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HO Model Train Layout Built for Operations & Realism UPRR Evanston Sub. Staging Yard Curves S2021E08 

The HO Scale Union Pacific Railroad - Evanston Sub
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@MLWQC
@MLWQC 3 года назад
That is a great start. Nice broad curves and great prototype.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks!
@ictmainline9273
@ictmainline9273 3 года назад
I'm excited to see how our layout comes along. Great update.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks!
@pkilznah5353
@pkilznah5353 3 года назад
It’s AWESOME being able to follow along from the beginning. Great work, great video, great voice over, and great editing! That basement is huge!!✊ And yep Lombard is the place to go 🚂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💵💵
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks so much!
@conrailfan6277
@conrailfan6277 3 года назад
Thanks for the update Daryl, that will be a nice staging yard!!!!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks
@BensTrainsChannel
@BensTrainsChannel 3 года назад
Excited to see your progress!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Me too!
@alainaarrhodge5900
@alainaarrhodge5900 2 года назад
In the future, anytime you have to do a curve, make yourself a jig using a piece of 1"x2" wood material. Then, create your pivot point that will forever be a pivot point, measure up the stick for your various radi and drill a hole large enough for a pencil/pen to fit through. Then you'll never have to worry about whether your string/ribbon is flexing or not and because of the thickness of the board you'll know your pencil/pen is always perpendicular to the board. Also, for your curves, don't forget to allow an easement when transitioning back to a straight-a-way or a reversing curve to help prevent derailments and track kinking. Another hot tip I've learned, 2"x2" lumber makes great legs and you can drill a hole into it, hammer a threaded nut/molly into the end and then use a bolt with a domed end as the base. This allows the wood to stay off the concrete and be height adjustable as well. I know I'm a few months late, but hopefully this will help future project and other readers. Enjoying your progress!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 2 года назад
Check later videos. I have been using a long narrow piece of plywood to draw radii. Definitely works better than string. Don't really have a need for the bolt adjustments as the layout will be stationary. Just need to make certain things are level when installed.
@Wawa111_Mainline
@Wawa111_Mainline 3 года назад
Scale trains recommends 26in curves for the auto racks so the 28.5 should work
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Going with 31.625" minimum for the staging yard.
@ianroberts6929
@ianroberts6929 3 года назад
Great progress, I'm really enjoying watching from here in the UK!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Awesome! Thank you!
@chrisshoulders4066
@chrisshoulders4066 3 года назад
Awesome progress, you'll be fine on the Auto racks no worries for that 28 inch radius curves .
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks
@TheLocutus70
@TheLocutus70 3 года назад
Well damn, I've been buying stuff from Model train stuff, but now i think i'll look at Lombards. Thanks Darryl.
@daylightdave9405
@daylightdave9405 3 года назад
I buy from MTS too but I get free shipping but you have to order $1,500 p/yr for that, but I too am curious about Lombard to see what offer they have for shipping... 🤔🤗
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Free shipping on orders over $450
@ericp6612
@ericp6612 3 года назад
Exciting to see some benchwork going up!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Me too
@daylightdave9405
@daylightdave9405 3 года назад
You did a fabulous job on your deck in record time! I'm on my 9th layout and I just go w/ a standard 2 1/2" separation on curves it seems fine for long cars. For curves I use a flexible sewing measuring tape then you can just hold your marker up against your exact 'inch' measurement and there is no stretching either. On the UPRR I know in several places and for switches there is enough room to drive vehicles between the mainlines, straight or curved when areas are rebuilt. As a UP engineer I've witnessed that in a number of places. This may be an FRA mandate mainly for the safety aspect.. Good luck, take care and Happy Birthday!! 🍧🎂🤗🚂
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
ON the Evanston Sub there are numerous places with 15' track centers. Of course there are also lots of places with much greater separation in centers as well as grade.
@daylightdave9405
@daylightdave9405 3 года назад
@@EvanstonSub I look forward to your progress and thankyou for mentioning Lombard hobbies, I made an order w/ them last Wed @ 8am and by 4pm it was in the hands of UPS so thxs, I like MTS too.. take care David.. 🤗
@NorthernOhioRailroadAction
@NorthernOhioRailroadAction 3 года назад
Excellent video really enjoyed watching your video keep up the great work looking forward to seeing your next video soon
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks
@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853
@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853 3 года назад
Though an O-gauger, I subbed… looking forward to the build series replicating reality of this wonderful area.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Welcome aboard!
@WEUSANDCORR
@WEUSANDCORR 3 года назад
G'daye Daryl, 2 1/2 centres to 36"r, 2 1/4 over. Pulling auto racks no worries at 28 1/2 . Shoving need 30"r with walthers corners hit even at 29 1/2 when ya have string of 'em Cheers Les
@daylightdave9405
@daylightdave9405 3 года назад
Cheers were on the same page! 🤗
@WEUSANDCORR
@WEUSANDCORR 3 года назад
@@daylightdave9405 My Autorack train can be up to 10mtrs long and not as many curves as Daryl staging will have
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Some day there will be a video showing the my autoracks going though the curves. Hopefully soon.
@WEUSANDCORR
@WEUSANDCORR 3 года назад
@@EvanstonSub Been here following you for a long time Daryl Looking forward to seeing this build. Les
@ljones121
@ljones121 3 года назад
If you are doing auto racks and intermodal I'd suggest 30" radious curves, at least that's what Walthers suggested for their autoracks
@fernandobigozz
@fernandobigozz 3 года назад
40 inch curves for smooth run
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Mine are scaletrains. Not too many people have good things to say about walthers tracking ability.
@ljones121
@ljones121 3 года назад
@@EvanstonSub fair point, Walter's cars are definitely hit and miss
@Crookedriverandeasternrr
@Crookedriverandeasternrr 3 года назад
That’s a great looking deck
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks
@vincebreen3-55
@vincebreen3-55 Год назад
2 late now so to speak, but I found that super elevation of curves helps preventing tipping also.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub Год назад
Actually, they make tipping more likely as their purpose it to prevent the prototype from tipping in the other direction.
@stewarttrains98
@stewarttrains98 3 года назад
I want to say yes but testing will tell. I do definitely recommend adding additional weight to all cars just so they track better. I do an ounce per 10 ft. Up to 60 feet then trim back 1/2 ounce or so over 60. But it's your railroad so that's your decision.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks for the input.
@jefferykeeper9034
@jefferykeeper9034 3 года назад
I used a 4foot aluminum measuring stick drilled a pivot hole at the one in mark and then drilled holes for a pencil that the radius has I wanted give it a try you might like it.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Good idea.
@peterglen734
@peterglen734 3 года назад
go for the largest radius that you can fit, the look of larger radius curves is far more pleasing to the eye
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Since this is for the staging yard, I not too concerned about how they look.
@UPtrainguy76
@UPtrainguy76 3 года назад
I have one yard track that is 26 1/2" and those autoracks tend to jump the rail in that curve, but on the other end of the yard, they navigate 27" turns just fine.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Interesting. I think I should be good with 30.625" minimum.
@garynugent4400
@garynugent4400 3 года назад
Yaaaayyy! .... So it begans!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
My sentiments exactly.
@ConductorGoldy
@ConductorGoldy 3 года назад
I've tested SXT, Walthers, and IM racks on some 24" industry tracks. SXT and IM do perfectly fine bulled or shoved, the Walthers are fine pulled, but need an upgrade to longshank couplers to be shoved (at least some of the older 'Gold Line' ones as I do not have new ones to test). So yes, 28" is plenty fine for both racks and intermodal wells/spines.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks
@JasperWest
@JasperWest 3 года назад
Maybe it is worth checking the middle overhang of a auto rack car on the second track with the outside overhang of a (steam) locomotive on the inner track. If you want to run a Big Boy steam excursion train for example. That would be the worst case situation... By the way: I run my Walthers passenger cars on a superelevated 579mm (22.8 inch) radius curve on the outside and my Märklin Big Boy steam locomotive on the inside 515mm (20.3 inch) curve (distance between tracks of 64mm or 2.53 inches) whitout any issues. I'm modelling the part between Cheyenne and Laramie around the 50's so your layout video's (espacially the landscaping) are very interesting to follow for me. Good luck whit the rest of the construction! Cheers from the Netherlands.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
I never thought about steam excursion trains.
@jeffherdzina6716
@jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад
Congrats on the retirement !
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Thanks, it's awesome
@Signal1072
@Signal1072 3 года назад
0:43 Nobody seems to have noticed the engineer giving a friendly flash 😂
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
I saw it when it happened 😊
@thomasboese3793
@thomasboese3793 3 года назад
Have you considered transition curves at the beginnings/ends of the curves? They will help in both looks and overall performance of operations. You may want to invest in a set of Furniture Sliders for the "movable staging yard" legs. They will allow the yard to be moved with very little effort over any surface. The longer the train, the larger the radii needed for best performance. Yes, the manufacturers state radius xx with car type xzy, but are you running a short 2 or 3 car train? Radii, a simple rule of thumb: for prototype looks, 3.5 times the length of the longest non-articulated piece of rolling stock. For hidden areas, 2 times the length of the longest non-articulated piece of rolling stock. (Great starting point for helix radii.) For very short, non-s-curve areas, 1.75 times the length of the longest non-articulated piece of rolling stock. For most of us, ETTX auto racks at 93' 10" are the longest item we have. I do not know if the cab-to-pilot of a Big Boy is longer or not. If it is use the Big Boy's engine without the tender for the length. Double track and yard spacing: Depends on the railroad and the time frame being modeled. Like turnouts, as equipment got bigger, so did everything else. When I was part of a HO club, we decided on 2-7/8" centers for all hidden yard tracks. Wide enough to let everything pass each other no matter the radii, and get fingers onto equipment as needed. Spacing on the mainline was pre-set to 2", and 2-3/8" on the curves, but as the track was laid it was spaced tighter/looser as needed based on two sets of two long cars passing so it both looked and operated well.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Furniture sliders. Great idea.
@aliciaawake
@aliciaawake 3 года назад
Hei, Daryl! Thanks, Thomas, for asking about transition curves (easements). Should superelevation be considered, or is it not a problem in staging yards where train speeds will be fairly slow? Thanks.
@donaldshroyer8633
@donaldshroyer8633 3 года назад
You can still redesign this S curve staging yard with larger radius curves at the top of the track plan shown using a 45 angle through the partition under the stairs. Your auto racks will then have a better time of it on the several right side tracks.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Yes, I am already planning to use more of an angle through the partition. Not sure if it will be 45. Maybe 30.
@CONTAINERMAN68
@CONTAINERMAN68 3 года назад
My bell was turned off? You could hedge used rolling caster wheels with locks for your staging yard. If I would have known that you were selling, I would have bought like 3 or 4 complete unit well car trains from you!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
I'm selling all my stuff at uprr-geneva-sub.square.site/ I still have some well car sets left.
@jdtII
@jdtII 3 года назад
I did 24 inch radius curves with a 2 inch center and my auto racks rub on my other trains If I were to do it again I would do it at 2 1/2 inch centers also I have a switch back in my layout that is 60 inches wide and if I do not have a helper locomotive in the middle I will Derail my auto racks
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Good to know. Thanks
@peggbegg
@peggbegg 3 года назад
Do you still have the signals used on your N scale layout at Rochelle? I am making my own version of rochelle here in uk and wondered if those signals were still available before i go getting some made?
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Yes. I am planning to post them to my N scale clearance sale site in early October. uprr-geneva-sub.square.site/
@charlierumsfeld6626
@charlierumsfeld6626 3 года назад
I learned that when laying multiple tracks on a curve to outline center of first (inside) track first then lay or outline each following track toward the outside of the curve. You did it opposite of this idea. Also how fat are your fingers? You should include clearance for your hands in case of derails or other issues you may encounter and have to handle cars there.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Hopefully there won't be derailments.
@matthewhancock2127
@matthewhancock2127 3 года назад
Just curious, but why the switch from N gauge to HO Gauge?
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Something different. Plus, I have 2200 sq ft to work with.
@Wawa111_Mainline
@Wawa111_Mainline 3 года назад
Your building your layout at the same time irm is starting their molded railroad exhibits
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
What's irm?
@whew5
@whew5 3 года назад
It gets harder every year. At 68 I only get on the floor if absolutely need to.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Yep.
@chatanugadotorg
@chatanugadotorg 3 года назад
My layout has 32- and slightly over 34-inch radius curves on the corner sections. I've run Walthers, Accurail, and Atlas autoracks on both tracks with no issues. I've even had one train of all Walthers autoracks that went around the entire layout on the inside main (32-inch curves) with the locomotives only about six inches from the back of the caboose. This is the second longest train I've run: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EkFBuuIqpi8.html
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Very cool. Thanks for the input.
@moregltfirephotography4857
@moregltfirephotography4857 3 года назад
Very nice so far! Just an opinion from my experience unless its old walther's (pre 2000s) there rolling stock sucks the trucks and weight of cars are terrible all my walthers cars have problems where all my others don't all there cars cars and locos are also very under detailed
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Seems to be a common thread about walthers.
@dennisb-trains23
@dennisb-trains23 3 года назад
Did someone say PRR??♥❤
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Wasn't me.
@needs2quit1atgmail87
@needs2quit1atgmail87 3 года назад
You need thicker plywood. Your not leaving yourself enough leeway with shrinkage and sag
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
I have built many layouts over the 50+ years in the hobby. 3/8" plywood supported at 12" minimum has always worked perfectly with no warpage.
@TheLocutus70
@TheLocutus70 3 года назад
I've seen an articulated autorack at my local hobby store and it says on the box that it needs a 22" radius, so it should work for you.
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
I think non articulated autoracks need more space.
@alex-pd9bb
@alex-pd9bb 3 года назад
Hello!!
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
Hi
@charleselmore3999
@charleselmore3999 3 года назад
33 inch or better for auto racks that what I have more realistic and they run better
@EvanstonSub
@EvanstonSub 3 года назад
The mainline will have a minimum radius of 40" This is a discussion of minimum radius for the staging yard.
@charleselmore3999
@charleselmore3999 3 года назад
@@EvanstonSub because I model Utah also the Provo division and all my curves are 33 and above and I run auto and 89ft
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