Have We Mis-Defined Racism? Orlando Jones & Karen Hunter Debate 

Orlando Jones, thank you for this amazing eye opening conversation with Karen Hunter. So glad to hear this much needed discussion.

I can not believe how deep you 2 beautiful black people took this conversation….

Orlando is in here spitting flames! 🔥

Thank you Karen! For saying what needed to be said. Getting with a white women and telling her to be like Mrs. King is like getting a cat and telling it to bark.

Mature, Wise, Enlightening conversation. Karen you are a masterful teacher and dialogue well. I gained lots from this conversation with Orlando. I respect both of you even more. Thanks!

Wow..., is all I can say. I kept going back and listening to segments of this interview because so much of it resonated with how humanity should be our default. The lies that we are told and are conditioned to repeat to our own soul...., it horrible. Mr. Jones and Dr. Hunter showed us how to have a time brings a change conversation. Most times, change is good. This is church for me, (The Karen Hunter Show) This is where I come when I need my spiritual awakening...., and I'm never disappointed. 😊

I am so proud of this beautiful brother. Thank you Karen Hunter for bringing on Orlando Jones

I love that he can be honest about past decisions that went left.

Orlando has earned a lot of respect for acting skills but more for accepting his blackness and embracing it. Great interview. He has been under appreciated as an actor, he’s on a level as some of these UK black actors that the industry loves right now

Karen, you and Orlando spoke about your viewpoints that has open my ears and eyes. This conversation will be on repeat for me for a long while. Orlando, thank you for sharing your personal stories with us. We all learned from this.💖💕👍💐😊

Have always loved Orlando Jones! Thank you Dr.Hunter for this conversation

I need to see more of Mr. Jones. Dem were straight bars, especially those last two lines: "I'm not trying to make excuses for your ignorance that's not my job and I'm not trying to solve the problem for you."

Wonderful interview Karen, I met Orlando and his beautiful daughter at a basketball game in DC, we were all seated together in the box. Orlando is a wonderful dad and his daughter was very well mannered and a great conversationalist.

Bravo Karen and thank you Orlando Jones, for sharing your personal experience regarding racism. It was a very thought provoking and useful conversation. Orlando has certainly earned my respect, because he understands the dynamics and value of a black woman in a black man's life as a partner, especially when he's successful!😎

Professor Hunter thank you for this powerful problem. I have always loved Orlando Jones no matter his decision making. He is prolific and profound!!!❤

Such truthful wisdom--shared by a courageous Black Man! Thank you!

Thank you for this! Thank you, Karen, thank you Orlando. Thank you, Orlando for sharing your personal experiences with us, as some of us can relate wholeheartedly and personally with your experience and confirming that we're not the crazy ones, and not going through this alone. Love the content, Karen, please keep it coming!!!

I love his explanation of his experience with his former partner. As a black woman , who has seen so many BM with other races of women, I wonder if there’s some trauma there. I don’t doubt that there’s some internalized pain there. He is so right about Black people are the most brainwashed; we had to be because it was the only way we were going to survive. We are descendants of captive people who were broken in so many ways. Interracial relationships don’t bother me when I remember that. It bothers me when these very men hate and harm BW for not choosing them. Much love to you Orlando, may you find the love you deserve_ no matter her color

Loving what Orlando is saying! It is powerful to see yourself in positive black men and women. You love who you love!

Orlando, I appreciate your perspective! Based on your first hand experience it seems that you have had time to analyze what you have lived. The more we take the time to reflect and really get to the root of the problem the more informed we can be to confront and face racist situations that occur in our lives. ✊🏾

10:00 That's the most CLEAR & INSIGHTFUL explanation to racism I've ever heard from a Hollywood star.

I never knew Mr Orlando Jones was this deeply enlightened about such inflammatory and complex issue of race, culture and perception of American society. Most Hollywood actors will gloss over it & say "let move on" & "not get stuck on this issue"

This was by far one of the most notable conversations I have had the privilege of listening to. Wow! And Orlando putting himself in the hotseat. Real talk.

White privilege is the privilege of not having to know.

My grand daughter is racially mixed. Her other grandmother/grandfather is white. When I first met them months before the wedding, They never had a problem with their daughter marrying a black male. My husband was not feeling the idea. But I saw how close they were. Now 13, My grandaughter identifies as Black. She wears her hair very curly with all of the black beauty products. She doesn't really look white. She is golden, she does not like the word mixed. She says she is black.

MORE 💥 JUST LIKE THIS ONE Professor Hunter!!! Your guest LIVED & LEARNED & SHARE minus the 💩. Tooting my own 🎺here…when I attempt to bless 17, 18, 19 year olds I tell them how “stupid” my choices were. 1 young man pointed out to me that older folks were quick to advise or offer instructions but I was the 1st he heard who ITEMIZED my mistakes & let the young people say “that was stupid” & my comeback was always “now, I’ve been stupid for the both of us choose better.” & this was my choice because this young man was correct advise & instructions FLOW but the life lessons were not shared & I didn’t understand. But I LIVED & LEARNED & SHARED my life lessons praying to bless. You my sister are consistently AMAZING! Keep setting this ugly world on 🔥 with love, education & EXPECTATION FOR INDIVIDUAL & COMMUNITY GROWTH! 🤗

I love the conversation!!! I really don't see enough of Orlando.

Majority of immigrants who don’t necessarily look like their ethnicities always play the “game”. And they realize early on that the more European they look the more they can “pass” and change their names to “boot”. The funny thing is that Nikki Haley’s native country lives by the “Caste” system!

Wow, 🤯this is my first time hearing Orlando Jones 🗣️. He’s smart, well-read and makes very persuasive arguments about how race as a construct is applied and appropriated. He’s a real one. 🔥✊🏾

truth be told everything in this country is about race.

I don't remember Orlando ever speaking this way. Something lit him on fire. Thanks for the brilliant conversation.

I’m 61 years old and I didn’t know that some black women would not date a black man because she thought he’s too dark. That’s mind boggling!

I am so thankful we have Men like Orlando and Women like Karen to bless us all with this content. Make no mistake, we as a people still need this reinforcement yet we chase silly bitter comedians down a rabbit hole forgetting who we are and what is going on around us. Thank You Mrs Hunter and the King Orlando Jones. This is fantastic. I wish the breaking of the internet would be the result of content like this but painfully it is not. A man and his opinion of other men has captured out attention while Kings and Queens like this are left with fewer views than a gossip funny boy and who he hates. Note: All white people are racist simply due to their gain from a system our ancestors built. Think Deeply or dont think at all.

Every aspect of this interview was informative, enlightening, and entertaining. The nuances explained in every conversation come from great minds. In other words WOW!

this video should have 40,000,000 views just like that katt williams video. You have said nothing but the truth. you laid the outline to the game we are facing as blk ppl right now

Loved this segment...You and Orlando made some persuasive points.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Professor Hunter, thank you for sharing this segment of your show. Orlando Jones was my crush starting with the MAD TV days...I never knew his full perspective on dating/marriage.

I totally identify his daughter. That has been my experience of the white side of my family. I didn't even realize I was Black, I didn't realize the 'problem ' of my Blackness until I went to school, and the system in the NAPA VALLEY abruptly treated me as lesser at every turn😢

So spot on when Orlando said we have miss defined racism, I’ve tried to explain this and white Americans really think it’s lynching or using the n-word and that’s it or they say if you bring up issues regarding race “YOU ARE THE RACIST” 🤯🤯🤯😂😂😂

A MASTER CLASS!!! Dopeness! Great job Orlando!

Lovin' this interview. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.😊🙏🏾👍🏾

👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽 Orlando is so on point that it’s almost NEXT LEVEL TRUTH! That kinda truth ain’t easy for even other Black folks to lock into! Keep rising, my brotha!!

Love this conversation.

Dope conversation! Orlando is on point

I have always thought that Orlando was a beautiful black man. And he is very intelligent. Great conversation

Orlando is one of the most brilliant actors of our time! He commands attention when he is in the room! Love him

Before I even clicked to watch the video I looked to see who Orlando Jones is married. I am happy that I still watched, great discussion.

I've always loved the way Orlando Jones moved way back in his MadTV days.

The most edifying 20 minutes I can remember in an awfully long time. Maybe ever. Made me bounce around through the memories of much of my life seeing them a bit, or very, differently. People I thought I was a friend to, but maybe not so much; the African guy who 40 years ago tried to explain to me, with limited success, my "presumption"... Ugh. But thank you. Any time y'all want to chat in front of us, I'm there for it.

Orlando nailed it 😮

This is a conversation I will save.

Maybe you were trying to talk to the wrong black women. There definitely is a type for black men in sports and entertainment. There are many awesome amazing ambitious black women who are out there that I seriously doubt Orlando would’ve looked twice at.

That was such an excellent conversation. Thank you, Professor Hunter, thank you Orlando Jones.

I think Isabel Wilkerson's book Caste is making this argument. That we have cemented racism into a caste structure where Black people, particularly the most-melanated, are at the bottom.

Karen Hunter, you are incredibly brave and liberated! I celebrate you for being on the front lines of enlightenment. ❤

Love is not love. Most men period going to take the path of least resistance when choosing a woman. I hate that narrative that blk women did not want me when i was high school so i had no choice but to date out. Sir lets be honest, maybe blk women seen something that blk men in Hollywood dont want to disclose. Sir say the internalized self hate made you want to be with someone that was the complete opposite of you. Sir you not going to get this narrative off, that the blk woman did me wrong 1000 years ago and Becky was there with open arms. Time to be honest...

Mr Orlando with his character on American Gods appealed to more of our community than any character that Jonathan has played in my opinion! He simply made that character his own and it spoke to the black community because the anger that he was exhibiting on that show it resonated with a lot of people in our community!

This dialogue with Orlando Jones was incredible! I love him as an actor - he was fire on American Gods. Thank you Karen for having him and I am glad he shared his growth as a black man. Going back to Sirius to listen to the whole thing again. 😀

Orlando Jomes will forever be the embodiment of the Spider god Anasai, Mr Nancy, to me. Still hoping a black producer would create a series for him and this role.

This is a Wonderful conversation 🙏🏾👍🏾and We need to be able to have these conversations with Healthy Honesty more. Within our community and with other's.

my father was African and my mother was Caucasian. Born and raised only around white people in rural UK in the 60s. I did not even know what racism was until I was 16 and moved to London. Because I was a single black child I was no threat, in fact I was novel and grew up with good self esteem as children WANTED to be friends with the ‘different’ kid. However, I would contend that each and every one of us is racist. It is impossible for us not to be. Every day of our lives we are exposed to messages that white is better than non-white. I honestly believe that we cannot start to dismantle racism until each one of us looks at and accepts that we ALL view blackness negatively……because we have ALL been taught to. It is the filter through which we see the world. I have a lot more empathy for Caucasians when I remember they are suffering from the same lifelong conditioning that I am.

This is your best interview for 2024 so far in my opinion Thank you Ms. Hunter for bringing sensible conversation to social media on your platform. Orlando Jones is a great actor and it was good to hear about his personal experience and views of our current world

Everyone knows the Coretta Scott King reference was crazy! Lol.

Great conversation 👌 👏 👍

I'm totally loving this discussion great points on both sides ❤

This was a great conversation, and to hear Mr. Orlando experience, perspective, and truth #priceless. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Thank you!! I no longer want to be the bigger person any longer trying to explain racial politics to my (ex) male white SO. I have been looking for the exact words to properly capture the essence of what I have been feeling✌️

Great converstion. Keep on, Anansi.

Orlando is dropping gems in the first few minutes. 👏🏾👍🏾

I really respect his honesty and the depth of his experience. He is knowledgeable

Excellent break down Mr Jones! Great conversation !!

Thank you

I love Orlando Jones, this brother is wise!!!!!!

Orlando sounds like he knows the truth. 😊

My Baby...Orlando Jones. I've always loved his talent but fell in love with his dramatic abilities and to hear him speak so eloquently about us in 2024 is AMAZING!! Thank You Karen Hunter, Thank You Orlando Jones!!

A friend of mine recommended this clip to me. It was phenomenal. Subbed.

Great conversation

Fortunately, I learned the pitfalls, risks and complications of interracial dating when I was 17. After a very brief dating experience with a white girl in my mostly Black high school, one that she ended abruptly without explanation, no discussion. Orlando speaks nothing but truth. It’s not fair to paint ALL interracial relationships with the same brush, but most black people in them have to acquiescence their black experience for them to work. I’m not that one.

Man!! He broke this topic down !!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🫶🏽PREACE & Blessings 🫶🏽Namaste Karen 🫶🏽🌷🫶🏽

Started getting into Karen's show in the last few days. Considering some of the projects I've seen him in, I can say with my full chest that I did NOT expect Orlando to be on this show....and I'm here for it. 😁

This was an awesome interview😏

Love this guy!!!

Truth to Power 🥂 blessings to the family this weekend safe travels loved ones🫶

That was a great interview

I’ve always liked Orlando he could be the father to Tyler from Everybody Hates Chris.

This needs to be played on every platform!!!!

I wish this was a longer conversation! I have always loved me some Orlando, especially after American Gods.❤️✊🏾

more interviews with Orlando Jones please

Wow this conversation had me researching Frederick Douglas wives, very educational and who knew........

Thank you Orlando!

Racism like most societal entities has evolved. In the past, it was chic to profess one's racism but now the opposite is true. The zeitgeist of America is someone who is always coming after you. They are always trying to get what you have. Another belief of America is to be as wealthy as you can be and always gain and obtain property. But when you have much, you must now secure what you have. And the more you acquire, the more difficult it is to watch and maintain those possessions. To make sure you can keep what is gotten, You then enlist someone who is like you and you give them some items and say “Those people are trying to get what WE have.” Even if the goods were stolen and absconded through nefarious means. Western civilization has advanced through subjugation and manipulation, and those who have obtained property through such means must develop a sense of paranoia in order to justify their status. There is no group of people on this planet who have not been negatively affected by Europeans. They have a lot of blood on their hands and they think karma is coming. So by default, they must live a guarded life. What they don't speak of is their love of power, and the acquisition of goods gives them power. No one wants to be powerless, and there is a comfort that you have when you have power. Others cater to you; furthermore, they protect you, when you have power. Racism has evolved into Anti-Blackness because its antithesis is pro-Whiteness. It's not chic to say pro-White, so you must now codify your speech. Couple that with paranoia the atmosphere of “they want what we have,” and fear of karmic energy, and the love of power- you must have all of this to maintain. Racism is the nice package that encompasses the aforementioned and if you want to keep what you have, you must keep it going.

Good conversation ✌🏿🖤

It’s so wonderful that his daughter had a different perspective on black people. My two blacks sons do as well. They’ve lived economically privileged lives with educated professionals as parents. Now as they leave for college im soooooo conflicted as to the preparation my husband and I have begun to undertake in getting them prepared to interact with white hostility,ignorance and bias.am I just preparing them for that reality OR has the reality actually changed. Will they encounter less racial bias than their dad and I did. Am I doing them a dis-service by “ preparing” them- setting them up to see bias where there may not be any? OR would not have those conversations be the mistake.

I think Orlando is somewhat misguided with this definition. He's saying that "all white people are racist" because whether they like it or not, they benefit from their whiteness. Benefiting from whiteness does not make you racist. That's "white privilege". Racism is discrimination or prejudice based on your perceived race (such as color of skin, etc). I do agree with him when he says that all white people benefit from racism. That's the privilege afforded them as a result of the systemic racism felt by Black and other people of color.

Love these conversations‼️ Thank you Karen🥰Preach Orlando💛

9:44 -13:49 is GOLD!

Orlando Jones ... I dig this brother. I hear what he's saying and I think it needs a slight adjustment: to BE "racist" is be ACTIVE ... to be an active participant. Receiving the BENEFIT is "passive". For example, if you are the favorite student in a class and receive the benefits there of, that doesn't make you suck up, a brown noser, or whatever, because that's on the teacher. If you begin to lord it over the other students, become a bully, lie with abandonment because you know you will always get the benefit of the doubt, now you have taken on those negative labels. If you do nothing to correct the imbalance, you may be an enabler, but you certainly can't be trusted to be an ally because when things get tough you can always fall back on the preferential treatment. If, however, you use your status to get over on the teacher to the benefit of those being treated more harshly, you have acknowledged the system and being powerless to change the system, have MANIPULATED the system, and may be an ally who has placed false characterizations on how much of a participant in the system you are. The hardest thing to do is to see the benefit and actively throw it away, because not only do you no longer receive its benefits, but you can no longer transfer some of the benefits to those who have otherwise been harmed, essentially placing yourself in the harmed group through your last act of control stemming from your original power: CHOOSING to be in the powerless group ... like royalty taking off all their signs of status. However ... the TRUE power is that at all ... MOST ... times, you still have the option to RETURN to power. THAT is all to say, RACISM exists and is indeed baked into the American societal construct. I believe, however, to be "rac-IST" one has to actively exercise that power in a way that continues to harm. The problem for White people in THIS society is that where they fall is determined by a razor thin edge of decision making where the foot straddles the line to keep balance, but necessarily crosses over to both sides of the line as balance is sought. Some give up and just go full-on RACIST and wiled as much destructive power as they can, some jump in on the full-on ally side, call themselves "Freedom Riders" and get lynched next to their darker-hued friends, but most keep straddling the line, waving hands on both sides to keep from falling and having no power or being drunk with power. The problem for those line-walkers is that their hands, their wavering bodies, and their determination to stay on the line necessarily has them doing some racist things at some point or another. Even the ability to straddle the line is an exercise of power within the system. So the real question is for those line straddlers: Is being even a LITTLE BIT RACIST the same as being full-on RACIST ... you know ... like even being a little bit of African decent was tantamount to being full-on Black, for the purposes of being oppressed ... being "3/5 ths of a person" under the Constitution, for being denied jobs, the right to vote ... 1st Class citizenship...? To be RACIST is to actively wield negative power over others, so I don't believe every White person IS racist, but I do believe they all have a CHOICE, and that sometimes even the slightest dip to one side makes all the difference.

Preach Mr. Orlando Jones!✊🏽

This is a great conversation one that I be having all the time when I can find people to talk to. Truth needs to be spoken at all times because many don’t know!

Love the show. You guys are volleying some incredible perspectives. Lose the 400 years, Blackness, and African American nonsense the Boule enforced upon us. 🐢🪶