I had no idea how much to make it cost, specifically because it would hit your minions as well. Think Poison Seeds. And I was thinking epic, though that hardly slowed the rampancy of Meteor in Arena.
+ForGlory Scrubs It's a Lord Marrowgar meme from way back during Wrath of the Lich King. Except of course he says "BONESTORM!" You can't say that word quietly. If you try, it will still come out as a yell.
That is not how deck trackers work, they don't actually know what's in your deck, they just see what's the original, what was played and was put in, in the case of archbishop benedictus it obviously doesn't know the enemies deck
As someone who understands statistics, gnomeferatu is not good. If we get into a tutor heavy meta or if the Warlock hero card helps play into a fatigue game somehow, then it could be ok. As it stands, you are essentially giving up a slot for a powerful card in order to play a river crock with a small upside against priest, some weird hunters, goya decks, and meat wagon decks (note there are probably a few other decks that I missed with tutors). Some of you are probably curious as to why though. Burning the top card of a deck is actually the same as removing the bottom card from a deck when you have no information about where cards are. The next card in your opponent's deck is just as likely to have been at the very bottom as it does being burned. In this way, unless you get to the bottom of the deck, you have statistically done nothing by playing this card. Also, burning one of their lesser cards brings them closer to getting the cards you are trying to burn, so there's that too. The fringe benefits of the burn just aren't worth it. If the card sees play, it will be as a tool for finding information or in a deck designed to get to fatigue. Archpriest Benedisctus also doesn't auto win against most control. I'd even go as far as to say that it worsens your matchup against some control decks. Fatigue is quite rare in this day and age and priest has much faster card generation tools. I'm also fairly certain that deck trackers just use your decklist and read what pops up in your hand. I don't think they can tell you what you shuffle in from Benedictus.
Agreed on Gnomeferatu, though I might argue it's worse than River Croc. It's a random effect, even against "favorable" match ups, meaning you might be helping them draw into their combo rather than discarding their combo. The fact that no warlock decks plays the fatigue game also means that even if you do get the "upside", it's still worthless. Vanilla card with a beast tag is better.
The animated berserker could maybe work very well with my enrage warrior deck. The deck consists mostly of minions that have the enrage effect, so being able to activate the enrage effect on those minions when you play them could be pretty good
Did kripp just write off the best card in the expansion as "another one of these" Snowflipper penguin is by far the most meta defining and broken card blizzard has ever released.
snowflipper penguin when used with build-a-beast is pretty good since it turns your build-a-beast into pretty much just picking the minion effect you want then giving that minion a free +1/+1. Also good with Houndmaster. 4/3 and a 3/3 taunt for 4 mana. Pretty good.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think decktracker do not track your deck, instead they look at the original deck you use to play, and add stuff depending on the contents added to it, based on the cards played. So if you Gang Up a Coldlight Oracle as a rogue, you will see three additional Coldlights added on the tracker, but I don't think you are able to see the random legendaries added by the Malchezaar effect.
In the review of Defile they said they saw the endless loop that happend with dreadsteand and defile and now changing the dreadsteed so that the new dreadsteed comes only at the end of the turn on the board.
As someone who plays renounce warlock, Kripp really ought to know that deck trackers can't actually see changes to your deck mid-game (unless they can deduce them, like obviously there's a pack in your deck if you played Elise).
~ 5:00 ish... Shadowblade can be nice with Envenom in the late game. Big minion removal, taking no dmg (that turn). Defile can actually be a board clear and insane card draw: 1/1 dr; 1/1, Acolyte of Pain, Defile. That's at least 4 board dmg, and potentially more, for 6 mana. Moorabi can be used as a 'copy cards from your opponent, pay 3 cards and 8 mana (Moorabi and 2x Frost Shock)' as well as all the freeze potential the expansion provides. Copying battlecry cards can swing the game, or 2x Tirion or Frost Jaina.
I'm pretty sure deck trackers do not know which cards go into your deck. It only know your deck because you can see it before the game. It also adds cards to the list when you know the card that went into your deck. For example, when you play Prince Malchezar the tracker doesn't know which 5 random legendaries were added iirc. In the case those show then it will mean you will be able too see what your opponent has, although I really doubt it.
I just got an idea from when kripp was talking about gnomeferatu. A new legendary minion that has an effect of, "whenever you discard a card (s), discard that many in your opponentd hand. Imagine that combo'd with deathwing.
I'm pretty sure the deck tracker won't be able to tell you what your opponents deck contains when you shuffle it into yours. You don't know what legendaries you get when Prince Malchezar shuffles them in.
For the priest legendary and deck trackers, wouldn't the interaction be the same as with Prince malchazar, with the added cards not appearing on the deck tracker until drawn
Benedictus will not show what cards are added your deck with a deck tracker. You don't see the legendaries off Malchezaar so I don't see why you would see what Benedictus adds to your deck
from my experience, deck trackers can't see cards that were put into your deck during the game. Cards like roaring torch, entomb, and gang up work because the card in itself lets you know that a certain card is being put into your deck. I believe unknown card shuffling is one of the things that Blizzard puts behind a clientside wall.
Archbishop could be used in a priest that burns through all its cards really fast then refuels with Archbishop. Also on deck trackers i think it depends on how it works because I know mine doesn't show cards in deck for the tavern brawls so it will probably work like that since you need to add the cards to the tracker for it to work.
You missed an important part of Shadowblade: the immunity for the turn also applies to deathrattles and battlecries from minions you've "liberated" from your opponent's class. Not only can you smack a minion without pain to the face, but, deathrattle/battlecry to deal damage to all characters or your hero do nothing to you. And Moorabi actually punishes mages for using Frost Nova. I find that entertaining.
The Meat Wagon disappointed me so hard! Remember this wagon in Warcraft 3; it was super epic. I was hoping to see it dealing dmg relying on dead minions.
I'm surprised Kripp didn't mention the synergy with frost lich Jaina has with Sindragosa (sorry if spelt wrong} if you get late game you can ping ping those frozen champions, summon a 3/6 add a legendary minion to your hand
No. I am almost positive that deck trackers do not work like that. Do they let you see the cards in your deck in the Randomonium Tavern Brawl? They don't. I think they only have access to the deck you made (the player knows this) and any changes your opponent may make (these are shown in the game; again, the player knows this). Similarly, deck trackers do not allow you to see what Prince Malchezaar has given you. Therefore, Blizzard will not make any moves on deck trackers. Good thought, though; I wouldn't have even considered it. Besides that, great video. Keep up the amazing work. :)
Decktrackers won't track oponents deck with Benedictus. Take an example: you play as meme-renounce lock and play Renounce Darkness, your Deck Tracker simply do not show you cards that you've got. Same with Archibishop
I like Archbishop Benedictus because it gives Priests a chance against other decks that can go infinite. Not that it in itself can give infinite cards, but if you happen to steal a jade idol, or two Dead Man's Hands, you'll be in business. Not to mention all of the broken synergies that can occur when mixing classes.
Frothing Berserker(on one turn) + animated berserker x2 + necrotic geist(on the following turn) swing with frothing, when the effects get roped out the frothing would be powered up to the gills. do you think that might work? its a bit of a late game play, but could actually be a case of a deck going infinite without much input.
I dont think decktrackers tell you what cards enter your deck if you yourself don't know what those cards are. If you entomb a card or play elise, then yeah the decktrackers show it because what card entered your deck, but with cards like malchezaar, I dont believe decktrackers reveal what legendaries reside in your deck. If Benedictus works like Malchezaar, then decktrackers THEORETICALLY shouldnt be able to be abusable (maybe there will be weird interactions with cards like gang up or recycle though, where you physically know what cards are in your opponents deck before you play Benedictus?)
the other apprentices voice line is "some day you're going to be just like me" as a reference to the regular apprentices line "some day i want to be just like you". Also pretty dark as forshadowing Jaina becoming the Frost Lich.
usually deck trackers cant tell when random cards are added to your deck, they usually only display cards that are known to have been added to the deck. Like tunneller shows up but Recycle will just be a question mark.
In order for a deck tracker to track what cards get added by that card it would need to be possible for you to know normally, or be very poorly coded. Normally deck trackers know what cards are in your deck at the start and keep track of what cards you draw and observably add.
I don't think deck trackers would be a problem for the Archbishop because they don't tell you what you get from Renounce Darkness. So I would imagine it would have the same effect.
25:10 they obviously can't track the cards because if you put prince malchzare it can't show what legendary cards it put in your deck I think the same in archbishop benedictus
For Gnomeferatu, imagine instead that Antonidas was second from the top, you just helped your opponent win a turn earlier. Statistically this will happen more often than you milling the wincon away even if it won't make the compilations.
You think it might be possible that "Embrace Darkness" has this hidden charge effect like shadow madness and potion. Otherwise its as you say, pretty heavy investment for a 2 turn delay effect
With the deck tracker comment, the deck trackers are unable to track cards you have no knowledge of, that's why deck trackers don't work with renounce darkness. It would only start tracking the cards your enemy has revealed, which depending on the game can vary, if your opponent is in fatigue with no cards in hand, then it would track all the cards it has put into your deck.
I think the deck tracker only knows the cards in your deck at the start of the game. When it adds cards to your deck during the game it is doing so by knowing how the cards work when played, not by scanning your deck.
All a deck tracker does is keep track of what cards you saw being added/removed from your deck, it doesn't actually know what is in your deck at any given time, it just assumes based on what decklist you're using and what happened during the game.
I know it's a bit of a specialised scenario but that Spreading Plague is perfect against Swamp King Dred. 5 mana to kill that AND THEN get 1/5s to match your opponent :)
Don't most deck trackers work by either knowing the deck ahead of time or by building it out on the fly from the log? Ergo, Archbishop shouldn't be abusable in that context because it doesn't know your opponents deck ahead of time, and you'd have to draw the card for it to show up in the log. In other words, I don't think your deck contents are public data while in-game.
Deck trackers do not know the cards in your deck that where added in random effects or from opponent deck, just the ones you added from effects like gang up Madam Goya.
deck trackers dont know whats in your deck cause that info isn't stored on the front end. They just have a list and they tick off when you draw stuff/ add stuff. They don't know any more than you could with a pencil and paper.
I love Kripp but I think when it comes to set reviews, often Reynad has the most accurate insights into the value of cards. For instance, Kripp thinks Gnomeferatu is crazy, whereas I think Reynad accurately predicted that it is one of those cards that looks interesting but is actually trash. That is a really minor example, but still.. Regardless, love Kripp/Rania and its always awesome to get a lot of different opinions from good players about each new set.
I'm confused on how Archbishop Benedictus works specifically. Does it copy and shuffle what remains of your opponents deck in to yours? Or does it shuffle the entire opponents deck, as it is before drawing a single card, in to your deck?
weird why blizzard keeps printing -at the start of your turn- minion control transfer effects if it was on the end of your opponent's turn, card like embrace darkness would be nice, cause you could attack with it (presumably as it is now, you wont be able to atk with the stolen minion cause its stolen at start of your turn)
Im hyped. The person who hits the turn limit first loses kappa
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Archbishop Benedictus is not broken with deck trackers. This should be obvious if you have tried playing Prince Malchezaar with deck trackers enabled - the generated legendaries do not show up on the tracker, so neither will the opponents deck.
I don't think deck trackers can track cards added to your deck (they don't track prince malchezar. They only track things like Entomb where you know what is being added.
"Embrace Darkness", may be viable in control/dragon priest, when matched with a non-aggro opponent. It's a more niche slow card, but can be a strong value swing. It's worth it if you cast on a minion you want effects of, to deny effects for opponent. Say in turns 8-10+, your opponent plays for example Tirion or Ysera, Lyra (with buffs), Deathwing, or Highmane, or a Primordial or a 4 attack Spikeridged steed minion - which you struggle to kill (coz it's a dragon, or has divine shield, 4 attack, or your out of removal). Embrace Darkness the tough target that has a strong buff effect, even Hero power to heal it so opponent can't kill it off into your minions, then you get it to your side with the effect(s): taunt, divine shield, steed, or ysera, death rattle , etc. It works well if you have a clear board... even better when you can combo with Radiant Elemental and Dragonfire to clear other minions on board (5+5 mana combo) - when you have some dragon(s) in play alongside Radiant Elemental. It's a targeted Sylvanas without the body- but can be a good Medivh spell . Can get silenced I think, but then minion loses buffs (who runs silence though?). Obviously worse if the turned/embraced minion can't attack right after it moves to your side (strong if it gets "charge"). But even if no charge and if the effects on minion are strong enough, it could be well worth it. Also you can freeze the embraced minion with glacial... What do you guys think?
Hey Kripp so I was thinking couldn't the meat wagon be a trap card? Like with doomsayers??? You're opponent would kill this card on their turn then not be able to kill doomsayer and you would have board control plus tempo.
So... Priest is gerring the crazy effect legendary that it always does, Blizzard makes Druid into anti-aggro while pushing control playstyle to everyone else (how to ruin a class 101). Also remember when we got Justicar and everyone lost their minds about that card? Good ol' times I guess.
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