Homophobia in Gotham: A Video Essay 

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"Is it gay to be obsessed with killing a man" Hannibal would say yes Edit: HOLY CRAP HOW DID I GET SO MANY LIKES??

I would like to point out that the wlw “couple” kissed every five minuets but the mlm “couple” only gets a hug. WHY!?

Penguin and riddler had legitimately the best chemistry in the show, so why did we have to spend most of it watching them trying to kill each other?

If I remember correctly the writers wanted Ed and Penguin to end up together, or at least hint at them being together. But big ol' corporate said 'nah, they're brothers'.

Did they literally want us to root for the “falling in love with a clone of my dead ex”???

Just realized this show had three characters named Lee, Harvey and Oswald.

i'm gonna be real, i entirely forgot about the sequence where ed genuinely and legitimately just. hallucinates oswald in the burlesque dream sequence??? i completely fucking repressed that, holy fuck gotham was off its SHIT.

Penguin singing about Riddler being in his guts? That is gay culture

I think another contributing factor is that Gotham aired on FOX who has a track record of things like this, I know the actors for Penguin and Riddler both wanted it to happen as well as a couple of the writers and other cast members but network interference may have prohibited them form ever showing anything concrete.

no straight man is THAT committed to an aesthetic

gothams homophobia was like 4d chess

This tea is scalding. I love the contrast you made abt the wlw and mlm ships (physical not emotional, emotional not physical , respectively) which made me understand a little clearer exactly WHY the ships writing don’t feel fulfilling.

It *kills* me that the same sex woman couple are allowed to be physically intimate but the most the same sex men get is a hug.

It's incredibly cool to hear a bisexual woman discuss the problems with the way writers portray bisexual women on television. I look forward to hearing more from your perspective!

Btw, the whole plot with the clone of Edward’s girlfriend is a straight up homage to Alfred Hitchcock’s ‘Vertigo’ where Kim Novak plays an iced blonde who falls in love with Jimmy Stewart and then dies. (Notice how both the Gotham character and Kim Novak’s Madeline have the vertigo swirl to their hair.). In ‘Vertigo’ Stewart’s character finds a brunette Woman who looks like Kim Novak, and he forces her to dress up like the dead woman and die her hair blonde with a swirl. Obviously, there are reasons why this happens in Vertigo...since it’s written well. Also, the outfits, glasses, and even the woman appearing back-lit by a neon sign (which you can see when they are looking at wine bottles) are all lifted from Vertigo. Nothing wrong with homages, but...they should be motivated by something.

Finally someone calls out THE WAY GOTHAM TREATED TABITHA

as a bi lady, the wlw couples always gave me a bad vibe with how sexual and slow each kiss was and close in, it just feels like wlw were only there for the straight men the straight kisses and relations werent filmed the same way and it felt less porny, the mlm relationship only got a hug

Huh is almost like every wlw couples are made for the pure purpose to entretain hetero cis-male audience *I wonder why is that?*

The other thing about Ed and Oswald is in one of the last scenes of the show, when they are tied up by Batman, they are physically holding hands. Like, fingers intertwined, gripping tightly, holding hands. I love them so much and was so disappointed when the representation I thought they were going to bring to the show was not a mutual love story that was cannon. And the other thing I want to mention is that the people who made Gotham were not 100% homophobic themselves. At least two of the actors that I know of, Robin Lord Taylor (Penguin) and BD Wong (Dr. Strange) are both gay men in real life, and yet they both acted in the show. If the creators were really homophobic, neither one of them would be in there in the first place, and two of my favorite characters would never be the same. I think it was more the fact that Gotham was a public show put on cable TV every week for the whole of America and the rest of the world to see that the relationships were not explicitly shown in the series. The thing it all boils down to is that a lot of people are homophobic, and no matter how much we crave healthy gay relationships in the media, we may never get them, because for every lgbt person/ally, there are always going to be 10 homophobes/fetishists.

I haven't seen Gotham in a long time, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the way they wrote Ivy's character and aging her up made me high key uncomfortable from what I remember. I see a lot of people use this Ivy in Harley/Ivy edits and it just always reminds me that she was a literal child in the start of the show until they aged her body up.

I feel like this show just beat me to death, resurrected me, then spat on me and called me a slur

31:44 when the sexual tension is a little too high for your liking no but seriously tho, great video. as a gay who has seriously mixed feelings about gotham, you voiced all my thoughts perfectly.

As a straight person, I would have loved them actually getting together. It was build up to be deep and emotional, and yeah a bit murderous, but I would have gotten a lot more out of seeing that kind of relationship on screen, than Ed's new hook up for the week. I dont care what gender they character like as long as you make their relationships meaningful! Like I don't feel any less represented (not that straights need more of that) by them being gay. In fact I feel less represented by those short lived flings they called straight relationships.

Oh I’d love a video about the sexism, ableism and racism in the show

I’ve gotta admit this isn’t the first time I’ve spent a little under an hour watching a video about a show I know nothing about but this was one of the most interesting ones. The way themes and parallels were picked out was really well thought out and probably things I wouldn’t have noticed had I been a viewer of the show.

Yeah, the Isabela introduction was the worst part of the show. They should have made her a part of some "clone" plot twist or at the very least a figment of Ed's twisted imagination.

I feel so shitty after just watching this with no attachment to the charecters or the show i cant imagine how living through this might be. This is a great video, i hope to see more from you

What angered me about Tabatha was there was so much more potenital she was the abused member of a cult under her brothers power that could of worked if her phycology as a groomed follower who struggles for independence but has a bad habit of falling back into her old habits of letting others take control was something that was explorered on say the same level as Oswald's hunger for affection vs his need for adoration. And it being painted as this tragic thing. And yeah I hoped with the death of Barbra she'd finally get her due. I disagree though that her and Selena as a team up would of been bad for her character. If they did tabby justice exploring her trying to be an older sibling despite her own toxic upbringing through her relationship with Selena while propelling her forward as a kick ass mentor could exhance both their characters. I think putting her back with Barbra was the biggest mistake. Also the writers threw away the potential of a complex female child soilder storyline and I cann't even fathom what they were thinking. Also I think they wrote her as sexy badass lady but the reveal that her relationship to violence is very cult driven makes it way more complex. It was the thing that may of made her feel powerful but trapped her as Theo's tool.

never watched this show, so im not emotionally invested, but still seeing those Gotham friendship tweets felt like a punch in the gut. I am SO sorry yall. that is.....SO fucked.

It’s so sad cause I love Gotham. Like it’s such good acting, but gosh dang they were horrible with Ed and Oswald. Like you can’t tell me those two aren’t in love. In my head they’re just ace (but this is literally because of the show. I kinda think Oswald is) and they’re in a relationship in the future

And the fact that ed and Oswald are literally gay in real life just makes me think why didnt You guys make them gay in the show😤😤🖐️🖐️🤧🤧👁️👄👁️

RU-vid has already been deleting comments and I'm not sure why, so if you've left a comment and it's gone, please know I didn't delete it. I'm not sure what's going on with that, I'm sorry 😕EDIT: I’ve noticed the one common theme among the deleted comments is the use of the word q*eer. Which is annoying but I can’t figure out how to fix it. Try to avoid using that word or censor it in your comment so it doesn’t get deleted.

“Ed likes them thicc” I’M DEAD☠️☠️

i only watched the first season, but hearing how they treated gay and lesbian relationships makes me so sad and angry

So.... Are you gonna start selling "Death means nothing in Gotham" t-shirts or?

I think Oswald's actor suggested that if a woman had treated his character with the decency and support that Ed showed him, he would have likely fallen for her as well. So Gotham's version of the Penguin could be bisexual.

Ya no straight person will casually wear bright green. Just no it’s not possible

I literally have never seen Gotham and found this because I was bored and looked through whatever the fuck ed and penguins ship name is in not spelling that because of a Hannibal gif it was connected to but anyway just from the clips in this video this show seems very 1960s batman campy and I have no clue why. Anyway, I'm only halfway through but I love the video so far and thank you for satisfying my need to watch video essays where people drag shows I will never watch.

All of these scenes of Ed and Oswald being sweet to each other are so cute. Almost makes you forget they're mass murdering crimelords. EDIT: Oh, yeah, and also how they end up killing and torturing each other. I had completely erased that arc from my memory.

ive never seen an episode of this show, but the part where gotham tweeted about the two women being best friends genuinely made me mad also that thing with Ed and the clone woman LITERALLY APPEARING OUT OF NOWHERE????

Great vid! Re the knife hug, I never really read it as them wanting to stab each other and not being able to go through with it, and more as a representation of trust. Both characters have been trying to kill each other in the past, plus both have been stabbed in the back numerous times both figuratively and literally but A LOT of people. They both have huge trust issues, and for warranted reasons. I always took that scene to read as them still being wary enough of each other that they're defensive going into the hug, like there's still a slight wibble of trust that one might be tricking the other. It's not "i wanna stab you but couldn't bring myself to do it", more "i think you might stab me, and bitch, if you do i'ma stab u back". But when the stab never comes from either, the relief is very obvious. It's a big moment of trust from both sides as they realise neither of them are tricking the other. They're not going into the hug with intent, they're going into it with tired defensiveness. It's a wall coming down for them. Edit: Also the sort of people who say representation doesn't matter in media and "who cares? they're fictional" are the same damn people who can't handle any character being shown as lgbtq+ or as a poc on screen. I mean, get over it, guys. It's just fiction ;P What they *mean* is they only want to see their world view.

me, who has never watched gotham: there's gay people in this show? me, twenty minutes into this video, watching the penguin/riddler clips: jesus cHRIST

I absolutely loved gotham as a teen, and I still do, but you did summarize all of my complaints about the relationships in the show. The only reason I watched the show in the first place was because I loved Penguin from an episode I saw. Watching him get backstabbed by Ed, even though Penguin kinda deserved it felt so horrible to me as a fan. It really was like the showrunners were spitting on the fans for shipping the two obviously in love dudes. At least I'm glad we got a semisweet ending with them two. Another thing I've seen commonly in various shows is that lesbians or bi girls are acceptable but having two gay/bi men is usually never acceptable. Like for example I've watched shows like shera or even okko with explicitly lesbian characters who kiss on screen and obviously love each other, but canonically gay characters never have a wedding or even kiss in almost every show, but just played off subtlety.

I hated the Ed and Lee thing But I did dig Lee's dark eyeliner Because it's the signature color of good girl gone evil haha

I loved this show, still do, but there really was missed potential during many storylines. I had never really picked up on the romantic tension between Oswald and Ed (I was just happy Oswald finally had someone to call a genuine friend), but watching this video made me realize how blind I was lmao. I was so immensely happy when I found out Penguin was going to be gay. As a gay man, I still am excited when I finally get some representation. I was sorely disappointed when Penguin never actually got a boyfriend (whether that be Ed or someone else). I will say, as a character that is often portrayed as one of those mob bosses that has pretty girls dancing in his clubs, I’m glad they steered away from enforcing the predatory stereotype of gay men even further by having him be in the company of hot, young guys. But that’s the bare minimum lol. I could have forgiven them for the cruel way in which Ed got his revenge on Oswald and the season of them trying to kill each other, if the final season would indeed have made them boyfriends. But honestly the set-up before Isabelle came into the picture was RIGHT THERE.

mlm characters: Staring into each other's eyes at the end of the season wlw characters: Literally already fucking in the first episode The straight male gaze is still active in a seemingly progressive show.

finally some good analysis of gotham

The funniest part about nygmobblepot is Tze Chun on twitter being pissed about not being able to make them gay as he could

As someone with an overall positive feeling about _Gotham_, I thought it was important that I also check out a video (that's 40min long) about its homophobia. And holy hell did I forget about the Kristen Kringle clone plot! They kinda just... brushed it under the rug, never explaining it. Overall, this did put into light the homophobic issues of the show that I did pick up on, but never quite fully grasp until now. That was enlightening, so thank you!

"Maybe he had an overdue book and things got out of hand" - Butch Gilzeen

I clicked on this video not even aware of this show's existance, did not expect to get so emotionally invested in the riddle man and penguin man's friends to enemies to friends to lovers arc, what a wasted opportunity, could've been the morally gray power couple of the century

I was listening to this in the background and actually did a double take when I found out Robin and Cory are LGBTQ, that makes so much sense why I related to them so much in the show.

Ive never seen Gotham, Im Marvel nerd but this video summarizes in words the way same sex pairing are too often portrayed : women get physical intimacy, men get emotional intimacy. They arent allowed to be whole human beings.

Hate everything about this, but especially the fact that the wlw couple is allowed physical intimacy but not emotional, but the mlm couple is allowed emotional intimacy, but not physical

I didn’t expect Oswald to fall for ed and I wouldn’t know what to think of such a change. But robin lord Taylor made me interested and believe penguin had a crush on riddler. And their chemistry actually made me ship them. I knew they wouldn’t make it canon because they were such big villains and main characters in the show and so many people would probably never be okay with it.

Edward looks like idubbbz

the number 1 reason why i stopped watching the show was how it treated its woman characters

This is like, basically one of the only special interests I have where this sort of critique doesn't send me into a panicky tail-spin, and your masterful handling of this subject kept me docile and calm through the entire video. If you ever decide to delve into Gotham's other issues or anything, I know that would be a video I'd enjoy. Good content!

didn't oswald's actor say if a woman took ed's place he'd still fall in love? making him bisexual?

OMG I literally yelled at my screen when they went for the hug instead of kissing.

As someone who never even finished the first season of gotham, I’m literally appalled by the Oswald-Ed storyline. It’s literally so cruel and really does come off as a gay man being tortured for being gay

3:20 - "Did they really just go 'oh, a man and a woman looked at each other...'" Yes, almost certainly. I used to think I didn't like romance subplots that much...and then I started seeing gay romances and liking at least 80% of them and realized how many straight romances are just "boy + girl = kiss" (and don't get me started on the ones that ought to be a horror movie). Shippers do the same lazy stuff with same-gender pairings, of course, but if it makes it into the actual text the writer usually put more than 10 seconds of thought into answering "why do these characters like each other?"

Honest oswald was what made me keep returning to the show. I was so sad at how much they wasted his potential.

This is a very good video. Well-made, well-structured and analytical. I'm surprised it doesn't have more views. I'm glad this popped up in my recommendations.

Discovered your channel with your analysis of destiel, which was beautifully done- then I saw that you had a video on Gotham and I'm hooked! I can't wait to see future videos from you!

I've never watched this show but this video was entertaining, good job on your first video essay! And woow Gotham sounds bad and tbh, pretty uncomfortable to watch, i'm sorry you at through that! i could tell in the first few minutes of this video that barbara and tabitha were treated with the male gaze in mind when they made out in front of a man.... Have the writers never MET a lesbian or bi woman? Your points about how ed and oswald are allowed to have an emotional relationship but not a physical one, and vise versa for barbara and tabitha were so good! I feel like those expectations is really common in media (and in real life too tbh) and that's such a succinct way to put it. I hope you're doing better and I'm looking forward to your next video, whenever you make it! :)

This was such a great video!! Definitely worth the watch!! The balance between informative, serious analysis and humor was great. Also, the point you made at the end, comparing the wlw and mlm relationships, was incredibly interesting and important. 47 minutes well spent.

As a writer, this really holds a mirror for me and makes me want to write my LGBT+ characters better. Edit: scratch that, it made me want to write my relationships in general better

Have you made a video on ivy and how her transformation/age up was also unnecessary and kinda problematic? I also didn't like that they did that .

I discovered you via your destiel video essay, and even though I’ve never seen this show beyond tumblr gigs, I really dig your analytical style. This essay is really compelling despite my having never seen the show. And you did well with how you discussed Tabitha, because WOW, all I know of this show is your bare bones description of the plot and even I can tell the way they treated her character was a mess of racism and homophobia. The way she was treated could probably be an essay on its own.

Oh yeah, the sabotaging of the Nygmobblepot relationship was the last straw for me. Looks like I dodged a bullet. Even Michael Cerveris as Professor Pyg couldn't lure me back.

It's been like an hour since I finished watching Gotham, and I loved it so much. I cried too because it was over and I needed it to go on. I was thinking that this is one of the best comic shows ever 10/10 loved it. Watched a few video essays, everything was still the same. And I've just finished watching this. Goddamn... Wow. Man, being woke has a cost, doesn't it? I hate so many things I loved about the show earlier. I first started this video thinking wtf what absolute crap, this is unreal, this show is amazing, the representation is great. Ma'am, I've been redpilled. I agree with everythiiiiiiing you've said, and yeah even tho I'm v idiotic, I had issues with "we're brother, a hug" too but damn that not stab scene won me over and I forgave everything. Also Tabby T_T Thank you very much for making this. I can't wait for more of your stuff. All the best of good luck raised to power infinity.

Being a lesbian, the homophobia broke my heart

Damn, this was your FIRST? It was amazing, video essays are something I wish I could do but I honestly have no confidence in my own words, this was amazing for a first essay though, holy shit. Earned my sub!

Not to mention when Barbra lost Tabitha and SPOILERS got pregnant with Jim’s baby she was a way less evil

I always had a weird feeling about the queerness in the show. It often felt like it was there to be edgy and to be shocking, not to show actual representation. Your video has reaffirmed my bad feelings. I don’t think the makers of the show did any of this intentionally, I think this is likely subconscious bias. But yeah, every lesbian kiss felt very much like a “BET YA DIDN’T SEE THAT COMING” moment

I had completely forgotten the Kristen-clone plotpoint and how there was no explaination at all to it. It seemed like there had to be, because her character was obviously tailor-made with the single purpose of ruining this relationship - life and coincidence don't create people like that for situations like this, but Gotham villains do, it was the whole plot of Falconi in season one. This clone was maybe the dumbest thing the show ever did, right up there with whatever Hugo Strange and Fish Mooney were up to after their original plots were through. Oh and not to mention making Poison Ivy a child in an adult body, who is then kind of seductive because that's what Poison Ivy does, but also not because she's an fing child. Well this went offtopic.

I agree there were homophobic undertones in the show, and queerbaiting. Women were making out all the time for male viewers. The relationship between Tabitha and Barbara was basically butchered. Canonical lesbian Montoya was reduced to a alcoholic pain in the ass for a few episodes then disappeared. The only mlm storyline was Penguin and Riddler, and it was butchered too by the Isabella storyline and the "we're brothers" line in season 5. How come Gordon gets to make out with every woman he meets but there's never been a gay kiss in the show? HOWEVER, I don't agree with some of the points that were made. Penguin as a gay man wasn't supposed to "change people's minds about gay people and relationships". Not every instance of gay representation has to be about liberation. In this case, it was assimilation: they never addressed it, he just happened to be gay. And honestly, I'm glad. Liberation stories matter, but for Oswald, it would have made no sense for him to have a coming out arc or something. He's always been unashamedly himself. And if you want to talk about "changing people's minds on gay people", what about the storyline with Martin? That challenged the idea that gay men shouldn't have young boys in their care, didn't it? You say yourself that Oswald wasn't punished because he gay, he was punished for being selfish, which made total sense for his character. It wasn't a gay man being predatory, it was a selfish killer being jealous. And that was made clear by the show, which kept insisting that Ed felt betrayed. Anyone who watches the betrayal storyline in season 3 and concludes that "gay love is pretadory and selfish, demands punishment" either hasn't watched the rest of the show and doesn't know how Oswald acts, either is overthinking, either is just very homophobic. Your friend who said "Ew, as if he wasn't creepy enough" has some issues. My main concern when I realized they were going to make Oswald gay wasn't that he was creepy, it was that they'd make him predatory or overly sexual. Which didn't happen. Queercoded villains have the implications that queer is evil, straight is good. But Oswald isn't queercoded, he's literally gay. He's not written as predatory: he never flirts with anyone and, by killing his love interest's lover, was just looking for his love to be requited. This isn't a subtly gay male villain being the face of everything society should fear, like Joker, this is a gay man existing. A gay man who, despite his evil deeds, was often written so that we'd feel empathy for him (unlike Joker). Yes, it's a shame the only gay man of the show was a villain. But the show *was* about villains, and Oswald was a beloved character.

The part about WLW relationships being allowed to express the relationship only physically, while MLM relationships are fixated emotionally is dead-on. Reminds me of Hannibal -- in which the primary MLM relationship never gets any physical intimacy beyond hugs (or intense staring) while the WLW relationship's first scene is them having sex. I love Hannibal a lot, way more than Gotham, but it's interesting to point out how this trope prevails even if created by a gay man.

Gordon trying and falling to stop crime is basically most if not all of Gordon's character development

I ain't even seen Gothem and I ship Edward and Oswald.

excellet essay, i can hardly believe this is your first video! i have been looking for an analysis like this for a long time and had many of the same thoughts, i love it! i get frustrated thinking about this show a lot, because it's kind of my comfort show and i'd love to simply file it under "bad as in badly written and good as in i like it", but so many of the things i like about it i find genuinely and unironically good, and yet i can't deny that it overall sucks ass. i think it's always going in 5 different directions at once and i'll never stop being baffeled at how much the different aspects vary in quality or how often they'll set something up and then just do absolutly nothing with it! (isabella is obviously the prime example of this, but i can think of so much more) it's infuriating! what were they even trying to do? i'll never get over it. i watched all of it when s5 was just coming out, so i guess my view of the s3 stuff is more in the bigger picture. you're right about what oswald goes through being too cruel to be justified really, but overall i almost found the plotpoint excusable, bc it is textually romantic and results in some great character development for both oswald and ed, that they both needed if they were ever to have a healthy relationship. they both go from idolizing the other, to only seeing the other's flaws, to accepting each other as they are and honestly that's great! it's interesting! it's compelling! ... except they refuse to let it be romantic. you see, i get why big tv shows are afraid to make their characters canonically gay. it sucks and i hate it, but i get it. but gotham? they're afraid of making a relationship romantic That They Already Established As Having A Romantic Dimension Two Seasons Ago??? what in god's name is the point of that????? drives me up the fucking wall. anyways, i'll stop my own ramble here. you put it all so well! a delight to watch!

Hey, loved this video essay! You made such a great point. I'm very curious if you've seen Hannibal the series and, in that case, what do you think. I see some similarities with the issues presented in Gotham with mlm and wlw relationship. Like, the lesbian couple literally had the longest sex scene in the series with absolutely no context and the gay relationship (I know they are the protagonists btw) had a three season arc with only a vague love confession by one of them. But maybe it's all more complex than that, I don't know, I hope somebody would open that conversation.

Let's all be honest here. We all watched this show because of 2 reasons. The relationship between Alfred and Bruce and the perfection that is Jerome Valeska (aka the joker but we can't legally speaking call him that)

Remembering that I watched a few seasons of this show and I think I dropped it after the hallucination episode. Messy indeed, I remember hating the clone girl plot and feeling bad for Oswald. There’s no heterosexual explanation for dropping everything to go live with your homie in his mansion and spending all your time together and hallucinating them 🤷‍♀️

The writing each season was gradually becoming the same low tier writing as Once upon a time.

I just want you to know that I have felt more emotions in the last 30 minutes of watching this video (yep that’s right I haven’t even finished the video and this is my third comment) than I have in the last few months. Your video has crossed the antidepressant wall and has filled me with rage. I’ve never watched this show and I am now so glad for that fact. How did you manage to get me shipping two random dc characters I’ve never heard of?

They need to not bother with representation if they keep going the take-sies back-sies route in the name of ratings. There are dedicated networks for lgbtq+ entertainment but those aren't in the cheaper packages. It's exhausting. Every time I hear of something that could have been nice, it becomes a slap in the face during or down the road at the last minute. Granted I don't watch television galore like I used to (before gaming took over xD), not much is bringing me back to it.

oh thank god I thought I was crazy for finding the homophobia in this show weird cause no one else talked about it. I could never get really far into it bc of the weird way they portrayed lgbt ppl

You know what. That Isabella person never existed and Ed and Oswald got married. Idc

That hugging-almost-stabbing scene was both hilarious and touching tho

have i ever watched gotham in my life? no. do i care about batman at all? no. will i watch a 45 minute video on the topic? perhaps...

the way you included the foodage from the baloon scene on the elaboration why you hate it sksksks

i mean, what else did we expect from a show that was basically like "hey remember that superman show from like, 13 years ago? let's cash grab that" and tried to repeat the formula.

This was seriously such an amazing video essay. Can’t wait for what you write in the future 💕

Incredible first video essay, can’t believe this has been out for six months and I hadn’t found it! 😭

Thank you for making this, it's something that I've had too many feelings to put into words. And I stopped watching in season 4(I think?) when they brought back Butch and Tabitha for the ten millionth time, like immediately after a really intense death or something, and have had no desire to torture myself more. I am really disappointed that this is how those relationships ended, but very unsurprised.

Not sure if this came up anywhere else but even Renee Montoya was somewhat of a negative character. She in the IA department and seemed to be aggressively investigating Jim because she was jealous he "stole" Barbara from her. Granted there was other reasons why Jim was being investigated but the way it was portrayed made Renee seem like a bitter ex

This was incredibly well spoken and every point was well thought out, well rounded and I applaud you.