Thaaaank you. My biggest gripe is how dumb it is that you want to erase the other movies but still act like all that 40 years of history is still there!
I much prefer H20 as a "where is she now" sequel. I liked how Laurie was still traumatised but functional and not a barking lunatic like in the 2018 timeline. Her "I've had enough of this shit" moment in H20 was really well done IMO.
As one who loves H20 as the best sequel, Halloween 2018 still did good and Laurie was NOT "a barking lunatic" there. Hell, she is vindicated in her approach as the film goes on.
@@mercenaryknight5419 It's not just that she was vindicated later in the film which resonates with me... I think people are being obtuse when they say that "only" one movie and five dead bodies isn't enough to cause her to be like this, because I *don't* think that it's "just" her friends being murdered: she witnessed the supernatural and had it confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt that there are magical/inhuman/demonic/whatever beings in existence. Hell, there are people who convert to a religion based on surviving a car accident or losing a child or something. I'd buy a fucking arsenal if I even *saw* something that walked off six close-range gunshot wounds.
naahhhh nah nah nah, there's a difference between Michael letting someone live and not killing them. He still fights Busta Rhymes at the end but gets electrocuted and burnt which in turn leaves Busta Rhymes alive. Michael literally floated around those windows staring at LL Cool J and went... ahhhh... I'll just stick to lourie. And LL Cool J only gets injured when Louries salt and pepper boyfriend shoots at him, thinking its Michael. Michael Loves Cool James.
@@cordzfx nahhhhhhhhhhhh he only reluctantly fights Busta cuz Busta comes at him to kung fu his ass. maybe it BROKE michaels heart when he had to defend himself against Busta Rhymes. He never wanted to fight Busta Rhymes, that’s why he just walks away when Busta tells him to go away, but he is forced to when Busta leaves him no choice. It’s actually a tragic character arc edit; he loves Cool Jimmy, and he respects Busta Rhymes.
Weeeeeeeeeeellllll maybe that's why he springs back to life at the end of the movie... because he was..................."shocked".... that Busta Rhymes lived. But now we don't get to see that arc complete... unless Halloween Ends is all about "lourie isn't the target... Busta Rymes is".
@@cordzfx that’s it. that’s gotta be the legacy Jaime Lee was talking about in Halloween Ends. Michaels heart was shattered when Busta left him in the burning house, and not even a Cold Jimmy can mend it this time.
And LL Cool J can coach Michael into getting back on track... maybe cook him some food that isn't mental asylum issued, maybe teach him how to dance and to dress better... and then he will be ready to go after Busta Rymes. Halloween Twenty 8 mile
To be fair, most people forget that in the original film Michael killed the tow truck driver to get his coveralls to wear. He also most likely killed several staff members/security at the clinic when he broke out so his kill count is more than three. Also Michael didn't kill the old couple at the beginning of part 2 so he spared more lives than just LL cool j's
I hated how they just glossed past Laurie finding out that Michael doesn't have some kind of personal grudge against her, assuming he even realizes who she is, or cares to. It feels like that should have been shattering news to her, but it just goes by without being commented on.
It’s also ridiculous how Allyson has that information the entire time and refuses to tell her mother despite Karen screaming about MM coming for Laurie in the hospital and at some point telling Allyson to her face that he’s coming there for her - Allyson says nothing.
Now that Laurie and Michael are not supposed to be brother and sister anymore it does not feel like it makes any sense that she is so obsessed with him.
It’s not like he had an Instagram. Any pictures would be taken on old 1970’s camera equipment and reprinted in a newspaper. And he wouldn’t look anything similar because people tend to look different at 21 and 61.
@@xsteveconwayx but there was an updated pic of Michael shown on the news that easily could be googled. and anytime they show pics like that they always give the name.
Halloween: Nightdance, a four-issue comic miniseries, is still the best sequel never made into film, not dismissing any continuity but neither being beholden to any lore outside of Michael killing his sister Judith and then escaping years later. It’s such an incredible story that manages to be haunting and scary. It’s really great, and definitely a story I recommend any fan tracking down.
@@marsgrey8964 reading the wiki about it, that would make a fantastic short film, for sure. Nightdance could be a feature length film sequel. I’ll be honest I’ve not read that comic and all Halloween comics are nigh impossible to track down at a reasonable price. That’s a problem that needs to be rectified ASAP.
I used to think that the reason they left the capture of Michael in 1978 so ambiguous in Halloween 2018 was so that they could reveal in Kills through a flashback that after Loomis shot Michael 6 times and he escapes, he ends up murdering a lot more people before he gets captured by cops. By adding more to Michael’s body count during the events of 1978, it would’ve made more sense why the town is so afraid of him and why his actions still haunt them because let’s be honest, without the sequels, all Michael Myers did was murder 3 people during 1978 and then get imprisoned for 40 years. Adding more kills during the flashback would’ve made the town being afraid of him more believable.
But even with "only" six murders to his name when recaptured in 1978, a *lot* of people seem pretty convinced (or at least uncertain) of him being more than just a human being. He also returned once already from 1963 too, so showing up, killing a tow truck driver on his way back to Haddonfield, killing three random girls, getting stabbed and shot a ton before then overpowering and killing a cop in his home later that night is a pretty massive story... Even with Hawkins saying McCabe shot himself, Michael still killed him. And would be charged with that death too: you can't just strangle someone nearly to death and then, use them as a human shield and say "Well, I technically didn't kill him!" The fact that he did all of this after getting plugged at close range by Loomis is pretty remarkable and all of the cops - plus Laurie, Loomis, Tommy, Lonnie, Lindsey, etc. would know about it.
@@christianc.christian5025 I mean hearing he got shot 6 times then got up and disappeared only to kill some more the same night would also scare some people for a long ass time too. I really liked the flash backs to the new one and I quite enjoyed the film over all some of it was weird but I still see it as just a filler until the 3rd and I do understand that it doesn't work as a standalone film which is its biggest problem. I'm still okay with looking past it as long as the 3rd one pulls magic out of its ass
Instead, they had him go home and hang out, choke a cop, watch that cop get shot by another cop, walk away, surrender to the police, and the only reason why he wasn’t executed by the legendary Dr. Loomis was because Loomis’ arm got slapped away by the cop who felt remorse for this killer who was just choking his bleeding out partner…
I unironically prefer the OG sequels, the second one introduces a lot of dumb stuff, but Michael Myers still feels alright and it's done in a component way, the rest of the sequels are fun shlock although Donald Pleasence really carries it with his Dr. Loomis who gets more obsessed and crazier with each film.
Loomis even becomes more terrifying than Michael. He scares a teenager into getting hit by a car and blows up, bursts into restricted areas with a gun and the cops let him, then you get to 5 and he's just grilling the most traumatized mute little girl as if she's an adult. Then it cuts to curse and he's retired living in a fancy mansion... now I just refer to him as "Dr Cop"
The major advantage that the OG sequels have, imo, is that no one insisted to you that they were soooo much better than the OG sequels just to disappoint you. OK, maybe H20 did, but how often does anyone rewatch H20? But yeah, I will probably rewatch Halloween Resurrection before I watch Halloween Kills.
I’m sorry but this movie had me cracking up. Especially when Little John died. This dude had ten seconds to run and just stood there. 😂 All the Characters that died deserve it because they were stupid.
This movie made me laugh more than anything. I'm glad that I watched it at home so I could pause after ridiculousness ensued. They managed to pack in just about every horror movie cliche that you could imagine into a 100 minute runtime. This franchise has been going for multiple decades so everyone should have already knew how it was going to end.
@@cordzfx Yeah. I think they tried to mimic what they did in the previous film with the callbacks. Kinda crazy that it still broke 100 million at the box office and will probably do the same with the "final" film in the trilogy.
@@cordzfx you know, Michael Myers has been terrorizing Haddonfield for 40 years. All while locked up in an asylum for the entirety of said 40 years btw.
@@Mr_Porter seriously, the film should have been called Halloween: Callbacks or Halloween: Evil Dies Tonight! And yes the exclamation point should have been in the title.
I was kinda hoping the second escapee would have been just as dangerous as Michael. So, instead of worrying about one lunatic running around hurting people, there would have been another, doing God knows what to his victims.
Normally I’d be against having 2 antagonists in a Halloween movie, but this idea is actually really cool. They could expand on that as well, if they ever wanted to continue the story after Ends. Just don’t give it the Halloween title, so it doesn’t piss people off lol.
No, see, this would've taken attention to story in a way that went *beyond* preachy nonsense about "living in fear" and mob violence or whatever the fuck.
@@christianc.christian5025 that mob mentally plot was nonsense. It was so poorly done that another dangerous escapee would have done the movie some justice. The only entertaining part of this movie were the kills. . . To a degree. All the characters were soooo stupid that it became boring and repetitive. And that ending OMG!!! When I thought it couldn't get any worse.
@@MrUseless247 the mob rules plot was executed poorly, but conceptually it's still better storytelling than "whoa two wacky escaped mental patients are loose and both are killing people now, guess Michael has some competition this time around" if it wasn't for the people behind the project, the prospect of a mob vs. michael movie could be really good and original.
Yeah this really explains most of my frustrations with this movie. Worst part was as soon as it ended I knew there would be people that worshipped this movie as a love letter to the fans yet I'd have to keep hearing about how the Rob Zombie movies were abominations that ruined the franchise.
One thing people don’t seem to mention , where any fan that watched the original a million times and knows every little detail, is why am I the only one questioning how bully Lonnie Elam, goes from being a bully but had friends, where I’m guessing he was one of the”cool crowd” in 6th grade who he and his friend did what most kids our age do on Halloween which is Halloween pranks and daring things like wanting to check out the Myers house in the original? But his character may be wearing the same clothes but is a little bit on the nerdy side, where you can’t imagine this dweeb bullying tommy or anyone else. He’s also out trick r treating at the time of night, is just weird, as if he didn’t have enough fun already and got tired and went to bed. So he goes from popular kid to nerd in this new film, and with no explanation as to why? He even gets bullied by two girls and their brother. Only thing I can think of is because now they want to bring this unnecessary forgettable character back to show he grew up to become an awesome dad to his son who was the biggest douchebag of all in 2018, but is now this noble heroic guy, who may as well pledge his life to Alison, as he is more on a mission to kill Michael more than she is. But, I think they’re not stupid enough to have us believing he became courageous and good a couple hours later, after showing his brutal death scene where I’m sure fans only laughed when he seems him as he’s walking down the stairs and wants to make sure he’s definitely dead by twisting his neck . So any theories as to why the change character of Lonnie or even Whatever his name was?
Nick Daglis - The same "fans" who bitched and complained about super aggressive Michael Myers in RZ Halloween seem to love this super aggressive Michael Myers. Alll they do is bitch and complain and argue with anyone who doesn't share their opinion.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 LoL. You’re so right . And these fans are probably also the same , that agree with Carpentar over Laurie not being michaels sister anymore and now suppler it when Carpentar has been bitching about that decision he wrote in the sequels script. That’s all well and good only if, the last one ends with a more interesting alternative reason that can top a plot line twist which I did like, though I can admit, ok, I’d be down , only if the last one ends with that twist in the storyline, but then again, the original Halloween ended the way he always wanted it too, until he was offered a huge paycheck to script the sequel, where he said, ah what the hell, it’s all for the money now. And just hated it. But open to that storyline twist I’d it’s really good, but for all we know it could end off where “evil NEVER dies tonight”, when his finger or something gets snapped off but you see it moving in the final shot, to leave it open for yet another retcon reboot 5 years from now
I don't get why people think they have to expand on the character of Michael Myers, when he wasn't one in the first place. He's just the shape who kills, that's it. There's no motivation, and he doesn't need one.
That's the problem with trying to make a decades long movie franchise out of this character. Carpenter was stumped when he had to write the first sequel. How do you make a sequel to a movie about a guy who doesn't talk and kills people for no reason? So he got drunk and came up with the bother/sister thing.
I sometimes think about how the internet and online fanbases have low key kind of ruined franchises and reboots. Because fan backlash and social media can pretty much dictate what’s acceptable for a property, companies are absolutely terrified of taking any risks or playing with the established ideas in a given franchise. Say what you will about Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2 but going back and watching it was an absolute joy compared to Halloween Kills. While a lot of people didn’t think the film was faithful to the franchise at least it was doing its own thing. Instead we now have franchises like Star Wars and Halloween that are so scared of fan backlash or trying something that isn’t considered appropriate that the result is just sterile, self referential nothing. Really hope companies see the benefit of letting creators off the lead again.
I just think it’s funny that people expect high art from film franchises with more than 3 films in their series. Halloween especially has more duds than hits. In my mind, 6 was great, (haven’t seen since I was a kid), but oof. Watched recently. It’s baaaad.
Rob Zombie just turned Michael into yet another deranged hillbilly archtype he puts in every single one of his movies... it didnt do its own thing, he just copy pasted his own shit into an establish series. If you just changed the names and the title to have no relation to Halloween you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between it and every other RZ movie. Trying to defend the shit star wars movies as "the fans ruined it", instead of the studio ruined it and after two failures resorted to making a shitty memberberry third movie. just want to slap idiots like you upside the head every time you open your mouths.
Halloween 2 is trash in a different way. It has none of the spirit that the Halloween franchise has. He turned Michael into just another hulking killer with the most generic backstory imaginable, showing his face constantly and even having him talk. 0 characters in his version of Haddonfield are likeable or intelligent. Laurie is an annoying little bitch. Loomis is a selfish greedy asshole. He focuses all his energy on excessive gore and exploitation. The acting sucks and the plot sucks
Great review as always. The worst thing is that Halloween Ends won't be the end. They'll do a new anniversary trilogy Halloween Michael awekens Halloween The Last Loomis Halloween The Rise of Strode
I will fucking chuck money at those film makers if they make a movie where the rotting skeleton of Loomis burst out of the coffin with a gun and proceeds to hunt Michael. And its just a montage of him shooting the wrong people for 2 hours.
In my opinion, It's nothing more than a glorified fan film with a budget. Just for one example, the "Hey Michael, it's Halloween. Everyone's entitled to one good scare" line from Brackett when the mob is surrounding Michael towards the end is just horrendous and is something you'd see in a fan film. How about we give Charles Cyphers some realistic dialogue, maybe just one emotional plea to Tommy to hunt down the bastard that killed his daughter. Instead we get "EVIL DIES TONIGHT!!" It's just very lazily written. Dependent on repeated lines and terminology from previous films in the franchise including Halloween 2018. I cringed so hard when Karen gives an encore of "gotcha". I said to myself "Oh god no" I truly wanted to enjoy this film and while there are some aspects of it that I did enjoy, for a big budget Halloween movie it should bring something new and interesting. It instead focuses on nostalgia trips, unnatural dialogue and chants. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and if you enjoyed it, that's awesome. But I think that any true fan of this franchise would expect something better than what we got, especially waiting an extra year, and I think that the writers should be pretty embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
LOL i remember when I first saw the scene with that line I was baffled with how nonsensical it was. Didnt fit into the scene at all and was just ridiculous fan service.
I don't hate the movie overall but some of the dialogue almost makes me projectile vomit. Not since Freddy Vs Jason have I heard quite so many cheese doodle lines in a slasher flick.
All of this, alllll of it. I can even say I enjoyed the movie, but I have to put on my "this is a dumb slasher let's see people die" hat in order to do so. Really wasted stuff here.
I’ve been the biggest fan of Michael for years and too this day I can’t see that much wrong with Halloween kills. My only complaint would yes be that weird off putting dialogue at times and how the flash backs that happened during the movie were weird and a bit anyoing but other than that it’s perfect for me atleast
The cringe started at the end of Halloween 2018 when Laurie pops up behind Michael right before knocking him down into the basement and says "happy Halloween". Fucking terrible.
Finally, someone explains why these movies suck beyond acting and writing... Yes, you nailed it Cordery: everyone in this reboot acts as if they had seen the previous movies making Myers a monster when he's just a random unprolific serial killer from the point they started. Thanx, mate!!!!
Do you know how many Halloween movies they are? There’s like 12 if you haven’t even seen the original or the 2018 one why would they aim the movie at an audience that hasn’t even watched the bloody movies? They realise how iconic he is and that’s why they are expecting people to know. And about him being a monster you can’t deny that the guy is genuinely beyond human. The guy is literally the human embodiment of evil. There’s no way that Michael Myers at the age of 63!! Is able to kill over 30 people in one night that’s not even including the people in the 2018 movie.
It's a classic example of trying to have your cake and eat it too. They want to make something "original" that continues purely from the first movie, but also want the easy setup that comes from things established in the others. The result is a reboot that really feels like it would make far more sense if it actually took place in the same timeline as one of the other sequel paths. Say what you want about the Rob Zombie movies, but at least he both tried to actually do something different and wrote the characters to behave based on what happened in their story instead of acting like they'd experienced the entire franchise. They had plenty of callbacks to the series and recreations of things from the first film, but for better or worse they at least felt like Zombie was trying to tell his own version of the Halloween story instead of just saying "Hey, remember the first movie? Wasn't that great?"
Even these recent two show he has a motive and weird obsessions like how if his mask is removed or pulled up he needs to get it back or fix it and how he likes to arrange bodies in certain ways. I do not want him to talk and think it will only be a disappointment if he does.
I really feel like for this movie and the last with how they overhype Micheal, need Halloween 2 to be part of the continutiy. Like you said Micheal killed 3 people and that's it 40 years go by and nothing happens. To have to second movie included it would at least make Lori's fear of Micheal make more sense since she knows if he ever escapes he'd come for her. For whatever reason they cut Halloween 2 out and it's almost like the writers forgot that in universe Micheal Myers wouldn't be that big of a deal at this point.
I 100% believe they could have included the events of H2 but ret-conned the family relationship. Maybe that nurse was wrong, it happens. She was even in this movie, she could have admitted to being wrong her damn self. It's a very easy thing to fix, and with that movie I think something like 15 people died that night? With one simple change this movie could have worked so much better.
@@chriscze6153 and we wouldn’t have to waste so much time with flashbacks and a “ouuuu we brought loomis back” Ever heard of Dennis Etchisons H4 script?
My prediction is that in the third movie, he’s only vulnerable, and actually die, with the mask off. Just a thought but if I’m right I’m gonna be disappointed. For one thing, I shouldn’t be able to figure that out. Two, all Karen had to do was get rid of it. 🙄
I'm so glad this movie gave us an update on Lonnie. I've always wondered what happened to Lonnie and how Lonnie has been doing since the original movie. #teamlonnie
@@ivanic5246 When you’re so sarcastic, so ironic for so long… .. you wind up so you’re not even so sure yourself. If I hit megabucks I’d be like “oh THATS great.” “So I’m like rich no. That’s SO awesome”.
@@ivanic5246 I’m over commenting . So ready to move on. For 5 years at least. I just need something else. Like I wanna be a doctor but I guess u need to go to college. But gotta find something
I'm so glad someone else noticed all of this. I remember sitting in the theatre with most of the same thoughts. "He didn't kill THAT many people the first time, why is everyone so crazed?" "How many times are they gonna repeat themselves in a row?" "ANOTHER flashback?!" "Is there a reason I should care about these people being killed? They're all idiots and I know nothing about them." I did enjoy a lot of the ideas and visuals they presented and tried to work with. Showing legacy characters, the idea that Micheal has the side effect of scaring people when he isn't around is very Boogeyman-esque. But when the entire rest of the movie is nothing but exposition with Micheal killing someone just to meet a quota it overshadows a lot of it.
One thing that viewers gloss over with this movie is over why anyone else would be caring about Michael in any way if he's killed 5 people. You have to remember Haddonfield is a small-town area, and Michael has carried urban legend status since 1963, and reinvigorated that fear of his legend with the night of '78. The mob is mainly consisted of residents who know of Myers and younger or newer residents bandwagoning mob mentality, which is something that does happen.
In defense of the movie, they can’t really do anything “different” cause it wouldn’t work for the character, you can’t have Michael all of a sudden do something he wouldn’t cause the fans would tear it apart, remember Rob Zombie tried that and it didn’t work out, it was dumb. Michael is the kind of character that you get what you see it’s nothing more or nothing less, that’s why fans love him, his slow methodical pace and unknown feeling to him is what makes him interesting. We should never know for sure why he kills, or if he is supernatural or not, if would ruin him.
Underrated comment, couldn't have said it better myself. You can't change up what Michael does, it either won't work or would be too tough to make it work. And there are reasons why no one should try being it could alter his character in a very different way. I like the idea of not knowing what is behind those scary dark eyes.
All you did was state the reason why this movie shouldn’t exist and you used it as a defense. Jason’s better than Michael, this Fanbase is a plague, and the third movie is the only good one in the series.
Halloween 4 was going in the right direction with the way that film ended but then Halloween 5 got made and that's when the entire franchise went south thanks to the studio decided to retcon the ending of 4
Also, H20 is better. I said it! Come at me Halloween fans! I’ve been watching this franchise since I was six years old and this soft reboot is less than mediocre.
I liked Halloween II 2018, only watched it because it was marketed as being the final movie. Otherwise H20 is where it ended for me, I think Laurie's character was far better than the crazy old paranoid cat lady.
10:13 these movies are 10x more interesting if Halloween II was canon, from Laurie’s understanding of what MM is after dealing with him in the hospital, to Loomis going out like a hero, to the “trauma is hereditary” theme taking on multiple meanings. Also, a lot of the “games” that MM plays is textbook sadism, and we see him analyzing his own murders in a curious way in the original movie - which means there’s absolute intention with what he’s doing. He’s getting off on what he’s doing. They can go somewhere with that instead of just keeping him a symbol/force from the original. Once MM survives 6 bullets - all bets are off. You’ve gotta deal with it somehow. Also, the flashbacks set up Loomis trying to shoot MM in the head and he’s stopped. So why didn’t they show the mob….shoot MM in the head? They would have looked like they really tried, Hawkins would be freed of all guilt, and MM getting back up would have been an even bigger holy sh*t moment.
11:08: You're so right. The characters in "Halloween Kills" shouldn't be this afraid of Michael for just killing 4 people (the fourth one is a mechanic) on Halloween 1978 and being locked up for 40 yesrs with no signs of him returning. If it wasn't against the brother-sister timeline, then all this would have made much more sense. Good point though.
I’ve just had to accept the fact that people will take characters and concepts that I love and force them into a shit pie because lots of people like shit pie.
Completely off topic but I had to share….when I walked out of the theater this guy behind me was acting like he knew everything about Halloween. He starts saying “yep this was made by Rob zombie. He’s been doing these since Halloween 3. Wrote and directed all of these and he’s doing more” I wanted to correct him so badly but didn’t. Sorry my venting is over
The opening scene was actually cool on its own and would make a cool short. All of the recapping was SOOOOO exhausting. Once they got to the point that the bar was turning into a mob I thought “okay, so this is clearly a joke so I’ll forget I’m watching a horror movie” and then suddenly it became fun because I was just watching it for the kills and not the plot. I was laughing with my wife at the awful dialogue and the dumb character decisions. Let’s not forget “my sassy tacklebox” lmao. God it was bad. But I had fun once I embraced that it was bad.
it's also worth mentioning that apparently the writing team didn't wanna include the other patient subplot but Universal demanded something they thought the audience would like. surprise surprise, it ended up being the worst part of the movie and the studio cramming things into a script that didn't belong was to the film's detriment
Gotta disagree respectfully. This movie is not one of the worst ones in the franchise. It has some great elements to it, none of them being the cringe dialogue and awful hospital scenes. However, it's still miles ahead of the sequels you mentioned.
All those sequels are worse than this one imho. However 6 (combination of the theatrical and producers cut) is quite intriguing in a way. But 6 is not even a slasher in my eyes, more like a mystery or thriller.
Just a personal gripe, I suppose, but it confounds me that this reboot series ALSO ignores H2. I know Carpenter said he hated doing H2, but it's since been revered as a worthy sequel and was even widely appreciated upon its release back in 1981. If they wanted to do away with the whole Cult/Curse of Thorn stuff, fine (I guess?), but why dump H2 as well? Because it ended with Michael blown-up and on fire? Even that was addressed in a deleted scene in H4. The guy obviously has supernatural elements to him, so recovering from being roasted isn't all that far-fetched. It would even nicely go along with him surviving the fire that consumed Laurie's home in H2018. Arrgggh. I hate all this trashing of history simply because it doesn't align with modern-day values and sensibilities, or because filmmakers just want to take things in a "different direction". I just hate it.
H2O didn’t ignore 2, but they wanted to try a different angle with these. Thankfully they stopped the thorn storyline. Terrible. Really, what I would love is a direct sequel to 5…that isn’t 6. Remake 6.
@@Cargo_Bay the comment you are responding to isn't talking about h20 but h2 and why these new films are ignoring h2 (1981...I think) the sequel that directly follows the orginal
Brilliant review. Couldn't agree more. When Rusty Griswold got up in the bar and recapped the entire 1978 film, while pointing out the original characters that were so obviously shoehorned into the script for nothing more than fan service, I knew I was in for a shit show. Then it just got progressively worse as it went along. I was so disappointed with this film.
How they did Laurie in H20 is more interesting than just becoming Sarah Connor, ever since Halloween II she's been traumatized although she has tried to move on with her life regardless, until Michael does come back. Too bad it goes to shit by the second third, some actors are really bad, and in multiple times Michael Myers lacks the distinct stiffness in his motions.
40 years later, the only character, that would still be feeling the effects, from that night, is the police officer, who lost his only daughter (Amy), that night. Being the sheriff, and not able to protect his own family, would cause a ripple effect, over his whole life. He should be the one looking for revenge, not Laurie.
@@LouiepTv Agreed. Tommy and Lindsey, were so young, they wouldn't even remember that night. As it stands, they are just holding on to all this, for attention. 🔪
@@browneyedgirl2548 idk about that, thats not something youd forget, no matter the age, how ever i agree its not something theyd be waiting a lifetime for vengeance for tho
Yeah he returns with a few lines after 40 years then gets his head practically cut off . Typical Charles Cyhers tho he always plays characters that get killed 🤣🤣🤣
The problem with the trilogy is the directors/writers constantly mentioning elements of the sequels they dislike... while using them anyway, or just flat-out pissing on their graves at times. -Tommy dying the same way he beat Michael in Halloween 6. -Marion just being there, why the hell does she live in Haddonfield and know everyone? -Brackett just being there to make a nostalgia quote (and using footage from Halloween 2 lol). -Lonnie just being there to die doing the thing he was scared to do as a child. -Lindsey randomly looking like she got the shit beat out of her when she was found. -Only two people in town have a gun (can thank JLC suddenly being anti-gun for that). -Alyson taking her sweet time to get to her boyfriend 3 feet away, and missing with her shotgun at close range. -Michael killing 12 or so people at once: John Wick Style, said people suddenly only attacking him one at a time. -Loomis letting Michael live because a rookie cop said so. -Hawkins surviving getting stabbed in the neck and run over. -Everyone repeating Loomis' lines, and ruining it. -The police doing nothing. -The stupid nurse. -The wife unlocking the door to escape Michael then just standing there making noise as he walks through the kitchen to her. -Michael suddenly getting back in his house and killing Karen, despite the police and Alyson being right there. -Laurie in H20 had an excuse for being an extremist, Laurie in H2018 doesn't have an excuse to be even more extreme, or why she thinks she's Michael's target, when nothing in this trilogy supports that, especially 40 years later. -Michael being supernatural and superhuman again, despite the directions saying he'd be just like he was in the original. -40 years of trauma yet nobody knows what Michael looks like? Speaking of retcons, if it weren't for John Carpenter stepping in, H2018 would have opened with Michael killing Loomis and Laurie being the one to shoot him 6 times off the balcony.
You know, I keep hearing it in these reviews. “The flashback scenes look just like the original!” And it makes me wonder. John Carpenter was a producer on this film. He did the score. Conceivably, he was one set for a not insignificant amount of time. Maybe the reason these scenes look like they were done by Carpenter is because they were.
Its looks like they filmed it in 2020 trying to recreate 1978... it doesnt look or feel like the original and they added in characters that were never in h1
Both Laurie Strode and Jamie Lee Curtis are beyond self important and melodramatic. This movie made me wish we got the true ending of 2018 with Michael killing Laurie.
Everything else aside, Im just suprised people even let this script slide through. Clearly everyone was lazy and said "fk it, 1st draft will prolly be good enough". Also that member berry bit fking killed me lmaooo
If you only take John Carpenter's Halloween into account and no others, he hunts Laurie simply because she walked on his childhood porch. That's all that triggered him, hunted her friends to play the ultimate Halloween trick before executing her and when you think of it, yeah it's a demented thought process of a schizophrenic or evil child. Halloween 3 has an amazing soundtrack and yeah, I give it immediate points for doing something different and original. Going from a Psychotic slasher with the ending of 1, to a wealthy psycho who wants to celebrate Halloween Celtic Pagan style by sacrificing thousands to millions of children that would make Freddy Krueger envious. Halloween 3 had bawls.
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I'm unsure if you really have to do something different with Michael as a character,and I think he is the best part of these films, but everything else I agree with. H2018 had the same issues, but to a lesser degree, but the script to Halloween Kills was so bad that I was actually shocked!
But even then, Jason always had a motive, several even. Partly being a wild survivalist (before dying), partly avenging himself (and maybe his mother if he did saw those kids kill her after all), and REALLY hating premarital sex since it was the reason he almost drowned and got lost.
@@DianaTaffieNah, Michael is a psychosexual sadist. He killed his sister after she hooked up with her boyfriend; he uses the boyfriend's mask in order to recreate the "act". That's also why he targets the sexually active babysitters first. Pamela's motivation in the first movie is revenge for his death. However, Jason's motivation in 2, 3 and 4 is to make his mom happy. 5 isn't Jason, 6 and onward literally makes him a zombie killing machine.
You can't expand on his character without people acussing you of character assassination. That's why the Halloween Franchise should have just been one movie because all the sequels will just be the same. While some of them are fun, Halloween didn't need a sequel.
@@kri249 an anthology movie franchise would have never worked and has never worked. Studio laziness would have made any crap that they couldn’t sell, slap the title Halloween on it, and sell it to everybody like the Cloverfield Paradox or some of the Hellraiser movies. Michael Myers and Silver Shamrock are likely the only two actually good ideas that would have come from the brand. And anthology franchises have NO hook, so once a stinker is released, the brand is over. Also, anthology movies are just….movies. Watching all of John Carpenter’s movies is basically the same effect. “Halloween: The Fog” “Halloween: Prince of Darkness”
I always challenge people when they say movies “shouldn’t have been made” especially when the MCU pumps out the same basic story with similar characters 32 times a year. Horror doesn’t get any respect. We don’t need 3 different Spider-Men within a decade, but nobody is writing them off as things that should never have been made. But the Halloween franchise found targets to feed to Michael to justify sequels. Halloween found things for Dr Loomis to do. We have had several sequels that were their own entity - not a constant retelling of the original movie and playing it safe. They managed to introduce characters late in the game that have become fan favorites. They did a good job for the most part in hindsight and it’s a shame that the 2018 trilogy media machine has conditioned fans to disregard all of them as not worthy while then stealing ideas from all the erased sequels to fuel these new ones.
You know what would have been new and interesting? Explaining why Michael is seemingly a supernaturally unstoppable killer. He's practically Jason Vorhees at this point. And if it's going to be the last film why not wrap it up. So if they're going to tie in Season of the witch with the Silver shamrock masks why not make them legit. Further more, the main villains face looks like Michael Myers mask after he gets zapped. Imagine if that actually was Myers mask and it somehow either cursed him to be a psycho killer, or drew him to it because he was already psycho and made him unstoppable. Imagine if his victims were actually sacrifices like the kids with the silver shamrock masks. That's just my fan theory but it would definitely breath new life into the franchise. Die hard fans may bitch about character assassination but let's face it. It's already fucked at this point. May as well go in balls deep with the lore rather than padding with exposition filler.
My favorite part of the first Halloween is when Michael is stalking Laurie throughout. He follows her to school, he follows her home, he watches her through her bedroom window. That’s not a mindless killer, that’s a creep who has motivation. His motivation is to stalk this specific girl and later kill her and he kills her friends along the way. We don’t know why he’s fixated on Laurie, we just know that he is. It’s so creepy. I want more of that in a Halloween movie. I want more of Michael Myers being a creepy obsesses weirdo stalking people around town. There’s a bit of that in this movie with the little kids. He stalks them and pops out from behind trees to be a creep. The kids tell us this, but we don’t get to see it. I want to see that! I liked this movie well enough because I like to see him kill people, but Halloween needs more stalking. I really liked the scene where he stabs the old man in the back over and over. I want to see whatever that was explored more. And more stalking.
Agreed. The Shape is actually quite particular in the original. Teenage schoolgirls seems to be his preferred victims. Possibly they remind him of Judith and he gets a buzz, a thrill from reliving that night in 1963.
There's some pretty strong evidence that Annie was Michael's actual target. Considering that he's a psychosexual deviant, Michael is drawn to women who are sexually active. So, Laurie got his attention on the porch and accidently leads him to her friends. He stalks them to determine who he "likes" the most. Annie is chosen, so she is killed first and she is placed on the shrine of his sister. (Laurie is the final girl because Michael liked her the least lol)
I absolutely hated Tommy Doyle in this movie And what the hell was Cameron even talking about with HIS family being infected?!!! Literally nobody was in danger from his family and he didn’t get stuck dealing with trauma
Watching the part where he gets up to speak to the crowd kind of ruined it for me or at least made me roll my eyes. Everybody kept bringing up the events of the first that it just felt repetitive and was like "I had this experience with Michael" "I also had an experience with him" etc. and for him to do that during what was it a talent show or contest felt just odd.
@BK Beatty makes me wonder if Tommy Doyle does this like every year or brings it up a lot. Like I survived Michael Meyers and the townspeople just let him talk
I actually liked this movie and thought it was really stupid when they tried to say his motivation isn’t Laurie. And also I understood but didn’t like the mob that formed to try and take him down. If they would’ve either alluded to him breaking out before or waited a day or year to the next Halloween so that people would be aware that he was alive and killing still I think the mob would’ve made more sense. As it stood they barely knew anything about him so the amount of explaining from characters who aren’t as close to him as Laurie was weird. Main reason I liked it was because Loomis and I loved the kills honestly. Halfway through the movie (went into it not knowing a third movie was coming also) I told my girl “I hope Michael kills everybody” cause of where I seen them going with the story lol.
The town thinking it's michael turns it into a comedy because they are so paranoid over a guy that just committed a crime that's pretty average in terms of brutality.
I would honestly love a re cut version of Halloween Kills. Like the 2018 movie, a recut could provide a decent movie. Cut it down to a quick 1h 30 instead of 2+ hours. Keep everything with Michael but erase the patient subplot. And cut down the beginning bar scene.
Once ENDS comes out, one could presumably make a sweet cut combining all 3 films into one. Or he’ll, go a step further and make a cohesive trilogy using footage from every Halloween film to date.
Could be because there were 3 writers, they all took turns on the script, and wrote 3 different stories. It sounds like someone came up with an idea, and no one challenged it, everyone had to get their parts in.
Ya know, fan service is a funny thing with modern hollywood movies these days. Earlier this week, I watched a classic Film Noir film from the 1940's called "Kiss of Death" and one of the earlier scenes of the movie was basically the same setup as another John Carpenter classic film "Escape From New York". Because young people today refuse to watch older movies, they're missing out when hollywood used to "remake" movies by tipping the hat to these older films, rather than constantly referencing and re-using them with "soft reboots".
I'm calling it now. In Halloween Ends, Michael Myers will remove his mask one more time for the camera. Then he'll say a word so we're meant to sympathize with him despite his incredulous murder spree across four decades and four separate film timelines. Basically Halloween H20 again, but with an added trick. Give it about five years and some other director will want to reboot the damn thing. I was watching Halloween 3 a few nights ago and kept thinking what a good idea an anthology would have been for this series. Such a missed opportunity.
@@shurik121 Michael ('78-'18) vs. Michael (Cursed) vs. Michael (H20) vs. Michael ('07). There can be only one! Of course, whoever's left, Ash will take his chainsaw to him.
As Redlettermedia said, the whole movie feels like It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World with a Halloween coat of paint. Just a mob of insane idiots running around like decapitated chickens. Just replace the money they're chasing after with a serial killer instead and you get Halloween Kills.
Guess I stand alone, but I love these new Halloween movies! This new Michael seems truly intimidating. He is more "scary" but still seems like the same Michael. Versus Rob Zombie's 'Michael' who was terrifying, but seemed like he wasn't even related to "Halloween" at all. Almost as of Rob Zombie should have just made his own slasher film separate from Michael Myers. I think what dissapointmented me the most was the nurse/doctor couple was not what I was expecting them to be in my head. LOL. I remember when I saw them in Halloween 2018, and i originally thought maybe they were the parents of the little boy that was being babysat. I was kind of hoping the writers what have made that connection. I also did not understand why they were basically the only ppl dressed up in that bar. I thought they were going to a bomb ass Halloween party.
I think Michael himself is brilliant in the new films, but everything else is either sub-par or terrible. In 2018 it was ok, but the flaws where already there, and in this one, Michael's scenes where the only thing that got me through it. It's good that someone found enjoyment from them, but I don't think I'll pay to see Halloween Ends.
I actually think the nurse Couple character being the parents to the little boy would make their characters more interesting and involved in the story. I actually thought the same as you about them. It would be a cool aspect because Micheal killed three houses in a row in the neighborhood making his motive seemed a bit more he’s just looking for blood
Watching this review reminded me of that one line that Tony Soprano says in that episode of The Sopranos where Paulie keeps bringing up old stories from the past and Tony responds with "'Remember when' is the lowest form of conversation"
I don’t mind a nice long slasher franchise with a lot of sequels, and I don’t mind seeing different interpretations of the same character. Some of the Halloween sequels I’ve grown to really love, even the ones that are panned (Halloween 6 ❤️) and slasher killers are the comic book heroes of horror, and nobody complains when we get 3-4 Spider-Man and Batman reboots every decade and a half and talk about how none of them should have been made. So I’ve always had a chip on my shoulder about how horror is treated in general, but also how the default treatment is always disrespect, from fans and critics alike. That being said, HK is a parody. It feels like they made a computer watch all of the Halloween movies and then had it print out a movie script. And they’ve spent the last few years conditioning the fan base to forget about all the other “nonsense” sequels leading up to Halloween 2018 but now they’re using fan knowledge of those now erased movies to help fill in major blanks in their new movie. Combine that with hyperbolic, Loomis dialogue given to almost every character in the movie, claiming MM is human and then turning him into something even more supernatural than most Conjuring demons, and completely misrepresenting the Haddonfield and the MM legacy created in the 2018 movie and you have an extremely messy middle movie void of character development or proper planning for any of the characters who are actually making it to the final movie. This must be how Star Wars fans felt. And their justification for constantly revisiting the “old story” of Halloween 1978 was to establish this “staring out of Judith’s bedroom window” thing that they’re shoehorning into this trilogy because that’s their explanation for MM. And they’re working on making this mask some kind of special upgrade thing even though he clearly stole it from a department store and it only exists to hide his face in the original movie. You know - at least the Cult of Thorn was a way to tackle all the crazy stuff that Halloween 5 included and those were the days before retconning and starting over. Many didn’t like the direction, but at least they picked a lane and went all the way with it. There’s something respectable about that.
I mean in this movies defense it’s from every other characters perspective that night and it was also the 40th anniversary of the events so it would make sense that it’s all they are talking about.
