I can so understand your point of view Nickie. I hope you have found a more rewarding job and I am sure you did your best for people while you were in HR.
Can you please, please, tell us why come the majority of people in HR are women? I know it's kind of a stereotype that women dominate offices, but it really seems women like to work with something that has to do with dealing with people. Specifically with issues between people, arbitrage, relations... Am I wrong?
@@awyand you mean sexual harassment? You must be in Human Resources. I have only heard about sexual harassment from one or two people in my life. Being open and honest is an assumption that most other people try to be open and honest. I've learned that most people will lie and betray whenever it suits them.
@@SubvertTheState I don't mean sexual harassment and I'm not sure why my comment leads you to believe I'm in HR?: I have simply worked in a professional environment for large organizations for over 23 years.... so I know what I should and shouldn't talk about at work.
Ever worked for a company that had and "employee advocate?" The idea is to make you think that they're a kind of "public defender" for the employees. Sure they are... And who do these "advocates" work for? HR.
It depends on the HR professional I'd say. HR like other employees need to understand they are their own brand. Whilst employed by some company which they support, HR people especially when certified, have an obligation to be fair and ethical. Whilst supporting the company, employees need to be equally supported and it's a middle ground to be struck here. HR is more an art than a science as my friend always says. HR should advise the business properly and not just execute whatever they are told. It can be very challenging though and requires very resilient personalities. For example, I was asked to issue a warning letter to a person who leaves on time. Of course I didn't do it, and pushed back. Influencing skills are important too. It can get very tiring though and perhaps that's why some professionals just go down the easier path which is to follow the instruction.
I've had a couple managers set me up for the okeydoke. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT write witness statements against other employees if asked to do so by management. An employee was covertly making comments about me, I caught on, but it didn't bother me. My manager wanted to get rid of her and used me to get a statement on her file. That situation wound up in my review and I lost the opportunity to work in a position I was already performing and fully qualified for. I was not fired, but it soured it for me. Same stuff different company. My manager asked me to write a statement against my supervisor. The person handling HR matters then shared that statement with my supervisor and my manager then tells me my supervisor is trying to write me up. It never went anywhere because I stayed in good favor, but it was so messy and unprofessional. LOL
Exactly. These companies really need to move away from having an HR department. They need something that is actually helpful to employees. A department that really does address the wrongs that happen between management and staff can still prevent lawsuits.
If you experience sexual harrassment, discrimination or witness any illegal activity from the company, get a lawyer and blindside the crap out of them. Going to HR about the problem gives the company a headstart on protecting themselves.
Lol. So true. I made this hr woman cry when I said "Thank God. I'm not happy here" when she wrongfully terminated me. She started crying! lmfao. Nothing funnier than watching the cowards live in misery.
Then the company can pretend they weren’t aware of what was happening and claim that if you had only brought it to the proper person’s attention they would have corrected it.
Best part of working from home is not having to deal with coworkers in person. No drama. No HR. Just get your work done. Dont use the computer for ANYTHING other than business. Collect paycheck.
Sadly, the current narrative is bent on attacking opinions such as yours. For instance, according to influential personality Ellon Musk, remote work if for entitled lazy people (because you can't flog them).
@@retrospectgaming8754 Unions suck anyway. Modern unions are their own form of employee manipulation often siding with management because it's easier. Just sitting back and collecting their dues from people they have no intention of helping when they need to.
@@merovmerov7631 I like Musk, but I would never work at any of his companies for that very reason--it's like he's doing you a favor by hiring you and you working tons of extra hours for no extra pay. I'm tired of all of that. Pay people what they're worth and expect that they will have lives outside of work and you don't own them just because they work for you. Amazon was the same way. So are most all of the California-based tech companies.
My dad told me about this with the army 25 years ago. Never volunteer for anything, never complain about anything, never admit to anything. They're out to get you.
When I realized HR was supporting the manager and his select employees that were regularly bullying me, I started contacting the companies counseling service instead. The manager, employees, and HR rep that was actively trying to cover it up were all terminated within a month of me being wrongfully terminated.
You know the company I work for presently now, 12 years ago I was wrongfully terminated by a supervisor who had no verbal or written warnings to me. And I should have challenged that and I should have had the guy fired and if I would have known what I know now back then, he would have been. Even though he is licensed to be a spray supervisor for the landscape company that I work for, he was nothing but trouble. He had an ego. He went through employees constantly.
Jehovah watches everything and is Just .s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
@@VestalNumbre The problem with HR is that they don't give a fk. They belong in hell for they are the devils advocate. They are the type who will sell their souls.
I did write notes diligently for 6 years. It did not help. Company i worjked for 16 years betrayed me. My worker union betrayed me - working in interest of the company (a hospital), my lawyers that worked on my case for work compensation for bullying at work place did betray me. Only my wife and family did not betray me and my doctors.
Jehovah notices everything and has a perfect sense of Justice s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
I worked for Bechtel Power Corporation as an engineer, and had an HR guy tell me that "nothing we talked about would leave his office", so I gave him the run down on the shenanigans I saw in my immediate management. True to his word, "nothing was said outside of his office", instead he brought my manager INTO HIS OFFICE and TOLD HIM EVERYTHING... Go figure where my job went after that.
Sometimes it's just better to keep your nose out of things and let others do what they will unless it will affect you personally. Even then, it's better to send an anonymous letter to upper management and let them investigate on their own without you being involved.
So what you do is get those people to accuse you of doing something instead and then when they complain to HR, they’re the ones that get terminated. Listen if the company wants to play this Machiavellian shit then by all means let the games begin
Wow I worked for them too at one point. I liked it for a while but their management were nothing but lying snakes. They'd run over their own mothers if it saved them a dollar. When we'd have those Town Hall meetings I wanted to throw up half the time listening to the CEO Nepotism Bechtel.
I learned this lesson the hard way. My manager was undermining me with a particular employee of the opposite sex. When I went to HR with my complaint I was somehow demoted a few months later. That certain employee now has my position and has hired a bunch of friends and family. I also found out HR and my manager vacation together and are besties. Doing the right thing doesn’t always work out for everyone.
These kinds of antics are rampant in HR. The problem is that HR offices are run by some seriously unethical, unprofessional demons. It's just ridiculous. I was shocked when I got my HR job because the office I was hired in NEVER hired black people. That's another issue with MOST HR offices - they're notoriously racist in hiring.
Thank God someone is bringing all the HR toxicity to light. Most of the HR departments I dealt with over the years seemed to hire the most corrupt and deranged individuals they could find.
The line manager makes the call on who's being hired. HR just gives advice, supports with interviewing and of course with attracting the right candidates based on the Job Description which includes cultural fit.
@@newtonmoon HR is deeply involved in disciplinary and termination processes, as they tend to know how to skirt labor laws better than a manager. I know from personal experience. I was fired for concerted activity with trying to organize a union and petitions. HR made the final decision. Not the production or the plant managers.
Many years ago, I realized the game is fixed, not just HR but the entire game: work, college, HR, taxes, careers, housing, investing, politics, and basically all of it. Even marriage if you marry the wrong person. For decades I’ve been discovering just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Very few people know that it is VERY deep. Everything is set up to keep you in your place, not to advance you. This is why good honest hard working people typically don’t advance in any significant way. It’s not set up for that.
Thats why Napoleon was so great he almost overthrew the system, than the rothchilds got rich after waterloo proclaiming napoleon won by falsely advertising war bonds. Its why all the European monarchs united against him 6 times because it almost , the French revolution almost spread all over Europe and changed the slave system
One thing people should really learn is never trust anybody at work. Never sign anything you do not understand. Always have options available in case you have to leave or you are terminated. ALWAYS DOCUMENT WITH A WITNESS.
Great advice this "do not trust anyone at work", they are not your buddies, or friends, they are colleagues. Keep them at arms-length, don't confide in them, and never offer an opinion on anything that is not work related. People will throw you under the bus the first chance they get if it benefits them. Oh yeah, if you are a man, never be alone in a room with a female colleague - or at least if you are, make sure the door is open and other people can see you both - always sit opposite, and never next to her.
Yeah but what if ur at ur job and their isn't any witnesses man or what if your jobs ripping you off on your check and when you ask bout them fixing it then they never message you back
I once heard this quote about HR: “HR is here to onboard new employees. Once a new employee is hired, they no longer give a damn about them.” [Their loyalty lies with the company printing their paycheck.]
Who is HR??? They are those Individuals who used Human as a Resource to give Profit to the Company. This Include Persuading you to Spy on your Colleagues outside the Company. Because this actually happens at me, where one of my HR actually Tricked me and one of my Co-worker to Spy one of our Colleague from other Department to find out whether he really got a Huge accident and Admitted at that City Hospital or Not.
Our HR department keeps it a little too real. My coworker complained about something and the HR rep told her, "just so you know everything I do is designed for the companies best interest and I'll be acting accordingly with them in mind". I was like, well damn.
@@lilblackduc7312 I know you're exaggerating but a cousin who did sub-300 level courses recently was deeply frustrated at the amount of time spent on indoctrination saying it took up more than 50% of actual classtime. It was already the theme of nearly every assignment when I was there in the early 2000's, in 03-04 in unrelated classes I did projects on racism, racism, sexism, "slow food", racism and then one about machine language translation that was great but I noticed the professor on that one was an ex-marine and I realize now he probably wasn't playing along and was impossible to fire as a veteran or something. I bet you if I check back they metoo'd him or something lol.
If you’re legitimately wronged at work, laws were broken, your rights were violated etc, get a lawyer and blindside them. Don’t go to HR. Don’t give them early warning. They are not your friend. They are the Stasi. They are deceitful and malicious.
I used to work at Home Depot and a co-worker who was a real POS and often bullied everyone else was also dealing drugs on the job. I reported him to HR and the first thing HR did was go to him and told him that it was me who reported him. He threatened my life and harassed me to the point I requested to be put on a different shift opposite from him. In return Home Depot fired me
This is the real problem with HR. They always go back to that person and give them a head's up so whatever you're experiencing gets WORSE. Usually the person just becomes more covert about what they're doing to you, in my experience. HR is horrible.
Wow this is Hilarious the same situation happened to me at Home Depot also. Been with the company for 6 years and there was a associate who got promoted to DH and the first thing he did within 2 weeks of his new title, he writes me up for some bs about stacking Drywall incorrectly. Mind you, i havent been written up in 3 years prior to this and all of a sudden this kid writes me up. I already knew once he got promoted he was gonna go after me because he would always try to act like a ASM and tell associates what to do, etc. and i told him he’s not the boss and dont tell me what to do. Its funny because almost half the store banded up and actually signed a petition to demote him from DH because of his abuse of power. But guess what? I go into the managers office and specifically told the manager this kid was always troublesome and my mistake was just that. Going to the manager and i will never forget after the conversation the manager says to me “dont worry, you wont get fired unless you do something absolutely stupid” come to find out after i made numerous complaints to HR about him, the manager opens the case and goes to HR from the headquarters side and they call me and say i am terminated but never gave me a specific reason why i was. Looking back, i dont really care because Home Depot lost a very good and hard worker. I got along fine with everybody and even had a couple ASM’s call and text me directly saying how sorry they were about what happened to me and that it was all corruption from the start. Hopefully that store Manager gets fired.
@@ggymnast3 Yep. Can confirm that HR does this. I went to HR about my boss and they went right back to my boss. So my boss just became more covert about the abuse after that so it was hard to prove. HR is full of shit.
I also work home Depot. The woke politics is shite! The female leads constantly harass my department (all males) and they done nothing about it. If anything they rationalize their bad behavior
My degree is in HR. By the time I graduated, I realized I was getting a degree in lawsuit avoidance!! This video just proves my reality check!!! I went into training and have NEVER regretted not working in HR! Sooo sad!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Occupations like lawyer, accountant and HR self-select for liars and thieves. The vast majority of people who study for those professions in good faith walk away when they realise what it entails leaving the sickos and criminals to dominate the fields.
@@erinericsson Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, how He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them
I had an employer once admit during a company meeting that the only reason he took HR classes was to " know how to put us in our place legally" and other such gems
We had a supervisor that everyone was calling HR and complaining about. I tried to warn them, but no one would listen. Not only did HR go straight to him and tell him about every complaint and who complained, but he was recently promoted to a higher position giving him even more power over those same people. Now he knows exactly who to target and he knows the company has his back.
This is 💯 true. I was in a very toxic work environment. I was bullied, publicly humiliated and exploited.This peaked during lockdown. I consulted with an attorney and spoke with the Director and not HR. The attorney told me I was screwed and I should find another job or just accept what was happening. The attorney told that unless the bullying was a violation of Civil Rights or the ADA, I had no case. I was told by the Director that nothing was going to change. I found another job and blindsided them with my resignation. No one in my agency knew how to do my job and they thought I was cowed enough not to take any action. My resignation resulted in most of the people in my unit leaving because they couldn't carry the department. Once your work environment gets toxic against you, leave. Your employer will not make things better for you. Once the bullying starts, it doesn't stop.
Another thing is… u need to stick up for yourself the second you feel mistreated! Other it’s just a matter of time till it happen again at you next job
@@V29546I don't know OP but someone at my old job literally was so horrible and he's almost 40. At one point, someone literally asked for help from anyone but him
The best thing to do is to document all incidents, have witnesses and put all complaints in writing and send all complaints to HR in emails. When I sent a complaint to HR in an email, they immediately wanted to talk to me, asked me why I sent an email, CC'd multiple HR employees, my bosses and the witnesses and why I didn't just talk to them, because now that it was documented and sent in emails to multiple people, HR would have to take action against the responsible party or put themselves and the company at risk.
Every HR fuckup I've ever heard of is due to inhuman levels of stupid and ignorance. It's only a short matter of time until these imbeciles commit some heinous malicious mistake. So it's not surprising that they react in such a way.
I was being harassed by a creep at my last job, and I very stupidly tried reporting it to HR. After her ‘investigation’, the HR lady came back and said she found no evidence of harassment, and in fact had come to the conclusion that I was in the wrong! The creep denied any wrongdoing and told her that I was being rude to him for no reason, and she decided to take his side and get rid of me instead. Ultimately the worst part of all this - that creep just got away with harassing me and now knows he can continue to get away with it and HR won’t do a thing. I feel sorry for whoever his next victim is.
I definitely learned my lesson! I at first didn’t say anything about the harassment as I was worried I would be accused of lying and lose my job, but after two years of it I’d finally had enough and couldn’t keep quiet any longer. I at first told my supervisor, and he actually said ‘I’m not sure if we should go through the HR lady because her and that guy (the creep) are quite close’ so even he had suspicions about her! So instead of going directly to her, we tried going to our general manager, but he then went to her, claiming ‘we have to go through HR for things like this’, and she claimed right off the bat that because the harassment started so long ago and because the creep only ever targeted me when there was no one around (so no witnesses) that they couldn’t investigate it, but they would speak to the creep anyway. The creep then claimed I’d been rude to him and HR ended up starting an investigation against me! The creep claimed he had ‘witnesses’ to my rude behaviour, and HR got statements from them which backed up his claims, but I noticed immediately on reading those statements that they contained lots of inconsistencies and things that just didn’t make sense, so I knew they weren’t true statements. I pointed these inconsistencies out to HR/management, but they still believed them! I believe the creep simply went to these ‘witnesses’ and told them of my claims against him and they agreed to back him up. I told the HR lady that was my opinion and she completely denied it as a possibility. ‘Oh, they signed those statements as accurate, and they know if they make false statements they could face disciplinary action so they would *never* do the that!’ My response was ‘well how can you *prove* whether they’re accurate or not??’ and she had no reply. She then fired *me* for ‘serious misconduct’ for ‘bullying’ the creep and ‘lying’ in my statements. This is *exactly* what I was worried would happen and why I didn’t report it sooner!
Honestly for me I wouldn't go to HR done my research it's not for the workers it's actually for the business it's how it was set up. I think people get a little misconception what HR is but I mostly think people wind up wasting their lives no offense working for businesses so long they drain their energy when back in the day even in the old times you were paid daily mainly because people didn't want to waste your life and your time you just work somewhere for a few days and moved on to another town and gained experience I'm a bit of a nerd here kind of liking the old anime I think when it comes to like full-time and part-time people should settle down somewhere first. what do you think?
@@shoeplayisbad1 sadly HR is not for the employees people that believe it's for the employees it is not it is for the company when a faulty product a customer buys and has to return it the store that has the product calls the company's HR department HR is not for the employees this is why HR keeps getting backed up between people calling in about faulty products and the employees. When it comes to benefits that's between the one being interviewed and the employer, and secondly it Corporation cannot give a contract to a man or a woman it is against corporate law you can look up UCC 1-308 there's a thing called Hierarchy laws
Hierarchy laws Universal laws- main principal (whatever energy you put out must come back) Natural law- deals with natural ways of all objects and being which have manifested in the third dimension. Laws of maxim- also known as God's law" those laws come straight out of the Bible enter the highest laws of the land they are right given by God to all beings and cannot be taken away by anyone Sovereign- human being a being that is master of self operates under God's laws has the ability to create laws and constitutions for itself and corporations that it creates. Contract law- a set of laws would Sovereign worldwide adheed to in Commerce offers + acceptance = contract. Treaties- laws made between two sovereigns that deal with a particular track of land Constitution- laws created by a sovereign that govern a corporation created by a sovereign Corporation- a dead fiction entity operates under the laws of the Constitution developed by the sovereign does not have the ability to create laws can only create code statutes and ordinances. Federal codes- codes which govern the corporation with corporations including UCCS Police corporations and agents- private agencies of corporations that belong to equivalent to a private citizen. Citizen- a slave of the corporation to which it pledges does not have rights only has privileges which are given to it by the corporation to which it pledges Not only this however never put an "of" in between a state or a city example California States is different from State of California Michigan county is different than the city of Michigan County Missouri State it's different then state of Missouri And finally each state has their own Constitution plus there's the United States for America's Constitution Oh and a resident by definition is someone in a particular area for business we are not residents in our homes we are occupants we occupy we don't reside Not only that federal law has no High Ground over state law in the Constitution states have authority the federal government does not
Once had a friend who went to HR for nearly everything, and thought they were her friends. I tried to tell her that HR was to protect the company, not her. She pooh-poohed me, but soon after, they "friended" her right out of that company.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I hated when HR was around and colleagues, they'd be all friendly and chipper with you and brown nose the HR rep. I'd say not a word and put in my headphones in.
Tips: Treat work as it is: A Job. Its not a social gathering of friends and it sure as hell isn't a "family". Keep your head down and don't get noticed while doing work. They have all the power.
@@NormanReaddisthat's easier said than done mate. Because I've joined a company that was great then a few years later new directors took control and then it turned to be a vial and horrible place to work. No matter how good managers or HR are even if they care. If the directors at the top tell HR to cut costs. They have no choice
Rule of thumb: Don’t go to HR unless it is important enough that you would be willing to pay an attorney to defend your rights. HR is not a counselor and is not your mom or dad. They aren’t there for whining about small things - they are a business protecting the bottom line. HR can easily find ways to write you up and get you fired if you are more trouble than they think you as an employee may be worth.
First place to go would be a good labor attorney and let their office document the issues. At some point, the attorney will have enough data that HR can't backtrack
This is true, I've seen multiple coworkers fired after going to HR with their problems. Just keep your head down and if you don't like your workplace apply elsewhere. It's not worth being unemployed.
I worked in HR for 25 years and felt the same way you did. A majority of the problems we encountered was due to management not being trained on how to manage. They would throw people into positions and they either sank or swim. To me, this just set people up to fail.
It's been my experience the worst employees get promoted because higher ups are tired of them screwing up, the company can't afford to move great workers off the line.
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I’ve met a good HR lady, I even caught my manager rolling his eyes at her during our meeting, she was doing her job in good faith, The next meeting they had replaced her with some nasty HR guy, can tell his very narcissistic! At the end, I didn’t leave without a fight and I don’t regret it.
I was being harrassed by a coworker once. I made the mistake of going to management. What this man says is spot on. I would never do it again unless i was prepared to leave my job immediately.
Same, I ended up in a meeting with the person, HR, and management. The person still harasses me, and it's been three years. My daughter has also gone through this. Then they wrote her up for laughing, because the supervisor is buddies with the other person.
@@jordant993Never resign when you are sexually harassed. Make them fire you so you can get unemployment. Keep the records of the harassment and show it to the unemployment office.
I totally agree. I was an accident investigator for an airline. HR would sometimes try to get involved and it was a pleasure to give them a real kicking for doing so. What these mean arseholes could not stand was that their attempted or actual involvement would always be documented. HR were cited as a problem and not part of the solution. They didn’t like that at all.
Some of the best ways to combat this kind of stuff are to live below your means, save lots of money if you can so you have a rainy day fund, and never get too comfortable in any job where you think you're not expendable. There's always a beginning and an ending to every position and understanding that you're just there to do your job and provide for your family is a good way to think about work. Never take it personally, just focus on yourself and your job performance and walk softly around the troublemakers and keep a low profile.
I remember the days long ago when I worked for a company that really believed the job of HR was to look out for employees. The company knew the value of its employees and that the best way to keep this resource - and keep them happy and motivated - was by treating employees honestly and fairly. HR was an advocate for employees with management - that was their job. Perhaps those days are long gone and many companies today do not realize the value of their employees.
I've personally experienced everything he is expressing. Never go to HR. Save your company emails, try to only communicate with management in writing and retain a attorney.
@@stratelite1337 It's more accurate to say the investigation is to find out what evidence the employee has, whether it's incriminating, and whether the employee has made said evidence available to themselves and their attorney outside the employer's control. Hence, every company having strict infosec, recording, and nondisclosure clauses nowadays; they want to be able to fire you if you, for example, email incriminating evidence to yourself or record HR conversations (in a one-party consent state) which you can access outside company resources. The one and only time I got significant headway in an HR investigation against a hostile supervisor, was when they fudged their DARVO shtick. I clapped back with a zip document containing dozens of screenshots; Slack chatlogs; Quip backups and changelogs; recorded meeting notes and minutes with dates, times and names; and archived emails that I'd sent from my personal email, with my attorney CC'ed and a "no uncertain terms" reminder that retaliation is illegal by state and federal law. They got the message, my case was escalated to corporate, and it was actually handled fairly from that point forward. So naturally, not a month later our infosec policy magically, mysteriously, changed so that chatlogs are wiped regularly, and the Windows snipping tool was disabled on all company computers.
One great thing about RU-vid is that it's allowed Lawyers create so much more value in the world. This information is super helpful to a lot of people, but ordinarily it would be way less likely for them to find out about that. Traditionally, this kind of helpful information would at least be behind some kind of paywall. Everybody wins now, because the lawyer gets to educate people and advertise at the same time.
In my 30 year career over 7 organizations I have never met a HR that protected employees over the company. I know of several very troubling harassment incidents at these companies and the company basically used the opportunity to help themselves build cases against the poor employees. This video is pretty much spot on.
@GodwynDi heh that sounds about right. I came into HR to help employees. I do exactly that and it results in stonewalling and terrible job security for me. Csuite eventually catches on to the changes I implement and when that happens my days are nunbered. Those changes? Educating the workforce on their rights, writing policies that make employers accountable and general agitation with subtle "unionize" hints to name a few. By the time I'm getting scurried out the door the damage is done. I've met 2 other HR reps in my 8yrs that had integrity but man is that rare, it sucks to be hated because so many of my peers out there are horrible people...but if it's not me it's some shite people that will run the show as you mentioned. When I left CA to be with family in IL I noticed a HUGE difference on employees not knowing their rights, and astonished at the lack of rights we have in comparison... IL DOL is severely lacking teeth.
When i was younger i had to learn a hard lesson about HR in that they are for the company not the employee. That said; everyone refers to them as HR... Mostly because its quicker to say, but think about what that stands for... Human Resources. We are the resource they need to continue. The department/title tells you everything you need to know about where they stand. Nothing more than a resource that they can exploit.
Who is HR??? They are those Individuals who used Human as a Resource to give Profit to the Company. This Include Persuading you to Spy on your Colleagues outside the Company. Because this actually happens at me, where one of my HR actually Tricked me and one of my Co-worker to Spy one of our Colleague from other Department to find out whether he really got a Huge accident and Admitted at that City Hospital or Not.
You prefer the other BS term they're using? "People and culture?" I call them overpaid jackasses that bring nothing of value to a company. Well, most of them. I have know at least one HR person who had a conscience and tried to do right by her charges.
> It's amazing that there are still people in the workforce that are so blissfully ignorant that they believe HR is there for the employees benefit. I'm amazed so many people believe 'governments' are there to help them.
It’s really not the fault of people in the workforce that they are “blissfully unaware” of whose interests HR really represents when these companies are allowed to effectively lie to their employees about HR’s true role. The only way most learn about this is by becoming a victim of the system by trying to resolve issues through HR. Students should be taught about this in high school, before they ever enter the workforce, so they can protect their interests. But instead these schools teach “wokeness” and other such divisive propaganda. We live in a corporate state, not a democracy.
I've always found it interesting that most employees think HR is there for them. They aren't! They're there to protect the company. In almost every case I've ever witnessed in which an employee complains to HR about something or someone, it ends up not turning out well for the person complaining.
There are certain times when an employee should complain, but not at the frequency in which people go to HR nowadays. I make a clear line in my video How to Complain Properly to HR.
Absolutely. I work in HR (and I love my job) and I was doing an interview the other day for a position in my own team. The (quite junior) candidate was going on and on about how they want to “help people” by joining HR. I stopped them to explain they were going to be working for a company, and it would sometimes mean unpopular decisions…
My complaint I brought to HR actually went pretty well. I started out (and factually true) with "I already sought legal counsel and was instructed to come here before we continue"
@@waqasleo315 That's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a strong chance you were just in the wrong. I've seen a lot of workers who don't understand the simple dynamic of "do the work, get paid", and expect something more from employment.
@@SyndicateOperativethis isn't the 1980s or 1990s corporate world. Most do their job. The issue is managers create environments of hostility which doesn't make employees work better all the time
I have worked for my company for ten years. Never had a customer complaint. One day customer comes in and i asked her politely to step back because we were still being careful as regards to covid. Next thing i knew i was up for an investigation. This customer was on her own when i served her. She emailed head office and told them quite a tale of me being rude. She also got a friend who was in the shop but in another area to complain to a manager about me upsetting her friend. My work colleagues were investigated and no one through me under the bus because the customer had lied. The next stage was disciplinary. There was no evidence. I asked the company to check camera footage there was no evidence. I was given a wriien warning that lasts a year. Also listening about company handbook. I did not sign a company handbook ever. It sucks that shop workers have no protection with false allegations. You have bee very insightful thank you
You hit the nail right on the head. Seen this stuff actually play out way too many times. Don't ever be that "company person"... in the end, you could give your life for the company and you would not even be a distant memory the next.
I learned the hard way that HR exists to protect the company and upper management. Thats it. They are not there to help you at all. They are the absolute WORST department that actively works against you.
@@variant101 for me it was calling out my manager for reducing my role to in an attempt to get me resign. Provided evidence. Instead of supporting me, they offered me 5 months salary to leave.
This information is spot on. As someone who has worked with many companies as clients, I have learned over the years that HR managers are the biggest two-faced snakes in any company.
I wish I knew about this when I was still in college. Unfortunately, I experienced almost everything that you've discussed. It totally changed me from being a friendly happy person to a distrustful one not wanting to socialize with coworkers. I realized that coworkers are not your friends or allies. They too will backstab or lie to save their jobs or to get promoted. The union helped save my job but my career died. Continuing to work there is like counting the days till you complete your sentence.
@@lindahollander3588 it's more difficult now with the diversity equity and inclusion workplace requirements. All it takes is to have one very sensitive person to get you disciplined.
@@bones5785 yep. I used to work in a kitchen with a college boy from the south. He refused to clean underneath the cool boxes. He would literally leave old food underneath the counters which attracts rats and roaches in downtown San Diego. He complained about "hostile work environment" because I would yell at him for refusing to clean food off the floor. He would try to sneak around it by offering to do the cleaning while I did the dishes, but I always knew he volunteered to "clean" because he was a lazy POS who would just sweep food under the counters. So anyway that's why the American Comedy Company doesn't serve hot food anymore.
@@bones5785 Tell me about it. The younger work force get a little title and push the power and you stand your ground --- BOOM! You're being disrespectful. So I've increased my sensitivity level to get them first. It's stupid but I only have 2 more yrs before I can retire with medical. I would retire now if I could get medical benefits. I have cancer but I don't believe I'm terminal enough to get Federal Disability. Doctor mentioned disability through work but I'm essentially minimum wage and 50% of that, I can't live off. I'm thinking of cutting off my treatment. I'd rather just die than have to keep working and die on their clock never to have a fucking retirement.
I was bullied by my line manager on several occasions and went to HR with evidence and witness testimonies. I had glowing appraisals prior to this. The bullying was downplayed by HR and I was isolated and set up for failure. God saved me and quickly got me out of that toxic environment. HR works for the employer, not employees. It is so obvious now. They often have no integrity or value for people. Be smart people! I pray for peace in your life ❤
I’ve Been there I was in that situation for 9 and a half years. Right before I got out of that company, I threatened to personally sue each manager in that company. I told the HR rep during the meeting I wasn’t coming after the company, just the on site management. They ran out of there so quickly because I wrote my whole day down everyday. Take time to heal from that it’s important took me 2 years because I was harassed so badly. In the end God provided me a way out, he hears what’s going on trust him!
@@KaozVirtus God has actually really blessed me financially because I’ve been faithfully tithing. If you’re looking for a Bible thumper you’ve got the wrong guy
Yeah. HR at the Amazon where I worked was more than horrible; they were aggressively vicious. Just part of Amazon's unspoken "revolving door" employee management syndrome: Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing.
I got fired after they installed a new policy they never disclosed to me about quality and production, didn't have money to pursue them nor could find my original agreements and policies when i first joined years ago
Same here my friend! When I was still with Amazon a couple of years back I got into a big fight with one of the HR reps because he came at me with that macho wannabe attitude. Amazon HR reps are the absolute worst!!
"Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing." To be fair, that's not just Amazon. It's definitely all tech companies in the Valley and, from my experience, most companies in the USA.
It’s not just HR, managers also work against employees. My manager worked against me for an entire year or two before I realized it. Now i take steps to protect myself.
Exactly how was your manager working against you? Can you at least provide some details? Was he blocking you from getting a promotion? Was he trying to get you fired?
Same here! Since my state allows undisclosed audio recordings to be used as evidence, I use my cell phone to record every. Single. One on one conversation I have with HR or my manager. They are not your friends. They are not there to help you when it gets tough.
To me, it's a simple matter of "Who's buried in Grant's tomb". The department is called "human resources". They hire just enough human beings to get the job done, pay them just enough to keep them from quitting, a lay some of them off occasionally to scare the rest of them into working longer hours. You are a living, breathing human being, working hard to support your family, and you are literally just a disposable RESOURCE to them.
Thanks for everything you do. I'm on long term sick leave regarding a workplace injury, and keep being called by HR pretending to be concerned for my welfare, but really they are reporting back to management trying to undermine my case. Everyone thinks I am paranoid, including my medical team, but having viewed this video. I feel vindicated.
Trust your gut. I've seen people who were great employees without a single blemish to their record get fired after getting a cancer diagnosis. The company suddenly came up with a reason they weren't doing a good enough job. But it was really so they didn't have to accommodate their chemo and radiation treatments. The employer was a hospital of all places.
I can relate to this. I'm working for a company that when I announced my cancer diagnosis almost three years ago and had surgery, they offered only half of wages for FMLA. At the time I'd been with the company 8 years. I was out 7 weeks to heal from my surgery and ended up taking out a loan just to make up the difference of what they wouldn't pay me. This is legalized wage theft to the N degree. Brandon is right, companies as a rule truly dont support employees, unless you bend over backwards to kiss their ass and even this is NO GUARANTEE you will keep or have a job.
Trust your gut. I was on worker’s compensation and the company told me don’t worry about my job and just get better. During my physical therapy sessions, I found out more times than not, people loose their jobs. Sure enough, when I called to let them know I was released to work, I was told I no longer had a job.
@@moosefoot11221 FMLA only keeps your employer from firing you while you're on medical leave for yourself or your family, it doesn't guarantee any wages while on leave.
I recently learnt 1 HR is for the company 2. open door policy is anything but 3. When HR says ‘no stress, no drama’ it is in fact the opposite 4. No such thing as an anonymous survey In short get in stay quiet do your work then go home. It is work and everyone that works there is not your friend
I can vouch on the arbitration thing even here in Iowa. It's recently reinforced worker's rights and my company tried to get everyone to sign an arbitration agreement. My uncle and I got pretty good at Legaleze and so I read through the whole thing and looked them dead in the eyes right as my coworkers were about to sign (cause they were dumb and tried to do this all in a big group) and said, "I refuse. I won't sign this even if it costs me my job." My coworkers asked why and I explained they couldn't sue the company if they got injured doing something they were effectively ultimatumed into doing. They'd have to take it to the company's judge. HR tried to say I was wrong and it was a neutral private judge and I said, "Private judge? Who pays him?" And they tried to deflect by saying it could be a woman so I said, "Them, than. Who pays them?" The argument went on for a bit longer before everyone in my crew at my department (maintenance) refused and so I looked at them. "What's it gonna be? Hire 8 new mechanics in the next 3 days or go forward with the risk?" Whelp. I had my job for another 3 years after that. Now the company is going belly up because of poor management.
The way to break them of arbitration is to Uber-tration them and have everyone file at once. Sign the papers and then file for being coerced to sign the papers. Collect notes on anything that even implies you're being pressured to sign. Most states have the concept of constructive terminatition. That's when your employer does something that effectively constitutes firing you like changing shifts to force a single Mom work during the time she should be picking up her kids. Make them hire enough arbitration judges for the entire company since most arbitration agreements include language around the time permitted to conduct the arbitration. That cost alone can bankrupt some companies.
Years ago, I was sucked into a harassment suit with an abrasive coworker whom the managers had been trying to fire but they had no real grounds. A supervisor went to HR and claimed this person harassed me. I get informed that I had to go to HR and support this story even though I had not filed any complaint. I go in and state he had never harassed me, he was just sarcastic. Months later when the case came up, the HR person had made up all sorts of claims. I shot down all those lies while asking why didn't she provide the taped inquiry? I was furious about being used as a pawn by my superiors.
wellbeing a Project Execution Admin, I only go to HR, for Problem Occurring on our Vendor/Contractor's Compliances at our Customer Site, because this will delay or Completely Halt the Payments from the Customer site. Here in this case, you will found the Proactiveness in HR Dept, Because that will be the Company as a Whole Concern Not an Individual's Problem . Other than that, I don't even peep or discuss anything to the HR dept.
I resigned from my job after HR “investigated” me for a ridiculous claim of bullying made by the trainer of an online seminar I participated in. Apparently my tone made him feel “unsafe.” I thought it must be a joke, but no, they were deadly serious. HR never told me who they interviewed or which questions they asked, but they found me guilty of “misconduct” and ordered me to attend two more training sessions on “effective communication” with the very same trainer who made the complaint against me 🤔
wait a minute, a trainer in an online seminar, and you made him feel "unsafe", like you weren't actually in the room with them, and I'm assuming you had the good sense to not use any outwardly hostile language, that can be a problem in 2022 as a lot of people have lost their better judgement in the name of "freedom of speech" without understanding what that means. Anyway if you do mind your ps and qs and this happened he was definitely just out for a repeat customer.
This is why it is so very important whenever approaching HR at the beginning of any dispute to outline that any and all communication regarding "this" is to be via email, also if it is done on a work device - phone / computer (which will more than likely be the companies IT department as the devices "administrator" I would highly recommend forwarding all communication to your personal email address.
If you want to complain about something serious, 1) be ready to leave that job, 2) bring your attorney to the meeting. They will be much more cautious with you and probably have their attorney attend the meeting.
Your lawyer will cover this, but everything from you has to be in writing. It is important to have an accurate record of exactly what your complaint is. If you check , it is also helpful to use exact phrasing lifted from your state's employment law. For example: "California law requires that employers pay overtime, whether authorized or not, at the rate of one and one-half times the employee's regular rate of pay for all hours worked in excess of eight up to and including 12 hours in any workday, and for the first eight hours of work on the seventh consecutive day of work." Don't put quotation marks around it, just drop it into your complaint. They will recognize where it comes from and will understand that you are setting them up for a lawsuit if they do not follow the law. Also find a way to work in some language about retaliation: "Retaliation occurs when an employer (through a manager, supervisor, administrator or directly) fires an employee or takes any other type of adverse action against an employee for engaging in protected activity." Again, they will be expecting a lawsuit for Employer Retaliation if they fire you. Depending on the company, they may hold a grudge and slowly try to get you out of the company. But it will take a few years to avoid the appearance of unlawful retaliation. If it takes long enough, they may just forget about it, if your work is satisfactory otherwise in the mean time.
Either bring an attorney or have a letter from an attorney stating that they are looking into the details of your claim and generally companies will completely back off from you because they then know that you know how all the games are played and that you have legal counsel. Never make open threats, just do it and then watch management bend over backward to try to avoid a lawsuit with you.
Yes, have an exit plan in place as well as legal representation. Keep cool, otherwise this will escalate into an unwanted altercation. In this violent society we have now be very careful.
just found this channel. He is of course 100% correct. HR is never your friend, many younger employees believe mistakenly that HR is like the high school counselor. Don’t go to them for anything, other than information on employee benefits. And even when you do that, they might just hand you the employee benefits booklet.
I worked in a unionised site and believe me, a lot of this is somewhat quashed when you have a strong union because policies and processes are clearly documented and often negotiated. Incidentally, I have a background in HR and most do not realise how insiduous some HR departments can be. They key point to remember is that HR departments serve the interests of the employer not the employee.
@@brianmccarthy5557 True doesn't matter if you think you have a friend an uncle or cousin to play big brother. Don't matter when the time comes and If nobody really has a special use for you,Your mostly on your own and you can feel it ! Period.
Unfortunately, unions have been promoting wokeist bs for years. HR departments and their lawyers weaponize wokeism to their advantage, and why wouldn't they? It's the perfect means to create fear and mistrust among workers who are too "loud", or who look at someone "inappropriately". ANYONE can be accused of this nonsense and have no defence for it, which is precisely why it's been weaponized.
I was in banking for 20 years. Made VP and was doing millions in new business generated by me. Thought they would feel they needed me. NOPE. In 2008 when my book of business had a few ailing companies it was MY fault they couldn't pay their bills. They tried to keep my bonus, Well they did, but I went to HR to make them fire me and pay me severance-which was more than the bonus. I used HR knowing full well it would implode my career. I work for the County government now - union and Civil Service. I did real well but at the end of the day large organizations are political, and I'm not a "people person".
Always felt this in my bones in my work-life. Glad to have it confirmed. My advice: treat work as nothing more than work. Document everything, with witnesses, cc all the relevant people about everything. Don't look for interpersonal relationships. Don't get too close to anyone, just try to be polite and cool in every situation.
The worst thing about arbitration is that the companies will often require you to sign it as a contingency of getting the job. There is often no way to refuse if you want or need the job.
It should be illegal to arm twist a potential employee especially in a state like Texas where they let businesses/ companies do whatever they want. But on the flip side, you have to look at how many companies have been sued in the past for the most minute issues and had to pay billions. For every action there's a reaction. I'm just hoping they can revise those arbitration clauses in their handbooks for the sake of justice.
Well guns, gas, and ammo are cheep. The french hung their nobility when the financial difference between the poor and the rich was much smaller then it is now. While i dont advocate for violence, it is understandable and unfortunate that some people have to choose that route.
@@ashtonfox2264We’re getting there. Americans just have to realize they have the numbers. Even money can’t win against a majority, ON THE STREET. In the COURTROOM or LEGISLATIVE BUILDING, not so much.
I’ve had to learn the hard way on some of these. It really opened my eyes to how important the social factor at work is. At the end of the day you can be good at your job, but if you don’t fit in they will document nonsense and get rid of you. Meanwhile other people who fit in can do whatever they want and there’s no repercussions. Thank you for being open and honest about how things actually work in corporate america.
Amen. It’s sad truly, but hey one day we won’t need HR anymore. For heaven don’t have any liars or deceivers( plus more) there. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Tell the Lord, Jesus Christ that you are sorry for your wrong doings and you need His help. Ask Him to come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior and He will. Start reading the Bible talking, listening, and obeying His Word as best you can. He will help you from the moment you receive Him as your Lord and Savior.
Yep, see this at my job every day. They're also big on DEI stuff, black and especially black women get away with murder. I had to point out some pretty significant mistakes they've made and dereliction of duties and been told "they don't have the same work ethic as you, it's unfair to expect that of them. Why are you trying to make them look bad?" No, I was just showing you that they're blatantly ignoring company policies. But I'm the bad guy.
@@shawnd9759 Oh give me a break. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If prayer and religion were the answer then humanity would never have denigrated to this point in the first place. Your Jesus didn't lift a finger to save his people during WW2 so what makes you think he's going to help anyone now?
One OTHER thing you must know, the plant nurse is not there to protect YOU or your health, she's there to protect the company and company's interests only.
you think your posting up exactly what he just clearly stated is helpful, needed or just a ploy by you in hopes of looking intelligent for the sake of attention?
It really does blow my mind how often I hear friends or acquaintances talking about how they've been wronged at work, and how they plan to get in touch with HR about the situation. They never seem to understand when I explain to them that, that's probably not a good idea. They don't seem to even believe me. But I was actually part of a class action lawsuit against an employer while I was still working for them. The employer was so bad that, when I gave my hours long videotaped deposition, they weren't even entirely aware of the fact that I still worked for them. It was kind of a nightmare but it was a very interesting and informative experience. Do not talk to HR. They are not your friend. Neither are your coworkers. Don't forget that last one especially.
When my company was targeting older higher-paid workers for layoffs, HR would only meet in-person or on the phone. So, we started documenting the key points discussed in the conversations, and sending a traceable email back to HR, giving them a chance to dispute the synopsis of the discussion. This email was also sent to selected co-workers and done immediately after the conversation with HR. And it worked. They stopped the layoffs.
Congrats! That's awesome. I am looking at this especially as many docs are choosing to become employees. Good luck with school and residency applications!
Worked for aldi in Australia…a large corporate with an HR department that does NOT deal with employee issues. Everything is done through the employees “personnel leader” who is your boss’s boss. So if you have any issues with your boss, you have very little chance that his/her boss is going to support you. I was bullied by my personnel leader with full support of his boss, as they tried to eliminate me for opposing forced medical interventions. They claimed sudden “performance issues” after more than a decade of stellar performance. I was gaslit and betrayed. I trusted but was unprepared for their brutal agenda. Devastatingly traumatic
The bigger the company the worse it. A manager at a company that i worked at got sent to HR so many times by employees that people stopped complaining. They backed him up 100% and he was corrupt beyond anything.
The best way to protect yourself from a lot of these things that he's talking about is after you talk to HR on the phone you take notes and then you send HR an email confirming what was stated over the phone
Coworker went to HR and they wanted to record convo. They said sure but they were going to record convo too. HR didn’t want to have meeting then. They didn’t want to be recorded
Lmfao. The co worker was stupid. Why would you announce recording someone? Thats like telling a mafia boss you have a wire in your shit and want to record them. Co worker should've bought a pen or hat that secretly records and saves the audio then attach the audio in the email CCing everyone who needed to be notified as well
If you have a legitimate case against the company, you don't talk to HR at all. They represent the company's interests, why feed them any info that makes their job easier?
I’m someone who doesn’t understand social nuance. I often times don’t understand all this corporate nonsense, my parents never had to navigate it. This was super helpful and insightful to understand how things actually work. Thank You!
I played a mean, dirty trick on an HR Mgr once who fired a real good person in our dept (well over 30 yrs ago) who herself had gone to HR over a supervisor sexually harassing her. She didn't deserve that treatment so I decided I was going to get even with the head of HR on her behalf and it was a harmless prank. He would brag during hunting season about the doe's and buck's he killed every year and that got old so I wanted to hit him in the pocketbook as well as in his hunter's heart... I took a day off knowing the mgr's wife was out of town that day and snuck over to his house early in the morning just after he left for work. Quickly I swiped the electric meter off the side of his house and promptly dropped it into a dumpster behind a gas station. He was fit to be tied the next day because his fridge and 'three' deep freezes (all deer meat filled) stopped working and he lost all his fresh food plus he had to deal with the electric company repair crew to get it reconnected the following day before his wife got back.
@@Emc4421 I guess that depends. If they own their clinic they probably don't need to do any navigating. If they work at a hospital, they probably have protection from getting fired because they are doctors. They may worry about malpractice though.
One of the best tools you have to defend yourself as an employee is to keep detailed records of events. Keep date, time, persons in conversation, what was said, etc in your records. Do not tell *anyone* you keep the records! Also, be sure to know the employment laws of your state and how to contact the DOL in your state. Remember, companies are only interested in their welfare, not yours. I have won a case against one of my former employers but the process is draining.
Absolutely. Thank you for writing such a relevant comment. I speak from both observation and experience as I write this. This information is likely going to save certain people lives, sanity, mental health and career trajectory. I've seen it work in very ugly work situations. Be your own insurance policy. Do the essential write up, even though it may feel somewhat redundant or tedious. Look over your day and just write entry or bullet point format of what was covered by HR, management or how situations were handled. This is going to be the facts you will rely on (with dates, possible times and names, as mentioned above).
My wife made a complaint about her employer to the California DOL when we lived there. The DOL arbitrator basically did all the things talked about in this video. Her employer had routinely had complaints filed, and he was practically on a first name basis with the arbitrator.
My friend was bullied at work and she wanted to go to HR. I told her i know how to deal with issues like that very well as it was part of my job to take care of problems. She never was messed with by that person again.
This is why, in Australia, the employment arbitration commission is an arm of government - not paid for by the company , and completely impartial (as it should be).
@@adventuress904 Not everyone lives in China, North Korea or the United States. Many countries have minimum wages set to a living wage, unfair dismissal legislation, mandatory paid leave for all employees, paid parental leave for all citizens, free healthcare, free university education, unemployment payments, government housing to decrease homelessness, free mental health… the list goes on.
@@adventuress904this mindset was carefully cultivated and spread by decades of neoliberal propaganda exactly so we wind up in the state we are now. Other countries get on just fine because they actually take their institutions seriously and invest in em.
@@adventuress904 this is also a case for bureaucracy is a good thing but you can never make that case to voters. Voters will just think it's more tax and wasted administrative space, even though it's an invaluable tool to dispense proper justice. Politicians know this And we'll take advantage of this feeling and will actively lie and say that more bureaucracy is bad, all in an effort to favor big corporations. I'm not even going to pretend like there's a Left Right bias split on this. Literally nobody who cares about their employment laws should ever be voting for any right-wing candidate
After 20+ years of experience in corporate America, I concur that this information is 1000% accurate! (Yes, 1000%, not 100%) It's sad but true. HR is just a political tool for the company to use against employees.
Why does everyone act as if this is a surprise? I own a company and we maintain an HR Department to manage the employment process, maintain required documentation, process legally required issues such as FMLA and whatnot. WE DON'T CALL IT THE MOMMY AND DADDY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT ISN'T. Never pretended it was.
@@pcp-xo1wj It's definitely not a surprise and that's the sad reality of this subject. It's a shift from the culture of HR over the last few decades. Formerly, they were an unbiased business unit - an advocate for the employees and for management. Today, many HR departments have lost the component for care for the employees and only work on behalf of the organization. Instead, they have shifted to an unethical and political tool for the management. I own a business as well as a Business Consultant and this is one of the pitfalls that I help companies avoid. Hope this helps!
I just recently got let go and EVERYTHING you mentioned in this video makes SO much sense. I was on a PIP “personal improvement plan” and so many lies against me led to this situation I’m in. I NEVER had to deal with HR ever in my career until my last manager (who I already didn’t like) had it out for me and HR never saw where I came from just stuck up for the manager and the company. I appreciate this video. Thank you !
Yea I can’t even get Unemployment because of my last job. I was on a PIP as well. Highkey I wanna get the HR bitch beat up but I can’t. I was working with an Auto car company. Last job I’m ever gonna have in my life. They’re just not for me.
My HR is a nightmare in a different way. They want a family dynamic in the company. Thanks to this, they keep forgiving toxic coworkers and pretty much forces us to adapt to them. Why?
This is one of the many reasons why I’ve worked for myself and own my own business. Corporations have no loyalty to you and most have absolutely no interest in helping you realize your true potential. You are a cog in the wheel and disposable. There are no tax advantages to bring an employee. There are tons of tax advantages to being your own boss. “But I get benefits from my company…” You can find better more cost effective benefits being self-employed. The stories I hear from friends who work in corporate America are nuts. If you can control your own destiny and own your future, do it.
@@keithmarlowe5569, unfortunately, I don't have the time or capacity to take on any additional clients. Still, I would recommend, as you have a local SBA, that you probably also have a SCORE (Society of Retired Executives). SCORE Is an excellent organization that will connect you with mentors tailored to your needs as you start your new journey. You can do all your paperwork to establish your LLC online, and your SCORE mentor can help you with the steps, from your business plan to financing, implementation, and execution. One suggestion, if you don't have one already, find a great accountant and familiarize yourself with tax law. Best of luck, and happy new year!
This is 100% true in every way shape and form. I've been working for the same company for 21 years. We've always wondered why we can't keep GOOD HR people around. They always quit. Word gets out its a toxic environment and if a nice HR person actually cares about helping the employee they are forced out. If they are miserable with no people skills they stick around for years.
I worked in R&D for the same company for 40.5 years. Not only is this video true, it's ABSOLUTELY true. I was told early on, when the title was changed from "Personnel" to "Human Resources" that they weren't human, and were not a resource. The company routinely broke their own rules, like posting an "open to all employees" position taking applications through Friday afternoon, then an employee announcing Friday morning that he'd already gotten that job (and that was true). Anything involving any type of harassment resulted in the employee being dismissed immediately, and everything hushed up completely. Once, after taking an in-house 3-day class about taking my own career into my own hands, I asked about the salary range and job level for an open position at one of our manufacturing plants - nothing more - and it got back to my supervisor in R&D who basically threw the book at me, made me go to "outside counseling". I later won a lifetime achievement award - they'd given out about 4 of these, ever - but that didn't save me from job being eliminated at age 63.5. The folks whose jobs were cut got 2 weeks severance for each year of service, but mine was capped at 52 weeks, but apparently that's not age discrimination; so I got same weeks of severance pay as folks with 14 years less seniority. I did have pensions, 401k, so I was financially secure and didn't have to seek any additional employment. As I told the new-to-me HR director who delivered the news to me and offered me outplacement help: "companies rarely hire folks 63 years old". She offered that I could take the remainder of the day off, but I told her that I had commitments to my internal customers, and that I kept my commitment. When she offered to "walk me back to my office", I replied that she needed worry - "I can find my way back and I won't go postal", she told me that "was inappropriate". I then stuck my finger in her face and stated "No - inappropriate is not allowing an employee with 40.5 years to have no say in his own retirement". I guess that served as my "exit interview", as I was the only one of the released employees who didn't have one. Why was there a need for cutting employees? There had been routine downsizings, and when one does the math, that makes the fixed costs per employee be higher - that's just math !!! Anyway, the company announced it was moving cross-country a few months later, and I would never have considered that.
They knew that a cross-country move would force other long term employees to leave.. probably without compensation as "we offered them an equivalent position but they made themselves unavailable"?
@@lifeisbeautiful104 Depends o the circumstances. A work/life balance... say no commuting..cycle to work? An inherited house...no mortgage? A liking for a particular leisure activity nearby? Good educational opportunities for self or family? Family nearby? Great positions/responsibility in the community? Advancement and $$ over the years? Retirement and medical plans?
@@lifeisbeautiful104 You may think that, but I had an aptitude and interest in that very specialized type of R&D and manufacturing support work, and a healthy supplies budget. I think my Phi Beta Kappa and Magna cum Laude support my ability to make the best overall decisions for me and my family. I'm retired 7 years now, and have zero money issues, 2 paid off houses, wife has horses, we have 6 vehicles (newest 2014), and my kids graduated college with zero debt and have real jobs, don't live with me, and are smarter than I.
@lifeisbeautiful104 lemme guess, you're on your 5th job in 3 yrs, cuz you're "keeping your options open", and sitting in moms basement at night, shit posting on reddit while playing videos games... What a beautiful life. Dedication and discipline were once virtues... now they're apparently a "waste of a life". How far the west is falling...
Back in January of this year I got fired from my job. I was (and still am) absolutely devastated and shocked by the termination because there were no verbal warnings, or write ups of any kind regarding my work performance. I'm fairly certain that the HR tyrant used the Open Door Policy and lied to me to find an excuse to get rid of me. However, I'm also positive that I did sign an arbitration agreement, but I was so excited to get the job I just signed it. Needless to say I'm certain that I didn't fail the company; the company failed me.
Craziest part is, HR will go above and beyond to protect the higher ups, but if the law ends up getting involved, usually it's HR to get thrown under the bus 1st due to "them not fulfilling there responsibilities" and will end up terminated. The higher ups, are usually transferred to another location if possible or "given strict training" regarding interactions with employees.
Can confirm. During my mid-to-high-level security career, I witnessed two CEOs repeatedly cutting the conversation short: "How much is it gonna cost to make this go away? If it's ~50K, let's just do it. If it's ~100K, let's gather up evidence and make a court case." He didn't care about the details or behaviors or persons involved; he didn't even particularly care if the decision boomeranged back on him in a few years, because he'd be out of the job by then. Gotta believe most of the corporate machine feels similarly.
I learned this as a part-time worker for FedEx 30+ years ago. It was eye opening and, in retrospect, obvious. HR exists to protect the company, not you.
You are 100% right. HR gaslights people, as do a lot of middle and upper managers. Well done for sharing this for young people or people who are still stuck in corporate job. Thankfully, I got out a long time ago.
sounds like its time for EXTREME MEASURES TO MAKE THE COMPANY GO BANKRUPT AND EVEN CLOSE ITS DOORS!. anything you do to cost the company money is a small step. simply throwing a blank sheet of paper into the shredder, wasting hot water, flushing 2 or 3 times, pens and other supplies into trash etc... SMITH AND WESSON MAKE THE WEAKEST PERSON AS STRONG AS THE STRONGEST MAN!!!
I agree fully. So perhaps attorneys (such as Mr. Robertson) should not be hired as HR Professionals. The large majority of HR professionals have never been lawyers. But you do not need to be a lawyer to understand state or federal employment law and you certainly do not need to be one to treat employees with empathy and respect. That's what good HR teams do.
@@billymac6233 The lawyers are the criminals the Crown that are trying to control the Living People by deceiving the Silly People into thinking that the Defacto Laws are the Law for the People!!! The systems Defacto Color of Laws are Not Law and are Unconstitutional!!! L.A.W. = Land Air and Water is the only Law not some Fake statues acts titles or codes etc. People wake up and know that you are Not some dead corporate entity citizens used as a Living sacrifice for the Defacto Babylon system 🙄 Self Hate is too not recognize the Self as Master because you are the only one that can save the Self!!! #KyrieIsRight #YeIsRight
Here is the thing that I noticed as both a people manager and in individual contributor. HR always had tons of "market research" to show that salary ranges were correct and could not be increased to retain or attract employees. They also blocked promotions saying that the business does not need the people at the higher level. But the same time, they slowly promoted every person in the HR department (themselves) so that the lowest-level person in the entire department was an "HR Manager" with the corresponding pay grade. Most were at the director level and above.
100% true. Had a nasty member of management who assaulted a fellow employee and bullied others. Any complaint about that person meant the complainant got removed from employment. When it came to my time to be bullied, I also raised a complaint. HR found no wrong doing at all. Then, oddly enough, a complaint was brought up against me. I tried to call on witnesses but HR refused them because my witnesses were no longer employed by the company and would prove my innocence. I notified them I was talking to an employment lawyer on the next interview/session and they suddenly changed their tune from being aggressive with me to quite defensive. No wrongdoing was found. I ended up being pushed into an unimportant role and my job was untenable from that point. Years later I found out that all the ppl who had witnessed the aggression and bullying to me had NEVER been contacted or had any statements taken. HR had lied about there being no witnesses to wrongdoing. I was telling the truth, there were witnesses but HR covered it up. NEVER TRUST HR
Schocking that i got this video recommended when im going through hell at my work because poor managers and HR, they have lied and even fabricated evidence. Everything you said it has happened to me and I'm in Australia.
Scenario 2 happened to me: (being harassed by an employee who has been harassing other women) I went to my leader to complain about him being touchy and creepy. I provided dates, times, and locations that they pulled up on camera. I didn't want to write a report about it, but I was forced into documenting the experiences. I was told it would be in "confidence". Lies!!! The very next day, the guy I complained about began to give me a dea+h stare everyday for about a week. He then continued to try and talk to me, after I clearly said I didn't want him speaking to me (we didn't work in the same department, but he always found a way) when speaking to my leader about him, she knew exactly who I was talking about before I said his name, because other women complained about him. You can guess what happens next, I was shortly fired, no writeups or anything. The HR rep was disgustingly rude when i requested my pto payout.... I could go on forever, just thank you for this video. I didn't know what I did wrong for so long, and it genuinely hurt. I wish I knew this sooner.
It's disgusting that companies deceive their employees into thinking HR exists to protect employees, instead of being honest about their function as company lapdogs that protect the companies interests above all else. It's not right either way though, the fact that they have to deceive us is evident of that.
