religious persecution to protect themselves. It's very easy for them to perpetrate crimes for a long time before getting caught. Generations of children undergo pretty horrific mental and physical abuse in these theocratic systems. It's a common story in their communities.
I'm wondering if any of these siblings have ever or would ever file a police report against Daniel, he obviously abused all his children in various ways, he had already gone to prison for beating one daughtr severely. He needs to be in jail!
I agree! If it was up to me, Daniel would be in Prison for life. He should just go turn himself in. He'll have his whole afterlife, to go be a God of his own planet😂 Please Don't Baptize a dead me, I've been looking forward to outer darkness. it sounds so relaxing❤❤❤
@@Valiant.UnicornDaniel should be under the jail! I’m so sorry you had to grow up that way. 🥰🤗 I’m interested in your soap & candle boxes! Please let us know when you start selling them! Sending you love from Virginia! ❤️
@@Valiant.Unicornfrom what I recall of the doctrine, I think you have to accept the baptism for it to work, so you have the opportunity but aren't forced. But that could just have been what I was taught in my fairly chill and progressive ward in NW Oregon. What an amazing interview! You're so strong and I'm glad you're thriving in the outside 🥰
Forgive me if this was mentioned somewhere but she would make an awesome trauma counselor the way she explains things is so reassuring this podcast is truly therapy for so many people ❤
Heck, I think she’s already essentially doing that for herself, her guests, and all of us! But I know what you mean, I do wonder though if there’s a sect of counselors or psychologists that specialize in religious trauma. There’s obviously quite a demographic who could use that-a.k.a. _allllllll of us._
That is so kind of you. Thank you so much. I do my best to make this space as safe and comfortable as possible for my guests. As another cult/abuse survivor, I know what it’s like to tell my story. Thank you for watching and supporting!
@CultstoConsciousness you do an amazing job. You're simultaneously creating awareness and holding space for people to share their stories and relate to other survivors. It's so important 💜🫶
Val, Amanda, Eskel, Shanelle, Kollene, and all the other Order survivors impress me so much - they have been so much in their lives, but have so much strength and humor. I love seeing how Val is thriving!
Statutes of limitations favor the perpetrators but some times victims wait until after the statute runs out due to fear of reprisal. Safety is #1 when trying to survive. You speak on your own timeline. Thank you for sharing today. 💙
What a sweet lovely human being Val is! I'm so glad he was able to escape and build a good life for himself. Lots of love and healing to him and all victims of abuse and control.
Why can’t all of the escapees of the order get together and do a civil suit for child abuse, violation of child, labor, laws, sexual abuse, etc against the order? Something needs to be done!
The order murderes victims slowly and stalks them, ppl barely escape with their lives. You can't sue them because you don't know any legal names or addresses.
I learned about the Kingston Clan from Escaping Polygamy!!! I loved that show. This group makes me sick and Daniel sounds like a degraded psychopath and needs to be in jail forever. All the head guys actually. Gross. Val seems like a sweet guy, bless him for speaking out! 💜
Daniel sounds like he played a shell game with his sexuality. No normal sexual intimacy with his women, all about breeding and control. His sexual activity towards males was with boys whom he could control completely. So he kept his bisexuality or homosexuality closeted.
That's the problem, they hide under banner and the government is afraid to do anything even though they are breaking the law. The law must apply to all. Women and children are chattel.
I was pulled out of school to take care of my 3 siblings at 14. We weren't in a cult or even poor. My parents were going through a divorce, and I was handy. I adored my siblings but said a few things to them that I regret to this day. I was too young to be a stay at home mom.
@paisleygirl6642 never really covered with the parents, but the sisters and I have an understanding about it. And we're all still here. I made it to college. Lol
When my father abused me as a child it felt like it wasn’t him. Like he’d get in this mood and not want to do things but has to do things. He did apologize when I was an adult and we didn’t talk about it but I know his mother was EA and probably PA and neglect. But over 90% of offenders report having experienced SA as children.
And the abusers and rulers keep saying they do these things to women and children in the name of God. Think they're going to earn their own kingdom. I can't think of a higher abomination than what they do to children. God bless the children, let's free them with love and laws. Their kingdom has failed. Thank God for those who can speak out. We all have a lot of praying and healing to do. If someone reads these comments and thinks they have been forgotten, that will never happen. Americans care and love you all and I'm so sorry. Life is not what this is about. You are your own child of God, same as everyone else. Intelligent, beautiful, loving and free.
Hell yes I saw Val’s face and got excited because Val holds nothing back. The Order scares me more than the others specifically because the aaa clowns at the top know how to play the government.
My ex husband was not a mormon but he had mormon beliefs. He believed any money I had or earned belonged to him and the same went for our daughter. I didn't give it to him or go along with this idea. A lot of fights, day in and day out. So glad to get us away from him.
I actually found you through Amanda Rea! The Order stories never stop being shocking, and heartbreaking. I can not comprehend how they are still functioning.
