Has Bill Belichick's legacy taken a hit with Patriots ongoing struggles post-TB12? | NFL | Speak 

Y’all feel the same about Coach Pop and the Spurs?

@@bama2054Well, he’s got Wembayama now, so it might still change.

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People who actually watched TB12's career know he was just a system QB to start.

@@Khris-wt7br People who saw him from the start, knew that he was no system QB, which is why he did what he did. Bledsoe could not move the ball down the field for an entire game. Once Brady took over, he easily moved it down the field, even if it only led to FG's. At the least, you want a QB who can move it. Dak can move it.

@@HardCold-Alquan he gained experience and became a better quarterback. In the beginning, he was just a manager.

@@HardCold-AlquanBledsoe wanted to air it out cause he had a cannon arm but that doesn’t fit with belichik’s defense, Brady worked cause he took what the defense gives him and relied on his RBs until he turned into an elite passer, once he did you’ll notice as the offense became top ranked, the total defense took a hit cause the offense ending td drives in 2 minutes but they still had great redzone defense so you could go for 400+yds all day but end up kicking field goals all game.

Tom made everyone better

@@Alex-sf9boI hate Tom, but man he was an amazing teammate to his receivers. I didn’t realize that until he was willing to live with AB to get him a shot.

Those defenses helped him aswell

@@twizzy585ful and he is the first one to say that. Bill's defenses also let him down multiple times, most notably SB52. Even at their height, conceded 29 in SB38.

@@Alex-sf9bo except Pats his last year... or Bucs his last year...

Same it was always Tom

Same! I was saying it for years. Finally feel vindicated

U are right about coaches thinking that they are the main reason that their team wins eventhough, they are not bleeding on the field like the players! But i have to say a teams success depends on their offensive and defensive line, much more than any other position i have been saying it for years now, u can actually have a C rated QB and be consistent Super Bowl contenders, because a good O-Line is going to give a QB so much time to be calm and accuratley see who is open, and give the RB big holes to run through to tire the defensive down and eat up the clock, so that means the RB does not have to be pro bowl talented which means u spend less on the RB and QB and a good defensive line is going to make it were a team dont have to spend as much money to get pro bowl talented DBs, as long as they are decent DBs, the pro bowl talented defensive line is going to run the opposing offense off the field so quick that their QB will stay on the field more often with more opportunities to score and learn, because the defensive line made it possible. It use to be so boring when i use to see my favorite teams draft linemen in the first round, but when i really learned how to win, i knew that it was the best thing for a team to do is to strickly for several years straight only draft linemen in the first and seconds, trust me it works. And by the way Tom brady is the best QB of all time, but NOT the greatest NFL player of all time and if u understand what i typed above, then it explains why Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time but NOT the greatest NFL player of all time!

he was overrated IMO

@@ricreal6816 You typed a bunch of nothing Brady has more Wins Yards and TDs and had way bigger impact then any player at any position period there is no argument and you didn’t make one

Greatest QB? Pat Mahomes never played for the Pats under Belicheck.

@@hitek9too255 Lucky for Mahomes never had to deal with the trash offense Belichick always puts on the field he got the best head coach best TE ever and best WR why Alex smith lead the league in passer rating with Mahomes watching from the bench in 2017

I think he knew it was Brady and he was thinking he could plug in Jimmy G and ride the wave of success and act like it was him. You never know, Jimmy G probably could have won one for him - at the time.

@@HardCold-Alquannever

@@Thaulin Never ever!! Craziness

Who made you ?

@@zcam1969His mom i assume

@@jamesxm4240tell it to your other mother brother

Brady and belicheck helped each other them first 3 Super Bowls was Defensive teams especially the first superbowl run let’s not forget that first afc championship Bledsoe was the Qb and won it with the help of defense but Brady did go win the other 3 plus another with Tampa Belicheck got 8 rings been to 11 superbowls appearances his legacy is good he needs to get with the times or retire

Shows you how much Pete Carrol got jobbed. He was replaced by a mediocre coach after three years of winning seasons. Imagine replacing a guy that never had a losing season with a guy who only had one winning season out of four with the Browns? If Pete had one more year to prove himself, he would have gotten Brady and the history of the NFL would forever be different.

As far as I’m concerned he wouldn’t have any

Dougie P.

Spoken as a true football fans. I didn’t think of this but I looked it up and it was straight facts thank you for the ammunition to those bill belchick lovers

and Belichick has more rings than all of them

Bill Walsh's coaching tree is better than Andy Reid's. Especially when you remember that Reid came from Bill Walsh's tree.

Not a one of them got a Ring except Pedersen who's looking like fluke. WTF is the point of this ? Stop it.

LAST TIME THAT I CHECKED

They looking at him like he’s stupid

Holmgren(corrected) is actually another great example of what they were talking about. Won with Favre but then went to Seatle and got to a SB there too.

Man they just be talking smh

Playoffs not superbowl

BS

@@zcam1969 Compare what Belichick's defense did in 2001 playoff to Jeff Fishers's defense did in 1999 playoff. Remember, Belichick invested lot lot more on defense. Brady needed defense, NOT Brady needed Belichick's defense.

Saying that about anything shady says is crazy

@@twizzy585ful With THE Brady of early 2000s, the Pats in last 3 seasons would be SB contender, and Belitard would look like a genius.

@@williamli6200 Brady was pivotal but to disregard the defense over the course of the pats dominance is ignorant and Bill was the head of the defense... he's a terrible GM

he's Phil Jackson riding the coattail of Michael Jordan & then Shaq & Kobe

You gotta get him credit for some of these defenses and specials teams. Also don’t act like bb don’t have players in the HOF. Bb has done amazing things for some and a lot of these players

Jordan never won without Jackson. Brady won without Belichick@@olewis1000

I mean, youre not wrong. People were saying that for a long time

He can't. Kyle Shannahan, Mike McDaniel and Andy Reid can. Maybe Ben Johnson, Lafleur and McVay too. They inflate QB stats. Can get Sam Darnold to put Peyton Manning esque stats. Bill is the total opposite. He ruins QB stats.

@@erikpuka2627can you give specific examples. Because I’m trying to find any instances where those coaches have won anything with “anyone off the streets”

@@HugeRing Brock Purdy, Tua, Garappolo, Alex Smith. Doug Pederson in 2017. Theie playcalling so great they make bad QBs produce good stats

He could win as LONG AS BRADY WAS THERE

But, then his sons would not have jobs.

I can see that happening eventually. Kraft can only have so much patience, and Belichick has pretty much used up all his equity.

Yup. Bill's system only works on the defensive side of the ball, not the offense.

And he had the nerve to think he ain’t need Brady in 2016 when he tried to replace him with jimmy g

@@bobbybetwirlin8442 Can't lie Jimmy was looking good though in that system.

Certainly not. If Tom didn’t have bill early he would have NEVER turned into what he did. They both helped each other at times in their careers.

@@corning1not THEE Greatest but, definitely a great QB

Belicheck benched the superbowl hero Malcolm butler during the pats eagles superbowl and costed Brady another chip. Never forget that.

@@thefitnesslife4988 nah butler was terrible in playoffs that’s why he was benched

@@thefitnesslife4988 Belichick threw that game in a temper-tantrum because Kraft made him trade Jimmy G, when Bill was wanting to trade Brady! He cost the Patriots MORE than just a Super Bowl - he cost them the historic opportunity to be the FIRST franchise to win 3 in a row! I would have fired him for THAT!!!!

​@@Alex-sf9boEric Rowe who played in place of Butler only played 3 games that season and was getting cooked all thought out that SB though 😂

@@dacryptkeeper6836exactly!!!!! I will never forgive him for that.

He is famous for the quote "Player win them, coaches lose them"

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Bill O'Brien the HC was successful and Brian Flores in his short stint as a HC had a winning record and was only fired because he held a grudge against the organization for taking Tua over Herbert.

​@@Lord_Clarke uhhhh....you got that info mostly wrong my brotha 🙏🏾 Brian was pushed out because he wasn't trying to TANK for Tua. He was offered $ for losing and that didn't sit well with him.

Your a clown Bill created that culture and you gonna believe in what these people say and what ur feeble mind thinks.... Je created culture from top to bottom.... first 3 super bowls were defensive driven. Just like the other one against the rams 13 years later..... you think Tom was gonna win if he got drafted in 6th round by another team do youuuuuu... I'll never understand the lack of depth people don't have.... I can paint a bigger picture ... I don't have time

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He's a mediocre coach and a terrible GM.

And he wanted all the glory to himself so he thought he would win a ring without Tom… and it won’t happen and I think the world is starting to see that.

No kidding he proved it when he got full of himself and tried using a DC as an OC and continues to neglect spending serious draft capital on skill positions.

@@chadwickerman hahah u r funny

He's a bad coach. It's clear now

Even the two losses to the Giants under 20 points scored 😂😂😂😂😂🤡

What do you mean? Yeah he lost them two but I mean miracle catch off the helmet and all that but man think about this Brady played how many years and had how many superbowl appearances? Then look at the percentage of how many Superbowls Brady was in compared to how many years he played.... that's the most insane stat that will never happen again. And no other superstar in any sport can compare... I think it's close to 40% however if he had retired from New England than it would be like he was in half of them.... that's such an insane fact.. I'm a raiders fan unfortunately because it hurts and I hated Brady until the later years and then I cheered for him because I'm a fan of people making history

Love big red, great at maximizing his qbs' talent (I think all his qbs literally had their best years with him) but his clock management in Philly was atrocious and cost him big games, and iirc he missed the playoffs because of that. Bill's clock management and understanding of the rules is top tier.

It's that he didn't evolve🤔the point is that he is getting exposed. Brady covered his flaws

He Is too arrogant to evolve or perhaps a bit of a senile

No we don't baby ain't tackle or int no passes

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Brady was groomed through Spygate his first 7 seasons that's why Brady became what was for 20 something years.Belicheck is grooming Mac Jones naturally not through spygate so that's why we see more of a struggle or failure... can't steal playbooks and signals no more.

@@learnwithsofiajade Patriots fans we seen him more often

@@colbyryans1018 so what did Belichick do ??

James Jones is an awful addition.……. 5:36 “his legacy has absolutely tooken a hit”. This brotha is on here saying “tooken”…not “taken” but tooken…..I am embarrassed

Nah, James has been far from perfect, but he did have a solid take on this segment.

@@tmc31390 maybe so Huey but it was some cringe moments listening to him get to that point. Does he always create f'd up words like he did in this vid when he makes his points?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@crittoneida958 like why young dough boy told young ricky not to bring that football in boyz in da hood ☠☠☠

ALL HE NEEDS IS A QB .I'M NOT KNOCKING ON mac ..but

No better example than him taking N'Keal Harry over AJ Brown.

​@@FrizzKid05as a pat fan om still annoy by that draft the crazy part they could of got aj brown and Metcalf.

@@FrizzKid05 both are bums

certainly you guys could do better than Bill .NOT

The Steelers has done nothing in a decade and a half. He wins regular season games then does nothing come playoff time. Last time they got past the wildcard was 2017. Don’t let his wins fool you, he’s done nothing since 2009. And when he was winning a lot, he had elite talent on both sides of the ball including and elite qb in Big Ben. Kenny Pickett has been awful. What are you watching?

And has his own video game that belichecks never been in

Madden is better than belicheeet

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And only has 1 ring.

@@hitek9too255 without needing Tom Brady to get it for him

she has bums for co=host

Exactly give Brady "his" statue infront of Foxborough

how many rings phil jackson has without michael jordan and kobe bryant? reid without mahomes?

Reid without mahomes is way better than Bill without brady

Andy has only won because of mahomes

@@luffymonkey9552wdym chief Ms we playoff contenders with Alex smith

Nah had nothing to do with that butler was awful in the playoffs and the pats held the rams the next year to 3 points without butler

People don't bring that up enough like this is an entire rebuild none of the players now have played with Brady they weren't there 4 years ago

Yeah that wasn’t a great example 😂 Like it was him and Kobe Bryant ain’t all that 🤣

Pop was still a playoff team with Kawhi and with Derozen. It wasn't until they traded them away and tanked that the spurs started stinking.

Pop was a great coach for years pre Duncan made WCF in 1995 and won 60 games and was Zaza cheap shot away from maybe winning the title the year after Duncan retired very bad analogy

Pop has made the playoffs more times post Duncan than Bill has made the playoffs post Brady

I don't think he prioritizes the defense. He just doesn't know what to do with the offense. Last 5 first round picks for the Patriots, DB, OL, QB, S, WR. That's 3 out of 5 that are offensive players. He just can't select or develop those players correctly.

Because of ego…

@@KiLlACaMrOn94 yeah but who threw for more than 500 yards and pulled out all stops to win it? (Also helped the Eagles did a fake “closed training session” knowing the Patriots would spy on it 😆)

@@KiLlACaMrOn94 also who could’ve seen Nick Foles playing the game of his life on the biggest of stages after a few not very good games after Wentz went down?

And Eli Manning TWICE!

Patriots lost because Belichek decides to bench Malcom Butler for reasons still unknown. I wish Kraft got rid of Belichek instead of Brady

Your crazy , Ty law , Willie, teddy , Richard , Vince and the list goes on all pro bowlers and hall of famers

@@speedlife301 Bro they all play together as team, that's what they had. None of those you are mentioning better that Donald ,Von Miller Ray Lewis Ed Reed ect . The list goes on.

​@@fazalishmail1386facts and plus the players he mentioned its only two hall of famers out that group

​@@speedlife301Willie McGinest tedy bruschi are not in football Hall of Fame

Both Willie McGinest and tedy bruschi went to two pro bowls each that's it you act like they went to the pro bowl every year they played Willie McGinest tedy bruschi I don't think we'll ever be selected to the football Hall of Fame Vince wilfork is not in the football Hall of Fame Vince wilfork went to 5 pro bowl

Who won NOTHING before phiL just like MICHAEL JORDAN

Well said. This is how I feel as well. It was definitely the two working together that played a role in their success. And Brady masked Bill’s deficiencies, while Bill was able to coach up defense and the special teams with guys off the street. The argument has swung too far in favor of Brady in the last couple years and since Brady won a SB with the Bucs. The truth is somewhere closer to the middle and they needed each other. Arians was a great coach as well.

@@hawkner Compare what Belichick's defense did in 2001 playoff to Jeff Fishers's defense did in 1999 playoff. Remember, Belichick invested lot lot more on defense. Brady needed defense, NOT Brady needed Belichick's defense.

Pretty much

Exactly, Brady played with great defenses

Brady took pay cuts to allow them to build a team. Bill just sucks at building offenses that can compete.

@@FrizzKid05that truth

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Let’s take away Lawrence Taylor from Bill Parcel , Kobe Jordan , and Shauq from Phill. Zonka from Shula..Emmit,Playmaker and Troy from Jimmy🤔 FOH they all average without Great Players 😑

@@peeweedee1Comedythat would be a valid argument however Bill picks the players, so that’s also on him

Naaaaah.

Delusion.

@@HopefulNihilist You are clueless. Belitard needed *high QUALITY plays from his QB with a CHEAP squad.* that is what Brady did for him.

@@williamli6200 How many SuperBowls does Brady have without a top 5 defense? I will wait.

@@HopefulNihilist firs SB, #6 defense on TPA, #24 on TPA. BTW, in 2003 and 2004, Jets, Bills and and Dolphins scored total 76 points in 6 games, and they played tons of offenses ranked in 20s.

@@HopefulNihilist You don't have to wait, I never deny Belichick's greatness against lousy offense and 1-dimensional offense. His defense just couldn't be relied on in 4th quarters, and NO CHANCE against elite versatile offense.

Id10t, Compare what Belichick's defense did in 2001 playoff to Jeff Fishers's defense did in 1999 playoff. Remember, Belichick invested lot lot more on defense. Brady needed defense, NOT Brady needed Belichick's defense.

No one mentioned Brady’s offense ranked high than Bill’s defense most the years

Not true, 2011 the patriots had the 31st ranked defense and it was the first time the last ranked defense to ever go to the superbowl!!!!! Just saying!!!

Tom allowed Bill to have a top defence as he kept the other team's offence off the field for such large chunks of time the defence was nearly always fresh. The minute Tom leaves and the offence starts turning the ball over you put the defence under so much more preasure.@@williamli6200

​@@jianhkuangGreat point and most people don't know this but Tom Brady led a top 10 scoring offense every year but one. They were 12th in 2003. In fact if you average out the offensive scoring ranks for the Patriots with Brady as the QB you get a top 5 offense as an average. Under Brady the Patriots set a still NFL record of 14 consecutive seasons with 400+ points. Tom Brady was the single greatest offensive player the NFL has ever seen and he did it with nobodies.

So how about the 34 points the defense gave up against KC and Brady won that game??

​@@omizzy20Seahawks int now what

So the 41 pts and 37 pts Brady dropped in the first two playoff games, meant nothing? You said the Rams averaged 33 ppg, well Todd Gurley was a huge part of that and he was damaged goods by the SB. That is very misleading.

So the 41 pts and 37 pts Brady dropped in the first two playoff games, meant nothing? You said the Rams averaged 33 ppg, well Todd Gurley was a huge part of that and he was damaged goods by the SB. That is very misleading.

So the 41 pts and 37 pts Brady dropped in the first two playoff games, meant nothing? You said the Rams averaged 33 ppg, well Todd Gurley was a huge part of that and he was damaged goods by the SB. That is very misleading.

Same goes for Pop and Tim Duncan.

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@@officialchoccypop ???