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Preach. That’s 100% what they said

But he went though how many Coaches took two different teams to the Super Bowl??? He kept going to NFC championship games. Two different teams not many coaches can say that??

Big Red Had Success with Many different QBs Not Just Patrick Mahommes. He didnt win the Superbowl but he was WINNING!

@@dexterhunter8907What was he winning though? Divisional and Conference are nice but no one remembers them. SB is the real deal, any trophy outside that is a red herring nothing more.

andy winning was 65% winning without mahomes....playoff record without mahomes 12-13......Bill is a flat-out looser coach without Brady.

He let Mat Patricia be the offensive coordinator lmao.

Yall saying like Brady came in as a goat

@@rodneythomas851Then if he supposedly developed Tom Brady then how come he couldn’t develop Mac Jones and Mac Jones was a higher draft pick than Tom Brady

​@@jakieresykes3644Brady took time to be developed the defense carried the team the first 3 years by 2004 Brady took charge

@@fatpatlives1998 The how come he couldn’t develop Mac Jones Bill Belichick has a losing record as Head Coach without Tom Brady

Good. Andy can take it. Shady 😢isnt Andy.

You can tell shady wanted smoke after that comment 😂😂💪🏿

🤣🤣🤣

We see you 🤡

Say it again in Tom Brady’s voice😂

Amen

Do you not remember the conversation people were having about Tom Brady early on when people were accusing him of being a bus driver?

​@PingingYou ya that was when ppl didn't know who he really was. TB12 won 7 and 1 without Bill in his mid 40s. Bills style of coaching worked because of Tom Brady.

I know it

@@ivory29jaguar so why wasn't this big baller at Michigan come on man. Tom developed into the goat He didn't come in as this highly touted talent.

My coach yelled at me way more than my dad ever did

f bombs and everything. i was in the 7th grade lol@@randydaytona5615

I caught that too. I guess what we define as "old school" depends on our generation. She's Millennial Generation. I'm Gen X. To my Gen X ears, the phrase "I'm old school, I don't like to be yelled at" in a sports context sounded really off. To a Gen Xer, yelling used to be part of the road. But maybe that's different for Millennials.

The entire narrative on Bill is ridiculous. To delete a guys success because he had Tom Brady for 20 years is absolutely idiotic. The bulk of his career is with Tom , to delete 20 years and judge a guy off the rest Is dumb. Also Tom and Belichick both lost with the Pat's Tom's last 2 years. Now all the sudden Bill became a lost wirhout Tom 🙄🙄🙄

@@LKS-M9323 Agreed. I view that whole debate as generational too, and the way we talk of sports in general has changed. I know I make myself sound old - Gen X, born in the middle of the 1970s. I have not bothered to look up the ages of all panelists, but I'm guessing that they are all Millennial Generation. I admit to watching clips at times for entertainment (after all, I am making this comment) but the show often lacks a sense of historical context and nuance. I don't recall Bill Walsh being denigrated because he had Montana, Jerry Rice, and other Hall of Famers. Chuck Noll experienced some really down years in the 1980s (decreased talent, bad drafts including infamously passing on Dan Marino and to Noll's credit he owned up to his share of responsibility in the bad decision). But I don't recall a narrative of dissing Noll because of the large amount of Hall of Famers on the Steelers during the dynasty era. Noll was far more old school than any of these panelists. Similar things being said in this discussion could have been said of Noll in the late 1980s and early 1990s (and a 35-year-old Bradshaw may have said far worse about Noll than Shady said of Belichick if given today's level of discourse), but Noll can still be treated with respect.

He’s 1000% correct here. No Tom = No winning. Tom left and won a chip , that right there showed it all, it was all Tom

@@truth2219Tom went to a stacked team. If it was all Tom why did he choke and lose to Eli 2x if it’s all Tom. Why didn’t he inspire the defense or offense. I guess Tom stopped the rams 2x on defense too huh…teams win titles with great players at key spots. Brady is the goat but “ALL” Tom I stupid

@@truth2219 he’s not 1000% correct. Bill’s defenses played a major part in those championship runs. Those defenses locked down multiple top 10 offenses including the Greatest Show On Turf to even give them chances to win championships. It wasn’t all Tom, whatsoever.

@@deciuswtasby no one said the bucs were super bowl bound before brady got there. in those 3 ne losses, brady did all that he was supposed to do, but the defense came up short. that top ten defense you haters claim did it all, even though they changed but tom remained.

He's right though

loooooool

exactly, its called quit when your ahead...Saban's legacy is not tainted..2 yards from winning his last champ....he walked away, thats very hard to do..bill couldnt do it...too greedy, wanted record..he looks real bad now

Lol no. Saban left because the NIL killed his stranglehold on getting the best players. He's an average coach and was going to get exposed. That's why he left. Harbaugh used NFL coordinators to beat teams with superior talent. Without superior talent Saban was in big trouble.

Nah he left because he lost a lot of power to NIL. He can’t hog all the good players anymore

@@sethchandler4170But once he retired the players started leaving

@@shanecamera4402But once he retired the players started leaving

So he got a peep at shady's feet😂😂😂

What you mean? He has a Nokia brick phone ha!

Ikr i SUSPECT they a couple on the LOW😊

Right!

News Flash, it's a script, all written and rehearsed just like all of these "reality" shows about sports personalties. It's a soap opera that sells other stuff like fake hair, fake nails and tons of make up. It's all fake news these days, they leave nothing to chance. You won't see a show where they all agree on anything, it's pretend, or fake reality. Watch it for what it is, it's funnier that way, same with the regular "news".

How come he can’t do that for any other quarterback see Bill Belichick as a defensive coordinator he’s the greatest no question but the fact that he was the Head Coach and GM he made some questionable decisions

Nah. He did not.

Really got point re Taylor

Correct me if I’m wrong but when Bill coached a team without LT and TB12 what was his record? Yelp, the answer is average

@@samidavis3146how many coaches win without great talent 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

Now that's a question I'd like to see them all talk about and how Shady would answer this question.

I mean, i think we know how that would go, "before pat mahomes, did andy reid have a winning record?", due to age prob won't be an after question, but the evidence is clear, superbowl appearances and winning seasons with a different franchise. I'm not saying i agree or disagree, but i think it's easy to see how that conversation would go.

Difference is, unlike BB Andy Reid is a successful coach without Mahomes. He was winning a lot of games with a lot of different QBs and perpetually making the playoff. He just couldn't win the Superbowl. With Mahomes, they are dominating right now. BB on the other hands is a below 0.500 HC without Brady. In 11 seasons without Brady, BB on is below 500 and only make the playoff twice. That is 2 out of 11 seasons. If you don't know BB won 6 Superbowls with Brady, you would say BB is a very bad coach. Had BB have success similar to Andy Reid without Brady, then everything Shady and Acho said about BB is wrong. But they are saying he is a sub 500 coach before and after having Brady. 11 seasons is a huge sample size. Most coaches don't have 11 seasons to prove themselves. Most coaches permanently lose their chances at being an HC after 5-6 seasons. And we view those HCs as really bad HCs.

@@sportsavant2937 1: Andy Reid always had amazing talent to work with, which makes his job that much easier. 2: The Eagles were led by Jim Johnson and the OG bend don't break defense with one of the gretest Safeties/Leaders in NFL history..Weapon X. Andy Reid failed the Eagles. He had a franchise Qb, in McNabb, whose greatest weakness was his accuracy and AR's playcalling was predicated on his QB being accurate. Outside of the 1 season with Owens, Philly's best offensive weapon was their RB (Westbrook). Reid never adjusted. Mahommes skill hides Andy's flaws.

@@naesmclaughlin And Bill doesn't have talent? He had the $100 million dollar man as the QB before Brady and wasn't winning. He handpicked Mac Jones top 10, plus had Cam and others for a bit, and wasn't winning. He paid the most amound of money of any team by far after Brady left to stack up the defense and the TE, etc, and still wasn't winning. He had the money so why didn't he buy the good players? Clearly he thought he was good enough with those he chose. And as far as defense goes, he pays so much for defensive players, almost any DC can do well with them.

Belichick can’t even get to 500 without Brady Reid is 30 games over 500 without mahomes

No. Nor do they utterly flunk their last 3 seasons, choices of OC and DC, and drafts by accident.

@@123shoshanBelichick won 2 Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator before Tom what was Andy Reid doing before Mahomes?

​@@user-lt1fx2he5s Choking/getting upset in the playoffs alot And sometimes not even MAKING the playoffs

@@GORILLA_PIMPDoesn’t Bill Belichick has a losing record as a Head Coach without Tom Brady

I hope not. He’s never had good chemistry but Fox still throws em in there for diversity lol

Exactly! From Cam Newton to Mac Jones. He had time to show us who he was and look at the results.

He really let Matt Patricia be the offensive coordinator of Mac Jones 🤣

That was his ego and pride but he’s still the GOAT HEAD COACH

That's ridiculous.... It's been 3 seasons... Everybody conveniently forgets that MULTIPLE players left when Tom left, it wasn't just Tom Brady who left or retired. Also everyone loves to forget that in these 3 years the division got significantly better between the Bills and Dolphins as well... The AFC East was a joke for number of years.... Then Tom goes to the NFC South, also a joke of a division and wins in the worst division in football at the time. There were numerous top 5 to top 10 defenses in those 20+ years and that's not on Tom. The drafting and development of players was not on Tom, quit with the nonsense. I am a Raiders fan and hate the Patriots but to say it was all Tom is crazy talk.

​@@provisionalhypothesisI wouldn't say he is a system QB... Not sure where you got that. This conversation is about Bill and how it's nonsense to say everything was due to Tom when that's 1 phase out of 3 phases of the game. To act as though the Top 5 defenses which Bill put together had nothing to do with winning and it was Tom is crazy.

He’s a hater bruh. How was Bill “never that good” yeah yall say anything

Because Brady was there. That is exactly Shady's point.

Wow one playoff win in 5 years as a Browns coach. Everything you wrote can easily be debunked. Belichick was 5-11 in his last season in Cleveland and it had nothing to do with Modell leaving. Ya sure he could have taken them repeatedly I was brought up where if you have an opinion on something always ask yourself how well you would do in a Court of Law with that opinion ... Bill Belichick as a head coach in the NFL without Brady (Resume) ⤵ 1991 out of playoffs 1992 out of playoffs 1993 out of playoffs 1995 out of playoffs 2000 out of playoffs 2001 (0-2) After Brady Week 3 - (14-3) 2008 out of playoffs 2020 out of playoffs 2022 out of playoffs 2023 out of playoffs .437 Win% in 140 games without Brady > Sample size = 8.5 seasons Only 1 playoff win , Wild Card (10 full seasons) without Brady That's a damning forensic record. Brady without Belichick > SB winner/SB MVP 14,600 yards passing and 110 TD's (Best in the NFL) over 3 season in Tampa at ages 43-45 And I'm Derek Jeter in the on deck circle just getting warmed up Wanna Play With Me?

And the waterboy and the cheerleaders and the owner and and and. If you wanna be literal about it sure. But we're talking big picture, who made the most difference. It was TB12. Bill I think gets like 15% of the credit cause he did teach defenses and he trained people hard, but he also bend/broke the rules a lot and made life miserable for the players and cut good players early despite Tom giving back money. He said himself, he could make the best game plan ever, but the players are the ones that execute it.

@@sonikspeed19how does he get 15% when Tom doesn’t coach any other position or play any other position 🤔

@@deciuswtasby Again, it's big picture, Brady vs Bill. Of course other players matter, but nobody talks about Mahomes' left tackle or his safety, or his waterboy. They walk about the QB and the Coach who are the main leaders of the team usually. So between them, Brady 85% and Bill 15%.

​@@deciuswtasbyExplain why without Tom Brady he's a losing coach!!!!

​@@juliecrenshaw-on6ujand TB12 went to another team, HC, conference and won another SB.

Yea but Mcnabb was a good QB, same as Vick. It wasn’t like he was coaching mediocre QBs

@@SteveJones-gz3nd agree, but he also got lesser QBs to play at a higher level. It's a gift he has.

@@boki424 what lesser QBs are you talking about? And what makes one QB better than another? But I disagree that Reid had lesser QBs. I mean if you’re going to go that route, although the Chiefs won, didn’t the Ravens D shut Maholmes down in the second half?

Game manager? Can you be any more casual? The only reason The Pats won the SB over Carolina in 2003 was because of Brady. He carried Belichicks horrendous defense in that game on his shoulders (Care For Details?) Game manager? > In Brady's 2nd season he led the NFL in TD's and was 3rd in passing yards and the only reason the Pats missed the playoffs in 2002 was because of Belichicks horrible defense. In 2004 Brady was a 1st team Pro Bowler. He threw for more TD's against Philly in that SB than Mahomes did in his first 2 SB's combined. You tried but you failed miserably

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​@@antonchigurh7227so when they got brady at the 199th pick u said that's the goat right there 😅 be no tom without Bill

@@marvshirk6302 Hey lifetime idiot Brady was sensational his 2 starting years in Michigan *19-4* . Problem was he was 6'4 and 175 lbs and couldn't run in an era where no one thought he could stand up to the punishment in the NFL. That's why he was drafted late. And how was Bill Belichick before Brady you ask???? Bill Belichicks Resume ⬇without Tom Brady 1991 out of playoffs 1992 out of playoffs 1993 out of playoffs 1995 out of playoffs 2000 out of playoffs 2001 (0-2) After Brady Week 3 > *14-3* 2008 out of playoffs 2020 out of playoffs 2022 out of playoffs 2023 out of playoffs A horrendous *.437 Win%* in 140 games without Brady > Sample size = 8.5 seasons 1 playoff win in 10 full seasons without Brady (Wild Card) Try and get around that you dork

It’s called respect

what is that emoji?

andy reid had multiple winning seasons without Pat, that the difference

@@yinyang4691he didn’t win it all 🤷🏾‍♂️. Lots of coaches win games….but it took him getting a generational talent to break through……All great coaches have had a great QB….

I've been watching the NFL since 83' we never thought Reid was a Top Tier Coach, Mahomes made him get there. Bill is the GOAT of coaches

Yeah basically Reid never won a sb WITHOUT mahomes and he never will so yeah he basically is belicheck

@@yinyang4691That don’t mean sh** did Andy Reid win a Super Bowl before he got with Patrick Mahomes?

I remember that 28 point lead they choked away in that wild card game a ten years ago

Well said

Yeah, those first SBs with the Giants don't happen without him especially the one where they neutralized a high powered Bills Offense.

Back to his buffalo bills days lol

You expect these clowns in suits to be tasteful ?

Look at the facts…BB teams are mediocre at best without TB12… idk how you can sugar coat facts lol

Exactly Defense his draft draft and personnel choices on offense for 20 years with the exception of a few shooting stars here and there was horrendous

This is one of the few times I agree with Joy. Man football is such a team game. You need good coaches up and down the food chain to win, aside from having generational players like Brady. BB like you said, built that NE defense, and most times Tom is just being asked to "manage" the game. So you see a lot of boring 21-17, 17-14 games, where NE's games barely scratch 40 points combined. BB manages the D, manages the clock, squeeze every possession (that's why you hear NE coaches scoffing at people reaching for the endzone Re: Zay Flowers). Although to Tom's credit, when he's asked to come from behind, he's more clutch than not. BB did have some ego, did think he could win without Brady, and did find out the hard way. But does that make him a bad coach? No it doesn't. But to today's NFL offense driven, you can't hit players like before as a D, you have to have those innovators on offense. That's why they are going young. The "Patriot Way" is so 10 years ago. These young guys don't know what winning takes. Which also means, if you can build a dynasty like KC, or the up and coming SF, you can probably win a lot more. Because teams are now selfish, undisciplined, badly coached, as players get more and more power. So they all go together. BB at the end is just a victim of his time ... I think if someone's interested at Steve Wilks as a head coach, I definitely wouldn't mind having BB as the 49ers' D coordinator. I don't think for a second Shanahan's ego's too big for that.

@@sterlingcunningham2399 The team still made the playoffs after Tom left with Mac Jones. The team fell off after retirements on defense and no perimeter threat or dynamic TE.

mahomes didn't play defense

It’s awful to watch. I’m surprised the execs haven’t spoken to him to tone it down.

@@ManUntdForever he says it’s not disrespectful but it def is, and seems personal. And I’m a colts fan that hates the patriots 😂

He not wrong about a single thing he said about Bill….

@@ItsArchieYo right?! Makes you wonder if Bill passed on signing him or something lol

@@truth2219 to say a 6 time Super Bowl winning coach is a loser is wild. I don’t care who you got on your roster

That’s a makeup face

Yep we use to say that ALL the time patriots had some studs on defense from top to bottom especially when they had Ty law shut down corner and Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfolk, Teddy with 2 other stud Linebackers and also Tom Brady had 4 pro bowlers on the offensive line 😂 When Manning won a superbowl with colts against the bears the colts that year was undersized on defense and they couldn’t stop the run and he still won it

Patriots defenses in defense DVOA 2001-2007 finished top 10 4 times. 03 ,04,06, 07 2009-2019 finished top 10 only once. Only in 2019. Patriots defenses of the 2010s were bad. They were good early with Parcells roster.

​@@erikpuka2627Nice rebuttal. 👏

just like bill disrespected Tommy

Yeah, the man who spent MOST of his career RECORDING opposing teams plays is being disrespected!😂 Belicheck Disrespected himself!😂

BillaCheat is a 🤡

That’s because bills teams gave him that work which is why he won 2 SBs on the bench

@@deciuswtasbyBill ain’t 💩 without the Goat 🐐 TB12 ! Thats was Tom Work! Thats why he the untouchable Goat 🐐!

@@universoullifebalancethen if it’s only Tom why did they lose to Eli 2x and go 8 years with no SB appearances 🤷🏾‍♂️….teams win titles…..Tom still the goat but to say it’s “only” Tom is silly

@@deciuswtasby no where did I say “only” Tom smh .. READ my friend it’s fundamental.. of course a great Oline and good defense helped but Tom is by far the MAIN reason, then Defense, then Oline , THEN Bill.. Bill is a glorified Defensive coordinator.. Tom’s leadership makes any coach better

@@universoullifebalanceif what you say was true he would have 10 SBs…..why didn’t it make them Score more than 20 points against the giants 2x….why didn’t it make the DBs stop the eagles Backup QB….you can’t say “his leadership” but they still lose when he’s there….

Wade Phillips held Brady to 13. That was a game of attrition. And Jared Goff wasn't exactly Joe Montana at the time.

lol

PAUSE!😂

I'm always surprised when he doesn't mention that Shady was the Eagles leading rusher

So you forgot Brady legit left after one season and won a chip with the Bucs with Bruce Arians as his coach but that credit went to Belichick right? So how did Brady win in Tampa if it was the Patriot way when all the NFL greats like Shay Sharpe stated it was Tom's way and it was never the Patriot way

Bill absolutely coached up the GOAT, just can't coach up any other QB and has a coaching stump. 😂

@@inuyashafreak6393 Brady won in Tampa because he got to spend 20years with bill. Brady is talented, you can't achieve what he achieved without being great, but let's not get it twisted, I doubt he would be the "GOAT" without bill

@@thedoc2398Then How come he has a losing record without Tom Brady

Foolishness. It was both…..

@@deciuswtasby Really? How many Super Bowls did Bill win after Tom? Bill has been trash before Tom and the saga continued after Tom.

@@andrehall5747so Tom played defense, blocked, kicked, and caught his own passes? If it was purely “Tom” how did they go 8 straight years with no SB appearances……either Brady choked for 8 years of the credit is very much due. Pick one

@@andrehall5747so Brady choked 2x against Eli and got beat by a backup too right? It’s all about Tom…..he should have inspired them and made them WIN…..see how stupid that sounds

@@andrehall5747you must not be aware of how many top 10 offenses Bill’s defenses shut down during their run…

Bingo!

Hilarious isn’t it

What nuance?

He's right tho. STOP IT.

@@redogre3395What is he right about though?

⁠@@user-lt1fx2he5sBilly Bob was under .500 before Brady and is again under .500 after him. Brady then leaves and win another SuperBowl without him.

​@@goldiilockzz7556You left out so much info you sound like Shady. Leaving out everything important. You just looked at W L..and missed on all the stuff Joy and James were trying to say. But Shady being Shady knew it and kept cutting them off

so you giving any credit to the game manager

Clown statement

the first, he was. But definitely not the second. gaudy numbers just didn't happen often in that era, but he wasn't a game manager. he led the league in TDs his second year starting.

Game managed the team down the field with less than 2 minutes left in the first 2 SB's after Belichick's precious defense yielded 4th quarter leads of 14 and 19 points to secure victory and MVP's. 😂

They don’t wanna admit that Tom Brady wasn’t Tom Brady when he first got into league

If Shady is right how come Tom Brady only went to one Super Bowl without Belichick?

Because the defense broke down and kupp got open.

@@user-lt1fx2he5sHow come Bill Belichick has a losing record as a Head Coach without Tom Brady

Lil bro is the worst analyst on the show

@@KingofeverythingChicagoBearsyeah but he funny though😭

@@KingofeverythingChicagoBears😂😂

agreed, but nothing he said he was wrong. Belichick a fraud

I think it gets him so much because he played with Tom he saw what was happening from the inside. I think it is in some ways personal for him and he knows Tom will not go to the media with this Tom is way too politically correct to say anything. I think that he wants somehow to help Tom gets his fair share of the credit. Because he knows that for so long Brady has been called a game manager and a system quarterback. I think Shady was appalled by what he saw and how Brady had been treated over the years by mainstream media it became personal and he said I don’t know how but I have to do something to change that.

😂😂

lol how many offensive geniuses are out there?

He did not flame out before Tom brady. Lots of ignorance of History around the sports world.

@@eddievangundy4510He has a losing record without Tom Brady

So in that case Kiiff Kingsbury shouldn’t have a job because he has an under 500 record

Tom Brady was the first Purdy let's be clear

@@KingofeverythingChicagoBears exactly 100%

@@KingofeverythingChicagoBears I agree, but they actually ask Purdy to do more than they did Brady. Brady wasn't bringing anyone back down 17 points back in the day.

@@jamesfetcho6315 remember Tom never was in the same breath as Manning until Yr 7

@@KingofeverythingChicagoBears agreed