He Deserved Better Friends *Love Simon * 

yesss

Yeah, his friends were shitty.

His friends were horrible. He deserved so much better

They were much better friends in the book but in the movie they were pretty shitty to Simon

Uuuumm...he lied to them and tried to manipulate his friends. Instead of telling them he was being blackmailed and letting them know what was going on so they could try and help them, he went behind their backs and tried to keep Abby and Nick from being together, which would have made them happy. On top of that, he tried to manipulate Nick further and throw Nick onto Leah, someone he doesn't even like romantically. That's a REALLY crappy thing to do someone you call your friends, so yeah, they kind of have a right to be mad at him. He could have easily have told them what was happening. And don't try to claim he was afraid of them finding out he was gay. He came out to Abby WHILE he was being blackmailed and could have easily told her then. He should have trusted his friends and been honest with them. Yes, I agree they were kind of harsh, but they were hurt and angry. Like Abby said, "I'm not a piece of meat" and that's how Simon treated her and Leah.

YES!

yes.

The books better

Abby was the only one who deserved to be angry at all for as long as the anger went on.

@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas why are you so angry?lol

norlack89 I Just don’t understand people, maybe it’s because I’m an empath and literally don’t give a fuck about those things, as long as your good to me I’ll be your friend type of person. Like one of my friends came out to me , said she was in love with me and I told her I didn’t love her that way and we still saw each other and our friends I’m mean I set he up with her now girl friend and this was when I was whaat 14-15 like are people that cruel in America schools, what the fuck....... maybe it’s cause I’m from small area I dunno

norlack89 in the book his friends were very supportive idrk why they changed it in the film

@@milliesspacebunzzz1746 maybe like the peeps making the movie don't get normal high school life anymore like, yass girls are bitches and overall it's not the best experience but like people are more educated on that stuff now people don't hate gay people or juat ostracise them much anymore ....

Eh, I sort of understood it, the book sort of explained it a bit better. I didn’t like how upset Leah got about him not coming out to her first, but then again I understand why she may be hurt about it. Finding out your friend used you in order to hide their feelings and hook them up with someone they don’t wanna be with is kind of hurtful. Idk. The book was better with explaining all sides.

Honesty Day Well a big part of it is religion

Tay Yo I’m sure if he tried, Edward Cullen would just push the car away...

They literally abandoned him over some petty shit

The world would be better if everyone had a happy ending

Michael Woodcum He was a legit bad friend to them though. I don’t like this popular idea that you can be a bad and manipulative friend if you’re trying to hide a secret about your orientation and your friends aren’t allowed to be upset with you for any wrong you did to them.

@@AddBowIfGirl I agree. I think the friends made a mistake, but they also had a right to be angry.

@@AddBowIfGirl Simon's ife could have been in danger!! what his friends did was petty

What kind of guys do you hang out with? That's kinda sad :(

that's pretty sad I guess it's normal here

Huh what do you mean guys it"s sad...? I'm just confused

@scoobydoobydoodle believe me or not when i saw the kiss i was squeling i mean it's soooo cute but i swear i'm straight

@@urmomrry2404 it's sad that this person seems to only know mildly homophobic straight people. so much so that it's normal to see a straight person flinch at a gay kiss

I like when hes imagining college, dancing 😂

@@rmoira6HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL COLLEGE EDITION

I don't think he minded, at least he didn't look like he did...and if he did he could've asked them to leave him alone and I'm pretty sure the crowd would've dispersed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

In the book it was more private

Yes! Especially because the book went further than that and landed on an ending that wasn't an ending. There was no BIG moment like that, just the set up for their lives going forward.

In the book they barely even spoke! They went on a tiltawhirl rather than a Ferris Wheel, therefore couldn’t really speak, and the most intimate they get is hand holding. Until a beautiful Oreo mush kiss!

@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas Bram Louis Greenfeld

Yeah, same, I always tear up when I watch that scene, and I've watched it like five times now. I can 100% relate, and God, it hurts. But the resolution makes me so happy!!!

It was suggested by the actress! It wasn't in the original script.

me too

dude me too, + his scene with his father

Girl: I love you Me, not an American: *cries and runs off into the distance, never to be seen again because lesbians aren’t this blunt and it must be a trick*

caitlin definitely not just you. I wanted to slap some sense into his friends

Well unfortunately you can't do that so you should read the book and instead feel like you wanna hug them for being literally such amazing friends, especially Abby.

Tbh, it was understandable (in the book) why Abby was upset with him. But in the book she didn’t find out about him using her to hide his secret until later. So the whole supportive coming out thing was cemented. He reason why they fought is because, wether or not it’s understandable, Simon still did a shitty thing. There’s no way around it. I can sympathize with him (I’m bi) but also I know what he did to his friend was wrong.

@@katie5998 yeah, I get that as well, im like well it's pretty shitty but if it was my friend I would probs be annoyed but understanding

caitlin I mean there’s no saying how you could react in a situation if you’ve never been in it. There could be a variety of other issues going on, and this is just the thing that broke the camels back. Tbh, if my friend did this, I’d be understanding, and I’d forgive them, but I would never be able to trust them completely againz

Straight people (almost) never get it.

Then your friends are kinda stupid my guy.. sexuality is nothing to do with empathy. This dude's straight and hates the friends. The straight people I watched this with hated the friends. It's just about being ignorant.

ME TOO!!! wow, that can't be a coincidence, right?

Coreychristo I could never Jesus Christ I myself am straight and so was the friend I watched it with but seeing his friends infuriated me. They didn’t understand shit and it made me so mad. Especially when he came back to them.

Well your friends are just stupid, like the friends in this movie. I’m straight and I found the friends in this movie to be super fucking annoying and had no right to be mad. I remember first watching it and asking myself why are you mad at Simon? You guys should be mad at that other dude for outing and blackmailing him.

THANK YOU! I always felt that Abby was the one who had any valid anger. I'm just ticked the scene where they gang up on him even exists. It never happened in the book

I agree Abby felt like a piece of meat when in general she’s a person and I think it felt like Simon was pinning her off that’s why she was angry while I do feel Simon could have told Abby about Martin blackmailing him because no doubt she would have helped Simon as she was more understanding and he knew her for 3 months but he chose not to although I do feel they could have said look leave Simon alone when he got picked on but 100% Abby had his back more then the other 2

Yeah... I would have been upset and told him off, but I would have understand after finding out that he was struggling with being gay and got outed. Them standing there and watching him get humiliated again and not check on him and they mad for a whole week!?!?! That was messed up. I would have understand if Katherine's character was still upset finding out the guy you been crushing on for years will never be interest in you takes a while to get over but the two friends at the end of the day you guys ended up together so why be mad for that long.

You should try and read the book, all of what you said here is really done better in the book.

Yeah, the fact his friends didn't stand up for him when he was being humiliated in front of the entire school really showed what kind of people they were. The fact they made the whole situation about themselves too.

@@summanus4437 you notice in the spin off his "friends" are nowhere to be seen.

Blind people do it all the time.

I know, right? Do people think that he should’ve just came out? Like, it’s not that easy...

Lowfat Tacocat yea it’s not easy at all. like they treated him horribly

He could have told Abby once he came out to her.

He could have literally told Abby he was being blackmailed it wouldn't affect the story she was the only one he came out to even tho he knew her the shortest

I get it's not easy to come out it really isn't but she already accepted him I think it could have all been avoided if he told her because what's his face wanted to date her

or do forget everyone's a lying cheating arsehole - - thats a common theme too! i love that movie had one couple and they never wavered on who they wanted to be with like as in with another person

Or it’s just soft porn

@@auroralong5437 I know right! It was an okay movie and all but the core themes they subliminally showed really sucked, the end scene was one of my least favorite, because "blue" states he doesn't want to come out yet, and Simon sits in the ferris wheel essentially forcing blue to come out, which I suppose he didn't have to do, but it just showed this idea of like, coming out isnt that bad and see how much better life will be when you do, which isn't always wrong but for many that's not how it works and then there's again the whole issue with the more "feminine" gay guy and the whole "maybe not that gay", in a movie targeted to queer people, they really shoulda thought that scene through a bit more, because the kind of message that sends is horrendous.

That's mostly in American movies, though. Try some European ones, or even one specific Brazilian one, and now I'm torn, because I won't say the title in case it might be a spoiler :/

Geek With Glasses There’s a deleted scene where nick took him to a gay bar

OMG YES! One of the many things I loved about the book was that they didn't play into this trope! His drama with girls was completely unromantic (in the present tense of the story, he did have ex-girlfriends).

@@romeostruedude she doesn't want to be the prettiest. She's been in love with someone for years and then this super pretty and amazing girl shows up and he's just all over her. Also there is a little thing called character development. Leah is one of the best characters in the book, and mostly because of her flaws. Maybe you should re-read the book and actually try to understand her character because she's beautifully written.

eVeRytHiNg ChAnGeS iN ‘LeAh oN tHe oFfBeAt’ tHoUgH (If you’ve read the book you’ll know what I mean)

@@romeostruedude This book was written by a woman though

Kaia Losch I’m currently reading Leah on the off beat and I keep getting thrown off by things such as Simon having an older sister and Abby having a present dad, I thought that was a who scene where she’s gettin a pep talk about that.

yes yes yes! while it's understandable that abby was upset, there is a time and place for that. Simon was clearly struggling with everything - he had no idea how his family, mainly his father, would react, nor did he know what his friends or everyone else would do, and he was terrified. not to even mention the clear way Simon has internalized homophobia in the books. Simon needed someone to be there for him, especially after being outed in such a horrendous, embarrassing way, and the fact that his friends chose to just ignore the shit and trauma he went and was still going through wasn't okay.

This is the best comment by far

Its been a while but i think he also read fanfiction and i like that

Patricia S he read drarry fanfiction which is even better

@@anacamila8223 and he learned to use the washing machine to clean his socks

Henry Crotto lol that too, i was like wtf when that part came 😂

His friends were waaaaaaay better in the book. As much as i love this movie i hated how they made that especially how Leah was in love with Simon because in the book it actually WAS her and Nick.

Luke Willowbrook and the way him and Blue get together way better in the book

@@elsagranquist9755 yes! I hated the carnival scene in the movie. The way they ended up together in the book was much more authentic.

D. L. When I was watching the movie, it reminded me of the final scene of ‘Never Been Kissed,’ where Drew Barrymore waits on the baseball infield for her guy to show up, or not. The setup is very similar, with an ‘article’ being written that has a time to meet & everyone showing up to see if it’ll happen. It’s definitely cheesy, but I didn’t hate it, just like I didn’t hate it in ‘Never Been Kissed.’

100% agree

and the little note he left in the shirt.. their relationship was sweeter in the book imo

Agree!!!!

Agreed. The movie's version was so. damn. cringey

Lonkinella especially the girl that loved him because he literally didn't know and he wanted to help her, not purposely fuck with her.

@@emran.025 i think she said he knew it wasnt that guy, and thats why it was cruel, but yeah, still..

I mean, they still have a right to be upset. It’s understandable what Simon did, but remember we’re seeing things from his POV

Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas And that’s your feelings on it. But everyone’s entitled to feel a certain way despite how or how not you would react.

@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas which one? the original or the reply? in the original i said i kinda understand the friends of Simon, but due to Simon position i think they went too far

@WillFanofMany Lol thanks. I had just come home after some drinks with friends and watched this and felt the need to add that in there since its a sensitive topic lol. Good thing im a writer and so that managed to still help me even in my state lmao

Yeah. Also the fact they had zero understanding of his position and made it all about them and their problems. Like, she's whining that he didn't notice she loved him, for starters that's on her for not being open about it. Secondly, welcome to the gay world. Unrequited crushes/love interests is practically a rite of passage. Then his other two friends complaining when it's really the same situation. Instead of being open with one another they just pissed around. The worse thing was that they got lied to. Simon got outed to the entire school. For some areas that can be literally life-threatening, and even in the best places it's really hard to deal with. Then when he needed them the most, when he was being embarrassed and bullied in front of everyone for a very specific reason, they did nothing. At the very least that suggests they thought he deserved to be treated like that, to experience discrimination in a really crude and humiliating way. They didn't have to forgive him or not be mad at him anymore, just stand up for him. They're really not great people. For a movie about the subject of being a gay person, it really came across as being extremely tone-death to me.

Ingvild Svendsrud I actually like Leah more in the movie than in the book, tho

Valeria Nicole Perez idk, I didn’t like that she liked him. And why do you do that? Just wondering☺️

exactly. It was confusing as f u c k when they left him. when in the book that doesn't even happen.

honestly. in the book leah is such a bitch in the book. I honestly wanted simon to not forgive her.

romeostruedude I didn’t like book Leah, but idk why you’re trying to say this isn’t realistic. It happens all the time, especially when you’re a teenager and having to deal with insecurities and body image issues...

you are absolutely correct and quite literally they were arseholes but give the teens benefit of the doubt. one is new to the school still, another has no excuse (the other dude, i forget his name), and the last is literally brokenhearted cause she was 1. admitted to her crush and was thought to be crushing on their bestfriend and 2. had her bestfriend and crush come out to their new friend instead of them for unknown reasons. i say they did the wrong thing to simon but as well simon did some bad himself. quite literally the dude was the only one who did smth plain wrong. sure, he was lied to abt his crush's feelings but thats reasonable to an extent

More to the point, how tf did they "make up for it"? They literally did nothing but clap and say "congrats gay" *AFTER* the damage was done.

I don't think Abby was out of pocket for being upset with Simon, there were many different ways he could've dealt with that.

So true

Literally my first kinda weird dream was Daniel Radcliffe in philosopher's stone when I was like 8

I never fancied Daniel and wasn’t that big into Harry Potter to be honest very weird and odd but because I grew up with 2 brothers my family were way into the WWE so all my dreams and first crush was John Cena lol but Dan is cool couldn’t have seen anyone else play Harry

JoannaRoadie28 -_- It did seem like they crammed a lot of “endings” into the last ten minutes, huh?

@@susanmaggiora4800 yeah they're like 'oh they're friends again' 'look this guy is Blue' 'oh they're dating now' 'le fini'

JoannaRoadie28 -_- I suppose a lot of romance movies, teen or otherwise, tend to cram a lot into the final act. I’m thinking of the many movies I’ve seen where there’s a voiceover, telling us what happened to certain characters that they didn’t get much screen time etc.

The ending was awful, especially when the book did it really well.

@Matty Bruno Lucas Zenere Salas in my opinion it was really great

Yeah, nick and leah were better but i was kind of mad at abby because she had the same response

Yagmi also in the book the carnival scene wasn’t a huge public thing with everyone watching him,it was just a private thing between him and blue without a crowd watching. Like I got second hand embarrassment watching the carnival scene from the movie.

I also got embarrassed. Like people I am waiting my the love of my life, can you not watch me make out with them. Ooh there was also the cute part where they skipped school to go get Oreos together, that was my favorite part

I do agree that the book was a hundred times better, but I have to say, I didn’t like Leah as much in the book as I did in the movie. She was always so jealous in pretty much every part of the book she was in, and it got to the point where it was pretty insufferable. Anything Abby did, she was always upset about. I’m glad that “Leah On The Offbeat” gave Justice to her character in the books though. It’s almost as if Becky Albertalli made her character to be more like the one in the movie than the one in the first book.

I completely agree, but I do have to say. They movie could have been worse. Most movies from book(s) adaptions are really bad at keeping the feel and character and plots of the book(s) but love Simon, while not 100 percent accurate, it was pretty close and was still really good movie.

@@mateom1691 Yeah!!! I did like Leah's character either. I haven't read Leah of the beat yet, but I never liked that fact that she got so mad and upset at Simon for not coming out to her first. Even thou it's not her choice and the fact that we find out she is bi (in Leah of the beat), so she know how hard it is to come to terms and admit something so huge and scary as coming out. And if she comes out to Any body before simon and dosen't say anything about it, then she is a huge hypocrite!! That's just my opinion, glad to at least know I am not the only person who was a fan of her character!! 👍👍

Moonlight has nothing in common in this except for young homosexuals 😂

@@macloca7103 still worth watching

Sorry, I know this is late except... Simon is wayyy taller then Martin in the movie?

@@hailey9509 Yes

Kaylynn Davis so why would Simon be intimidated by Martin

@@hailey9509 I don't really understand the question. My point was that in the movie Simon was taller than Martin and could easily physically intimidate him. In the book Simon is small and Martin is tall. Reversing their dynamic.

Kaylynn Davis ohhhh