Hoi4 Alternate History: What if Nationalist China WON The Civil War? 

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Im legitimately suprised you actually decided to go through with it. Especially with a Nationalist Rework coming in the 0.4 update. Still major fucking props good job stak

What if Gorbachev could finish his reforms on the Soviet Union and prevent a total collapse?

Welp, I think now is the good question on "If the Ottomans were more competent during ww1" since thats the second most liked suggestion? anyone?

What if the Stresa front was successful? (Italy🇮🇹 France🇫🇷 Britain🇬🇧 against Germany🇩🇪 to defend Austria 🇦🇹) Please it's my favorite alternative scenario and there aren't many good videos on it

A possibly good What If could be: What if the Warsaw Uprising was Successful (I know realistically the soviets would probably come in and crush them/take over) Just thought it would be kinda cool to learn the possibility of its success.

We reclaiming the mainland with this one

Stak, I don't think you give Chiang Kai Chek enough credit. The man knew things like land reform were necessary, but he also knew that engaging in reforms while the chaos of the Chinese Civil War and the 2nd Sino-Japanese War was foolish when he needed to balance the various interests within his government. And of course once the conflicts were over and Chiang started to engage those reforms, you are absolutely right that they would be relatively limited and take place in fits and starts. But Chiang definitely would've done so. The man was no fool. He knew the benefits of land reform, if only in a limited capacity. It can be very difficult to separate the man from the state he governed. China of the 1930s and 40s was horribly backward and corrupt and Chiang knew this needed to be fixed if China was to survive and ultimately thrive. The funny thing about the Communists as compared to the KMT, they didn't need to work within the preexisting system in order to implement reforms, whereas the KMT did.

(Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?

Possible History idea: What if Hirohito had the power to accomplish his goals instead of being a puppet

What if puyi united china day 4

colonel cam actually defended shanghai and did this legit

you should've waited until the 0.4 update for this one.

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Winning the civil war is really easy if you just use the cancel retreat trick where you can use ctrl+shift+alt+click to make your retreating divisions attack the enemy. Though your divisions lose all their org and take a beating, once they stop attacking, they don’t rejoin whatever defensive combat they were retreating from until said combat is over, allowing your divisions to recover org in Shanghai when otherwise it would be impossible to do so. I only fell back from the Gobi desert and a few tiles in Anhui to shorten the line, then had 4-9 divisions per tile depending on terrain and attack directions, and 2-3 divisions per tile with the unplanned offensive modifier. Lasting the 50 days necessary is just a matter of watching your lines and cancelling any retreats you see the moment they start.

Okay. Go back to this mod one day, and see if the August Coup against Boris Yelstin in 1991 was a success?

Hello stakuyi! I'm one of the writers for this mod and am happy to inform you that China is getting a massive overhaul in the next update, which is why the Nationalist Focus Tree looks so messy; it's the old one.

Nationalist China, known in our timeline as both Taiwan, and the True Republic of China.

What if South Vietnam won the Vietnam War?

There's one smart thing I think Chiang Kai Chek could have done to secure a lot of loyalty from the warlords AND improve relations with the west. During the wars leading up to 1949 (you covered this in the history behind the Chinese economic crisis) was that the various warlords paid for their troops and equipment with promisary notes to outside powers (the warlord bonds I think they were called). This was debt that had to be later recognized by the CCP in order to enter the global financial community. What Chang COULD have done was offer to take on the debt of the warlords in lieu of actual cash payments, thus basically bribing them with a clean slate in exchange for loyalty, and not deepening the economic crisis as the state would have had to pay it anyways. This does several things that would help the autocratic government maintain control: 1. The bribes help prop up warlord loyalty because well...they're bribes. 2. centralizing the debt to the state itself probably would significantly boost economic investment because it means that the investors only have to deal with one major debt holder which is an actual government rather than dozens of warlords... increasing the ease of acquiring payments back on those debt. 3. If the state is holding all of the debt these warlords accrued, then you end up with almost a hostage debtor situation where debtor countries like the United States don't want to lose out on their investment, and so they would be more willing to invest even more funds/assistance to the Chinese Republic in order to make sure the state stays around to make good on that debt payment. You can't collect debt from the corpse of a nation. 4. with the central government receiving increased investments, this may incentivize even more warlord stability as the Warlords know that the central government is the one getting the money from outside countries, so staying loyal means a steady paycheck. This wouldn't be a magic bullet, but it would likely be a proactive move that would payback massive dividends. Great video as always Stak. Can't wait for the next one.

What if the Allies acutally went for Operation: Unthinkable? As well, unthinkable, as the idea was, i think it would be interesting to think about how it would pan out.

YES, HE PLAYED COLD WAR: IRON CURTAIN. Best hoi4 mod by far.

Can you make a what if video where Portugal honors its alliance with the UK and joins ww2?

What if Hungary joined the allies? Day#2

Colonel cam managed to actually defend Shanghai tho, without cmds

What if america aligned with germany in ww1

What if France and Britain intervened against Germanys earlier „diplomatic“ moves?

This series is going great so far, i love how you make it realistic as can be

What if McArthur got his way and the US & allies invaded China during the Korean war?

Yes! I was hoping you'd do a video on this just a couple hours ago but I didn't think you would. Great to see! Well done!

One thing that most don’t mention was the history between the CCP and the KMT. The leadership of both sides were all alumni and sometimes even classmates from the Huangpu military academy (the kmt accepted military training from the soviets in the early days before Chang Kai purged them). This made it incredibly easy for kmt generals to defect, after all, your classmates will never kill you. After the war, people found out that many of Chang Kai’s general staff where sympathetic to the CCP all along. It’s no wonder they lost.

What if Scandinavia had united during ww2 and helped the most logical choice? (I know it's a very unrealistic idea, but I'm asking again)

You should try kalterkrieg the new kaiserreich cold war mod

What if a dominion tried to break free during the second world war ( your choice)

What if the Tsar remained in power in Russia (Great War Redux mod)?

What if Italy had stayed with the central powers during WW1?

I believe there is a popular thing in Chinese civil war alternate history regarding the KMT offensive on Harbin being halted under US pressure, which killed off the KMT momentum that should've if continued crushed the communists out of their base in Harbin, and thus denying them a vital stronghold.

Idea: What if Finland fell in the winter war? (Could be done by play Finland fall to the USSR then use console command to switch to USSR)

What if the Dutch weren't neutral in ww1. What side would they most likely join?

Ive been waiting for this one!

Hard to believe Stakuyi shot himself 20 times in the back of the head then managed to hang himself by the legs from a bamboo tree in china afterwards. Guy mustve had some major demons.

All it would have taken is “Truman and the state department didn’t arrange for Mao to win”.

If Mongolia was not a poppet state of the ussr?

What if the British and French allied with Italy and they accualy did somthing during the fony war

I love these videos not because I care for watching hoi4 videos but because of the history and story telling.

i LOVE this series!

One China-related question I would have is “What if Sun Yat Sen didn’t hand over his presidency?”

YAYYY STAKUYI PLAYING COLD WAR CHINA

What if Hitler never took power of Germany in 1933?

Could you possibly do "what if greece joined the cental powers" in the great war redux sir that would make me very happy

What if Canada maximized its military industry and tried to take territory in WW2?

What if Poland unified with Romania under King Michael and unified Central Europe to defend against the Soviet Union and Hitler's Germany? (Yes, this time you can maximize game mechanics given how ahistorical/unlikely the regenecy ending in Poland was.)

Yo Stakuyi, love what you do mam, keep it up!!

Great Video! I've only held Shanghai once, its easier with the Kuomintang expansion mod that I heard will be eventually brought into the main mod of Iron Curtain, but it seriously is a struggle.

What if the Japanese and the Nazis extensively supported the Azad Hind Fauj (Free India Army) of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose to defeat or at least wreak havoc on British India during WW2.

could you redo Old World Blues again? possibly with the enclave reborn redux mod (you can do either puritist or reformist) I recently finally got Hoi4 and been playing a lot of the OWB mod, and did a puritist run for the enclave, and think it would be cool to see my favourite hearts of iron/ history youtuber do it

What if Japan, not Germany, won World War II? And i'll not stop until this video WILL be made Stakuyi!

Video 18 of asking stakuyi to play as the Katzenartig Imperium in equestria at war It is an april fools collaboration between the devs from EaW and the devs from the stellaris mod Gigastructural Engineering, the nation is the kingdom of abyssinia, you play as Kaiser Kattail, who has just arrived from another reality and attempts to take over the world utilizing his knowledge of mechanized warfare and megastructures to give his empire a gigantic edge. (for his focus tree to show up, you have to enable it at the game rules menu at the bottom)

Thea scenario of a ROC China is something deeply fascinating. It obviously would’ve lead China into so many different futures, with the democratization Sun Yat-Sen had always yearned for being one of those possibilities. I’ve played the mod myself and for each decade, there is a new tech tree to follow. I think it would be great if you continued on this timeline and extended it to the 80s to 90s, going over the rise of democratic movements in Asia, the fall of the Communist sphere and how ROC China would’ve navigated and experienced it.

Ah, dear God, WHY do post-WW2 modders love using neon colors in their UIs? They are so hard to look at.

No one would've voted for this if they realized it was a cold-war mod video

What if swedish empire survived and won or made a white peace with russia in the great northen war. Use The great war redux

I was waiting for this one for a time

Love these. You never finished your portugal eu4 guide. I neeeeed it.

What if an American town got transported to 400 years in the Past? (Ring of Fire mod)

I remember watching Colonel Cam doing this and he actually managed to do this legit. Though it took him multiple days and retries before he was able to hold Shanghai long enough to be able to get rid of the debuffs. After that he just kept South China and waited until the communists started having gaps in the lines before finally doing counterattacks and taking back china.

What if North Korea wan the Korean war?

m gonna continue on with requesting this: What if Oswald Mosley and the BUF won power in WW2?

This mod seems like a fun challenge. Imma give nationalist china a try

The assumption on what Chiang was and what he would do in this alternate time line is very biased and based on anti-Chiang sentiments that really did not have any real basis in fact. Many of these assumptions about how corrupt and dictatorial Chiang was came from Stilwell who hated Chiang for personal reasons. After Stilwell was removed, US government had a much better relation when Wedemeyer was in office. Chiang directed reforms such as land reforms and held local elections right after 1949 after the government retreated to Taiwan. If the war turned into a north/south split, Chiang would still have gone the routes of gradual reforms. In fact, that was exactly what Chiang and the Nationalists planned to do. The gradual reforms and political opening laid out by Sun Yat-Sen. Without the wars against Japan and the Communists, the Nationalist would have done just that. Even during the war, Chiang planned to do so after the war ended. Li Zhong-ren do not have the support if Chiang was able to fight the communists to a split. Also, Chiang's relationship to the US is not bad, considering Madam Chiang and the relationship to US generals such as Chennault. Yes, there are many people in the State Dept that hated Chiang, but if Chiang can for the communists to stay in the Northeast, then things might change. And don't forget Chiang was a devout Christian who welcomed Christian influences and missionaries to China. He encouraged Christianity in Taiwan throughout his life. So it is more likely in this scenario for Chiang to lead China on a path of gradual reforms, such as land reform and political reform. And the land that the peasants get would truly stay theirs, unlike the Communists who took back all the land that they gave out.

Brandon Herrara and Brandon Frasier and Ron Swanson had a baby, and this is him.

If the Nationalists had won, Video Cards, CPUs and everything PC related would be incredibly cheap. As the technology would be for the entire China to produce, not just a small island.

What if the Russian Revolution failed? This can create interesting paths, from involvement in China, to how they would function after winning WW1.

Theres another version of this mod? I saw one where manchuria was still ocuppied by soviets and with pp you could take it all and meanwhile you had to solve internal problems with the two powerfoul familys

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I want to see an alternative history where we just let McArthur go at it.

video 1 of asking stak to play equestria at war as star-father hiram zerranid in colthaginian republic. (same-ish steps to getting stacked cookies but choose the covenant instead of the united republican front)

What if... The allies invaded through Greece instead of Italy?

Hey Stakuyi, there is a new mod for Hoi4 called Kalterkreig: Shadow of the Second Weltkrieg. The premise is from Kaiserreich. The idea is, "What if Germany won WW1 and WW2?" It is like Cold War mod for Kaiserreich because of this.

Stakuyi you should get the State Transfer Tool mod even in your non-modded playthroughs so you can make more realistic peace deals. Since there have been a few incidents where the game screwed you over in terms of historical accuracy, I figured this might help. It can also (if I remember right) demilitarize states and things like that for better RP.

What if Sweden reconquered the entire Baltic and proclaim the new Swedish empire

Legitimately want to see operation unthinkable happen.

Video THREE of asking for What if Vietnam broke free from France and got its revenge?

I do like the alt history vids, love it

So i have been preparing for this exam called jee in the hellhole called india and your videos are unironically one of the things that has helped to get through the last 1.5 years

I still would love to see a competent Ottoman video at some point. But I'm excited for this one!

should've played the ROC submod, makes holding a lot easier

Stakuyi, I do actually believe that you have the skill to defend shanghai it usually does take a couple of attempts but it would make a good video.

There needs to be a victoria 3 sytle game from mid cold wat to modern 2010s, we say so much during this time.

What if the Taiping Rebellion won in China in the Victorian Era (use the 'end of a new beginning' mod)

I've always wondered what if Germany did not violate Belgium neutrality in WW1? Would that not have avoided British entry into the war?

Random military history question. What did naval warfare look like before gunpowder?

Now this is some good stuff

Isn't it a funny coincidence that the backbone of Mao's military power in 1945-1949 were territories "previously" controlled by USSR and later on used to prepare for Korean War?😅

I think there‘s lots of scenarios of the older polls I‘d like to see. Why not do a poll where you take the second-most voted option of the past few polls?

I doubt a video on if the anarchist won the Spanish civil war will be made but one can wonder

what if quisling succseeded

I’m eager to see him try kaiserreich

@stakuyi what if operation valkyrie succeded ?? how does ww2 end and how Germany rebuilds leading into hoe different europe might be in the cold war

The RU-vidr Colonel Cam managed to hold Shanghai and I think he did it without cheats but I’m not entirely sure about that