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Heavy Duty CNC Router Build - How We Built it for Commercial Duty! 

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If you found this helpful, we have an all-new build with all the lessons gained from this machine!
This is our heavy-duty CNC router mill. We use it in our shop as a workhorse and built it to suit. Welded steel chassis, screw drives, and rails. There are a lot of things I wish I knew about building a CNC router going into it so hopefully, this video will help save somebody else some the headaches!
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@whatevil
@whatevil Год назад
A great summary. Thanks for this. In my last job I was coding for a £125k industrial 5-axis wood CNC (seriously heavy duty) and I'm turned off by all of the lightweight hobbyist machines you can buy, so I'm considering building something a bit beefier like your machine. This gives me tons of great info.
@Karaon
@Karaon 6 месяцев назад
This is somewhat around what I plan to build myself. I've been binge watching youtube videos for like two past weeks and this is hands down exactly the info I missed in most of the other build vids. Thanks man, really appreciate the effort to say about it. You showed me yours, I'll show you mine. Soon ;) Cheers and good luck
@kurtbilinski1723
@kurtbilinski1723 Год назад
There will always be well-meaning (or not) people pointing out perceived issues. In short, if it does what you want, which in this case is to make money - end of story. It works for you, and as they say, "Perfect is the enemy of 'good enough' " Could it be made better (squishy definition of what that is), sure it can, but that never ends, and you didn't make it to please everyone. Well done, sir, carry on.
@jamescullins2709
@jamescullins2709 Год назад
Wow, that is a long screw, most would have used rack & pinion for that length. Good job
@CNC-Time-Lapse
@CNC-Time-Lapse 2 года назад
Thanks for posting this awesome video! I appreciated you mentioning the size of the screws you are using as I am building a machine similar to this and appreciated the info!
@muzzarobbo
@muzzarobbo 3 года назад
awesome info thanks!
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 3 года назад
Thanks for your interest and taking the time to comment!
@iancrossley6637
@iancrossley6637 2 года назад
Good job on the build. My Nema 34's don't make anything like the noise your's make. Have you thought about mounting it on isolation bushings? There really isn't anything wrong with rack & pinion systems, there are plenty of solutions to backlash. Whip on the screw rails is pretty predictable.
@DH-ts6ho
@DH-ts6ho Год назад
❤❤❤❤ All of a sudden I understand why men use emojys as comments.
@Imatarget-kb8xv
@Imatarget-kb8xv Год назад
Stumbled across your vid today while researching, very nice build. As you were explaining the electrics my heart had some palpitations, hopefully for no reason since I’m watching on my phone and could be mistaken. From box one (AC side) to box two (Power Supplies), did I see wires running without knockout protection? I saw the bundle of DC in box three had a knockout protector so I’m hoping I’m just not seeing it right. Vibration on this machine would make short (no pun intended) work of that wirings insulation if there’s no knockout protection. Again, thanks for posting.
@thebrojectlist6881
@thebrojectlist6881 3 года назад
This is one of the beefiest ones i've seen, very well built! I like that you choose the ball screw spindles instead of racks. I am currently building a cnc router with the same setup (steel frame, all ball screw spindle) but about halve the size of this one. Definitely will be looking into a Bosch router after seeing this. Yours would mill steel with adjusted feed rate. Also nice to see someone actually shimming the rail and make sure it's square. Most of the flimsy (aluminium) things you see passing by are crooked or have a lot of flex in them. Very nice build, it deserves way more attention on youtube!!!
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Thanks for the well-considered reply, mine is a little long for ball screws with fixed ball nuts. If yours is smaller you will probably see much better results with the screw set-up than I did.
@donochetti2177
@donochetti2177 2 года назад
Big cnc machines are scary when in motion
@CaptCreekmore
@CaptCreekmore Год назад
I watched a video recently where the stepper motors hummed at low rpm. (I wish I could recall the video) The creator pointed out that the controller was at the lower end of the motor specs in terms of wattage. He went on to show the same motor with a higher wattage controller and the noise was absent. Curious as to where your controller falls into the motor specs?
@duggined
@duggined Год назад
Your table is similar to mine. I built mine years ago and all steel also. Mine is plasma and a 2.2 kw water cool spindle. I have a third of it with aluminum table with t-slots, I can also add 4 risers for full sheet cutting. Oh the aluminum table comes off too with just 4 bolts. I installed rack and pinion but it skipped a lot so I bought 1 inch ballscrews and with my 1200 oz steppers it was so painfully slow I had to put the r &p back in action but I flipped it and use a pressure strut to hold the rack and pinion together better but still want to do the ball screws, they are still on table but will only take 15 minutes to get back together. Can you let me know what setting you used for your dual steppers? I use mach3 and also have a slave but mine is y axis. Any ideas would be great. I can post pictures if you want to see what it is like. Ed
@landonhillyard
@landonhillyard 2 года назад
excellent work! any guess on overall cost? Does it cut steel like you wanted?
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Thanks! I think I'm up to around $7,500 CAD, but that includes some upgrades over the years (new screws, router mount, extra estops, vacuum attachment). I have done some aluminum work with it but not tried steel yet.
@mikeleonard8031
@mikeleonard8031 2 года назад
Hi mate, excellent built. I am about to start my build in a couple of weeks and will definitely fit a smooth stepper. Still doing research.😁🇿🇦🇦🇺🇬🇪🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Worth every penny!
@gulshankapoor8924
@gulshankapoor8924 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing your machine it is perfectly fabricated and well explained. How much did it cost you please confirm
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Thanks for your kind words! Currently, I think we are about $7,500.00 CAD in to it. That includes some upgrades along the way,
@TheJuicyBurger
@TheJuicyBurger 2 года назад
Yo. Put some of that epoxy sand under the rails so they aren't floating between the shims. stiffness^^^^^
@mihailfelixdumitresc
@mihailfelixdumitresc 2 года назад
Hey, congrats for your hard work ! I may have a few thoughts I would like to share with you about your build and I do not really know how to do it without sounding like a criticism, which would be far from my intentions. There are good and less than good things about this build: a) on the one hand, you made a sturdier machine than the aluminium ones, because steel is obviously stronger than aluminium; b) on the other hand, your expectations about milling metals on it with decent results might be a bit too ambitious. The thing is that the thickness, the length and the width of each steel profile you used, do not match the lenght , the width and the hight of the entire machine. I can tell from the outset that you had in mind to make a much better machine than the flimsy long aluminium frame ones, which you have. But ideally, you should have had in mind the industrial grade portal machines, to compare your machine to, only as a frame of reference. I know, it would have resulted in a much, much heavier machine and the budget would have had to be different. The puzzle with this machine is that you are "stuck" in between two worlds: a more capable machine than most diy aluminium frame routers, but still a far cry from a solid industrial design, which would allow to cut metals decently, quality wise. I wouldn't upgrade to servos, because the speed/torque capability you would gain could not be decently sustained by , and taken advantage of by, the frame of your machine. The gantry would have to be AT LEAST double in size , which would increase its mass accordingly, which would make the table's frame life soooo miserable ! A stiffer gantry at that hight would require a much better second moment of inertia , which would call for much wider and thicker steel profile . Even so, it is not the bending of the gantry that one should worry about too much, but the torsion of it. The torsion of the gantry varies on how far out the Z axis would be relative to the X axis of the gantry, and on how deep the Z axis is lowered to mill the work. The outer the spindle relative to the X axis of the gantry, the harder the "mission" of the gantry as to not to rotate around the X axis. On the other hand, the more distance from the X axis of the gantry to the table, the more torque applied to the gantry. The gantry should have at least 20 inches in width, 20 inches in height and at least 1/2 inches in thickness. With these dimensions, the gantry would be able to easily sustain a 200 pound Z axis, milling at a distance of 20 inches away from its axis (so 10 inches beneath the gantry), using a 200 N cutting force, with an acceleration of 0,5 m/s^2, AND, very important, all of the above with a vertical displacement of the endmill caused by the torsion of the gantry of less than 4 thousands of an inch (the rotation of the gantry around X axis caused by torsion, would cause the (vertical) Z axis to rotate by an angle that would translate liniarly on the Y direction by less than 4 thousands of an inch lenghtwise). That would be a decent enough lack of accuracy to mill metals. But again, that increase in the gantry mass would imply an increase in the table frame, which would be a nightmare from a fabrication point of view. If I were you, I would leave it like that and I would use the router for milling wood and plastic, and perhaps aluminium with not necessarily utmost accuracy. Which is great anyway. I would like to reiterate that I meant no criticism; you have done a great job !
@ifnotnowwhen6914
@ifnotnowwhen6914 2 года назад
How did you assemble the frame so it was on plane? I don't mean the spoil board, I mean making the frame level and flat so it's not say potato chip shaped if that's helps clarify my question. I know it's possible to have the guides/rails parallel on one axis but not on the other, or say parallel in a north south direction but sag in the middle etc. I'm working on building a 1500mmx2200mm machine on a tight budget (I've got about 80% of the parts so I'm close to starting actual assembly) but I can't seem to find much on DIY "planing" (for lack of a better word) of the frame. Do far the 2 affordable options for large machines is use a laser level and accept those limitations, or building a tray that connects both sides and using self leveling epoxy that you get one shot to get right and complicates drilling and tapping the mounting holes. Thanks for sharing the video.
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
I was lucky enough to have a very accurate fabrication table to work off of, flat to .032" of the entire length and .016" over it's width. Then after the welding was complete I used it as a datum to shim my rails. I have never used a epoxy that had a low enough viscosity that I would trust it for that task. Perhaps if you vibrated the table slightly when you poured you could achieve some good results. I had also considered using a good laser level but I was concerned that the width of the laser would through out the accuracy I was trying to achieve. Sorry for the slow reply, were you able to make something work?
@ifnotnowwhen6914
@ifnotnowwhen6914 2 года назад
@@DIVCNC Thank you for the reply. I have been too busy to progress with the build but I keep doing research and compiling tidbits here and there so I can adjust accordingly. Frustrating because I've had all the electronics, the rails, and the liquid cooled 2.2kw spindle stored on my pool table waiting for me to have the time, metal, and room in the shop to build the frame. It'll make it that much sweeter when I do finish it though.
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Yes, I am all too familiar with that! Since you mentioned pool tables, if you can source a pool table slate from a good pool table, you could use that as your datum for building/shimming your machine. I don't know the exact spec, but I think good pool/billiard slates are flat to something like 0.020". Just a thought! Or use yours, doesn't sound like you play pool that often anyway :)
@ifnotnowwhen6914
@ifnotnowwhen6914 2 года назад
@@DIVCNC Funny, I was considering using my slate to add weight to my machine anyway. I hadn't considered it's flatness. Seems it was so obvious I was oblivious to it. Thank you!
@ewildgoose
@ewildgoose 2 года назад
Why is you gantry so tall? Question being something like it only needs to be as tall as the biggest thing you mill. What are you milling which is so tall?
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Good question, I had to really think on this one. I wanted a minimum of 12" clearance over the table to clear a 4th/5th axis table if I decided to incorporate that one day, so I needed my Z-axis travel to be 12". I went with 24" Z-axis rails to give the axis a long, stable footprint. I believe I tried to roughly align the Z-axis centerline with the Y-axis centerline which is why the gantry beam sits so high, been a while since I designed the thing but I think that's why.
@mikeleonard8031
@mikeleonard8031 2 года назад
Hi mate, if you used reduction drives on your motors it might have solved the overheating problem. It is a lot of weight that you are moving around all the time. Just a thought.I would definitely go for a much lighter gantry in using aluminium than steel.🇿🇦🇦🇺🇬🇪🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Thanks for the notes. I had considered the reductions, but with the limited speed of the steppers I am already struggling to hit the feeds I am looking for. I had definitely considered large, thick, welded aluminum tube with bracing much like it did with the steel but at the time I didn't have the ability to weld it so steel was the easier option.
@passinnovative
@passinnovative 2 года назад
Can i hit the subscribe button, Please?
@absolute___zero
@absolute___zero 2 года назад
open loop motors? you are kidding right? it is like making a Lamborghini and putting a motor from chinese scooter. if there is some error in the positioning you aren't going to catch it and the whole work will go to trash can. you wasted a good steel design.
@absolute___zero
@absolute___zero 2 года назад
there is a video called "How to Choose Axis Motors For Your DIY CNC Conversion Project" , from Franco, check it out
@DIVCNC
@DIVCNC 2 года назад
Thanks for the link. You are definitely right, the current motors are holding back this machine. Fortunately, that is a very easy upgrade which is why we opted to start with something more cost-effective. This machine manufactures wood products where acceptable tolerances are 0.125-.0.1875" over 8'. If the gantry is out more than that it will be racked enough that it will trip the limit switches. It is also zeroed before every sheet so any cumulative lost steps in the Y and Z axis are eliminated. When the machine has some downtime, my first upgrade will be servos. For most machines, even high-end ones, if the steppers are sized and geared correctly, in my experience, even open loop motors are remarkably consistent and are certainly worth considering. We have run tests, where a dial indicator mounted to the frame at zero, has indicated less than 0.005" of loss after over an hour of cutting. For a lot of custom/first-time builds, that consistency is perfectly acceptable and the extra cost of closed-loop motors may not justifiable. When we require tighter tolerances or any of the other advantages of closed-loop motors, these motors will be gone!
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