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How Does The 2020 Land Rover Defender Perform Off-Road? I Race It Against an Old One To Find Out! 

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(www.landroverf...) We would like to extend a huge "thanks" to our friends at Flatirons Land Rover for loaning us this new Defender to test off-road!
( www.TFLcar.com ) In this episode we take the brand new 2020 Land Rover into the woods to see how it performs off-road. To make it interesting we bring along our old, slightly clapped out 2006 Land Rover LR3 we bought for $5,500. Can the new $80,000 defender keep up with this old beast when the going gets tough? We test the new defender on the rocks, in the dirt and through some mud to find out!
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@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
If You Liked this video, You REALY Like This one Where we Race The Land Rover vs a VW Touareg to the Top of a Mountain: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_0Rwxp3YC6g.html
@BYLRPhil
@BYLRPhil 4 года назад
Love these races, keep it up!
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Thanks, we really appreciate the kind words. More are coming. Please stay tuned.
@taylourunzicker2776
@taylourunzicker2776 4 года назад
I agree, I seriously love these races. Hope to see more. I send the links to my mom and she watches them and my wife will sit and watch with me. Thanks for the content!
@walterk8602
@walterk8602 4 года назад
It's obvious that you both enjoyed making this video. Well done. It would be really interesting to see you put the Jaguar Ipace through your off road tracks, as a race between gas vers electric, or just your mountain pass trial.
@billross3358
@billross3358 4 года назад
You bug hg h
@nguont
@nguont 4 года назад
This video just confirmed that the new “defender” is supposed to be the new Discovery.
@g-low6365
@g-low6365 4 года назад
its actually a discovery ¿6? Want a new defender? a safer one? go for an "INEOS GREANADIER"
@ACERASPIRE1
@ACERASPIRE1 4 года назад
How very bizarre your logic is nguout
@nguont
@nguont 4 года назад
mondo odnom I don’t find my logic bizarre at all. My logic is just logical. Lol
@dadventuretv2538
@dadventuretv2538 4 года назад
mondo odnom he’s right. I wrote an entire comment comparing the specs of the two.
@ruimachado8560
@ruimachado8560 4 года назад
Or, the new FREELANDER..
@cristiantorrescontreras5090
@cristiantorrescontreras5090 4 года назад
Para sigue siendo mi favorito Land Rover Discovery 3, defender perdió la rudeza y ahora es solo un refinado estético para Mall, saludos desde la Patagonia de Chile.
@johnrees9239
@johnrees9239 4 года назад
Lo invito a que busque en RU-vid el video WHEELING BRAND NEW DEFENDET CHINAMAN GULCH , despuès. comente si es un SUV Por donde sube ese nuevo Defender y a esa velocidad , no sube la mayoría de los 4x4 verdaderos , STOCK DE FÀBRICA ( ) , o sea sin modificaciones , salvo un Wrangler Rubicon por ángulo de ataque y ventral Le aseguro que hasta un Land Cruiser FJ 70-76 , o un MB Clase G , se quedan pegados por los bajos en ángulo ventral , o no le da el àngulo de ataque para pasar esas rocas Comente luego cual SUV de Mall , o paseítos sube por ahí
@MarkVinewood
@MarkVinewood 4 года назад
Funny thing is that this new Defender looks more like a new Discovery after the actual Discovery 5 got the Nike shoe Range Rover treatment.
@East_Coast_Ghost86
@East_Coast_Ghost86 4 года назад
I know its new and expensive car, but I just watched an old, beat, Subaru Outback with no fancy tires, no lift, no fancy diffs or traction control, and a manual transmission do *way* WAY more difficult tracks than the Defender just did. A dang minivan could do that stuff.
@R.Nelson
@R.Nelson 4 года назад
Congratulations Tommy!!!! That was funny how you cut in front of your Dad...Nice driving Roman...the videographer did excellent job
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Thanks for the kind comments!
@v12mercedes-benz72
@v12mercedes-benz72 4 года назад
New defender and your old touareg, Which one better off road? Thanks
@johnm5969
@johnm5969 4 года назад
Really enjoyed the video.
@dustyrusty7956
@dustyrusty7956 4 года назад
Roman has baIIs the size of Alaska for taking a BRAND NEW Defender out on the trail. KUDOS ROMAN.
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
easy to do with someone else`s car
@dustyrusty7956
@dustyrusty7956 4 года назад
@@healthyamerican Not really, if you're responsible for all the dings and crunches.
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
@@dustyrusty7956 obviously he doesnt want dings and crunches because he drove a trail that any two wheel drive family sedan could make it up.
@ochjoo77
@ochjoo77 4 года назад
In short: two discos go over a hill, the new does light and comfy trail duty, the old does the fun stuff..
@patrickshelley5929
@patrickshelley5929 4 года назад
But the new one is not Disco. It's Defend.
@arjunkasmr6139
@arjunkasmr6139 2 года назад
@@patrickshelley5929 It’s more of a discovery than a defender
@Cristobal_Ygnacio_Arriaga
@Cristobal_Ygnacio_Arriaga 4 года назад
This felt a little too much like a reality Tv. Not really a comparison video, more of a scripted show than anything else. But that’s just my opinion.
@5c0tty5
@5c0tty5 4 года назад
Should have done a defined route, one car drive it at a time and the quickest wins
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
unfortunately, we are mostly watching scripted and rehearsed videos each time we get on youtube. top gear was the worst. like having a camera set up every fifty feet and im supposed to believe its a fluid show
@Pinzpilot101
@Pinzpilot101 4 года назад
See my post above...I told them to eat more steak.!
@MrCareer707
@MrCareer707 4 года назад
I agree absolute waste of 14 and a half minutes
@ronmatson5502
@ronmatson5502 4 года назад
It's been shown that everyone stops caring about their land rover right after depreciation
@strangerui4009
@strangerui4009 4 года назад
Bronco Vs defender Vs wrangler
@maniacm6
@maniacm6 4 года назад
Definitely defender will by last, if it makes it to the end.
@lovice
@lovice 4 года назад
@r2d23678 How do you define "better"? By rock crawling? By cruising acrossdesert? By towing... Nowadays people seem to think the main and probably only way to define off road capability is "rock crawling". Come on, there're so much more...
@akidstory3145
@akidstory3145 4 года назад
Land cruiser?
@lovice
@lovice 4 года назад
@JF If you really have seen or would like to find out those measures about the new Defender, you wouldn't call it a total fail. Because most figures are twice even three times better than the Rubicon or the new Bronco with Sasquatch. But, if all you want to do is to make your subjective statement, then all I can say is good for you. Nowadays anything can make one happy without breaking any laws should be encouraged, right?
@TexasBroskiActual
@TexasBroskiActual 4 года назад
JF You have got to be kidding about plastic skid protection. Anybody with some sense with change it. It does not change the fact that the Defender is a very capable machine. Independent suspension makes it an overall better vehicle. The only place independent suspension will hold you back is in the Most Extreme Rock Crawling places. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
@superkjell
@superkjell 4 года назад
If you're gonna compare a Defender to "an old one" then I was expecting an old Defender!
@nguont
@nguont 4 года назад
We all know the new “defender” is really the new Discovery though.
@superkjell
@superkjell 4 года назад
@@nguont The new Discovery is the new Discovery....
@g-low6365
@g-low6365 4 года назад
@@nguont its a newer discovery. if youll compare defender. then take a 110 defender and compare it with a Grenadier.
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Sure thing. Just send us a note to info@tflcar.com as to when we can borrow your classic Defender and race it off-road...and we'll get right on it. Thanks!
@nguont
@nguont 4 года назад
superkjell the new Defender SHOULD’VE been the new Discovery.
@kobuserasmus2934
@kobuserasmus2934 4 года назад
I'm biased because I have a Disco 3 V8, in my eyes it just looks much better than the new Defender. Great video guys!
@rafaeldomenikos5978
@rafaeldomenikos5978 4 года назад
Kobus Erasmus agreed, those disco’s are some of the best looking off roaders ever in my opinion, and that coming from a Jeep guy!
@bosse641
@bosse641 4 года назад
Agree.
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
just be glad your disco badge is on a real disco. in new defenders case, its a disco with a defender badge which is a shame
@rubenbraekman4515
@rubenbraekman4515 4 года назад
It does 😂
@danielpino4590
@danielpino4590 4 года назад
I got a 04 d2. Would never get rid of it
@red2207
@red2207 4 года назад
You guys have single handily drove up LR3 prices
@East_Coast_Ghost86
@East_Coast_Ghost86 4 года назад
I got a D2 after I saw their videos on the D2 haha. My 2004 has been flawless. At 170,000 miles so far.
@piotekivideos
@piotekivideos 4 года назад
I’ve never heard such a hilarious nonsense. „After 25 years of production we have a proper PROPER offroader” 😅
@mrcvry
@mrcvry 4 года назад
He said: „After the Defender was out of production for 25 years...“. That is bs of course. It was not out of production. The us gov just did not like the competition and did not allow the import for 25 years and you missed a lot.
@clivereid
@clivereid 4 года назад
To be honest, I don't actually find the "race" that entertaining and much prefer to see your usual off-road comparisons, especially with such capable vehicles (neither the LR3 or Defender were made to sweat there). I do understand that the Defender is a loan vehicle and that you don't want to risk damaging it though!
@pjad1400
@pjad1400 4 года назад
Totally agree! Race is kind of a fun change of pace but I HOPE it doesn’t become a regular segment....
@Cheeteach
@Cheeteach 4 года назад
They should just rename the brand to Mall Rover and get it over with.
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
i call it the land rover pretender
@NileshR12
@NileshR12 4 года назад
healthyamerican 😂😂
@NileshR12
@NileshR12 4 года назад
😂😂
@dommm111
@dommm111 4 года назад
And so Mr. Mica Jr. wins two in a row, he's killin' Roman
@DoctorSkillz
@DoctorSkillz 4 года назад
Geez, spoiler alert.
@jasonmcconnell9419
@jasonmcconnell9419 4 года назад
Thanks Flat Irons Land Rover.
@Joaogfr
@Joaogfr 4 года назад
New Defender... Great to go around obstacles...
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
new defender, best for going on dusty trails and little mud puddles
@emal7141
@emal7141 3 года назад
This is literally my car...I bought it last week. It was the last First Edition with third row in the region. Thanks for not ripping it up too bad.
@ronaldrrootiii6040
@ronaldrrootiii6040 2 месяца назад
I can't believe Tommy said the lr3 weighs a couple thousand pounds more than the defender so another words saying that the defender weighs like 3600 lb? That was a very strange thing for him to say
@BionicRusty
@BionicRusty 4 года назад
Guys, I gotta tell ya. As a UK citizen lovin’ your channel, it’s glorious to see so much love for Land Rover. For all their faults, they’re just epic (as is Jeep 😁) and you do the good ole, oil dribbling wagons proud. My dear dad always wanted a Defender but sadly passed before owning one. He passed that love on to me but whilst I’ve owned Land Rovers I’ve never owned a Defender. This is something I cannot pass on to my son and so one day, one day. Thank you for the reviews, the laughs, the scrapes and the odd crash. 👍👏👏♥️♥️ “One life, Live it”.
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Thank you for watching and thanks for the kind words!
@Morpheux1
@Morpheux1 4 года назад
The Queen approves this message!
@BionicRusty
@BionicRusty 4 года назад
Juan Rojas-Carrasco 👍👍
@finesoul677
@finesoul677 4 года назад
One life. Don’t waste it fixing land rovers
@fredbrackely
@fredbrackely 4 года назад
@@finesoul677 unless you actually like fixing Rovers, but I digress, TFL haven't had to fix their Rover like all the naysayers would have assumed.
@samudall4435
@samudall4435 4 года назад
Don't put your lr3 in offroad height with lift rods it kills articulation and standard height with lift rods will get over most obstacles. Only lift into max height when grounded.
@ronaldrrootiii6040
@ronaldrrootiii6040 2 месяца назад
Exactly I leave it on normal and only off-road height for water crossing or to mess around and look cool for 2 seconds. Also did you notice that Tommy said the lr3 weighs 2000 lb more than that Defender 110 how odd that's a huge error😊
@Ijusthopeitsquick
@Ijusthopeitsquick 4 года назад
In fact this is the first entirely new Defender since 1948.
@zelenizub2036
@zelenizub2036 4 года назад
It's new something not Defender. They might as well name it Jaguar E type.
@PaletoB
@PaletoB 4 года назад
Weeeeeeeell the first wasn't a defender, nor the second or third or fourth. So it's actually the first new "defender" since the 1990s if you go by name and the biggest redesign since 1983 dependent on how you count.... 😂
@shebbs1
@shebbs1 4 года назад
@@PaletoB It gets a bit messy working out whether the last of the old Defenders is truly just an evolution of the 1948 model, but it certainly was far closer than, say, any modern Jeep to the originals. Or Toyota Landcruiser, though the 70-Series is seriously old-style.
@PaletoB
@PaletoB 4 года назад
@@shebbs1 I agree!
@mrcvry
@mrcvry 4 года назад
@@shebbs1 They just gave the Series the name „Defender“ to distinguish it from the new „Discovery“. A lot of parts are still the same (until 2016).
@SiCrewe
@SiCrewe 4 года назад
The best test of a new Defender would be to drive it until it breaks and then see how hard it is to fix it.
@zelenizub2036
@zelenizub2036 4 года назад
85 processors, hybrid engine, air suspension, 20in rims low profile tires, plastic bumpers, muffler location... What is there to brake😂😂😂😂😂
@schmojo33
@schmojo33 4 года назад
Basically a short trip around the block is all that's needed.
@chrisvinicombe9947
@chrisvinicombe9947 4 года назад
I bet it will require more than a spanner and anger.
@MegaGouch
@MegaGouch 4 года назад
6:10 you can change the air suspension height on the move as well as the terrain response. Can also shift into low range on the move if you follow the procedure in the owners manual.
@limpunsing224
@limpunsing224 4 года назад
Bronco vs Defender vs Wrangler face off review is what everyone's waiting for
@rondail5675
@rondail5675 4 года назад
That would be a great comparison.
@zelenizub2036
@zelenizub2036 4 года назад
Should be very interesting... Offroad, towing, payload, fuel economy etc.....
@2011blueman
@2011blueman 4 года назад
@Tom Somers
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Please stay tuned!
@tfcooks
@tfcooks 4 года назад
"Passing him like the wind" so "Passing wind"? 😁
@vingtsun1952
@vingtsun1952 4 года назад
Finally a review! It will be a good world when the bronco is finally available… Choices, I cannot wait to see who will be king of the off-road world!!
@johnlatsch9720
@johnlatsch9720 4 года назад
The old defender is still the king the off road. Especially where you don't have access to repair garage
@freewayninja4065
@freewayninja4065 4 года назад
The G-Wagon remains King. The Land Cruiser comes in real close too
@vingtsun1952
@vingtsun1952 4 года назад
@@johnlatsch9720 you have a very valid point. I prefer the old “tech” to the new wizardry. I have a 1990 Mercedes G-wagon, the only thing electrical is the heater (thankfully) and the map light! Love it...
@healthyamerican
@healthyamerican 4 года назад
it wont be this new defender, thats for sure
@maxpowersbigfoothunter3825
@maxpowersbigfoothunter3825 4 года назад
My Land Rover LR3 is a tool that I use to do my job. It's a stock vehicle with the only exception being Nitto Grapplers. Tommy, you were not out of it's league on those trails. What I need to know, is in 100k more miles when my LR3 get tired. Will I be able to rely on a gently used 2020 Defender to get me where no one else can go?
@rmueke10
@rmueke10 4 года назад
I love the Father-Son thing going on between the 2 of you. Having fun and teaching him business at the same time. Great father driving some good cars!
@jook13
@jook13 4 года назад
Whoever traded in that yellow one is an idiot. That is everything I wish 4x4s still were. The new defender is a total joke, an embarrassment to the name. And the v awesome new bronco drives that point home.
@1mikeclay1
@1mikeclay1 4 года назад
Always watch and enjoy your videos but honestly this was a “terrible disappointment” to quote another automotive show host. Was thrilled to see the head to head of the capable LR3 to the new Defender...but a contrived race?? Was expecting a true comparison of the off-road capabilities like you did with the new v. Old Discovery and disco II v. LR3... So the outcome is the LR3 is better than the new Defender? Not sure what value this segment to brought to your channel or viewers...sorry
@ChrisSierra
@ChrisSierra 4 года назад
Hopefully you will take that yellow 1990s defender out next.
@johnomahony7364
@johnomahony7364 4 года назад
I have wanted one of those my whole life..I cant believe somebody traded that for a new one!!
@winstonchurchill237
@winstonchurchill237 4 года назад
John O'Mahony they obviously weren’t a proper Land Rover enthusiast otherwise they would have kept the old one and watched it’s value go up.
@grnpnzer
@grnpnzer 4 года назад
I think we are too late.....looks like it must have sold already!
@shropshireladoutdoors743
@shropshireladoutdoors743 4 года назад
@@winstonchurchill237 no they won't wouldn't want to show up the new one its shit has electronic problems already its not a defender this thing will be the death of them you can't fix it and won't stand up the any serious offroading its a Chelsea tractor if you in the USA know what that is
@theworldaccordingtochris4370
@theworldaccordingtochris4370 4 года назад
Discovery any day! The Discovery was designed to be the best all-round car in the world, you can more or less go anywhere, you can carry you're family to school, holiday or into a desert or muddy field. I think that Discovery generation is probably the best looking Land Rover vehicle be ever and Australians tow 7,700lb travel trailers with them into the outback. A fantastic car and if I could be afford to run one in no Ireland i would but the tax system here is shit!
@robgw
@robgw 4 года назад
I bet your old Disco 2 V8 would have given them a run for their money!
@billybellend1155
@billybellend1155 4 года назад
Doug DeMuro’s old Defender?
@Leilthold-
@Leilthold- 4 года назад
🤔 I'm thinking the same
@tfcooks
@tfcooks 4 года назад
I'm not sure why Doug DeMuro would take his Defender to Colorado to sell it instead trading it in in LA but ok.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix 2 года назад
One thing I loved about my old LR3 is how fast the air suspension raised the vehicle compared to other vehicles like the GL350 bluetec I replaced it with. Noght amd day difference. The benz took forever, the rover took about 5 seconds.
@jWizard
@jWizard 4 года назад
why would you do a race instead of going through the challenges like you normally would and really test the car?
@TFLcar
@TFLcar 4 года назад
Because it’s more fun to watch
@chrisedeh247
@chrisedeh247 4 года назад
@Julius W. Exactly my thoughts
@jWizard
@jWizard 4 года назад
@@TFLcar on the fun factor yeah. But at this early stage of release, i would prefer to know the full capability of the vehicle. The burning question is, "Is the new Defender capable to accomplish the TFL test?" Really love the way you guys test off roading capability and regard your channel as the benchmark of "offroad worthiness". Please, please, do another one as a treat for the fanboys!
@jabroni6199
@jabroni6199 4 года назад
The Fast Lane Car no it isn’t.
@mattmers
@mattmers 4 года назад
I agree, everyone wants to know how the new Defender stacks up. This video let me down, I had been refreshing the channel since they did the behind the scenes hoping for this but this is not what we wanted. The last race video was fun because they are two old off roaders that have been extensively covered and we know how they perform and it was about father vs son. This video is just showing us that the Defender can drive on dirt roads which my 98 Forester could do. Luckily there is a video by Diariomotor (spanish I think) That pits the new Defender against the Mercedes Gwagon (3 lockers) in a series of obstacles and I think it shows the differences well between them. Only bad think about their video is it is in spanish so you have to read subtitles.
@naashuman5503
@naashuman5503 4 года назад
LR3 is 100% Body-on-Frame For peace of mind off road adventures I'd have the new BRONCO
@naashuman5503
@naashuman5503 4 года назад
@Mikey I have a 2019 Ford Ranger Raptor and my colleague has a 2019 LR Discovery. I can send you POV footage with great quality sound of the Disco creaking and bending Unibody over undulations off road. And that from a 2019 Discovery with only 12,000 kms on the clock! In my Body-on-Frame Ranger Raptor no such thing also no such noises in my brothers Toyota Land Cruiser Prado. In a Unibody vehicle your suspension are directly connected to the car via shock struts also. So IRL it's you that's annoyingly stupid. No Unibody vehicle should be allowed off road 😤
@EGMedia1
@EGMedia1 4 года назад
Great video. I know, Disco has the tyres and all that, you had to be nice with the Defender, but kudos for actually getting them together because the comparison is bang on appropriate and what lots of people want to see (including us!). I hope, though, that in the future we'll see some more serious testing of the new Defender when you get a chance, and I know you will!
@Tedkelvin
@Tedkelvin 4 года назад
The New pretender just got Discovered.
@PeterSkjdtIpsen
@PeterSkjdtIpsen 4 года назад
Just the review I have been waiting for. Thank you for the top best video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@nothingtoseaheardammit
@nothingtoseaheardammit 4 года назад
"That's an easy fix" - not really - not with its weird wheel size. Can't get enough sidewall.
@rocksandrocks
@rocksandrocks 4 года назад
I think he means that it would be an easy fix for the manufacturer. At least that's how I interpreted his comment.
@minivanmaster
@minivanmaster 4 года назад
Those wheels are massive. Looks like they belong on a Mercedes
@nothingtoseaheardammit
@nothingtoseaheardammit 4 года назад
@@rocksandrocks Not really for the manufacturer either. The wheels are huge to accommodate the massive brake rotors IIRC.
@brianmerriman1632
@brianmerriman1632 4 года назад
Love the videos on the LR3. The fair and qualified opinions on its real world value and reliability are a welcomed contrast to the trite and uninformed commentary on this vehicle found elsewhere. Had traded my 4Runner for a LR4 a while back and have had zero regrets or horror stories. TFL reviews are informative without being dull, and entertaining without being obnoxious. Well done!
@wilhelm0022
@wilhelm0022 4 года назад
The new Defender looks goof, just not like a defender. It looks like the new Discovery should have looked like.
@osielalvarado1921
@osielalvarado1921 4 года назад
A trail i can do in 2wd in my tacoma lol even a subaru Can probably do that
@DarkDaze666
@DarkDaze666 4 года назад
Where's the difficult terrain? My old 03 Nissan Patrol would swallow this up easily, without half as much wheelspin and i wouldn't need to hit everything at a crawl. I could just drive.
@JercCro
@JercCro 4 года назад
Same for my landcruiser 200, I see him crawling where I would drive at least 20-30 kph. Maybe it is too sensitive? Or is the car allergic to dust?
@DarkDaze666
@DarkDaze666 4 года назад
@@JercCro exactly mate. Must be a land rover thing. Crawling is for rock steps only. Otherwise, just drive. Be smart, but actually go.
@gc2234
@gc2234 4 года назад
Damn I didn't think the new Defender would be that impressive off road and still look that good. I feel like I'm about to spend a lot of money. 😂
@DWillis7
@DWillis7 4 года назад
You can option better tires from factory. Also, because it’s the bigger engine car, it’s brakes are bigger and more grabby. Smaller engine has smaller brakes which are more progressive. You can then also get 18” wheels from factory alongside the off-road tires. Make sure the optional diff is there too. This wasn’t a test for either vehicle though really. The trail is easy. I’ve driven tougher trails in a standard L322 Range Rover with ease. We need some proper tests, not just driving on a dirt road.
@martiniv8924
@martiniv8924 4 года назад
Brand new discovery 🤣
@Al_Pollock
@Al_Pollock 4 года назад
65k for that old land rover. I wonder how much they actually gave the guy as trade in?
@NovelAndroid
@NovelAndroid 4 года назад
It was a fun video and great cameraman skills there to watch... keep it up!
@valdius85
@valdius85 4 года назад
TFL: can you do an actual review? Please do not follow the routs of Top Gear - "entertainment" over everything else :)
@philguzman6932
@philguzman6932 4 года назад
It's a Defender only in name.
@Romans_Toupee
@Romans_Toupee 4 года назад
This new "Defender" is pretty underwhelming, and that's putting it nicely.
@ronaldrrootiii6040
@ronaldrrootiii6040 2 месяца назад
Did Tommy say that the lr3 weighs a couple thousand pounds more than the new defender? Lol there's no way in hell because the lr3 weighs like 5700 lb so you're telling me that the new defender in the video weighs under 4,000 lb? What is it a Mustang gt? LOL that was one of the biggest errors I've ever heard
@johnwillett4086
@johnwillett4086 9 месяцев назад
Great video chaps. I could never afford the £100k that a new Defender would cost - but I *did* manage to pick up one of the last Disco4s (LR4) last August with only 34k miles on the clock and looking like brand new. Very happy. 😃
@GregsStoneYard
@GregsStoneYard 4 года назад
I haven't known many unibodies that you can lift the body off of... just saying. The LR3 is not unibody, at all. It has a full frame.The body comes completely off it.
@300bhpton
@300bhpton 4 года назад
The new Pretender is just a Disco in drag. Btw the rest of the World had Defenders until 2016, sorry you guys in the USA didn’t, nor seem to grasp this.
@cshader2488
@cshader2488 4 года назад
Man, that Disco has like no down-travel when it’s raised.
@lonerider5315
@lonerider5315 4 года назад
Lol that’s how you get stuck in ruts
@driftology
@driftology 4 года назад
That is the result of using lift rods. The jack the suspension too high in off-road height and it kills articulation. People do it to use bigger tires but in most cases you can get more traction with the stock size and the suspension working as it should.
@mosescortez711
@mosescortez711 4 года назад
Tommy's over there waving the flag like is the fourth of July for God's sake!😄😄 We just watched what a young Roman would've done.👍👍
@jakeelliott6507
@jakeelliott6507 4 года назад
Is this a joke? What're those, 26" tires? Off roading doesn't just mean dirt road 😂
@rogerwhitely2983
@rogerwhitely2983 4 года назад
Looks like a dirt driveway, that's not four wheel driving
@WbrookS-jm2bj
@WbrookS-jm2bj 4 года назад
Kinda funny that the old disco looks more like a modern defender then the new "modern defender". In all its looks were super disapointing.
@bighands69
@bighands69 4 года назад
Most of you will say that but clearly it is off road.
@bighands69
@bighands69 4 года назад
@First People Many vehicles when lifted can do so much better. But I would not say the new defender would be at the level of a Jeep. The new defender is more like the old discovery. It is clearly a very capable vehicle.
@markmartini7954
@markmartini7954 4 года назад
Why compare it against a discovery??? Doesn’t make any sense. You should compare it against the old defender. You are comparing a SUV against what suppose to be a 4x4????? It’s like compare a grand Cherokee against a whrangler...... don’t understand the video
@vindieter
@vindieter 4 года назад
People go on about the Grenadier...it’s a phantom car right now. It’s not been tested at all and people believe it’ll be the “new defender”. Seriously! Zero dealer network, testing or backup exists. Please bring one to Africa when it’s available and let’s see how comfortable you are with it’s reliability. All cars...even the new Bronco will be full of electronics...it’s literally the air suspension on the new Defender that’s the biggest difference between some of the new “overlanders” available. So after my mini rant: buy a Toyota Land Cruiser (dialup internet) for your overland journey and travel with effort yet piece of mind...or.. Buy a new Defender/Bronco/Grenadier (5G/fibre) and enjoy comfort and not a lot of piece of mind.
@Black2005Lotus
@Black2005Lotus 4 года назад
Fun to watch but proves nothing. We had a ‘97 D90. I don’t see how all the silly technology is needed off road. You just need good ground clearance and maybe a few lockers. $80K for an off roader is absurd. Base models will be closer to $50, but still. I’ll stick with my old lifted F150 thanks.
@FrigidColdFlying
@FrigidColdFlying 4 года назад
No Defenders in the US. Shame I see many on a daily basis here in Botswana. You can pick one up for less than 5k here...
@harleyrobertson73
@harleyrobertson73 4 года назад
There actually a 400lbs weight difference not 2000lbs (curb weight, with the disco being 400lbs heavier) And the better comparison is a UK disco and defender, the disco with a 2.7 tdv6 and a d250 or d200 defender as both have a closely similar horsepower
@MrCareer707
@MrCareer707 4 года назад
Proper off roader?, no you don't, what you have is a road vehicle, a proper offroader is a true 4x4 with limited electronic technology that's less likely to malfunction in severe weather conditions, if the new defender was that good don't you think that militaries around the world world be buying them in bulk?, they're not being used by militaries because of the electronics and suspension system being used, the original Defenders were proper offroaders thats why you'll see them in militaries around the world, jungles deserts and the most inhospitable places around the globe, the new defender is nothing more than a posers car to take the kids to school or to the supermarket to buy groceries. And What part of that track was offroad?, a family car could do that, personally I wouldn't trade my '94 110 300tdi for either of them. In fact I was pretty disappointed with the choice of track used. And the cheating by your father taking the easier route was pathetic. Totally disappointed with this video,14 minutes and 30 seconds I'll never get back.. Owner of a Proper Offroader
@clivekeevill4215
@clivekeevill4215 4 года назад
Sorry, but the new "Defender" is just a downmarket Range Rover. I sold Land Rovers, Range Rovers & Discoverys 30 years ago for a main dealer. Land Rovers/Defenders were originally rugged no frills utility vehicles which were bought by farmers and armies & other people that needed an all terrain vehicle. They could hose out the interior at the end of the day with no adverse effects. The same could be done with the original Range Rover. Can that be done with this vehicle? I'm afraid Land Rover have abandoned the original spirit of the Land Rover. I'm sure it's a very capable vehicle, but if people want this type of vehicle, they can buy a Discovery, to say that it's a replacement for a Defender is a complete farce, it's far too fancy.
@rynoopperman5010
@rynoopperman5010 4 года назад
😜😜😜 what a typical promotional LandRover video 😜😜😜 Outer Voice : Very Very Very Capable car Inner Voice: must not break it, must not break it, must not break it... a Good overlanding vehicle is one that can do thousands of miles year after year and keeps on going Not manages to do a track once
@ryanandrews559
@ryanandrews559 4 года назад
Let's go left and right for me, reinventing the defender to this way is just absurd😠. There's a lot you're giving up like a fun, dirty and rugged offroading from the tough old boy. With new, you'll do it with your wallet calling your mind. Too expensive and fragile. Comfort comes with a price of basic practicality.
@richardwahl1973
@richardwahl1973 4 года назад
Since when was off roading associated with racing? The real Land Rover Defender conquered Africa. If you have been adventuring on real 4x4 trips packed with gear in real off road territory the video is a good laugh and the new Jaguar Defender a luxury pavement 4x4. Guess not many have had the privilege to drive a 90 2.8i or a Disco 3.9 V8 in remote areas? Put a 70L fridge into the back of the new defender, a roof tent on top and see where you go with the rest of the gear on a real trip, then have a break down in the bundus 700km away from the nearest dealer and see where it gets you! Just a thought from someone who enjoys proper 4x4 trips and likes to get home on time.
@harveyboloten3148
@harveyboloten3148 2 года назад
Hi Tommy, How do you know that your LR3 doesn't have the optional rear locking differential ? The LR3s were built with so many different custom option combinations.
@thomastate7084
@thomastate7084 4 года назад
“That is a butt clincher moment right there” 🤣🤣
@felixdatche9278
@felixdatche9278 4 года назад
That new Land Rover, shouldn't have been a DEFENDER!!! Shoulda received a different or totally new model name. I do hope that in a decade or so they will relaunch a Defender CLASSIC...
@johnomahony7364
@johnomahony7364 4 года назад
I cant believe Land Rover released this as a Defender...it is hideous..looks like a Toyota Rav4..when it was sitting next to the yellow one at the dealership..no comparison...and 80k you said...lmfao!!!! Land Rovers are prissy little mall crawlers these days
@russcattell955i
@russcattell955i 4 года назад
OK it's good on a dry trail & hauling a horsebox to the gymkhana. But the Defender that has gone was built for Soldiers (clue is in the name) and people to get to a worksite with tools & equipment. Squaddies, pipeline workers, quarry workers & foresters destroy vehicles.
@dadventuretv2538
@dadventuretv2538 4 года назад
As an LR4 owner, finally the comparo I wanted to see. Of course as an LR4 owner I also kinda already know what the new Defender will do, since it’s basically an LR5. Fun vid. Would like to have seen the Defender do Razor Rocks tho- yes I’m speaking to you Roman! Course I also understand going for the win!! Lol but as Tommy won in an older veh, question is did youth win or age win??
@gcw6333
@gcw6333 4 года назад
So disappointed with the new defender. I think they just didn't have the money to design a proper defender unfortunately. As everyone is saying....it's just a new version of the disco. But now the new Bronco is coming!!!!
@ethanglozman1675
@ethanglozman1675 4 года назад
Oh poor Land Rover, they've gone and confused themselves... Discovery Sport is a successor to the Freelander / LR2 Defender is a successor to the LR4 / Disco Not even sure where the current Disco fits in...
@simonperry330
@simonperry330 4 года назад
Just another Capable SUV Not a Proper Defender Utility vehicle, they should have called it Pretender or Offender with LR reliability issues you would never dare take it on an expedition too much tech to go wrong.
@vtvt2690
@vtvt2690 4 года назад
I was saying recently TFL does better reviews than most because they actually take these vehicles off road. Guess I was wrong. It’s ok to put out fewer videos if they’re more thorough. Taking all the easy trails doesn’t much show what the Defender can do. Just don’t do it if it’s not a full review. All we got from this was a Landrover ad with lower production values.
@adamnixon3451
@adamnixon3451 4 года назад
They didnt even really test the new Rover. They basically drove it up a gravel road.... every "obstacle" they came across... they drove the new Rover around basically and had the old 06' Rover do it. Normally they do good videos. This was a fail and boring of "ohh you cut me off with that short cut"... "ohh look he didnt take the hard way".. yawn
@OverlandTT
@OverlandTT 4 года назад
I actually take my hat off to Ford for their new Bronco!
@benjaminkoranten-amoako7996
@benjaminkoranten-amoako7996 4 года назад
Been saying this since I first saw the design for the defender, they completely messed up the front design. Looks nothing like the previous model. You need to keep a similar design when it comes to a classic and it seems everyone (ford bronco, Mercedes g wagon) knows this except land rover. Everything else is fine though about the new discovery is fine tho, only change I my make is to have bigger tires.
@user-nu8vz5bz7w
@user-nu8vz5bz7w 4 года назад
Tommy, again so unbelievable bad. Go get a job at a VW dealer. Roman compared to Tommy looks like Cowboy George to Boy George, if you remember that old A-Team episode :D
@tosgem
@tosgem 4 года назад
Americans may not know, but the Discovery or LR3 was like a Jeep Grand Cherokee, whereas the Defender was like the Wrangler. A pure offroad model as you can see with the old, yellow one at 1:59. This new Defender is quite disgusting to many people. Landrover no longer sells a tough offroad car. Landrover has abandoned its soul. The new Defender is a fine car, it just shouldn't be a Defender. It's a Discovery / LRX
@emmaviv1
@emmaviv1 4 года назад
lol you guys cant even agree on what you payed for that lr3 . $7000 in another video then $5500 in another video then $5000 then $6000 in this video....might want to start remembering your lies ...
@hungryboy424
@hungryboy424 4 года назад
Looks just like the Discovery only the lunch box is glued to the outside ! Not as good as the old one, not an icon and never will be ! As expected the new one took the easier route, LR have ruined an icon ! Great video as always guys, and i know you need adverts to fund these, but they really are annoying, just like McGovern being in charge of Design at LR.
@nickkaraoke2128
@nickkaraoke2128 4 года назад
What i would prefer to see is not a race but a test of traction between both like they used to on that one obstacle on Gold Mine Hill. I just remember its where they failed to get the Outback up it, although that could partly be the CVT's fault. But yeah put both Land Rovers in no traction, off camber, suspended wheels, from a stop try to get up the tough bits and see who does better. Maybe they're trying a new format that is more entertaining? Thats more what i would like to see, a better off road ability test than a race where your route has easier choices. If you have to race, a better way is to time each. That could tell us that one vehicle is more efficient at off road travel which is also important in the wilderness where all there is dirt roads and jeep trails. Range could also be a good test. Which Land Rover can travel the same route off road the furthest?
@BPJac
@BPJac 4 года назад
Yaah... Would have liked to see the Defender take on the tough stuff, but I get you don't want to damage other people's stuff....Nice video anyways
@Terminator1120
@Terminator1120 4 года назад
Is that the new Honda Element? Maybe the child of the Honda Element and the Ford Flex?
@joskjj3625
@joskjj3625 3 года назад
Judging by your comment, you haven’t seen the new defender in person, in person the defender looks absolutely nothing like an element, The old defender on the screen looks like a usps mail truck but in person looks nothing like a usps truck
@Terminator1120
@Terminator1120 3 года назад
@@joskjj3625 Roger that. Thanks for the insight. I will likely never go near such an expensive car, maybe in 10 years. You are right. I have not seen it in person. Hopefully it does well.
@JamesLivewire
@JamesLivewire 4 года назад
There really is only one Defender in this video... Who in their right minds trades in the proper defender for that new pretender... that’s mental.. they’re going to really kick themselves in a couple of years... no, months, probably already is.
@MW-jg8gw
@MW-jg8gw 4 года назад
Land Rover is a joke, using Land Rover's name and make crap, they sell 5 different models of cars with a same chassis, funny thing is a lot of people actually buy them and think they are cool or smh
@david4x-ear198
@david4x-ear198 4 года назад
Both would be sitting ducks if the air suspension fails. The new Defender with coil springs would be rad. So much more aftermarket things could be done.
@mattmanix5104
@mattmanix5104 4 года назад
I usually really like your content but that was super disappointing. There was no direct comparison because you took totally different routes. Zero useful information for someone potentially looking to replace their older LR.
@JohnInSale
@JohnInSale 4 года назад
I think you guys have got it Spot On The New Defender seems a more natural replacement for the LR4 in size and shape than the LR5 is 🤔 Hopefully the New 90 version will be closer to an Old Defender Or maybe you’ll have to wait for Le Grenadier
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