Helen Zille: Return to Politics | Race | Herman Mashaba | ‘New Dawn’ (Interview) 

For me, Helen still has a big role to play in our country politics. Her level of understanding, her intelligence, she's really a freedom fighter. I would prefer her as president of the country amongst the women we have.

I’m inclined to agree with her on the BBBEE matter. Awesome interview

Gogo was lit...welcome back, this country desperately needs your wisdom and foresight!

so good to come across this again after about 5 years. again, this is about the only place i find proper discussion about our condition. on content, i hear helen as being from the ‘english political’ tradition which, as i understand it, is bottom-up empirical method of policy generation compared with top-down ideological methods. and i don’t think colour is colour, it’s representation of culture.

Interviewing skills are on another level. Well done again.

Well said Zille!

Watching this in June 2024. Helen Zille should be president. We need a non racial South Africa, that redresses based on being disadvantaged not based on the colour of your skin.

Great interview Sizwe. You always remain impartial and professional with your guests, while still bringing your point of view across (a skill that I think a lot of journalists battle with). I feel that the topic around race still needs to be had for centuries to come. This idea that people who were previously oppressed (and in some cases still are being oppressed) need to just forget about it, stop playing 'victim' and move on is not the solution. Racial oppression and racial tension is still rife, not just in this nation but across the globe. The conversations around it are far from over and people need to accept that and not get disheartened or annoyed by it.

She makes more sense.

This is one of the best interviews ever

I'm 71 lady that wat you said I. also belive work together and build together the country and this racial story must stop I don't growup racial can they please stop with there racial love one another love is free and build our beautiful country South Africa

She’s funny, I’ll give her that.

Helen made sense somehow 🤦🏽‍♂️

So glad to see the youth leading the charge on constructive conversation with such poise and clarity. Glad to see the channel growing

I like the format of this channel, welldone Sizwe...giving all a platform to express their views and letting audience decide

When are we as a national going to start building a highway for progressive seeking ventures? Because some tools or instruments have a given life span to can provide effective and efficient results or outcomes i.e a screwdriver has now been replaced by a cordless handheld device and that doesn't mean we dont appriciate the work that a screwdriver has done of the years..."BBEE" Mama Ziller has won back my heart she is very comprehensive and insightful in her responses that's putting black patriotism aside but rather objectivism

Keep us engaged SMWX... !! one man said " an uninformed consent is no consent at all "

I like how Sizwe delt with Zille on the matter of race... She, as many others, use BBBEE, BEE to justfy her stance... I can't believe how Helen would bring EFF & VBS to attempt to deal with the said question. Really!?

I really enjoyed the interview. You stood firm with the discussion. 👍🏽

Quite an interesting interview I must say. I think Zille still doesn't understand how race will always be a factor regardless. It's an ongoing variable until it's addressed accordingly by the right people in power. Sizwe you doing quite an amazing job with these in depth interviews man! Again, keep it up man!

I watched Sizwe interview former President Jacob Zuma. That interview was very well done. This interview with Helen Zille of the DA has also been done exceptionally well. Sizwe obviously does his homework very well.

great interview, I enjoyed watching

"victimhood" _ wow! _ I don't think Helen truly appreciates the pain that exist in SA. Super interview as always.

Sizwe you do a interview very professionally you dont attack or interrupt the people you interview you are very professional

Great interview Sizwe. However my criticism is that youre having a 2 hour conversation within 51mins. We need more time or a part 2. Please 🙏🏿

This was a great podcast! I really enjoyed it! Thank you!

My man Sizwe with the plug 🔌🔌🔌

Siszwe you shouldn't have debated her party position, some of us understood from the onset that her party wants to maintain the position of WMC and any blacks in that party will be pawns or means to lobby the votes of clever blacks

Really enjoying the show Sizwe. I've been tuned in since day one and I really, really love what you are doing here - God's work!

You make politics so cool to follow... I feel fully engaged when you ask your questions, make the topics so easy to understand. Good work! ⚒

Interesting

Lol, I've never seen you touched on your studio before Siz, bring her back!

ill be watching this again

Helen makes a compelling case for non racialism, especially when she also acknowledges the need for sympathy and empathy. It's quite a gamble however to believe that other whites and particularly in the DA believe as strongly as she does. I'm watching this video just as racial tensions break out post the looting and burning of malls in KZN. In a time where people coil back into their racial ethnicities to protect property and family ideals like non racialism seem not to stand.

I like the way the young man calmly dealt with the granny

Great interview brother...

well done Size , interesting interview

Absolutely true

She is good, she may not be correct but she does think!

Very interesting interview 🤔🤔

this gogo is funny sizwe ,you are human and open

I am a new subscriber. Enjoy your interviews. Interested to hear that you were awarded a Rhodes scholarship, although you interrupted her at that point, but you went to Oxford. It would be great to see an interview or discussion about Rhodes scholarships and that aspect of the legacy of colonialism. You will probably get loads more subscribers.

Beautiful interview

Nice one Sizwe.

Very informative interview... 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿

So having treated all those with darker skins as ‘lesser’ regardless of who and what each & every single one of them was: is to be continued {by those who exploit that easily divisive yet entirely un-chosen colour of one’s skin} by enabling a politically selected group, from amongst all those with dark skins, as empowered & affirmed by the mere colour of their skin regardless of who and what each & every single one of them is… So the darker skinned subjective individual whose meaning was obliterated by the discriminatory race identity system of Apartheid now continues to be so obliterated by the race identity policies of the ANC/EFF: such that a privileged by Affirmative Action ‘black’ individual is treated as if as disadvantaged as Sihle who still earns R 3500/month mowing suburban lawns. BEE is not the end of Apartheid; rather it is the continuation of the race manipulating Apartheid system that reduces each & every single child born with a darker skin to nothing but its designated race & if that child’s specific individuality & life story is rendered meaningless by this process so is any hope of that child developing accountability for & hope towards the realization of its unique & rightful self. This is what Malcolm X came to understand {for it applies to each & every single one of us born to the history & future of the human species} and this is why he was murdered: because he was truly sincere in his endeavour to free the ‘black’ child from being either discriminated against or Affirmed as merely black so that they could finally be understood & treated as integrally a child of us all!

Smart

Wow!!🔥🔥

Keep it up bro...

When dealing with what is wrong with SA, ZIlle is always ready to speak of the very poor black majority, the black middle class and the very wealthy politically connected black elites and goes to the extent of pulling out files of all corruption (real and alleged), even throws black political parties in the mix, she has Jacob Zuma's name on the tip of her tongue alongside VBS, EFF, BBBEE and other black abbreviations! But when she speaks of white people, it is about defending the good aspects of colonialism with no mention of corruption/collusion, no mention of racism, no white political parties, individuals or NGOs are ever mentioned in a negative manner. Now why is that?

What an interesting conversation Sizwe.

Sizwe 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

I wish this interview happened a day or two later...following the extra two resignations...Please have another sit down with Madam Captain Self-Destruct...Ten minutes will do 😂

Mgogisto knows how to argue.

This woman is my hero

Ayeye!

bro u did great job on educating Gogo about race! Keep educating and inspiring SA

why is she using BEE for all the analysis as if redress is BEE

Ayeye lighter than lit

Wow

United we stand; divided we fall. That's SA from 300 years ago to 300 years in the future. I could be wrong, but wouldn't redress be a subset of any program that addresses disadvantage - regardless of race?

This is the real head to head... I enjoyed this more than Baleka Mbethe's Aljazeerah's interview... with a panel of experts....😂🤣😜

Great interview 👍 l don't think DA has opportunity in parliament it people pleasing party .

What she's saying about the DA is completely different to what Herman Mashaba said yesterday to the entire country. I'm hurt by the things that are coming out of this womans mouth.

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Interesting conversation. Don't agree with everything Helen says but was interesting to listen. China and Singapore are perfect examples of socialism. China started with nationalization and now are socialists.

It's frustrating how he asks a question and then misses her answer... he's not listening to her answers... then asks the same question and then she answers it with even more depth and he goes back to asking a question as if she didn't answered it in the first place... We should try to solve problems, not by our assumptions, but by using the most relevant and latest data

to my understanding BEE is a free market policy, and that is exactly what we face if we implement free market policy, power will serve power, And race is a proxy for disadvantage, because oppression was used through race.

We black people are poor Mme Zille,if you can understand that part you will win the politics and come up with better ways of addressing the issues of the past and lead our country in the right direction..

Helen needed to be reminded about regretting to support black leadership in May 2019... an article covered on the 27th... so that's how she has changed .... Mashaba could probably remind her of that

The DA has fallen

I would never vote for the DA... but as someone who has Audited public sector I have no faith in BBBEE and as a result i am inclined to agree with Helen Iscatiot, we do perhaps need to consider redress on another basis rather than race or atleast not make race the sole factor.

Loadshedding 😂😂😂😂

Good discussion but the studio gives me an headache

With all respect Sizwe the old Gogo taught you a lesson or two in this discussion. You should reflect on it.

Hi Sizwe. I appreciate your content. You always have really good points and make a lot of valid points. But in this case I think you made a mistake. You let your emotions influence your arguments that you could have taken the discourse into. For example, though I think she knows what you are saying is true, and you did well to mention it, with respects to appealing more to her base (white people). Your follow ups could then have gone into, what the data suggests would be the best structures one can build to facilitate the narrowing of the inequality gap. Because inherent in her proposition, as she states it, would be "unnamed" racial improvements (as the poor get richer the racial divide should narrow in terms of wealth). Those ideas then stimulate new ideas not only in your discourse. As she states all these failed experiments exist, the question is why is her ideas above these ideas? However if she wants to take the apathetic route of solving the problem without looking at the emotional aspect of the live experience of racial brutality, discimination, etc. Then what would she then through the data propose be the best solution of the emotional reproach still found in racial South Africa today. Does she think that people should just get over it? Is that what the data suggests is the best way to deal with trauma and scaring? I mean I commend her bravery for being honest. To an extent I would agree this should no longer be classified a racial issue. Where I disagree is that, it is now both a racial and class distinctintion, the problem has evolved into. That is to say... there are now black South Africans, Indian South Africans, Coloured South Africans also rich (still a vast minority). Therefore do not benefit those already above water. Instead facilitate building of the raft that will take those to shore who are in the middle of oceans of deprivation, destitution and depression. I would have loved to hear about a robin hood strategy or a ownership strategies (employes own shares in the companies they work). Capitalism is also a failed experiment. It constantly fails and has to be fixed by the governments. Always because of greed. So how do you fix the market place if socialism is not the answer? Something I wish you would have done more is, push her on her very shallow take on the EFF. She really didnt produce much argument only strawmen. So please next time my man, dont be hesitant to bring the fire. Unlike on the race thing, here you didnt invest enough emotion. I appreciate your work. I find titles annoying so please take offense at me not acknowleging your achievment (im very happy for your achievement). I look up to you as, i see in you a much better articulated- and thinking being. I wont idolize you, hence i will critique you when I think you are not trying to take in their view. Instead of pandering to what you know or what you think you should be doing (challenge the white lady because she doesnt know our experience of racial discrimination). Perhaps try the Socratic method. Try to really understand what they are trying to say, so that you can see if what they say, actually makes sense.

The madam" s defensive stunt is interesting

Who else got confused with how many B's and E's there are in BBBBEEEE 😁

I'm deeply hurt by this womans ignorance. So black people act like victims. So we've basically imagined the inequality... how insensitive. I'm disgusted to say the least.

She’s triggering on so many reasons

Sizwe you were good here "son". I can now predict that DA will disappear into the FF+. In fact the next elections DA will disappear progressively but surely

If you always play the victim you will start believing you are the victim.I think sizwe you are maybe naive that it's only 1 race that lives or experienced poverty.Helen Zille explained it to you very well

Load shedding 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Nice one. She had you in a firm stranglehold boet. ...hope you are able to change your mind/views on some of the ideological positions you hold.

Hellen, as long as you ignore the majority of this country who are in poverty, this country will not move on. Thinking that only corruption is a problem is just an illussion. In short, the DA failed to evolve and be truelly inclusive, so it will be a failed project, a party of white people with few Afrikans. DA in its form will never be able to attract Afrikans, as your vote depends on them. You want Afrikans on your terms, if you are brittle you cannot bend like a bambo, and as you attempts to bend, you will break. Hellen is not a suitable leader to take the DA forward. All the white DA is concerns about, is the loss of white voters not growing black voters. This implies thar your racist glasses are not yet removed. Ta Sizwe.👊🏿

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Godzilla 🦖

Her points are incoherent at best.

Im sorry but Helen is very synical and simplistic about the racial economic imbalances of SA and that's a grave miscalculation on her side

She starts by talking about redress of the past and then she goes on to say that race cannot be used as a marker for redress. What past is she referring to then? This was very confusing to me. Secondly, just because the current method of redress has been hijacked by corruption doesn't mean that we can invalidate the need for redress within the context of our racial past. Okwesithathu, uthi people that are currently benefiting from BBBEE would obviously want to cling on to this benefit...well we can use the same argument that people that have benefited from the previous regime have clung to thier previlages and she doesn't want to go there because well, she doesn't believe that there's such a thing as "white privilege". I'd respect the DA a lot more if they were just honest that redress is not on thier list of priorities.

This interview has pacified me... But I am still angry!!!

You lost me when you said " extremely honoured "

Speaks against racial classification while her white constituency is uncomfortable with black people. this interview was a waste of time for Mpofu- the woman keeps scribbling disrespectfully like a child and pays no attention. Hellen is silly! Very silly!

she has the wrong idea of human nature and africanism but its hard to prove her wrong

this women is so audacious, its terrifying 😂

No, Zille is lying!! DA doesn't take decisions based on no colour...it is vise versa....She is busy sugarcoating things and trying to sound relevant.

Lol I really don't think doing this interview was a good idea for Mrs Zille. She needs a new PR team.

Her Defence points are All drawn from Arrogance

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