As a 2 simcube pro owner this makes me excited to see the competition getting comparable, obviously comes down to filters and your own likes, but honestly all you need is 14-18 NM of trq. Can’t wait to try this wheel base out myself.
@@suprcros smoother, more power. It feels pretty great, even doing smaller upgrades, but it was about as expected from watching couple videos on it. (not specifically moza r9, just upgrading I mean).
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j awesome, I'm excited for the upgrade, the g27 is 10 years old, it's long overdue. I had to order it direct from moza because it was out of stock or said preorder everywhere I looked for it.
Just watched this again as now have a Forte wheelbase. You mention looking at settings of the Forte wheelbase and trying to get as close as possible to how the the Invicta felt. Could you please share them? Also can we have some info on how you then setup the FFB ingame? (AMS2/ACC) Cheers and keep up the good work
@@hypnotiq I also have the Alpha U like @gulfcoaster210 and it is incredible, i had the same dilema as you , and I don't regret buying the simagic , it is unbelievable wheelbase
The new Asetek wheelbases while did note few QC concerns, reviewed well. From your review, it sounds like Asetek is doing their homework and being open to the community for feedback and that's good to hear from a manufacturer. I like what I've watched and hope for further enhancements. Currently, I'm running the SC2 Sport wheelbase and it's still meeting my wants/needs/expectations for a good wheelbase and see no reason to change anytime soon. Thanks for the comparison and review Boosted Media.
Tried both at ADAC Sim Expo 2022 In Germany. The felt extremely lite to me but they were buttery smooth. I generally run 12 nm holding, Asetek had these set at 4nm. I was able to quickly adapt to the 4nm easy and match my lap times to my dd1. I could see myself moving from my dd1 to one of Aseteks wheel and pedals sets.
laughs in my DDPro 5nm being enough if not to much for me! Seriously though most modern road cars which I preform to sim have very little feedback in the wheel... Like the most feed back I get in my IRL 2020 Ecoboost mustang premium is when the lane centering kicks inn or I choose to make the wheel feel heavy... Which is why I use a race sim wheel at all is to get more confoble with wheel and pedals with my real car... as I'm used to game pads for driving. But yeah I don't need force feed back to drive tail happy cars fast and if I want it rumble is fine if not as great in the Xbox series controller anyway as it motors in the triggers and grips provide and more real feeling to road cars being you feel the drive though everything but the wheel.
I really loved my forte wheel and wheelbase the last four days, but I had a problem where if I went over 4 Nm torque the force feedback will turn off, and I would get a message that said "Voltage too low" so after mailing back and forward with Asetek they have said I need to send it back to so they can test and check it. but even at 4 Nm torque, it was way better than the Logitech g920 I had previously, so can't wait till I get it back
I think the point is being missed, that no one is running their wheel at a constant 18-20nm of force. The reason you're feeling more detail with the Invicta is because the added NM threshold allows it to have a higher slew rate and give it more headroom for effects. If you're running your wheel at 15nm the Forte only has 3nm of headroom for spikes and effects, the Invicta has 13nm to play with.
Is it working this way? Only scientific measurement of slew-rate could tell the difference. Maybe his Invicta test on 50% (or Asetek settings) is more thann Forte on 75%. I hate to spend x1.5 just because of that. Forte is such a good product (La Prima is even better, but not sold wheelbase only).
That's not how that works. The limit you set in the software is a peak force limit. The only reason for the increased detail on the Invicta is the slew rate, nothing else.
I wish you did cover Simagic stuff, whatever happened in the past between you and the company. I think Asetek and Simagic are the two most interesting companies right now and Simagic looks very promising with the great wheels and similar price points as Asetek. For me, the Forte and Simagic Alpha are in the pole position right now, but info on the Alpha in 2023 is very scarce and Asetek is still very young, it's tough to decide on anything. I think it would help a ton of people to compare both in 2023 with the updated Simagic software etc
Any updates? Would you recommend one or the other? I just got the Logitech pro wheel but now realizing I’m missing out on ecosystem. So want to return and get something where I can have an F1 wheel and a GTish wheel for other racing
The asetek and dd+ are so snappy it's something that's different I had to get used to it. Its like when you turn quick back ND forth the wheel snaps back which is awesome for quick turning. But the forces also center forces def push back which is a cool effect and helos with alot of details. Most will have to adapt to the feeling of centering these bases have. Where it feels like its actually pushing back agaisnt you to center instead of just feeling heavy or harder to turn. But it's also what allows those details imo.. the biggest thing I've felt with these bases are the changes when yoyr car is hurt or ahvign tire issues or suspension issues and more. You can feel how complex they are with sll the changes in each race you so. They are consistent but the changes make them seem not consistent with feel when in reality it's them telling you everything that's Going on. It never gets boring because of it.
They've already said they want to, read some interview from last year that the biggest issue at the moment is that there's not enough of the chip the console manufacturers need you to use in your hardware to make it available on their consoles. So for now we wait.
Will, thank you for both this video and the full length Invicta review. I watched both back-to-back and it was great info. I'm going to keep my Invicta bundle order, but having seen the issues you pointed out, I now know what kind of issues to watch out for, and will be a bit more conservative in recommending the new wheelbases to friends. I think the Asetek wheel & base is more suited to those who are willing to put up with a few early QC issues and the Simucube Pro is probably the better bet for the remainder. I wish I could get a bundle with the Forte base and Invicta peddles!
This prodyct looked really exciting upto the point where I saw the mounting options. Podium side mounting is rock solid why complicate things, dissapointing, however make it sony compaible i would live with it so i could get rid of my next to useless continally faulty fanatec ddpro which sits rock solid no flex which would be great if it worked occasionally. Fab review you are my acid test for sim stuff. Your very consistent.
Hi Will thank’s a lot for your review ! Finally what’s the best settings for you for the forte wheelbase un racehub and in game for ACC ? Thank’s a lot for this vidéo ❤
I really want the wheelbase but my OCD would drive me nuts not having the case line up which also makes the led strip look wonky. Makes me think if they cant get a simple thing like that right what else was glossed over.
I’m currently looking at the Forte bundle coming from the G29 bundle, I hope it’s a huge step up. Plus I like to support a company from my own country. Only thing that worries me is, that people say that the brake pedal is very hard with almost no travel. I like a “softer” brake with travel. Maybe I can get used to the Forte pedals
Well one things for sure… the brake is hard. It comes with a softer elastomer and it does make a difference. You can calibrate it to use however much of the range you want.
Will love all the reviews you do keep up the good work, got a question for ya, how far away from yr eyes is your 65" screen, just about to set my triples up, cheers in advance 👍
Good question! I think VRS still has a slight edge there, but I didn't feel it was as necessary to run it here in the first place. Overall I feel the complete force feecback is better with the Invicta than the VRS, but we're talking small margins.
Appreciate the vids, bro. Well detailed. Question.. would the upcoming Asetek quick release adaptor for 3rd party wheels mount to Fanatec's QR's bolt pattern? Thanks in advance
There's been some pretty extensive studies into this. Niels Heusinkveld has a great video on the topic which I'd recommend watching.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pCq01LHaIVg.html
I see many FFB profiles that reduce the slew rate to reduce the harshness of the ffb signal. Would turning down the slew rate be counterproductive, given it is slowing down the motors response? if one is going to turn down the slew rate, would it just make more sense to just buy the more economical version given it has a lower slew rate to begin with?
It depends purely on the car you're driving and what suits your personal preference. There were only a few scenarios where I felt max setting was over the top.
I have a question. When you have the base and wheel connected. In game controllers in Windows. What does it show ? Example for Fanatec it shows base/base . If you could let me know this I would appreicate it.
Have a look at Will's Moza R5 and R9 reviews, these are more budget friendly. There are also other reviews which are not as top priced as the Simucbe, Asetek etc. And maybe Will can get his hands on the Asetek LaPrima series. This is the entry level for Asetek, which over time can be upgraded to Forte (wheelbase) or even Invicta (pedals) by purchasing upgrade kits as soon as the budget allows it. I'm in the same situation like you. Having a T300 and low on budget having to save money for some longer time before able to purchase something. So all these top line wheelbases are not in my reach, even if I would save money for over 3 years. So budget gear it is.
Not yet unfortunately. Same motor and electronics. Just lower power so I expect it will be ideal for people who don’t need more than 12NM. Although we’ll have to see if the responsiveness suffers compared to Forte.
@@boostedmedia From the specs, it looks like the La Prima and the Forte are the same motor, only the power supply and LEDs change. It remains to know the Slew Rate parameter that is not shown in the La Prima specs. Same policy as Fanatec with the CSL DD?
Hi Will, currently have a Fanatec CSL DD and wondering if worth upgrading to a Asatek Forte wheelbase. Cant find any comparisons but certain you are the best in the business to enlighten me. Many thanks and keep up the great work, Martin
I’m planning on doing the same thing. I’ve had 2 csl dd’s broken in less than 2 months so my experience with fanatec is not good. Waiting for the third one but i’m going to get it refunded asap.
Where does the Forte slew rate compare to some of the other existing wheels? I noticed the La Prima has a 180W PSU vs the 400W PSU for the Forte. Which suggests maybe they've exchanged some slew rate for holding force maybe. Will have to wait and see I guess
I was really excited to see your positive review on the Invicta, but then seing the drop in the slew rate in Forte, and that you saying that it's noticeable and taking away from the realistic feel, it got me thinking and worrying about my La Prima bundle (wheel + Wheel base) preorder... (that's what my budget allows) So would you think that I would be better of with Logitech G Pro in this case instead of La Prima? I just got VRS Pedal set, and my remaining budget only allows me to chose between La Prima and Logitech G Pro for the Wheelbase + Wheel Thanks in advance for your support and guidance..
I think you need to listen to what I said again. I said that the Forte is a noticeable step down from the Invicta in terms if responsiveness, but still on par with my Simucube 2 Ultimate at similar torque levels. I cant comment on the La Prima as I havent tested one. So I have no idea how it will compare with the G Pro.
@@ploppen3872slewrate is the acceleration of the motor. A high slewrate will jump from min to max force rapidly, while a lower one needs more time to accelerate. With some damping and/or lowered max torque you can use high slewrates, but on high forces without much damping i wouldnt recommend super high slewrates. In a perfect world a fast acceleration would perfectly replicate the ffb of the sim, but the signals arent that good in most cases, so a lower slewrate can be even beneficial. If your wheel jumps from lets say 5nm to around 20nm in under 2ms because of a sharp spike in the ffb it can rip your wheel out of your hands, cost you time and also doesnt feel realistic. If you want to have a super raw and fast feedback you may like a high slewrate, but most people are dampening the feeling and signal anyways, to make it feel more realistic than robotic. it dampens rather the signal than your whole wheel. So there is no added weight or friction in the wheel, its just the motor that makes everything feel more rounded and soft.
Hi Will, I am somehow missing your final settings of the Forte wheelbase after you tried to get as close as possible to the Invicta feeling. Could you please share them for ACC?
I’m ready to buy a direct wheel. In the UK I can get the R21 + GS wheel for £1350 or the Asetek Forte wheel and base for just a little more. Question is which one would you get?
@boosted media How does it compare to Simucube sport ? Is it worth upgrading? Is the quality of FFB much better ?
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From video, it seems that you liked Forte more than simagic alpha? Im looking forward to the La Prima review. Im thinking about buying alpha mini with gts wheel.
It's been a long time since we tested the Alpha and I'm sure the product has evolved since so it probably wouldn't be a fair comparison which is why I didn't compare directly in the video.
I can’t speak for the asetek but I own and alpha u and have used the majority of wheel bases on the market and the alpha u has been my favorite. It stands toe to toe with the simucube 2 pro (I prefer the feel of the alpha u personally) while offering a much more complete ecosystem. The alpha line has improved exponentially since will’s review.
The alpha mini/gts is a phenomenal value combo. Both products are beautifully made and provide a fantastic experience for the money. That would probably be my recommendation for anyone breaking into the dd market on a moderate budget.
I prefer a lower slew rate. I run my SC2 with a 2.2 slew, a bit of damping, and a bit of friction. Anything faster just feels a bit too sharp for my tastes. Most of the time I run 1.9 slew.
Has anyone got their hands on the La Prima base yet? I'm on the market on my first DD wheel and saw the La Prima wheel, rim, and pedal set for $1350 and submitted my pre-order just to get it in, but wondering if it's worth keeping my pre-order or if I should maybe look at a Forte or Invicta.
Thankfully someone finally inquired about the La Prima! I just got my La Prima bundle order processed early yesterday. I can't wait to receive it & begin driving with a direct drive wheelbase. I ultimately decided to go with Asetek after careful research & consideration. Reason being - simply due to Asetek's superior build quality & thier eco system philosophy allowing their customers to effortlessly upgrade into their higher-end products if & when they're ready. Asetek appears to be an outstanding company with a genuine passion for sim racing as well as their clientele. Below, I have listed the other options which I considered before making my final decision: a) Fanatec 8nm DD b) Simagic Alpha Mini c) Logitech G Pro DD wheelbase with the Logitech Pro load cell pedals bundle d) Fanatec Clubsport V2.5 I will be sure to update this thread with my feedback regarding my order after I have been able to use it for a while. Cheers!
Hello . I have a f-gt elite cockpit with front mount included . Will it be compatible out of the box or do I still need to buy an accessory to mount it ? Thank you
Thanks a lot for the reply. Yes, I also watched the latest excellent VRS review video. Difficult choice because, I will base myself on other aspects such as the ecosystem, quickrelease, etc... Thank you very much again!
So.. if you had the means/desire to buy one wheel that will last MANY years.. and offer the best overall everything.. would the 27nm invicta be the way to go, and just dial it down to 12 to 15nm.. so you have the extra headroom, and ability to go up more if you want? Is it worth the $1K more.. to be one and done? Assuming the build quality/longevity is say.. 5 to 10 years or longer? Or do you think go for the cheaper model.. it's enough and in a few years something better with more detail (not NM.. but accuracy detail) will come along and worth it to just upgrade then? I have a CSL DD that I am just starting to learn on, and I am not sure I like it.. feels kinda weak and makes clanking sounds and crap.. like its not enough force or something and my strength ends up being too much for the 8nm torque of the base. Hence why I am thinking going all in on the full $3K Invicta wheel/base/pedals setup.
I'm just kinda wondering how the grips on the Forte wheel feel. The wheel itself looks quite blocky to me, and the grips near the top are quite square looking. Are you getting any sore spots on your thumbs maybe?
@@boostedmedia Sorry. I'm not trying to be a P.I.T.A. but I've watched both vids again and still don't see any mention of how those grips felt while driving. The flat surfaces and sharp square edges near the thumb area just look like trouble to me.
The thing which I can't understand from these Asetek reviews is the lack of mention of the La Prima which is 12nm, if Will is only setting ffb strength to 13nm surely both of these are overkill. Asetek have obviously realised the La Prima is all you need so are holding a base package and reviews back.
La Prima was mentioned in our reviews but no reviewers have been sent them yet. I guess they want to generate a 2nd wave of interest by not sending all three together.
What are the hardware differences do you think between the forte and invicta that makes the difference in details you talk about? Different cpu, motor etc. thanks
New people into sim racing might buy this, but I don't think many Simucube, Fanatec, Simagic or Moza users will be switching anytime soon. If Asetek truly believes its products are superior, it should implement a try and buy policy or a leasing policy. Get the wheels in the hands of people without putting a large financial risk on the customer. Having owned a DD1 and now a Simucube 2 pro, I would not spent that kind of money unless there was objective evidence that the Asetek was superior in some way. Unfortunately, there is no way to provide objective evidence as to personal feel. Something tells me that Asetek will not be around that long at its current pricing of products. And once they start dropping prices, it's a bad sign.
Hey Will, started my sim-racing journey about 1 year ago. Decided to upgrade my rig from the Logitech G29 to a real DD, have around 2K euro to spend, do you recommend this wheelbase or should I go for an different one.
Sorry just a unrelated Question about buying Logitech wheel. When purchasing direct from Logitech with your 5% discount, do you have to pay import duties? FYI Logitech have reduced the price of the pedals. I paid $427 for them 👍
The La Prima base is upgradable to the Forte wheelbase with a upgrade kit. The Invicta base on the other hand has a different form factor which the Forte isn't upgradeable to.
I’m new to the sim racing scene and have watched countless reviews on many channels. What is the biggest difference between these two bases besides the nm value? If everyone usually uses these at lower nm values why opt for the more expensive ones?
@@deathbysnusnu5174 The way I understand it is on top of slew rate, these motors have sustained and peak powers. If you are running a 10nm wheel at 100% power you may feel it burst to peak at 13nm (for example, like the Simagic Alpha Mini), but you're probably running into some clipping issues too. If you run a 25nm wheel at 40% power so it is outputting 10nm you're not going to have the clipping issue you would with a 10nm wheel putting out the full 10nm. Same thing if you take both of those wheels and set their power to output 8nm. The difference in detail may feel closer between the two because now the 10nm wheel has 2nm of head room and is less likely to clip now, but the 25nm motor is still going to feel more detailed. The 10nm motor is still putting out 80% of what it can, but the 25nm base is only running at 32% capacity. Hopefully that helps with understanding it. :)
I just checked the prices: The VRS wheelbase is still 150 Euros less than the Forte Wheelbase (the Forte costs 16% more). So, Will, would you say the VRS wheelbase is still king in terms of value for money?
You have to factor in that the mounting hub (or an aftermarket alternative) is essential with the VRS base, which brings the price closer. But there's no denying it's exceptionally good value for what you're getting. Lets see what the wider Asetek ecosystem brings to the table in the coming months.
I add that, in addition to the Mounting Hub, a Quick Relay in the VRS is necessary. In the Asetek, if you buy your steering wheel, no. I am between one and the other. Even my idea is to buy La Prima and then update the power supply to save something money with La Prima bundle with the steering wheel.
It depends on the settings you run. I don't get anything noticeable on my SC2 Ultimate or on this, but at comparable settings there is a similar amount of resonance.
Is the slew rate directly associated to the power of the motor? Not having either the Forte or the Invicta wheel base, I'd be able to live with the Forte and not expierencing the higher fidelity. If/when my current CDL-DD calls it quits, I'll heavily consider stepping up to the Forte. Also, Id need to buy a couple of Fanatec to USB conversion kits. But that is a problem for future me.
It's more a design characteristic of the motor itself. My understanding (I'm not a mechanical engineer) is its a byproduct of the mechanical design (rotating mass, etc). In order to achieve fast response, high peak power levels are often required, so the two do go somewhat hand in hand as well. But just because a motor has a lot of peak torque doesn't necessarily guarantee a high slew rate. Someone with engineering qualifications or specific expertise in this field may wish to correct me here.
@@boostedmedia I think it would be worth looking into since they are closest match on price and spec. Stick with the well known or gamble on the new ecosystem?
The comments about slew rate are big ol' load of horse manure. The sim is not outputing forces anywhere near the maximum rate of these wheelbases. If you want to test that, crash into a wall at high speed and compare the difference in fidelity between the wheelbases.
