Helldivers 2 - a breakdown on the machine gun sentry vs gatling sentry 

With the reduced cooldown it definitely feels like they’re different now, the gatling sentry is like an area clearer on bugs, while the mg sentry is now almost like a seaf soldier strategem who you can call down more often to get attention off of you

Machine Gun to kill Chaff and Gatling Gun to teamkills

If you're on one of the geological survey missions, the only pertinent question on this subject is: "Why not both?".

Always said the machine Gun sentry only needed a shorter cooldown to make it a viable sentry again. I was so super glad Arrowhead listened, I can get 2 uses out of the machine gun sentry by the time I get to use the Gatlin again and now it is one of my favorite sentries. =:D

The MG sentry is great for stealth. If you get too much heat, throw one behind the enemy horde and they all forget about you

I've seen people use the gatling like a CIWS against shriekers. Which is pretty fricking cool so long as nothing with heavy nearby is distracting it.

5:30, the mortar sentries behind cover:

I watched your spear/Gatling video, first game it really popped off, second game my buddy used it as well with different eagles on helldive we had little to no issues. We were killing biles that weren’t even a problem

They're really good at killing bugs w/ lvl 3 armor and hits a brick wall when facing lvl 4-5 armor. Which could be your anti-bile spewer if you don't what a MG/HMG.

Personally, I prefer the MG turret. It wastes less ammo and so it can kill far more bugs than the Gattling. The GT roughly can kill 20 enemies, and it is out of ammo, while the MGT can kill 35-40 enemies.

if they doubled the ammo capacity of the NG Sentry, i would be happy. that would put it at 2/3 the capacity of the gatling sentry, and with 2/3 the cooldown, they would become "balanced" even though they perform different roles

Great vid, shield on the back is ingenious

Great vid, I like MG sentry + Rocket sentry are a great combo, you throw the MG as a lure mostly and to split fire 3 ways while the rockets kill everything

Even before it was patched, MG sentry was better against wandering patrols and static spawn enemies, and gatling better vs breaches and dense groups. The MG doesn't waste ammo between enemies like the gatling does. MG also makes a better "battle buddy" like you said easier to work around, but really you will almost never get gibbed by the MG unless you have no situational awareness at all. It doesn't keep firing between enemies, its just firing because theres another enemy directly behind you. On patrols the MG sentry will consistently get 20-30 kills, on a heavy dense pack/breach with good placement the gatling can get 40+. If you throw the gatling at a light patrol, it will get less kills than the MG by the time it burns all of it's ammo. With the lower cooldown, the MG is my go to for running in between points- it will clear light patrols on its own if you dont want trouble but a patrol is right in your path. It's also great to throw behind you when disengaging. On bugs I will run both if there is plenty of anti-heavy already in the group. I used to run various Eagles or orbitals for chaff clear, but I get way more kills with these two turrets, and as much as the gatling will absolutely team kill, it's way less likely to do so than most your big airstrike and orbital chaff clears.

With the new updates to the machine gun sentry, I've had a lot of success running it with AMR, Jump Pack, and Airstrike, even on Helldive. I use the machine gun sentry essentially to "Cover my own ass" when in a high ground firing position. The cooldown update giving it superb uptime means I pretty much always have one available, even whenever I need to shoot and scoot to a new position.

I play almost exclusively bots. Using MG Sentry as a flanker is probably my go-to method for it since it shuts down the Heavy Devastator's shield shenanigans. They either have to keep pushing me and get shot in the side / back, or turn on the sentry and get shot in the side / back. It's also a nice response to Berserkers.

Gatling shreds mediums like brood commanders and bile spewers a lot faster than MG, but MG is more efficient. Against bots, the key is to position the turrets in a flanking position, even the MG turret can chew through quite a few devastators this way. The biggest problem with sentry against bots is they focus on fabricators and waste all of their ammo

MG for light but regular fire support, Gatling for when you NEED EVERYTHING small DEAD NOW, even if that means throwing it into the middle of a pack as a distraction. I wish that solo players could swap out the booster for a 5th strat tho, that would be neat, 4-stacks have so much more control, rezzes, reload-cover and raw firepower than a solo player.

As for all sentries: Watch the elevation! Always place your sentries higher or lower than yourself to massively reduce the risk of becoming collateral.

i think a good fix would be either increase the armor pen on the mg by 1, increase tthe damage of bullets by 10-20 points, or make it actively target smaller enemies so it doesn't waste all its ammo on chargers

This is what I've been running for two days. Blitzer, gren pistol, stun grenade, e napalm, precision, EAT, MG sentry. It's a lot of fun and well rounded.

The machine gun sentry should have medium armor pen to differentiate it from the gatling so it could have its own niche to fill instead of a worst version of the gatling.

I prefer the MG sentry over the minigun sentry. Shorter cooldown, so its available very often. Also it doesnt overshoot dead enemies that much.

I just wish we get a module rhat marginally increases the intelligence of the sentries, MG/gatling wouldnt waste ammo on things it can't penetrate (especially dropships) and rocket/autocannon would more reliably target heavies

I like running the MGS as something to draw fire with, and a fast response to ANYTHING especially lighter patrols, The Gatling now is a great but slower option but great nest clear, but most importantly both are great horde clear, combined with a rocket/auto cannon behind them and they will draw fire of heavy’s, this is especially important against chargers that will bumrush your sentries, having a MGS get charged while your heavy sentry bombards it is a lifesaver. Or something, anyways rant over.

Machine gun sentry needs 1 min cooldown like gas strike or gatling barrage to really be viable. This would be a great tool for mobile helldiver against hunter packs and other patrols.

For whatever it's worth, as someone with a subwoofer in my system, it was going off fairly constantly which was annoying. I'm not sure if you're bumping the table while talking or you need a pop filter, but it's something to consider that you might not be aware of if you aren't running a subwoofer.

Always remember: All Helldiver deaths are canon. These heroes died so that we could learn how to better spread managed democracy.

I just use the MG Sentry instead of guard dog rover since its moslty always available due to the short cooldown. It's a good tool to kill the chaff also on bot side.

I like taking machine gun sentry on bugs because of short cd. I can just spam it all time when getting overwhelmed by enemies.

On bot I don't bring them on anything higher then 6 because they just don't do much. I switch the the air burst and Rocket sentry for chaff kills and pulling aggro

Both with Autocannon and HMG Emplacement 😂

I think the MG turrets need another ammo buff before I start considering them over the AC and Rocket turrets. I want to like them, but they're a shell of their HD1 counterparts, even with the ship module boosting their ammo capacity.

Take both. Rocket, AC, Gat and MG "Sentry Build"

MG Sentry is fun to use, and I like to take it. It has a lower cooldown and less TK potential and is a cheeky little decoy to throw. But functionally, those are its only benefits and it's outclassed by the gatling in literally every other way. Total uptime, total damage, ability to keep itself alive, etc. And while it "wastes" ammo it drops with 3x the amount so functionally it will always have (way) more than the MG. Outside some very niche cases, Gatling is strictly better. MG call in should be 60 seconds flat IMO. It's an aggro sink, a decoy. Let it be used as one! It'd even make it viable on bots with a 60 second cooldown! P.S.: with that lower cooldown you can use the hellpod your sentry drops in with to kill fabricators!

I just wish both of these would ignore targets they cant harm. So frustrating to call an MG turret only to watch it chuck its entire magazine at a charger's head harmlessly.

Great video

it's a fun and well put together video! but I gotta disagree with it. coming from the perspective of a solo player I find these two turrets a godsend for automatons and just a niche toy for bugs. with automatons you often want to bring single target dps or heavy stun weapons do deal with everything devastator or above often leaving you without good crowd clear, and you need to keep in mind that unlike your example you will usually work together with your sentry, so heavy devastators shouldn't roll your sentries instead allowing you to focus devastators alone without worrying about small bots and berserkers! thats also why I find the MG sentry to be the best choice on the west front because all the sentry needs to do is remove the small obstacles and it does it WELL i hope this is easy to read lol, I just thought I'd share my love for the sentries also for bugs this is the same reason why I don't find them very useful, because for bugs you already want to prioritize crowd clear above single target DPS. so heavy hitting sentries will usually do better at covering your weaknesses not machine guns, because those only target one enemy at a time which isn't most effective against giant swarms of significantly tankier targets than bots

playing with turret since the start of the game, i feel those turret are useful but i found the tesla tower way useful for taking down those bug breach as long as you got a spear to defend it

Machine gun best when engaging groups. Drop it before you engage a nest or patrol. Great to place at an objective as defense while you work. Gatling best when already surrounded and fighting multiple patrols. It's a battlefield clearer. Gatling is more for players who can punch in stratagem codes quickly and drop it in the thick of the action.

I think they need to buff the machine gun sentry with double or triple the ammo. The biggest difference between the two should be burst damage for the Gatling Sentry, and consistent sustain damage from the regular sentry. This would give both turrets a large difference, and a good place to stand in . The machine gun century would be a lower cooldown, with a long uptime, able to support you in killing little guys and some medium guys with its machine gun, but at a much reduced pace in comparison to the Gatling Sentry. But it would give the Gatling Sentry breathing room to be a burst damage Sentry, something to throw out and run away while it devastates a huge horde of enemies by itself.

Auto cannon also fires bullets, big ones but still a bullet.

I love the LBP music... Nostalgia

MG Could do with more ammo too. Increasing its effective uptime alongside the cooldown reduction. Putting the gatling into an emergency chaff clear while MG is point defence.

@9:28 they should really just make it so turrets won't focus things they can't destroy. Getting accidental lock-on on something like a structure is such a waste

i use the extra padding heavy armor, it has 200 armor and with the damage resist changes for the higher your armor way back when, you become the wall, i use it with the supply pack for infinite stims

I haven't taken a sentry in a long time; usually now I go with 2 fast cooldown offense strategems, a support weapon and supply pack. Maybe I'll swap out one of the offense for a sentry just to try something different.

so basically make the sentry turret an MG-206

Right now with the new upgrade?Sentry machine gun is like second primary. For me with short cooldown must have on bots and bugs❤

Autocannon sentry is the correct answer

I got an idea as to how to make the machinegun sentry a lot better to the point that it might even become a part of the meta: Give the machine gun sentry higher penetration and/or more damage per shot, making it a more medium focused sentry while the gattling clears the chaff enemies. Would it make other sentries redundant? Perhaps, but I still think it may be an interesting change.

for cheap builds the machine gun sentry is actually good EATs - machine gun sentry - precision strike - [free slot] is a great build against bugs, if a bug breach starts, call every thing you have and done, if a charger destroy your sentry, just call another one, you can't run out of support ammo, the EAT might recharge before you use them all you died and had no samples? just walk away, your support weapon will be back in 60 secs bile titan? to well aimed EAT can deal whit it not the best for 9 dif missions, but usefull

bullet sentries + plasma punisher = kill heavy dev though i generally prefer the rocket sentry for bots since it's uniquely good against gunships

Loved the video, think you need a pop filter on your mic and / or need to reduce the bass or bass boost applied.

I use rocket, mg, gatling, and autocannon all at once lol

Tested the extensively, there's still no reason to bring machine gun sentry VS gatling sentry or orbital gatling barrage, or airburst barrage, or clusters.

holy bass frequencies batman

If only we had a decoy. Gears style!

They should make the gattling sentry faster and make the machine gun aoe

Machine gun sentry is useless still IMO, it's so low on ammo that the best use is drawing chargers/titans. Only see myself using it if we ever see the cooldown be something like 60seconds

The machine gun sentry should have with a bit more armor penetration

MG sentry is just need twice ammo,..and its be great..

I only use those against bugs cause against bots they are not effecfive imprefer mortar or autocannon

People deploying sentries are the only thing that kills me in Helldivers consistently. Doesnt matter how good I get sooner or later you are deep in battle when some idiot puts one down for kill count despite you being unable to get out of the way. Doesn’t matter that you know where they are placed if bugs spawn between you and a sentry you are good as dead if the sentry sees the bugs before you do. Of if you are battling for your life against the spawn just to be mowed down by a sentry. Worst part of the game right now. Next annoying thing in the guard dog rover. Another team killer if you are clinging to life looking for a stem. It’s satisfying seeing the sentry kill the person who deployed it. It’s the only justice I get out of it.

Imagine not autocannon maxxing for bots. And now with the targeting linked to tagging, I will be ruining factory striders

I stop bringing these after watching them unload into a bile titan or charger then get agroed by the charger for no reason.

I would actually use turrets if the game let me place them on top of rocks with me when I'm using the jump pack.

the Gatling sentry has mid armor pen, mg doesn't?

I don't see a point in either tbh

If the machine gun sentry had more stagger I would excuse the lower overall ammo count