How Did Each Traitor Primarch Fall to Chaos? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

Male pattern baldness

Legend has it that horus turned after choas showed him a way to get his hair back.

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Actually broke my toe by stubing it.

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A TFS reference

more like Perturabo: "Notice me" Emperor of mankind: "you hear anything Rogal?" Rogal Dorn: "No father, i heard nothing"

Vegeta to Trunks

Emperor: Don't make me come up there and be a parent! Pertorabo: First time for everything!

Magnus is the opposite of bald tho lmao

The day majorkill starts balding will be the end of this entire channel.

What do you mean "the day" you mean already?

@@thedyingmeme6 Magnus has fake hair and fulgrim is balding.

@@Demicleas damn, beat me to it.

Angron's backstory is dumber than when those Grey Knights coated their armor in the blood of Sisters of Battle.

@@robertnelson9599 The only thing I would consider dumb in Angron's backstory is the Emperor's needless cruelty towards the gladiators, it would have been so easy to beam them all up and allow them to be in Angron's legion, like he did with most of his other sons and their followers.

I think a good fan theory is that the Emperor being such a powerful psyker and was fighting a shadow war against Chaos could tell Khorne had his hand in Angron's upbringing on Nuceria and was willing to sell him out in the civil war he and Malcador had already planned for.

@@dewaynemcclure yes. it's almost guaranteed that he knew some sons would fall to chaos. he knew it had to happen. and was sure angron would be one. i think the only big surprise for him was fulgrim. I think he expected the khan to fall. but since they were switched by chaos, it went different

@@UselessDischargethat some of the primarchs would eventually rebel was always part of the plan; angron and other similarly hyper martial primarchs were to be phased out( Jagatai, Perty, And the like), hence why some were treated like shit.

The Emperor: Mortarion, clean your room and take a shower. Mortarion: Reeeeeeeeeee! (chugs soy milk) The Emperor: Why are you like this?

Also, a lesson in not picking favorites. Like Angron and Perty could have been so easily avoided.

@@icesoul17z All parents have a favorite child. It’s just proper manners to never openly say who it is, especially not in front of the others.

@@icesoul17z Angron could never have been avoided. His fate was sealed the very moment the Emperor whisked him away. (See: Ghost of Nuceria)

Or don’t give them time to teach them or really raise them yourself.

@@MarianoRyu GoN is a sad excuse to try to save face for Emps, and it isn't even a good excuse at that.

White to green to black

Hold up how the fuck did Horus grow hair during the Warmaster stage

@@bigiron7500 I guess he chose to be shaven before and only lost the ability to regrow it after going full chaos.

@@bigiron7500 Its a wig , he was very ashamed of his hair loss

@@bigiron7500 The laurel leaf crown did it.

swampass 4 lyfe

He was last seen entering Engadine MacDonald's before he shat his pants and fell to chaos. Ohh wait that's scomos origin story.

@@gusluthje2782 Non Aussies gonna be wondering what fucking character Scomo is.

Funny thing is that I could see Nurgle doing that kind of crap! I'm so done... x)

Shat so hard that his soul fell out and got infected

Interesting theory. Don't know if I'll headcannon it. It does make more sense then believing the aliens. I think I'm going with Alpha Legion going undercover. And then with its secretive nature elements of the Legion not really knowing what it's strategy is.

i heard that alpharius was pro cabale and omegon was contra

@@michelalt5074 I just read his primarch book. It might be the opposite of that. Good luck trying to figure it out!

Idk I think they’re egging it on enough to the point where they can rise up and beat chaos or whatever. They could secretly talk with Guilliman about their plan but try not to provoke his suspicion and say no. They could then go and team up to try n save the remaining primarchs, hopefully succeed, and then find a way to get the fallen primarchs too. Idk tho lol

@@datrickster8674 the thing is, they've mostly laid low the last 10k years. That is a long time. Now, if we theorize both primarchs are dead, it's very likely that different cells have conflicting ideas of what the primary mission is yet are still loyal to each other. That would be kind of funny and fit the memes. The other older theory was Alpharious was evil and killed and the other brother trying to control a corrupted Legion. But the primarch book hints that's unlikely that Alpharious could have turned. One way or another, Alpharious is working for the Imperium. If he is alive.

Leman: Because I have more than one heart, you however, only have one spine

@@tomj.1058 Intresting point. Maybe if Emperor would had given his sons some extra spines Magnus would had stayed whole and loyal in the end.

Russ: “Nobody can remember that because the SOUND OF YOUR SPINE CRACKING IS STILL ECHOING!”

@@tomj.1058 This is such a good comment, made me laugh aloud XD

i like to think he didn't save them because he wanted to get help for his son as soon as possible. but then found out it wasn't possible.

There was a conversation Big E had with a custodian about this, he said he left Angron’s family to die because if he brought them up with Angron or helped them defeat the slavers Angron would not be driven by his hatred for anything and would die

@@-TheMachineGod- Sounds like Big E likes making his least favorites suffer.

@@curtismcpsycho8212 yeah, he really isn’t a good dad

@@-TheMachineGod-That is the most brain dead take for a guy that’s supposed to be an ancient super genius. Idiot plot moments like this are so much worse when you’re character is supposed to be a genius.

So true

Except Joker gets proved wrong. He couldn't break Gordon or the Bat in the Killing Joke and again fails in The Dark Knight. Unless you take the non canon theory ending where Batman actually breaks his neck at the end. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty badass line and is true sometimes but it's definitely not universal.

@@AltoStratusX1 and its a work of fiction by the same logic you could point to 40k and say joker is proven right

"If I'm going to have an origin story, I prefer mine to be multiple choice." Alpharious and Omegon approve this message.

I mean in lore when someone ascends to demon prince it replaces the soul with raw warp stuff, and if I’ve been interpreting lore the right way the soul is more or less ones consciousness you could argue that the moment they ascend there where no longer there true selves and rather basically a monster wearing there skin with there memory’s

Same

I always felt like perty was stannis baratheon pushed too far over the edge In the GOT books stannis is compared to iron, he would break before he bent to someone else Well good old peter turbo broke and turned traitor

Ohhh man

Playing devils advocate here, they were worshippers of the Gods of Chaos. It’s not like he didn’t know what he was getting into. When you think Chaos, you don’t really imagine well strategized skirmish lines and perfect discipline. It’s kinda like being surprised when someone gets shithouse drunk, then falls out of their chair and pukes on your shoes.

So the Iron warriors are redeemable? Or are they really just a thorn in the Imperium’s side?

Ikr? Emp Children were fucking terrible, as were the World Eaters. Perty was the only reason they even came relatively close

@@butHomeisNowhere___ hey now, the Emperor’s Children do have Fabius Bile, and he’s pretty awesome. You gotta give credit to a guy who figured out how to grind up humans to make crazy drugs. It might not have helped the Heresy too much, but it was pretty nifty, anyway. Lol

he gave some one too many

from what I've heard, the Big E made them kneel INFRONT of the Ultramarines, which was really fucking embarassing so I doubt they did it out of their free will.

Interesting

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Chad Magnus

@@De_La_Evo it’s in the Fury on Magnus, Magnus also kills Malcador and has an awesome fight with Vulcan

@@ComradeRumHam woah woah what He can't kill malcador!

@@ComradeRumHam UUUUM WHAT

I also kinda wish we never told who was in control of fulgrims body (him or the demon) until we knew about the clone fulgrim then id be like "oh shit fulgrim is still loyal hes just being controlled, what a badass" nope hes just a shit snake

Yeah, one of the writers thought he was real clever and made the "Eye of Terra" (as in the eye of the aquila head that has it's eye) a major imperial symbol before the Eye of Terror was ever explored or named. Supposed to symbolize that the Emperor is always watching or something. Horus used a stylized version as his sigil, which became the chaos-star eye used by chaos marines all over the galaxy, which is why it's fallen out of favor in the Imperium. Sanguinius used it too: had a ton of them all over his armor, but he modified the pupil to look like a blood drop. Look at the famous picture of Big E confronting Horus over Hawkboy's corpse. Hawkboy has the blood-drop eye on his shoulder and waist, while Horus has the normal one on his chest and waist with the Chaos version hanging between his legs.

perty: *takes one look* “YO WHAT THE FUC-“

Best primarch is roboute guilliman smh.

@@alperakyuz9702 Good Primarch, but nah, he is definitely not the best.

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 fr, these people clearly forgot crow daddy exists

@@FNoelle124 does he have a big tiddy eldar girlfriend?

Fuck that Vulcan is best

That’s just cruel. Worse case senario she could have a least waited.

2 days after my dad's funeral I came home from nightshift to find my gf had left and taken most of my shit. Never heard from her again. Her name funny enough was Destiny haha

@@footrot17 should've reported her to the cops

@@footrot17 that wasnt your girlfriend that WAS destiny

Did he fall to chaos though?

Jeeeeeesus

Mind. Blown.

Supraphysiological doses of warp stuff, and clomid to prevent gyno.

Yes please

"Like, what the fuck dude"

I did not expect to see mpmd here

Yeah, but then they couldn’t milk the thousand sons and emperors children, which are the few playable chaos space marine legions if I’m not mistaken (the ones that have their own codex, anyway). Besides, then chaos would be pretty screwed

this is warhammer 40K so we'll definitely not get that, would be nice to see some chaos marines abandon chaos and become regular traitors.

that mpmd reference was unexpected but very much appreciated

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@@meepy546 GoNnA mAkE tHeM wOrD bEaReRs AfTeR i PuMp ThEm WiTh My ’GeNeSeEd’

Emperor: "will you listen, I am not the messiah!" Lorgar: "only the true messiah denies his divinity" Emperor: "what? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I am the messiah" Lorgar: "he is, he is the messiah!" Emperor: "now, fuck off!" *pause* Lorgar: "how shall I fuck off, o lord?"

@Auf Wiedersehen! In turn making him wrong...

I'd add Konrad Curze to that list. I mean he was an evil twisted scumbag, but if you read the lore you can really understand how and why he became what he did. Prince of Crows, Lightning Tower, and a couple of others from the Horus Heresy anthologies.

@@MrDarkweaver ok thanks

For Angron, he is definitely justified

Angron is more of a borderline. It definitely has more to do with the Butcher’s nails than anything.

@@ShadowknightEX Can't have Angron without the Nails, tho - those nails make it, sadly, an inevitability that Angron would turn traitor. Either with a full Rebellion like under Horus, or just at the end of his usefulness, when Russ and the Wolves were finally sent to annihilate Angron and the World Eaters, Angron would eventually going to have to fight against the other Legions. Horus just sped that confrontation up.

Chin Chin would solo the freaking Warp and silver tape the Omnissiah's soul whilst cracking a few dad jokes with the Honk God. 10/10

Look at how many dimension wars it took to pacify chin chin. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ore wa ochinchin ga daisuki nandayo

Lmfao fr, I just commented the same thing. Its like that one friend who keeps misusing the word "literally ". Or "ironic"

The legion's number is the chronology of their creation

@@jslrnzrbntn well shit don't I look like an ass now lol. Pretty obvious now that you say it

Wibbly wobbly warpy whimey stuff

I never knew just how many fellow PED users were also fans of MK.

You shouldn't be here

If Magnus remained Loyalist, I'm under the opinion that the Alpha Legion would've been the Legion Tzeetch would've tried to claim for himself.

@@MR.LMR1996 emphasis on tried.

Angron is both simultaneously the most and least believable fall. It’s easy to imagine a psycho like him falling as he was basically fallen already but it’s hard to believe the emperor couldn’t see how fucked he was and even harder to believe that he would have abducted him on his home planet rather than just join in and help him. If chaos didn’t exist angron would have still gone bad eventually. I agree with your comment - bit more tragedy or nuance would have been welcomed

What

@@user-rn1fc2zo3o this is as simple and straightforward as a sentence gets. Whats hard to understand?

He took too much Chaos and didn’t treat his baldness.

​@ZachDew9 Gaming lmao look at bros name English is probably his 3rd language 😅

Still laughing about that lol

Fulgrim and Arthas would agree with that statement if they weren't already too far gone to do so.

@@Akranejames Arthas did everything Wrong in his journey, and the Azaroth Still Bleeds from it. We might yet Redeem the IIIrd Legion.

@@willsword8100 I wasn't equating their character (Arthas is a bit of a little shit, at least all through Warcraft III) but rather their "cliffnotes" character arcs - even up to killing a best friend because an evil sword told them so. Let's be honest, Arthas was clearly a bit of a Fulgrim rip-off in the beginning.

@@Akranejames this is very true, granted I stopped playing WoW after Mist of Panderia, so I don't know any further developments.

Didn't think I'd see you here Dynamic Sway Reduction.

weren’t the thunder warriors all unstable? Basically curze just a few steps ahead?

@@mcarrowtime7095 Not in the beginning but IIRC they developed brain cancer and became unstable. So instead of trying to find a cure the big E just had them hunted down and replaced with his new favourite toy.

Where you? It's midnight in straya

@@footrot17 Texas

Ohhhhh my god

True story

Kurze and Angron were supposed to be the Big E's shock troops. The primarchs didn't seem to share with each other what their purposes were, or tended to oblivious to it. Night Lords: "Leave a few behind, scare the hell out of them so they don't rise up again and try not to break all the expensive tech." From some Horus Heresy data Roboute looked at, Imperial bean counters loved the Night Lords when it came to post-war damage and repair assessment from their operations. Strangely, the Alpha Legion was notoriously bad here, as they went for subterfuge like bombing power stations, dams, what have you for spectacular shock and awe sudden victory, resulting in a bigger repair tab. World Eaters? Basically the Emperor saying "Leave none alive." Had the Imperium better coordinated the legions rather than just send them all blindly to conquer everything ASAP, the WE would be exclusively fighting xenos, the Night Lords dealing with refusers/rioters, and Lorgar's bunch would be doing the civic management stuff until Fulgrim or Roboute's much larger force got peace time assignments (although Lorgar's godbothering made him glacial at that aspect too). Alpharius and Omegon would probably be shadowing all the other legions and be directed for special ops.

Alpharius' motive for joining Chaos and the Rebellion was to Save the Empire and the Emperor from a Worse Fate. Which was close to what Omegon claimed was Alpharius' motivations when Omegon was impersonating Alpharius after Alpharius was killed by Dorn, but Omegon thought that Alpharius was trying to dodge the prophesy too by only appearing to join Chaos. Which is also what Alpharius said when he was impersonating a Alpha Legion Astartes while serving Omegon who was impersonating Alpharius after Alpharius was killed by Dorn, except he thought that it was actually joining Chaos to dodge the prophesy, not just appearing to join Chaos. And what Omegon said was Alpharius' motivations when Omegon was disagreeing with Alpharius and deciding to actually rebel against the Emperor because Horus was the best way to stop that prophesy, and that after a few hundred years of observation, Alpharius could easily take out Horus right after, no Chaos required. The way Alpharius reacted to Omegon's description of his motivation was to say that Chaos was required, and that it had to be a true pledge of loyalty to chaos so that his hand would be steady, and that Omegon would be able to pull him back from Chaos when the deed was done. Which is what the Astartes who was impersonating Alpharius told Omegon when Omegon was impersonating an Astartes, and ordering Omegon to fall to Chaos with those under his direct command. But Omegon, while impersonating an Astartes, realized that he would need to make sure that not all of his Astartes fell to Chaos, so he impersonated an Astartes impersonating Alpharius to order half of his most loyal squad to only appear to fall to Chaos but to NOT fall to Chaos, so that they could save Alpharius - who was himself - when the time was right. That Astartes who was impersonating Omegon impersonating Alpharius thought this plan wasn't quite up to their usual quality, and so decided to involve a few normal humans in it just in case things went south, because that Astartes realized he was impersonating Omegon (who didn't exist) impersonating Alpharius, and wasn't quite certain that Omegons plans had enough plans within those plans within those plans to truly live up to the Alpha Legion standards. tl;dr : Somewhere along the way, the Alpha Legion forgot that Alpharius was killed by Dorn.

@@thatotherguy8138 brainhurts from reading this help

alpharius motive to level up his sneak and confusion stats enough to out plot tzeench

@@dukeofduckingham5480 If you say "I am Alpharius" it will all make sense.

It would be amazing Fulgrim returning next... Having to clear his name or doing some kinds of "penetance"

And bring me more alter boys