Please let me know what you think in the comments! Can we save it by being honest again. Is it gone forever? #hiphop #hiphopmusic #fantano #needledrop #kaicenat #kai #joebudden #drake #glorilla #shawncee#kanyewest #vultures
The problem is there is too much criticism. Fans are paying 10 bucks a month to hear everything and want masterpieces. They gotta relax. Be nobody’s here to be some fans punching bag
Na imma have to disagree. The issue is they(artists and labels) present these projects AS masterpieces and get upset when people disagree. You can’t force someone into loving your work. Instead of saying “hey we have a difference of opinion that’s cool” they opt for the route of discrediting peoples thoughts. Everyone cannot like everything.
@@dozhadeville444The point is the whole trying to convince people that any random newbie is some fuckin god of poetry when they could just be honest,and things would be cool.
@@Realcordy He’s trash at taking criticism. That’s the point. I’ll actually back it up too: You don’t have to go back more than a week in order to find examples of this. KSI quoting Logan Paul’s Cryptozoo victims as "haters" is a good place to start.
Fantano may have some opinions people don’t like, but he is ALWAYS honest, he doesn’t care if his opinion lines up with the popular consensus. People that say he “panders” are coping so fucking hard. It’s funny cuz people will say he just says “the popular opinion” but people also say he’s a contrarian that says unpopular opinions for controversy. People just see someone disagree with them and get mad as hell LMAO so they need to come up with some insane mental gymnastic to justify their childish hatred for someone disagreeing with them. Shit is insane. He really just says what he think
“Hype is what you need when your fans can’t give you loyalty” - Jon Bellion The music industry is focused on the social media era artists because they provide a quick buck. The issue is that half of these artists blowing up now off TikTok and with influencers are going to be forgotten in five years. This is a new age of One Hit Wonders
I dont wanna shit on this era too crazy cause who knows. Maybe there's kids tht will find this era just as nostalgic & special as we did the 90s & early 2000s but man... I have a hard time believing that lol I feel like this era will go down as the forgotten era. Very few frm this era will have staying power in music. Most of them will go onto do reality shows, Twitch streaming, or dusty podcasts... or a constant topic on Shaderoom & HollywoodUnlocked 😂
I don’t feel bad for nobody. Plenty of good music coming out but the community don’t want to listen to it so a lot of them gone miss out stuck in the mainstream
I think people forget they are still talking about regular ass people who now have money. They are as insecure as the next person. A label props them up but they are still just people. Some talk trash and claim it’s criticism and there is a difference.
This similar situation is happening in the urban/latin music industry, the only difference is that majority of the latin music listeners don't care about the quality of the music at all and they only care about what us popular and pretend to like something that is going viral or doing numbers even if the music is dogshit (which the urban music rn is trash lol). And this is coming from a Latino...
I haven’t listened to Latin music since ken y lol so I’m not up on it. That sucks though man. I hope with all of us holding the line with our opinions will make a difference one day and we can get back to quality over quantity
6:15, I've always seen music criticism as a purely subjective thing. Sure, art critics have to create detailed arguments and declarative statements regarding a particular piece (movies, albums, books, paintings, etc.), but those still come from biased and intersubjective places. And even if we were to view critics as some higher authority, they're still just one person. I love art criticism because it encourages discussion beyond bland phrases like "this album is mid" or some stupid shit. But most people care about the number rating at the end of a review, if there is one, and create ridiculous comparisons between albums that have no business being compared. Most people don't care about music like that to engage, so I suppose it's whatever. This was a great video, and I'm excited to see your channel grow!
Definitely agree. It’s important to find a critic that you believe matches your interests that way you can trust their ratings. People do get stuck on the number instead of the words it’s crazy. I appreciate you watching!
Great points across the board. One thing in particular that’s been bothering me within these review cultures are people who feel the need to follow trends or be seen as having good taste to be a part of a larger community. They recognize that there’s status associated with looking or sounding smart so they have to always have the “right” opinion. It’s irritating and creates mobs of people who can’t be wrong about anything because their identity will take a massive blow otherwise.
Sometimes artists gotta understand that they are putting out music so people can criticize their music thats how it works. Nobody is going to like everything.
I know I am going to sound like a music nerd but hear me out. There has always been terrible hip hop and good hip hop in every error. EPMD, Eric B. & Rakim, and Big Daddy Kane exited along side celebrity novelty raps from people like Rodney Dangerfield. Tribe, The Geto Boys, Tribe, Wu tang, Massive Attack, and De La existed along Vanilla Ice, Hammer, and countless Eurodance raps. Underground hip hop from Rukus and Def Jux existed in the puffy suite error. Lupe, Clipse, and MF Doom where around with the bling/ring tone era. If you complain about hip hop now your sleeping on Billy Woods, Jpegmafia, Griselda, Armand Hammer, JID, and more than I can name. Hell, there are people like Kenny Mason that I am not really into right now that I still recognize as being young and dope. It's like that with house, bashment, dub, jungle, grime, funk, techno, dubstep, drum and bass and any genre that started from dancehalls/urban areas. If you are following petty drama, streamers, or trends then your lacking. I just picked up a drum machine, a set of decks, and got myself involved with different cultures and I cannot relate to what 95% percent of music commentators on RU-vid say. Get in music for the art, not the drama. All of this is incredibly corny. So corny that talking about it is a waste of time.
What your saying is true but it’s much more important to address the majority(mainstream) than it is the underground(the minority) because that’s goin to determine the culture overall. There’s a trickle down effect.I would have no reason to speak about the people I believe are doing well. That’s also completely subjective to your music tastes. If we let things like this slip through the mainstream we can’t complain about the state of it later.
@@_FLWRSHis whole point is that nothing has seriously changed in the mainstream, what it’s only now that music superstars don’t like criticism? That they don’t lash out at media personalities? This has been a thing since the 70s. This happens every year and has been happening for decades. There’s literally a boondocks episode from almost two decades ago about it
@@oogskskfn No one said this just started. I said it’s gotten worse. So bad that even people who don’t have large followings (not superstars) are feeling they’re above critique. Also just because something is a norm doesn’t mean we’re supposed to just ignore it and let it fester. I wasn’t on youtube 2 decade ago now I am. The boondocks episode is proof people know this is an issue and it’s ridiculous.
That’s just not true, it’s partly true but to compare the mainstream today to in other eras it’s obviously progressively less quality content then ever before. Even in the bling era you still had OutKast, Jay Z, Kanye West, Missy Elliot, countless others, same with the 90s and 80’s, hip hop is in the worst state it’s ever been bar none.
@@WweThemes120 the thing is there are artists right now considered mainstream hip hop that fit similar archetypes, I.e. Schoolboy Q, Meek Mill, j Cole, Teezo Touchdown, Black Thought, Run the Jewels, Tierra Whack, Lil Simz, baby Keem, etc . And what you’re ignoring is a lot of rap from the 80s and 90s is garbage, like Vanilla Ice, Milk Bone, Pressure, Mr Cheeks, etc. the thing is over time why the hell would people still listen to music that isn’t good? Of course the only music getting replayed is classics of the time period. Your problem is you’re just too lazy to find the music you actually like. In the 80s and 90s to get away from shitty commercial rap you had to pay attention to the music scene, read articles, visit the record store regularly. Now you just expect the best talent to just magically show itself to you in the algorithm. There’s more music being made now than ever, and more artists making money making really good music than ever. You literally have a super computer nowadays it’s not hard dude
yeah fantano has some crazy opinions, but at least they’re his honest opinions. regardless of how you feel about him, at least he keeps it real to himself and doesn’t arse lick artists. but it’s hard to feel like it even matters anymore when most artists seem to be trying to appeal more towards the streamers and their brain dead fanbases that freak out and scream over any trap beat that sounds hard, regardless of what they’re saying. Kai Cenat is actually embarassing to watch react to music. i remember him reacting to Mr Morale and the big steppers and he absolutely adored Die Hard, but was indifferent to Father Time and hated Worldwide Steppers. the streamers like him just like what is easily listenable.
Its not the artist reaching out to streamers its labels planting artists by paying influencers like Zias and Blou to love everything they are paid to react to
The weirdest part of all this music stuff is trending songs. People blow up videos with song clips of joints nobody would listen to. "Fast food music" says it better than anyone else has. The bar for bars has been on the pavement for a long time.
It’s crazy because there’s a similar conversation going around LA, and the LA Rap Report Card by Dejon Paul. Not a fan of Dejon or his report card, but he’s been making the point that- most LA rappers aren’t working hard enough and getting outside of the box, and that’s stunting the scene’s growth compared to other rap scenes in the country. And i completely agree with this sentiment. Instead of taking Dejon’s perspective as actual critique, the rappers have been denying Dejons opinion, taking 0 accountability, and just calling the list bullshit. When Dejon sincerely just wants to see LA win.
Now its hard to find genuine artists who don't care about the money but have real passion for their work. Instead of artists like kendrik, j cole, and eminem who pour their heart and soul into their music we got ice spice, sexy red, and lil mabu who only care about the money and streams
Great video to add to the point of Drake talking about shit that people don’t understand his stuff has gotten into a level where it’s just past romance and a rich level that some of us are like come on bro but Earl Sweatshirt speaks in the way of you don’t know what he’s talking about unless you’ve seen certain films read certain books and if you do then your mind is blown by the bar and you appreciate it on that level
Regarding fan behaviour, I just find it wild how some people would go to lengths to try and shit on you for saying you don't like the artist's music. It's lowkey crazy iwl
Streamers don’t even bump up streams. Fans are just there for the streamer not the artist. They might come to like the artist but that doesn’t mean they’ll go stream the music
Thats the point. The artist isn’t there to bring their fans to the stream they’re there to get new fans.They’ll become more receptive to the music if they know their favorite streamer likes them especially younger people. Social media personalities are called “influencers” for a reason
Labels wouldn’t offer money to streamers for no return on investment. If someones favorite streamer likes something they’re going to like it as well. Streamers audiences are highly suggestible.
@@_FLWRS its promo like RU-vid ads. if the audience is young, they might follow whatever the streamer does. I don't think streamers have the same influence as adam22 had in the past where if a small artist came onto his show, they were guaranteed to blow up. we haven't seen any streamer do that its possible.
You think an hour stream where the audience tunes in to watch someone they’ve invested a large amount of time into is equivalent to a skippable RU-vid ad?Streamer audiences in general are young but it’s still a huge market. A very impressionable one at that. Were not talking about a casual passerby here we’re taking about dedicated audience members.
@@_FLWRS they are more like podcast in a way it's not like streamers are going to make an artist that isn't popular, popular the same way adam22 was able to do in the past. an already popular artist doesn't need a streamer it's just another promotional tool same with RU-vid adds it's possible, but we haven't seen it happen. The streaming world is a niche place it's not as big as people think it is and its top heavy. I could be wrong the only way of knowing if going live with a streamer has a big effect on an artist would be by seeing the before and after of the artist songs streams. the artist/rapper would have to be someone who is not already popping and doesn't already have a popular song.
I’m not sure what stream you’re watching but podcasts are not even close to the same. A stream is an interactive experience. People subscribe specifically to that person and can speak with them,it’s much more intimate.This is not a passive experience like a podcast is. Artist tend to go on streams before big releases. Like Nicki Minaj just did. Not because they have no fan bases but to expand it. Kai has a massive audience that are willing to show up and out for him. So much so that he almost got charged for his fans actions. Record labels don’t leave things up to chance so generally speaking if they keep letting their artist do them it’s affecting the bottom line. Especially first week sales. Also who did Adam put on?
Kai just earned my respect even more there! I consider myself a huge Drake Stan, have been since before he even blew up. But even I can admit not every song is good, now 80-90% are good though lol. But I do hate when people act like he makes less than 60% good.
Love Drake. There’s definitely a group of people that love to hate universally loved things. I should’ve addressed that too. I think we can all agree toosie slide wasn’t it
The people that you might think he makes less than 60% are folks that have been listening to him since 2009 or earlier. Tbh, he's been on a serious devoted quest of destroying his discography from the beginning of this decade. He was on pace of doing that since 2016, but since the 2020's came in he's been relentless with low effort music, from replicating whatever's hot on the radio, corny bars, lazy writing, lazy singing, mimicking or biting the hottest artists (aspiring and upcoming), hopping on waves and trends. Dude's the polar opposite of what he aspired to become by now back in early 2010's. Dude went from doing great bodies of work derived from his experiences and thoughts, to pandering playlists where you have to nitpick 3 or 4 songs that are decent. It's not our fault that less than 60% of his catalog is good, it's his fault, he became a content creator because it's y'all that gas him up, and yet y'all don't even give a chance to whoever he mimicks, bites and impersonates (at the most obnoxious way) which is quite ironic. 80-90% was accurate back in 2018/2019, because bow this dude's been pumping up more garbage and mediocrity than anything else, and it's sad tbh...
They’re not acting, people may just not like the music. The video literally prefaces being able to respect people’s opinion. If someone says they don’t like an album that doesn’t make them a hater.
No where near as rampant. It was almost impossible to be popular without some kind of talent or serious money back then because you had no way to market yourself. If you were doing shows with no one showing up you weren’t gettin signed. If your demo didn’t hit the right A&R you didn’t get signed. Would you like to give an example though
Vanilla ice wasn’t popular they made him to capitalize on rap music at the time. Kid rock had a good following before he got signed. He was already performing at shows. Popular nowadays means the song goes up on tik tok or other media and the label signs them off of that. These artist nowadays do not have a following before getting signed which is why no one up shows up for their shows after the hype dies out. Kid also had a demo tape
It also take zero skill to release a piece of work if no one is allowed to criticize it because who’s the judge of skill? Peers and audiences. If you would take someone someone’s nasty food because of the “chef” they are then that means you’re afraid to go against the status quo and probably don’t have any opinions of your own.
@_FLWRS what qualifies a judge???? What skill forms your critique? Aren't u just looking from ur pov? It's cool to be a critic sucks to be a fan. Do you make music???? I agree with the premise it's just a opinion and everyone is entitled , but when we as a society elevate tastemakers that have no skill that can make effortless content that completely ruins some artists rollout its weird to side with that. Shawn Cee for example drake shouldn't bring up people idk............ Fantano doesn't have a rap song in his top 5 , yet is a top 5 opinion on rap music. I'm not saying you should have to make music to have opinion but I think the appeal comes from the idea anyone can do what critics do like spoiled brats this is good this isnt not everyone can make "good" music. The same way your video points out all this microwave music yet doesn't point out microwave streamers.
@@BIGOLDMANNAMEDTERRY what qualifies a judge in this case is that they have the knowledge and a reference. Looking from my POV is the point. They’re YOUR thoughts.This is not a scored sport it’s all opinion. Having an opinion is the only necessary quality for judging music and it should stay that way. Otherwise we keep moving the goal posts and we’re back to no one being able to judge. “Hey I didn’t like your work” “Well do you make music” “Yes and I compose” “Well is your music good” It’s just goes in a cycle so the artist can invalidate their response. Like if I said right now “we’ll your opinion doesn’t matter because you don’t have a RU-vid channel” that side steps your response. The issue becomes about the critic because people don’t like them but if they said your favorite album was good there would be no problem. The people made fantano an authority can’t take it back now. All you can do is articulate why you disagree. But I find that’s difficult for most people so they flounder for a reason to,again discredit.
@_FLWRS so we give the power to the Yelp Reviewers. Lol the entitlement .. n yes if u like the streamer therefore now give there opinion more power. I wouldnt tell u about your youtube channel if I haven't started one cause thats spoken from idealist ignorance , like this is how u should do it although never having done it myself. artist u dont get to know through hours of long winded explanations , u get to know them thru the music. Joe Budden for example wasnt competing with anyone musically now that he can just talk shit all of sudden his opinion is some factor. At the end of the day Music means something , ur opinion doesn't. Ur opinion and pallete evolve with time. Would hate for artists to not get a look cause u haven't matured into that wave. Critics more often than not get it wrong. Can u name any critics from the 70s??? Can u name any artists???? This illusion that people just agree with fantanos opinion is all summed on the MIT study on the illusion of power.. critics tell people what to think.. n sheep just start to think that way n agree cause a hipster on youtube said this is coo. I hope artist don't conform to critics n continue to follow there own compass . Anyway agree to disagree. Great video tho thought provoking n good edit
Yes I will give power to the public to decide what they want to hear and give their opinions on it lmfao. Are you talking about before the internet? Critics in the 70s were the tabloids and magazines. In the 80s-90s it started becoming the radio hosts and talk shows. Then it was the internet bloggers like Hot new hip hop and datpiff. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and people can agree or disagree with you that’s how it stays fair. People don’t mindlessly stumble across fantanos page and go “oh ok I will take this and run with it”. Hence yourself who obviously saw a review and disagreed with it. They’ve built a relationship with his reviews at this point so they trust him.
I love Drake, Nicki and lil Uzi vert but nobody wants a 20 + album with minimum effort. I honestly thought Lil Yachy was gonna fall off as soon as heard him back in 2016. He called biggie overrated in 2017 but after that he’s gone back and studied hip hop and other genres because he cares about his craft. They thought Lil baby was gonna overtake drake in popularity but that momentum is lost because unlike drake he can’t progress and make different music. I hope Lil Baby and Lil durk will try to take their music in another direction. lil durk actually sounds great on jazz and boom bap beats.
