"I hope you weren't comparing women to children" she gave him the chance to backpedal, but he stood strong and was determined to make himself look like a loser.
This was a typical straw man argument she was making. Feminists systematically use weak arguments and are praised for doing so. This is why their whole platform became so ridiculously bad. One day the feminist bubble is going to pop and everyone will see that feminists have been scamming society for decades, playing the victims and taking all the advantages for themselves
@@JessKalinow ok the guy was also making really bad arguments... It's true. But the saying "comparing X to Y" is still not the same as "equating X to Y". You can compare Hitler to Gandhi, but that doesn't mean they are the same. I guess what I'm saying is that the intellectual level of this debate was really quite low overall...
@@angelinaquawas7337 hey, I might sound like them, but I'm really progressive and left wing. I'm literally pro Bernie. Still "Feminism" is a true disaster... Let's just ditch feminism and just work for justice for everyone. "Feminism", by its very name, is not about equality
And they've been around for a while now too. I was delivered by a male midwife over 2 decades ago and it blows my mind the dude said male midwives are inappropriate? By that argument he should also say it's inappropriate for a male doctor to deliver a baby, or inappropriate for there to be male gynecologists.
‘I’ve studied evolutionary biology quite a bit’ translates to ‘I went on google and clicked on two websites and then memorised the facts that best suited my argument’.
@@ahchermgaming5003 no, he's not saying that men and women are just "different", he's trying to make out that men are better than women and that women should be treated like property or children who can't make decisions for themselves.
The reason for high suicide rate is that males are treated as expendable and second class citizen compared to women in all aspects of their life. And the solution feminists propose is "just express your feelings". Oh wait, if you do express your feelings feminists will fire you from your job, put you in jail and make your whole family live in poverty... So yeah... that's why men call it quits more than women. The more you know....
@Microinsurgent Warzone James Damore, not in jail but he was fired and put on a black list and can never be hired again in his field, all for angering feminists. Also so many men get put in jail because of false accusations of rape and these accusations often stem from having angered the feminist mob by speaking their mind and talking about what they feel. In addition to this, please stop staying that the "patriarchy" is bad. "Patri-" means father. What has being a father have to do with any of this? Fatherhood should be defended and promoted, not vilified. I agree that feminists hurt fairness between genders by promoting unjust concepts like the "patriarchy".
@Microinsurgent Warzone I'm sorry but the words people use matter and the roots of words reveal deep presuppositions in people's thinking. In this case it reveals that feminists hate fathers. If feminists simply wanted to condemn a male centered society they would have said so instead of fighting against fatherhood
@Microinsurgent Warzone False allegations of rape and harassment are a big way that feminists exercise their power. See for example the Kavanaugh hearings
@@chrslb False allegations of rape and harassment are minorities of the reports. And women are still the gender most likely to be raped and sexually assaulted. We don't fight against fatherhood. We encourage fathers to be closer to their children by taking on some of the responsabilities in the household that have traditionally always been held by women. That's something that gonna help you when you want custody of your child ; how close you are from them.
"Traditional society" is totally set up for men to get laid. Arranged marriages, few/no jobs for women, women couldn't own land, no protections against marital rape.
I think what he wants is a society that's so conservative that men choose the husbands for their daughters. I think they think that if we went back to that kind of society, some dude would give him his daughter. Basically they want to go back to a society where they can legally force women to be with them and treat them like property.
Dis List, if these incels spent the same amount of time on themselves that they do on researching debunked ideas that validate their limited views, they’d get laid more.
He's what the average 4chan regular looks like, honest to God. The guy who made the soy wojak? the guy who made the chad meme? There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that they look exactly like him. He is the quintessential internet conservative youth. The next time you see a chad or wojak or doomer meme or whatever, consider that the people reinforcing those fake ass stereotypes look like him.
Imagine how much better this debate would’ve been if they had included at least ONE male feminist. Like bruh, Jubilee, being a female is not a requirement to be a feminist.
Lorena La Reyna obviously I understand that but it would’ve enriched the discussion, especially with the ignorance of the men on the other side. Like they clearly think that feminism is a movement of only women, and that men have no place in that movement. A guy could’ve provided a unique perspective on why “men’s rights activists” are fucking idiots.
Lorena La Reyna that’s why I said at least one, bc obviously women need to be on the feminist side, but to the mra dudes, a feminist man would’ve been mind blowing.
Eric Hawkins maybe by the incel, but i don’t think by the other two. But tbh nobody was gonna get through to the incel anyway. Not saying that there would be a breakthrough with the other two, but some of their time wasting talking points about how feminists don’t care about men probably could’ve been avoided.
unfortunately many feminists really do believe men cant be feminists, just look at radfems, they well and truely believe feminism is about female empowerment and not gender equality.
As a feminist, I fully support men seeking justice and speaking out for domestic abuse and sexual assault. I do not however support men treating me like livestock and wanting to keep me corralled or some shit
I find it ridiculous how many people can't step outside of themselves to understand another human's experience. I wonder why all these MEN are advocating against women's rights? Could it be because they... aren't women? You see this with white people too. (I saw this as a white male myself)
@@staticwild8513 wrong they arent advocating against it they are just also fighting for their equality. Men and women have disadvantages and advantages in society and they are fighting for the areas they have disadvantages
Men's rights are only brought up to counter women's rights. I've legitimately never seen anyone bring up men's rights when there isn't a feminist/anything to do with women's rights.
@Nonon In classroom discussion, when speaking generally about the different stigmas that affect both men and women. Comparing, contrasting, and how they differ. Online, there are a lot of people who discuss men issues not as a counter to women's but generally addressing an issue or experiences that's happened to them. Even many women on those videos have been supportive. It's not always a counter to speak about men's issues. Counters often occur when someone else tries to deny or gaslight the different hardships men go through.
I'm 5'7", overweight, can't grow a decent beard, and I work minimum wage, and I still have a girlfriend. My existence is proof that being an incel is down to choice.
Guys think women care about height and appearance way more than they actually do. Its not hard to be tall to a woman as a male lmao these incels chose to be.
As a very tall woman (6'3"), who was widowed by a 5'8" man, and am now partnered with a pudgie but adorable 5'9" man, all we really care about is that a man be caring and respectful, and engage us intellectually and emotionally. Height and a chiseled jaw just don't factor in for most women.
I didn't choose this fucking bullshit man you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. There's a very real chance you're an outgoing charismatic person. Not everyone is like that.
"children and men arent equal either" well yeah??? obviously?? because children ?? are still developing their own personality and everything??? what is he trying to prove with that??
bruh when he said it's easier for women to find a relationship with a man than vise versa ....like... every woman who finds a man is with a man who finds a woman.
@Adolf Hitler but that's not true at all. he needs to present evidence to state that as a fact. also your username isn't cool. Not funny at all. Change it.
@Adolf Hitler Ok so i don't need data to prove that comically naming yourself adolf hitler, the man partially responsible for the death and suffering of millions is funny. Two, I didn't say everything had to have data behind it, I said you can't have a factual claim like 'it's harder for men to meet women than vise versa when nothing says thats true. I don't have to dislike both sides. feminism is a valid movement .mens rights is not.
@Adolf Hitler I didn't say men's rights isn't valid, i said the movement is. And women actually don't have the same rights as men. have you ever considered that you don't know everything?
@Qui ingreditur viam prudentiae i cant say for SJW but I can tell you I know plenty of feminists who have had sexual relationships including my fucking birth mother. But I can't talk for SJWs.
toxic masculinity is literally the reason for the issues that MRAs complain about: custody, having their mental health ignored, not being as recognized as victims of SA, etc. these are all SYMPTOMS of toxic masculinity, which harms men as much as it harms other genders. toxic masculinity can also be the idea of domineering and entitled men, which directly hurt women, and reflect back to hurt the men doing it too. it’s a vicious cycle.
Here’s a hot take: when you are in a debate with somebody, you cannot claim their statement is false just because YOU haven’t experienced or witnessed it yourself.
@@bernadetterogers4006 Someone removed my comment apparently so I’ll try this again. Describing your personal experiences in a debate is not going to be a very effective point, so mentioning them alone is pointless. For example, as much as I would want to, I wouldn’t mention my personal experiences of me and my family when my country was bombed by Bil* Cl*nton and many others before him in order to prove whatever point I’m making. No matter how tragic or serious a topic would be in a debate, mentioning personal experiences is useless.
Short dudes are literally the best and incels are like “women don’t like me cause I’m short😡”. No they don’t like you cause you won’t shut up about women not liking you.
@@Meurth No. It just means that the female psychology is such that women tend to express traits that are more effective in raising children. Now- that is NOT saying that men cannot raise children either, but that women are just typically better at it. If you look at Elementary School or Daycares (for example) you will find that most of the people that work there are women, and that is not just coincidence.
@@aliikram8252 that is the patriarchy imprinting gender roles on our society, my dude. There is no 'psychological' or 'biological' reason for women to move towards professions where they are caring or nurturing other people. There IS an upbringing where we support women from a young age to develop these skills, while we tell boys not to present such behaviour. A man working at a daycare is still considered 'weak' by most people (because of the patriarchy), even untrustworthy as a caretaker, including by the parents whose kids he would take care off. Similarly how a woman as a CEO of a big company is automatically assumed to be bad for that position. There is just biases from the gender roles we enforce through the patriarchy.
A lot of self identifying incels probably have very limited exposure to the world outside their doors. I mean that in the literal sense. I fully expect most of their views are shaped by the internet and that they rarely get out of the house.
The thing with “men’s rights” is that all these issues are solved through intersectional feminism. Higher suicide rates, custody, rape, etc are all an issue because of gender roles that feminists want to abolish. Why don’t men get custody? Cause women are seen as mothers and housewives and men as workers. Suicide and depression? Cause men are seen as tough and women sensitive. Two sides of the same coin. You cannot advocate for men’s rights and not be a 100%, full blown feminist
sorry the incel above me, you're completely correct. radical feminists fight for superiority and feminists fight for equality. everyone often gets them confused, thank you for getting it right.
@@scamysamy8055 Lol. You claim to fighting for equality, yet you just ran to a traditional shaming tactic (incel) used against men in order to dismiss my opinions. That sums up feminism in a nutshell. lol
Intersectional feminists for the most part still see men as oppressors. Why would they call themselves "feminists" in the first place? Even focusing on "patriarchy" as the enemy is telling: why are "fathers" the enemy? If feminists were serious about wanting equality they should just call themselves gender equality advocates and then we could all work together. The idea that feminism encompasses gender equality is a scam
@@scamysamy8055 no feminists fight for the supremacy of women over men. It's just that they lie and say they are for equality. If they were truly for equality they would not call themselves feminists, which immediately puts all the attention on women. You are falling for their scam
@@x-man9473 that is exactly right. If men have problems they are shamed for them. If women have problems then it's the fault of men oppressing them. This is what every feminist argument I ever heard boils down to.
these dudes: women are biologically more inclined to be nurturing and to want to take care of children also these dudes: wHy dO WomEN AlwAyS GeT tHe KiDS iN CUsToDy BaTtLeS
@@hollowlord8548 easy, the society idea that women are naturally nurturing and child caring contributes to the unfair justice in custody battles. A problem that entwines the two genders. So in order to help get rid of that problem, we need to change prejudiced ideas like I said earlier in order to have both sides be treated equally.
The people that are saying anything against this comment are dumb. The problem isn’t the second statement, the capacity of taking care of a kid does not correlate with gender. That’s the problem, their hypocrisy. They think women= baby maker and raiser, but fight about women winning custody. That doesn’t make sense stop saying women’s sole purpose is to have babies and raise them when clearly 1. There are women who shouldn’t have been able to have kids, and 2. There are men who are clearly more fit and loving that deserve custody of their children...
I find it HILARIOUS that the guy who claimed to know a lot of about genetics and science but doesn't realise that emotions are chemical! That's literally how the body deals with trauma. And the way he sees his mother as less is disturbing. None of these men they chose actually knew anything about men's rights or needs..🤯
That’s a good point. Single moms are society’s biggest scape goats. He probably doesn’t put any blame on his poor upbringing on his dad not being there, but rather she didn’t pull herself up by her bootstraps harder
@@kijanajenkins2546 I cant hear a thing in the entire video. I've tried on like 3 separate devices. Also editions 1 hour video down to what 14 minutes isnt lying. It's only showing the most import viewpoints from the people asked to speak. Besides RU-vid really doesnt like really long videos.
He watched that scene in When Harry Met Sally where Billy Crystal says men and women can’t be friends and decided to live his life by that code. From an 80s romcom
I wanted to do Girl Scouts so badly as a kid cause I imagined hiking, setting camp, making fire, nature, and etc. Then I found out out Girls Scouts is bracelet making, baking, cooking, and basically not letting them rough it out. Really disappointed me
Luna M parents aren’t generally concerned when their son scrapes their knee rough housing. For their daughter they don’t want to be stressed out from the thought of them participating in strenuous activities.
Annie Westerlund Same In my school we didn’t have boys and girls scouts differently but one scouts club for both collectively. We hiked and ran around together. Good days
Over here in England it's kinda weird as we have girl scouts which is boring as hell. But theres also normal scouts that both genders can join. But boys cant join girl scouts?
@@PvMstevo It's just such a bunk field of science adjacent to phrenology that all of these alt-right weirdos love to cite. So even if he did actually study it, it's still dumb & cringeworthy.
It is so frustrating, as a debater, that I cannot provide rebuttals for every single illogical argument the men provided. I’m trying so hard to listen to their perspective, but every point that they raise can easily be debunked by facts and figures.
Like how in the is not showing emotional is toxic do want me to cry over a small things like getting a small burn and start crying or getting rejected and start crying like what
So men only having 1 shelter in the WHOLE COUNTRY is okay? Men having shorter lifes is okay? So men being laugh at and told you cant be raped or abused by women by women is okay? Men having a higher suicide rate is okay? Please, debunked these with facts. I could go on how men make up most work place deaths or the homeless problem or the prison problem but hey, it's men and we have no problems rights?
@@dafr9344 men's suicide rate is tackled in the discussion of toxic masculinity/femininity of feminism. sexual assault for ALL genders is tackled in the discussion of intersectional/progressive feminism which believes SA should be condemned for ALL genders (for intersectional feminism expands beyond gender binaries and recognize the risk of SA for non-binary, genderfluid, etc. folks as well). the men's rights movement, on the other hand, is not based on any principle. it is purely sporadic and reactionary; egalitarianism is feminism's baseline, what is the "men's right" movement's? you can't really say it's equality since that is what intersectional feminism is, and if you were to pull the "some feminists hate men" then that's just anti-misandry, something intersectional feminism supports (that's why we are against white feminism which tends to discard accountability of women) just like we are anti-misogyny and anti-patriarchy.
men's rights activists: women are born to be better at child care also men's rights activists: why do women almost always get custody of children? y'all need HELP help
@@yourfavoritedrawer7680 How? the girl on the feminist side Bea agreed that women getting better treatment in divorce court is an issue she agreed that it should change maybe I am misunderstanding you
@@ushna4034 Because its a point in the feminist narrative, so if she says she doesnt agree thats really fair of her but it doesnt change the fact that its still part of the feminist narative.
I was in an abusive relationship for two years with someone who shared ALL of the points from the MRAs in this video. He showed me his emotions, but he used me to unload all of his trauma instead of seeing a professional or just helping himself in general. He also hurt me when he was angry so like :/ it feels like these men want therapists that they can fuck and dote on them.
"For a lot of guys finding a girl at all is hard" Lol it's hard for you dude. Plenty of guys who look exactly like these incel guys slay. How do they never get that it's their personality that's wholly unappealing?
Male sexlessness exists. It is a problem that many people have to face, and it is heavily associated with severe mental issues. We do the nice men who just had bad luck with their genes a disservice if we make sexlessness a "problem of unappealing personality" alone. Also, like, some people are just awkward and have difficulty with social situations and especially firting. Lets maybe not shame them for that? And what about disabled people? Being in a wheelchair makes dating SUPER hard
@@brisca1668 uhhh plenty of disabled and autistic men have partners. If you're actively hostile to women and literally believe they are inferior don't expect to get puss? Its very simple, they're not awkward guys, they're vile losers who ooze an icky personality defect that dries ladies up. Women aren't interested and that's our problem? If you can't fuck that's 100% on you. Because somehow other people in your same situation do just fine. Instead of researching gender biology and wishing you had the jaw of a chad, maybe work on your personality disorder?
True. But you know, I've gotten to a point where I'm really leary around men now. Like just hearing you say "slay" and the stuff men say... it kinda makes me feel like maybe it's safer to avoid men. That sounds bad but it's like feeling like there are vultures stalking you or something. Lol, just may don't say "slay".
@@onalos1271 yeah I have a vagina friend. But I'm also a millennial so I use slay puss and copulate interchangeably. You're probably not a boomer but you've just earned an "ok boomer" from me! They literally are out her murdering people because they're fucking crazy and you do the same bullshit from the video where you're worried about terminology. These MRA traffic with nazis and represent an ever growing part of western politics. And you're scared of all men because they say things that it's very normal for a young person who likes sex to say? Ok Stacey, thanks for your white feminism, sorry Hillary isn't running again babe.
Imagine seriously thinking it's okay to compare a child, whom has yet to fully develop (personality starts forming around the ages of 7-9, physiological growth stops at about 21 years old) and can not care for themselves, to a fully functional woman. And even worse, to justify inequality by pulling the "oh no, It's just that I love women and children too much, and as a male I know what's best". In moments like these I wonder if people hear themselves when they talk.
@@aley6587 assumptions based on his actions or actions of other people who say the same things he says? Those are two very different things. Please no hate, depending on who you mean by “he” i might agree with you.
If men have issues then they should 100% talk about them and spread awareness but don't expect others to support you if the only time you care about men's rights is when women talk about theirs!
So true, they’ll be like women don’t see our problems but the thing is they only talk about their problems when women are talking about theirs. Instead they should create awareness just like women do and realise that most of their problems also stem from patriarchy and that’s what feminists are fighting against.
they say that men are supposed to suppress their feelings, but complain about suicide rates a few moments later. they also mentioned how women are more fit to raise children, but complain that men lose custody battles disproportionately. these conflicting statements show that their arguments aren't based on a consistent ideology, but rather on a reactionary 'i'm against everything feminist say' one
Men also get 50/50 custody in the vast majority of child custody cases. Most women have full custody only when men don’t seek out custody. Most men choose to not go to court. When men go to court they get custody of their children. It’s just a lie to make women look privileged
what nobody seems to understand is that there’s a difference between true feminism and the radical feminism that the media seems to focus on. not every feminist is misandrist.
some people don't understand that it's not just feminists who are misandrist. i've met plenty of women who were straight up man haters who also straight up hate feminists. to a lot of men any female who doesn't precisely conform to their ideal of femininity is a man-hater. exp: as a child - just for not wearing cute bows & dresses - i got called ball crusher & man hater by grown ass men around me w/o even knowing what they were talking about. i just wanted to wear my combat boots & my natural hair in braids :/
@Cave Dwellever lol u talking about jennifer's solution? also i agree obv but it's not even about them possibly killing you? that's an exception. some people just might not want to commit to spend 18 years of their lives looking after a kid and that's okay. not like we need more children in the world.
I will say this about sexist/rape jokes: they can be, and often are, harmful. my dad made a lot of sexist jokes at the dinner table, which made my little brother think that it was okay. he didn't know they were jokes. His teacher called my mom once saying that he had repeated something my dad said, which was "girls are supposed to work for boys" and it upset some of the girls in his class. he was in second grade. when you make sexist jokes, especially around children, they do make an impact. me and my sister had to talk to my 8 y/o brother and tell him the jokes my dad was making weren't funny and weren't okay. dark humor can be funny, but our trauma is ours to joke about.
@Ult_R4nger 94 I'm not going to get in an argument with you because I have shit to do, so I'll keep it short. As long as you aren't normalizing rape, abuse, or sexism I don't. you can make tasteful dark jokes, I do it all the time. I was just saying that making those jokes around kids isn't a good idea because they don't know they're jokes and grow up to believe that.
I'm sorry but the quote: "Dude, you would literally die if it wasn't for your Mommy feeding you chicken tendies for all the Good Boy points you've secured." I can't BREATHE.
The George Floyd thing isn’t valid for people who ARENT mocking his death. It’s a saying, she can’t breath because she’s laughing so hard that’s the joke and that should be all and not be interpreted too deep. So I don’t think they are being inappropriate towards his unjust death. Its just pushing the narrative too far
This old gentleman I took care of in his retirement years was a front liner, but before the war he was a midwife nurse and he delivered 2 babies during the war. Men can get jobs like this, it's creeps who can't 😅
I am a nurse. During my O.B. rotation I spent the entire time hanging out with the instructor running errands for the female nursing student who had patients. It has nothing to do with being a creep amd everything to do with women just not wanting a male nurse
I personally enjoy seeing male nurses. Since many of them are often times veterans who became nurses, or they're ex-firemen. Or something completely unrelated. Like art majors, who also wanted to save people's lives It's just creeps that are the problem, and even female nurses can be creepy AF
Payton Smith I think some men can’t get those jobs cause people assume their creeps. Like if an old creepy looking man is a teacher, they might think he’s a pedo, but he can be really nice.
It's hard to find a future with a women. Why do think the rate that people hook up has increased and the rate of couples having children, the divorce rate has increase, and getting married has decreased. Modern feminism is killing the dating scene. The amount of older women I've heard say how young women today have standards through the roof is insane.
@@youlean Well why else would these stats exist? I'm not comparing apples to oranges. It's just a fact. Why do think new groups like Men Go Their Own Way are getting more popular.
@@GreenWolf2k No you're not comparing apples to oranges which is why those stats can't be explained by one simple variable. They have been influenced by societal changes, the legalisation and destigmatization of divorce as well as marriage's prominence in society decreasing, to name a few...
@@youlean Yes because the dating scene and how women have changed due to the feminist movement and why organizations like MGTOW have blown up. Couples aren't getting married or of they do they most likely will end up getting divorced.
Yeah, as a STEM-lord who has *actually* studied evolutionary biology as part of my career, there are differences, but the modern society equalizes many of these differences. You don't exactly need strength in most workplaces nowadays, and men are capable of caring careers such as nursing
I'd encourage more people to look into Black feminism or womanism and indigenous feminism. Totally changes the game. Intersectional feminism is a good cousin.
What I hate about these videos is that they always present it like "can these two equally valid ideologies come together and find middle ground?" as if one side isn't just wrong
While feminists side had mostly people thinking same way, the man's rights had people who were thinking differently about things. You had incel/loser, someone who wants to maintain gender roles and that quiet guy. You would need to look at every dude alone.
i physically CONVULSED when he said "i've studied evolutionary biology, qutie a bit." like oh my god the way he said "quite a bit" made me physically unwell
Men rights activist: Blah, blah, gender roles. Women care for child I go work. Justice system: Okay, if woman care for child, we give child to woman Men rights activist: Aw, not like thaaaat...
THANK YOU that’s what I’ve been trying to say this whole time. The same people that want traditional relationships are the same people that complain about women winning almost all custody cases. You can’t have both and when you strip back their hypocrisy you end up with feminism anyway
So that one guy wants gender roles strictly enforced and thinks that’s how the world should be but also was complaining about gender bias in family courts? He straight up said when it comes to childcare a women is more productive and nurturing. So the only time he is against gender roles is when it doesn’t benefit a man?
Lennon Rush we know lol but the phrasing of it is so perfectly incel-like. No normal person refers to children as offspring unless it’s in a joking manner.
@@lennonrush7705 bro how stupid do you think I am lol. I know where babies come from, but implying the only reason you should even consider someones pov is bc you "need them for offspring" is fucking absurd.
Let me tell you. As a man, going to therapy was the BEST decision I've ever made. Definitely helps break down some walls that we've had built for us since we were little.
it's crazy how a lot of the inequalities that the men's rights activists talk about can be led back to toxic masculinity. which isn't on the fault of men but the standards that the society we live in sets for them.
exactly, and that is why I always get upset whenever someone brushes these topics off like it isn't an issue. I get it that women have certain issues that need to be dealt with but it blows my mind when feminists, in particular, talk down on to the MRA movement. They are trying to accomplish things that would be also beneficial for your movement for Christ's sake! ( let's also not pretend like some mra do the same to women though)
Bruno Ss. No, first of all MRA was created as a response to feminism. It’s not beneficial if it’s like “all lives matter” which is okay by itself but was born out of a will to silence black people. It is a threat to us woman so that’s why we don’t support it.
@@karlaruiz8685 well, by that logic feminism is about women and a way to suppress men. And if that is how people see it then it is no wonder that some people don't support feminism just like some people don't support the mra. They view it has people that literally suppres the other half of the world. Yes, some people within both movements act like that, but there are also people within both movements that bring real issues into the table and suppressing either won't help anyone.
Bruno Ss. No, feminism was created to include women to men exclusive spaces. “Women can now vote” “Women can now work outside their gardens” there’s no negative history surrounding the cause for with feminism was created wherever you look.
@@karlaruiz8685 Where in my comment does it say that there is a negative history surrounding the creation of feminism. I'll wait. Besides, that wasn't a very smooth transition from one topic to the other. I am talking about how people perceive feminism and MRA and how both movements have merits to them but also their own extremists, and you are talking about there not being any negative history associated with feminism.
Kevin Koch No. In the nature of animals their main point is procreation. We are animals but have evolved to have a conscience and to think beyond this.
The fact that they put that "incel" dude is just disrespectful towards those 3 woman. Like what did Jubelee expect he would bring to the converstation?
Guys “Locker room jokes” about women, men, lgbtqi NEVER end up staying jokes it gets perpetuated into action when they leave that lockerroom and are in social situations Iv seen this happen soo many times
Sevyn Tennyson - for some reason I remember this one time I was visiting my friends mother in the hospital and I was talking to one of the male nurses about travel & I mentioned how I knew people who have joined the military for travel and he proceeded to tell me how he was in the navy and he got to see many parts of the world, so in response I said something along the lines of “oh I should do that haha!!” And he gave me and my friends the most blank stare and was like “you should not be in the navy because you are women.” WE WERE SO CONFUSED and he just explained that the men had who he was in the navy with always had private group conversations (locker room jokes and such) about the women they had raped and how they abused women, made fun of women and it made me very sad.
@@sevyntennyson4181 I might be wrong here, but I think what she was saying is that the guy was telling them not to go because they would almost certainly be severely mistreated by the majority of men there- in which case he is attempting to look out for them in a world where women's rights still have a long ways to go.
Clewl Tetsui huh? Are you kidding me? Hes just as bad as his friends if he hasnt reported RAPE to his superiors just because he tried warning her away from the Navy doesnt mean that other women (who he hasnt met) are going to be safe
Well yeah because feminism has always been about equality. Men right activists on the other hand, are about surpressing women and lifting up the man instead.
The point about not joking about minorities is actually a really valid and important one and im a little disappointed that it got swept under the rug this hard. It is a very common strategy to use demeaning humor/jokes to solidify someones perceived superiority in day to day life and establish a "pecking order" while somewhat justifying and validating these radical believes. Additionally theres a corrolation between "minority based" jokes and increased violence. By accepting someones identity as a punchline (something to be laughed at or worthy of demeaning) you lower your overall inhabition towards that group. If its okay to make fun of mexicans it also becomes more okay to be hostile towards mexicans. The worst part about it is that you arent really allowed to call these things out because the prevailing opinion in society seems to be "its just a joke" "freedom of speech" "triggered" and allows them to not consider the repercussions of their actions. Coincidentally you will rarely see white people making fun of other white people, specially the stand up comics who complain about politic correctness are only punichng down, because its not about freedom of speech but about self preservation of superiority through the belittlement of others
@@yeehaw1181 He didn't. He asked "How and where." He was trying to understand but when she said what she said she ended it off by basically saying "It's messed up that your trying to invalidate my experiences" and he replied "At no point did I try to invalidate you experiences. I asked how and why because I'm trying to understand." And in general her personal experiences are not the norm. We argue using stats because they include as many people as possible. If we bring personal experiences into an argument it just turns into an "I experienced this so it must be commonplace and if you tell me it's not your saying what I experienced didn't happen and that's messed up " type of argument which doesn't fix anything.
@@Shola-tg6lv her personal experiences are extremely normal. Nearly every woman that has been approached by men has experienced them reacting very badly. Anywhere from insulting them to yelling and physically attacking and sexually assaulting them later on so...... maybe no
These men: blah blah gender roles are biological women are better suited to become mothers Justice system: OK so the mother can win custody These men: No! Not like that!
That's like the fundamental flaw with men's rights advocacy that Hasan kind of points out. These men's rights activists are just hurting men by attempting to reinforce those gender roles that cause then to repress emotion or express only anger. They retroactively give credence to the claim that women should win custody battles because they're always going on about how women are "better caretakers." MRA are almost never the people who would benefit from the society they want and that's honestly just sad for them. They're so misguided and in some cases actively malicious.
i respect hasan for absolutely hating derek. theres nothing wrong with championing equality from both sides but there are far better, more productive ways to go about it rather than saying “ok women but what about”
so true, one of my classmates is short, a little fat, not well groomed and autistic and he has a pretty nice gf. Hes just a really nice guy and surprisingly social
I feel this. My dad is around 5 foot and has 4 children with three different women. Height doesn't have anything to do with it. My mom was actually taller than him by like 4 inches.
I feel that. Literally back when I was a chick I can guarantee I preferred short people, especially short guys. I still do but I don't count as a straight man's lay anymore
This men activist thing is literally damaging not only for women, but also men... for our society in general. Why do we want these kinds of restrictions on men and women and how they act? Why aren’t they advocating some serious issues that men face: 1-sucide rates 2- not given enough attention in the mental health part (anorexia and eating disorders - depression- ptsd and many others)
Angel Above not the media because most of the media is feminist. The activist talk about men’s suicide and men’s problems. I haven’t seen a single feminist talk about men’s rights and how unfairly we are treated in the justice system a etc.
I find it so frustrating when men complain about the institutional discrimination that they perceive to experience, even though it was men who set up those same systems! Then deny that women experience institutional injustices caused by the same .... Make it make sense!
I think it's so annoying that the "Men's Rights" group has nothing to do with men's rights, and has everything to do with putting women down.... like pick a different name for yourselves, and i don't think mens "rights" are a concern, but there are Men's issues- like not being able to express emotions, toxic masculinity, etc.... like he said at the beginning of video with the radfems, these kinds of guys are pushing men further and further back from being able to talk about our critical issues that we need to work on to better society... not benefit
İ will disagree with the "mens rights arent a concern" part because there are lots of parts in our society that men arent treated like normal human beings.
The guys in this video are pitiful. Look I haven't had a girlfriend in 6 years, and I'm not dying as a result. I'm not going insane, or trying hard to get a woman. She wants me, she'll find me.
True. I have a friend who’s a guy who’s been single for 10 years. He’s normal and not crazy. And actually kind. And I’m a woman who’s been single most of my life but I’m not crazy either. 🤣
I too studied the Evolution of human Biology, and I realized just how alike we are. Humans just want to be accepted and feel a part of something. Bodily differences mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
@@fatimahanwaar306 Anti-male sexism disproportionately affects queer/LGBT+ men. Dismissing or trying to justify it is a conservative mentality that really needs to die off.
I took my shot with 12 different women over the span of a couple years after my last breakup. Fired blanks on all of them lol but I'm not going to sit here and blame them. They just weren't interested in me and that's fine. Its okay to be rejected because it wouldn't have worked out anyway if they had felt pressured to say yes. Nowadays I just do other stuff to occupy my time. I've picked up new hobbies, found different avenues to bring happiness into my life. It would be nice to have that affection but I can't keep myself in that mindset that I NEED that affection because its unhealthy and only brings on more stress and depression. Basically, sort yourself out first. Then you'll be ready for a meaningful relationship.
I think blaming ANYTHING for your own downfalls is such a stupid and dangerous thing. I don’t have a huge sex drive so I only tried something serious with one girl recently and she got scared off bc im not mentally that healthy and she thought I do too much alcohol and weed but it’s not like I fucking blame her or WOMEN as a whole.
this is so wholesome, you deserve someone and i hope that someone comes to you but uf it never happens then just know that some of us are meant to be alone and that’s ok
Dude, this incel continues to bring up relationships and I like how he, at one point, says that woman have an easier time in the workplace and also in finding relationships. The only reason why he brought up relationships is because he can't get into one and he's projecting. Like, you could be dating someone right now, a beautiful woman, if you just had better views on women in general you might not be involuntarily celibate and actually be satisfied in life. You might even have a better opinion of women if you just started treating them better, because they would treat you better in turn. 🙄
Advocates for the idea that women are more nurturing and more capable of rearing children than men, then complains that men get discriminated against in child custody battles...Ya'll literally create your own problems...
@@kirinnaicker8871 kids need love from a guardian not necessarely from the whole heteronormative bullshit. Single parents can do as much loving as two parents.
@@julessdadsgone no they can’t one parent can only give ones person amount of love it is what it is sorry to burst you’re bubble a mom is not a dad and a dad is not a mom boys need a positive male role model as much as you hate to hear that they are much worse off is they only have a mom
@@kirinnaicker8871 you didn't burst any bubble 🧼. A lot of people have 1 parent and are just fine. Or have 2 dads or 2 moms, or 1 dad and a mom. It doesn't mean anything at all, you can give every bit of yourself to your children if you really love them. But I don't you'll change your outdated opinion. Good night
@@kirinnaicker8871 a positive male role model doesn’t have to be a dad. You don’t need one mom and one dad in your life. You can have 2 moms or 2 dads or get raised by someone else. You can have a single parent and turn out just fine (unless we’re talking about Dereck here). For a boy who’s growing up, they don’t need to have a father. Even a teacher or uncle or friend can be a positive male influence.
@@dqarqeer8603 The other guys were somewhat level headed actual MRA’s. But the yellow shirt guy was legit just an incel on the internet who just made dumb points that made the men look bad.
I know for a fact almost every woman has a story of some type of harrassment from a male. I've asked all my female friend and we could all think of at least one each. It is definitely a problem
Exactly. I'm actually AMAB, but I look pretty feminine and I have long hair so people often mistake me for a girl (i identify as non-binary btw) I myself have had some situations where I've been catcalled or men have looked at me in a weird way, so I can't even imagine what yall are going through everyday It's infuriating 😤
But why are we still gendering these types of things when they happen to everyone one. This is why men don't wanna listen to you when you talk about your problems, because you can barely acknowledge theirs exist. I know tons of men who have been harassed and I've been harassed by women and all of the above. Why are still talking about gender?!?!
While in reality women are, we're all women inside the womb. That's why guys have nipples even though they don't have use for it, they were created before their sex :)
@@Valentina-ly6bu no it happens naturally but the thing is that you need to "stimulate" male tits for dome time to do this. Also females produce much more milk.
@@veqzor most homeless people don't "deserve it". They've either just had some bad luck or made some bad decisions. Doesn't make them bad people who deserve to suffer
the guy who said that men can’t be midwives doesn’t understand that that’s something that came to be as a result of patriarchy. that’s why when h think of a teacher u think of a woman but when u think of a professor u think of a man or when u think of a nurse it’s a woman but a doctor a man. these guys are literally just saying random shit without even thinking about it smh.
That's not patriarchy, that is evolutionary science. Usually females look after the children, while the males provide and protect. It's almost like in every single culture with some exceptional forms of matriarchy. But women have always looked after the offspring and they are biologically prepared for such tasks. No such thing as patriarchy. Men have historically suffered and been oppressed much more than women. In fact, most of the ones who died fighting against absolutism, slavery and totalitarianism were men and continue being men. You would have no rights if men hadn't fought for your rights in the first place.
"why don't girls like short guys?" first guy i ever liked was shorter than me; i liked him bc he wasn't a jerk and treated me and everyone else i knew with respect and was genuinely a nice person who wasn't looking for anything in return.
Exactly, my bf is 5'6 and im around 5'11. Usually when short guys cant get a date it's bc their entire personality revolves around them being a short guy who can't get a date lol
to the guy who said that "not being equal" doesn't necessarily mean that one is "inferior" and "superior".... do u know what the word equal/inequal means??? have you ever read a dictionary??
Im not the same as you nor are my opportunities the same. We dont speak the same and our views are probably different. Means we arent equal people by definition. Also by definition that doesnt make you inferior or superior to me. That statement wasnt inherently wrong.
Imagine disagreeing with the "men and women are different and equal" and then arguing that one is not inferior to the other but that men but are "born" different and have different advantages/sets of skills.
Rape and suicide don't really fall under "rights" issues, rather cultural issues. I think that MRA people need to understand how modern masculinity contributes to those things, not femininity.
Rape is not a cultural issue, 99% of men in the US would agree that it is fucking disgusting. Just because men are attracted to women and talk about them in sexual ways, aka locker room talk, which actually barely ever happens, it doesn't mean they are talking about rape, actually almost all of the time they are not talking about raping people or illegal things more like things that if other people heard they would be very offended. I can see how the suicide thing is somewhat within the culture with how many people treat men differently if they are emotional. You see a lot of women that say they wish guys would,"open up more." Yet the second they do that the women drop them and think that they are weak or a baby.
@@XENOX-777 okay so the rape thing, there's actual statistics that show that, the majority of sexual abusers are men and the majority of victims are women (primarily underaged) and in cases of men being abused, they are more often being abused by other men (i'll search the link when i finish writing this and also that statement that we see men as weak once they open up is not true, i don't know if you've ever had a gf or a woman who's your friend but we really don't think like that, and i talk from experience
@@markly5460 "A majority of sex abusers are men and the majority of victims are women." Yeah, that's like common sense in terms of overall amount of sex offenders, what about it? Men have different brains, bodies, and different hormones pumping through them that can make any bad person become a sex offender. Men being the ones primarily committing sexual offenses shouldn't be a needed statistic when they are physically stronger than women and have the hormones to push them into doing more reckless things, it would not make sense for women to even be close. It's not like there are billions of more women than men. If you do not get what I am saying it is simply,"OBVIOUSLY!" Your entire first paragraph doesn't speak a single thing about rape culture and it is practically useless. Rape culture does not exist. Tell me who is saying rape is okay? Many men speak from having it happen to them. The idea that there are many women who would leave a man who is more open did not just come out of thin air. You do not speak for all women. You cannot say,"WE really don't think like that."
Actually I agree with him when he says "I couldve used my mom telling me how to act like a man." Actually yes. He is very disrespectful, and an example of a respectful man could have led him to not become an incel. But this just goes back to the point that most of the mens activists just have personal psychological issues they need to work through.
So true like he was raised by a single mother- which means she definitely had to take up traditionally male roles- and he still shits about how women not be allowed in traditionally male dominated fields.
I had a male midwife nurse at the birth of my first daughter... The reason there aren't more is because it's seen as a 'weak womans job'... He was amazing at it by the way! :D
No the reason there aren’t more male nurses is because men just don’t pursue that career. The exact same reason why 99% of bricklayers are men. Most women don’t pursue it.
