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@therearealpacas
@therearealpacas 5 месяцев назад
most triple a games nowadays just feel repetitive because they’ve found something that works and are too focused on replicating it to make creative decisions, indie studios just don’t have as much pressure and have alot more creative freedom
@ActionScripter
@ActionScripter 5 месяцев назад
As an indie dev, this is true for a small amount of success stories, but the industry as a whole is brutally unforgiving and difficult to break into. For every indie studio that boldly creates their unique idea and brings their creative vision to life, there are a dozen that flop because they couldn't find a way to get the money to develop it, or they took a chance on the design and people just didn't like it. There's a reason the AAA studios crank out shiny soulless slop - it makes lots of money! Once you look past the handful of rags-to-riches tales, it's pretty bleak for indies out here.
@BanHammerFiend
@BanHammerFiend 5 месяцев назад
Case and point the latest Avatar game, could have expanded on the old concept or done something new entirely. Alas, was a farcry clone.
@SYLin-rs8ob
@SYLin-rs8ob 5 месяцев назад
Statistically indie studios release failed games at a higher rate though. Its classic survivorship bias.
@WackMaDino
@WackMaDino 5 месяцев назад
⁠@@SYLin-rs8obYeah, although a lot of those flops are still creative games, they just didn’t catch on. There’s just more indie games in general so there’s bound to be more failures.
@thecanmanification
@thecanmanification 5 месяцев назад
This is what the game dev who was “commenting” on BG3 setting a new standard was alluding to. AAA game studios are money printing machines. If they find something that works they’re gonna keep doing it until it stops working. Every AAA game has an upgrade tree, resource management, base building and crafting because that’s what the industry wants right now and the devs don’t really have much say into what the publishers choose to fund.
@wormcan1838
@wormcan1838 5 месяцев назад
hollow knight destroyed my sense of how much a game should cost. AAA games never looked the same way
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625
@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 5 месяцев назад
I felt that way when the half life games had a free month where you could play like all the games. Finally played hl2 and thought "damn I get it, I think I love video games again."
@ariche934
@ariche934 5 месяцев назад
Also horrible optimization has become a trend disallowing a lot of people from playing them as well
@hjewkes
@hjewkes 5 месяцев назад
If steam didnt take 30% how could they afford to keep working on half life 3?
@dmitriyrasskazov8858
@dmitriyrasskazov8858 5 месяцев назад
To be fair im pretty sure lethal company networking are done through steam api.
@herb2110
@herb2110 5 месяцев назад
As an aspiring indie dev, I could never imagine my imposter syndrome allowing me to price any game I make over $15 lmao
@tomsanderson
@tomsanderson 5 месяцев назад
Just sold my old CSGO skins and boxes for $160. They all appreciated over the years and I don’t see any need to hang onto them anymore. Now I’ll finally be able to afford Baldur’s Gate.
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Nice mate
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
I recently sold an item after being listed since 2019
@tomsanderson
@tomsanderson 5 месяцев назад
@@Justin-ee1mv oh my god that’s hilarious. Demand must’ve climbed. What was the item if you remember?
@isaacfullerton
@isaacfullerton 5 месяцев назад
Important to note that lethal company was only sold on steam. Starfield was a major release for xbox. Probably boosted gamepass sales quite a bit.
@stegotops7415
@stegotops7415 5 месяцев назад
Can't wait to see Atrioc go to Copenhagen to personally pitch Lego to bring back Bionicle, truly a Toa hero!
@Person-275
@Person-275 5 месяцев назад
“League of legends has given me 5000+ hours of entertainment, all for free!” Only copy the part within the quotation marks. - John riot
@johnzenc1984
@johnzenc1984 5 месяцев назад
Upvotes are question marks
@jefflum4040
@jefflum4040 5 месяцев назад
People complain about modern video games and yeah AAA gaming is a mixed bag but if you look at the medium as a whole the price per hour of enjoyment is crazy!
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
price per hour is bullshit. You are not going to have a transformative experience by doing a repetetive task over and over again. Most games only give a couple hours of engaging, artistic expression the way a book or a movie does. You might as well praise the cotton industry for how much enjoyment you can get out of knitting per dollar.
@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime
@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime 5 месяцев назад
Assassin’s Creed must be a scam then cause it has 0 hours of enjoyment
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime"must be"; is
@dickurkel6910
@dickurkel6910 5 месяцев назад
@@hexcodeff6624 I think it's implied that "price per hour" is only counting hours of actual enjoyment, or else you wouldn't even be playing the game.
@JustinBA007
@JustinBA007 5 месяцев назад
​@@dickurkel6910sadly, people still are playing games even when they don't enjoy them. So many modern games are designed for engagement rather than enjoyment, and just try keep you addicted.
@trevor245
@trevor245 5 месяцев назад
The ak is potentially worth 1 mil however the highest recorded sale in cs is like 500-600k at best. A 4x titan holo st mw 661 sold in combination with a blue gem karambit for 500k+ which I am pretty sure is the record at this point in time. Titan holos are worth 70k each at this point in time but at the time of the sale it was around 50k per. Obviously when applied they loose value but since the craft is so rare this is not really relevant. The best blue gem karambit also had a 1 million euro offer a year or two ago iirc. But that was declined and since it hasn't moved. So yeah it will ve interesting to see what happens but the ak is unlikely to sell for less than 700k according to many traders.
@Captainspamo
@Captainspamo 5 месяцев назад
Fellow hobby enjoyer
@MidNightMagician
@MidNightMagician 5 месяцев назад
If we are counting all revenue there is of course CS and it's cases. I had a match were 4 people were opening cases mid game.
@smokinbonez420
@smokinbonez420 5 месяцев назад
Good games are good games, simple as
@Alphaey
@Alphaey 5 месяцев назад
I think what Atrioc is missing about some of the games like Lethal Company and BG3 is I imagine just like me and my friends these games are group games (BG3 is sorta solo but also group co-op games) they are fun casual and so enjoyable people buy them at full price and some buy them more than once for that one or two friends that can't afford it. My friend bought me BG3 because I was thinking more than 5 minutes and he bought a friend or two Lethal Company so I imagine he isn't the only one that acts like that when a game is good and can include your friends.
@MenchieExtrakt
@MenchieExtrakt 5 месяцев назад
4:18 mom i made it
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Today Frostpunk 2 just dropped a new gameplay trailer and Prison architect 2 just dropped an announcement trailer, fantastic day today, PA 2 gonna come out on March 26 while Frostpunk 2 will release first half of the year
@vandalm9311
@vandalm9311 5 месяцев назад
is PA 2 still associated with paradox tho? fucking hate their dlc strategy
@dankrigby5621
@dankrigby5621 5 месяцев назад
Most coop games sell really good bc they are just so rare nowadays. Back in the days you could play most games in coop mode.
@hastyscorpion
@hastyscorpion 5 месяцев назад
I don't think calling distribution a "tax" is correct. Lethal company would not be nearly as big if Steam didn't exist. Yes their costs don't scale with how many games you sell but if they made you pay a flat fee it would be way higher because then every person trying to sell a game would have an equal share of their massive fixed costs. A flat fee means you have to have a ton of start up capital to sell your game. It's way worse for pretty much everybody.
@DajuSar
@DajuSar 5 месяцев назад
Bro its set for life at least 20 mill all for himself. Jesus Christ
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Based indie devs
@YT7mc
@YT7mc 5 месяцев назад
Tbh it’s a little below 20 million after steam cut + tax.
@Stryker580
@Stryker580 5 месяцев назад
DUDE, HOW DID I ONLY JUST NOTICE THE GIFT SHOP MUSIC FROM BATTLEBLOCK THEATER IN THE BACKGROUND like man im stupid😅
@cjspy
@cjspy 5 месяцев назад
I would love if atrioc dove into the cs skin market
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
That would be cool
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Pog CS 2 major
@littleboi6564
@littleboi6564 5 месяцев назад
yooo that was my question in the beginning
@spritefan2
@spritefan2 5 месяцев назад
Balders Gate went to Steam/PC-only first right? While a lot of the other games probably had their sales fragmented by the console sales? Still a huge W nonetheless.
@UCrafter5000
@UCrafter5000 5 месяцев назад
4:00 didn't know glizzo was a fan of megadeth
@mattriarchal
@mattriarchal 5 месяцев назад
I think the horror genre in games is probably the most experimental if not the most conducive for indie developers to experiment if any concept or mechanic no matter how ridiculous
@smile4cs
@smile4cs 5 месяцев назад
small note, that isnt the million dollar AK
@timtabutops4611
@timtabutops4611 5 месяцев назад
Yo Atrioc or ædish, can you do something about deleting the crypto scam bot thread? I think people are smart enough to recognize it's a scam but you never know.
@vk-hm6te
@vk-hm6te 5 месяцев назад
its gone alr, assume yt has filters for this stuff
@purpl3m
@purpl3m 5 месяцев назад
another fire clip big a
@Lordmun445
@Lordmun445 5 месяцев назад
Starsector was the best 14 quid of my life man
@Shrooms50
@Shrooms50 5 месяцев назад
ooh. I will be in kopenhagen to see the major maybe if i am lucky i get to meet atrioc and aiden
@Trevorcraft71
@Trevorcraft71 5 месяцев назад
Lethal Company outsold City Skylines 2 holy shit
@fritsfmn
@fritsfmn 5 месяцев назад
City skylines was a bug party
@zants_
@zants_ 5 месяцев назад
It's wild that I didn't hear anything about Cities Skylines 2 coming out, I had no idea.
@fritsfmn
@fritsfmn 5 месяцев назад
@@zants_ LTT was a huge promoter / was sponsored
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Cities skylines 2 sadly have a lot of tech issues and performance issues at launch
@Luckycosmos
@Luckycosmos 5 месяцев назад
Obviously Dr. Carbonation would be like Mr. Freeze in Batman: steals money and technology to one day attain his goal, but always being thwarted along the way.
@DawnOfTheRobo
@DawnOfTheRobo 5 месяцев назад
he could also place magma blocks under water to "carbonate" it
@coco_rthritis6462
@coco_rthritis6462 5 месяцев назад
Because they have soul and they actually RESPECT their players
@chevoyingram9589
@chevoyingram9589 5 месяцев назад
Cool buzzword have anything of actual value to say
@felix_xb
@felix_xb 5 месяцев назад
Steam only takes 30% if its sold on steam. They take 0% if you just sell steam keys anywhere else or give them away. You have no restrictions on that too. But yes maybe 30% is a bit much.
@doctorbatman8520
@doctorbatman8520 5 месяцев назад
They're original. Simple as.
@goom-
@goom- 5 месяцев назад
gamers buying the millionth medroidvania, earthbound clone, and rouguelike all are about depression. soooo original
@McGoobly
@McGoobly 5 месяцев назад
They are for passion, not profit
@Firnienarya
@Firnienarya 5 месяцев назад
CSGO skins are like the successful version of NFT's if u ask me.
@momobobo5430
@momobobo5430 5 месяцев назад
kinda true, the only difference is you get to use them in game which is a flex. People will notice when something is rare. Its all about the flex.
@TegPi
@TegPi 5 месяцев назад
Games with over x million in sales get better rates from steam then the base 30%
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
Pog
@ZishaMadeit
@ZishaMadeit 5 месяцев назад
MMORPG Tycoon 2
@Palozon
@Palozon 5 месяцев назад
Not to be a bummer but I feel that list is also indicative of "major" (greedier) studios leaving steam in full or in part for their own dogshit launchers
@showd6229
@showd6229 5 месяцев назад
If silksong costs 200$ I would barely blink before paying
@SomuaSomua
@SomuaSomua 5 месяцев назад
200$? Idk man
@showd6229
@showd6229 5 месяцев назад
@@SomuaSomua nah worth it
@ImTheGuy
@ImTheGuy 5 месяцев назад
It kinda annoys me how people have been saying that indie games are "on the rise" when they have been at this level for than a decade at this point
@wilhelmh9495
@wilhelmh9495 5 месяцев назад
I’m a Nordic frog!
@mothh
@mothh 5 месяцев назад
No way that ak is worth a mil. Maybe 250-500k
@shiccup
@shiccup 5 месяцев назад
Sons of the forest was kinda disappointing for the amount of hype hopefully they update it more it's basically the same quality as alpha the forest. Definitely was over priced for how much Gameplay and time it took to come out.
@Justin-ee1mv
@Justin-ee1mv 5 месяцев назад
I liked sons of the forest, But 1.0 the full release is coming out in Feb,22? 26? Around that date range, it’s crazy that sons of the forest peak players makes is like top 25 of all time on steam I think top 20
@shiccup
@shiccup 5 месяцев назад
@@Justin-ee1mv oh we weren't even playing the full release version?
@soldeera
@soldeera 5 месяцев назад
That was the biggest problem with it, for some reason they hyped the early access so much that probably only 10/20% of the players will experience the full game
@add8402
@add8402 5 месяцев назад
AAA Studios just out here like "How can we spend as much as possible on the game without actually making it good."
@Hersatz
@Hersatz 5 месяцев назад
You know what's the worst part about Lethal Company? The code base is fucking disgustingly bad. The guy code like a second year college student and can still put out a great game that was fun enough to make so much money. There is really no excuse to not put out great games as small developers anymore.
@wukishark
@wukishark 5 месяцев назад
Best video game you can buy for 15 dollaRS HANDS DOWN THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT IM TYPING THIS AS SOON AS VIDEO STARTS THANK YOU.
@kevkuehnertskuelerkuehlschrank
@kevkuehnertskuelerkuehlschrank 5 месяцев назад
Yooo atrioc is in the skin game? Oh no he isnt. That is not the real ak. The real one is a scar pattern
@rileylewisdolan
@rileylewisdolan 5 месяцев назад
Consider this though gamers: a deck of cards. Even cheaper than almost any game and can play thousands of games. Some people dedicate their whole life to a single card game like poker.
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
poker chips are pretty expensive. The whole price per hour thing is pretty stupid. Did steam boat willy just become really worth it because you can watch it for free?
@MrJonyish
@MrJonyish 5 месяцев назад
All we now know is that another creator economy is getting a windfall when the Zeekers wastes all his money on Fury Art Commissions!
@areichental
@areichental 5 месяцев назад
Lsd is amazing bang for the buck. 10 bucks for a tab for 8 hoirs of fun? No other drug has better entertainment per dollar!
@oliver-nation4377
@oliver-nation4377 5 месяцев назад
CS2 is the best game ever.
@StarchieHalo
@StarchieHalo 5 месяцев назад
Terraria on sale, years of entertainment
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
Would you consider knitting entertainment?
@NextR
@NextR 5 месяцев назад
lol you show the wrong ak, it's #670 the number 2 pattern (not even close to 1 mil) not the 1 mil #1 pattern 661
@han-ns5zw
@han-ns5zw 5 месяцев назад
I don’t think you lied to us ANGRY BIRD IS ALSO INDIE GAME AND DEVELOPERS DON’T DO ANYTHING!!!!
@Pope_
@Pope_ 5 месяцев назад
I know he only kinda breezes over this but the fact that steam is charging $100 to upload a game, then takes 30% rev. cut is INSANE. If you are making like 500 million dollars a year off of sitting on your ass letting the program you made 10 years ago sell other peoples games, you should at least put more effort into making it accessible place for indie devs to sell your game.
@kyle784
@kyle784 5 месяцев назад
With that 30% fee, you can also buy games on steam for around 20-30% cheaper than listed price by indirectly buying steam items and selling those for funds. I buy almost every game on steam because it is so much cheaper.
@ivanmoravetz7801
@ivanmoravetz7801 5 месяцев назад
play sims
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 5 месяцев назад
I struggle to stick with any game for even 20 hours so the return on investment thing doesn't really work for me. Renting 10 different movies on RU-vid is a similar value with more hours that I will engage with. Though I will stan all sorts of indies as amazing experiences in the highest echelon of arts. I just don't like the "value" argument, the best and most life changing games I have played that I wouldn't trade the experience for anything else, are games that I would not spend more than $30 for.
@Eval999
@Eval999 5 месяцев назад
Lol thats cap that they dont have claim to 30%. These devs are FREE to not sell on steam. I'd absolutely love to see how much Lethal Company would've made if it hadn't been on Steam.
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
Hollow Knight should cost $60 so the fan boys finally shut up about how cheap it is. When there's barely any mechanics going on in a game and it's all just a platforming metroid vania with only 1 weapon and 1 projectile available, meaning you don't have to tune the difficulty of enemy encounters for different play styles, the production cost is going to be pretty low on that side of the project, and when the enemies are barely moving and only need an attack and an idle animation, cost is going down even further.
@cauthrim4298
@cauthrim4298 5 месяцев назад
Actual Hollow Knight hater in the wild wow, I thought they were a myth
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 5 месяцев назад
@@cauthrim4298I enjoyed it somewhat but I don't hold its merits up so high it makes me blind to all the things a better game could do. When you play stuff like Dark Souls, you realize just how expansive a gaming experience can be. Hollow Knight has very marketable qualities to it, art style, character designs and music. Getting an idea of the quality of level design, combat mechanics, enemy variety and such is much harder than just looking at the former and grasping its supposed volume.
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