How Many Civilians Have Died in Gaza? Urban War Expert | Making Sense  

You can't. Plus, after 18 years the Gazan's are complicit in helping Hamas. Gazan's = Hamas.

​​@@rsr789I'm so happy to see other people using the gazan label for residents of Gaza to distinguish them from the 2 million Palestinians living peacefully in israel.

@@macmcleod1188 Folks living in Israel are usually called Israelis. But you keep calling them Palestinians for no real reason, okay?

@@marijuasher incorrect. The full correct reference by the IMEU is "Palestinian Citizens of Israel". There are 1.9 million of them. See, "Fact Sheet: Palestinian Citizens of Israel" Your statement is trying to erase them and make them invisible.

@@marijuasher the fact is the half of these people living in Gaza are víolent and celëbrate crimes against hûmanity.

Hmmm.. thats interesting.. as i was listening to this, i was amazed i hadn't actually questioned these statistics, and subsequently thought id test the water to see if it gets thru via facebook.. if, as suggested that the figures are nowhere near what we're being told, then this changes a lot.. one gets the feeling that many "left" organisations could well be censoring, as you've experienced..

The death toll videos are being shadow banned

RU-vid comment deletion especially on news channels is very aggressive.

If it's a URL link, RU-vid detects it as spam and removes the comment. It's happened me multiple times on non-news videos, so it seems to be a normal RU-vid thing. No conspiracy here. 🙌

Freedom of speech 😂

Photos were released of that hospital. The hospital wasn't even hit, it was the parking lot with a few cars or so able to fit in it... which leads me to think, unless they were having a crowded protest in there, only maybe 50 could have died in the parking lot directly, maybe 10 or so in the surrounding streets, worse 20, and maybe another 30 if there was a lot of crowding next to the windows by the parking lot. I have no reason to trust any of their numbers. Best to wait til ISRAEL counts them so I can hear the other side.

And based on the fact that cars only 15 ft away from the crater still had their windows and the trees 20 ft away from the crater still have their leaves, I think actual losses were under 30. And we were also faced with the claim that they had removed all evidence of human loss of life in the dark in 3 hours before the sun rose.

It's because Gaza has become the new trendy thing to support. It's easy to shout "genocide" and become one of the cool kids. Most people who take 5 minutes to look up this topic know calling it a genocide is ridiculous especially when far worse conflicts with more civilian death happened very close and another right now being Syria and Ukraine.

The allied bombings in WW2 were no doubt a war crime. However war crime was not defined in international law until after WW2.

⁠@@ghostf6321 it’s a little more complex than “the trendy thing to support”. So, first, the reason why the protesters are calling it genocide is because of South Africa’s ICJ report (I believe Amnesty international also calls it a genocide and many more organizations). The protesters don’t call it genocide for fun (I doubt any sane person would), there’s a bunch of evidence supporting this conclusion. And that other genocides killed more or less people doesn’t matter definitionally.

I can't understand why you don't understand this is a genocide or at the very least resembles one. Gaza is a small territory and has been cut off from the world by the Israelis for years. There is no port or airport as Israel destroyed them and will not allow new ones to be built. Israel controls all the land crossings as well. In the current military campaign since October 7th the already poor Gaza has suffered the loss of about 70% of the residences, almost 100% of the schools, almost 100% of the hospitals, and almost all other regular services have been destroyed. 25000 to 35000 people have been and many more grievously injured out of a population of about 2 million over 6 months. At least a third of these numbers are children. Journalists, aid workers, and hostages are also being killed in the bombing. Israeli officials keep telling civilians to move to "safe" zones then bomb them as they move and bomb them in the "safe" zone. They are now mostly gathered in Rafah with nowhere else to go, being attacked daily and starved to death with little shelter or services of any kind. The IDF says it will soon invade Rafah. Israeli cabinet ministers regularly say things like let's turn Gaza into a parking lot. Even if you don't agree with the definition of genocide I think it should be clear there are reasons to call it that.

​@@ghostf6321By your logic I guess you think if your name's not Adolf then any killing of a targeted population doesn't even count.

No they didn't, they just disaggregated those who are confirmed dead with those who are missing (presumably under the rubble), and therefore probably dead.

This is false. The total numbers of death are the same. What has changed is the confirmed names and details of those killed accounting for 24,000

Oh really? did they?

@Humanaut. No they didn't, the just decided to disaggregate between those confirmed killed and those missing, most likely under the rubble

Yes lol they did​@Humanaut.

You wouldn't say this if your loved ones were in Gaza.

Learn your history about how Gaza has been oppressed.

@@user-qk2rt1cn2s Fail to see how that changes anything about what genocide means, and my family survived the actual nazis.And no I aint a Jew.People in general and obviously you too have no clue how war works.Here is an example, the allies in WW2 dropped the equivelant of 20 Hiroshimas on Germany every month just with their conventional bombing.Kids died, a lot of em.And that is still NOT a genocide.

@@FutureDeadGuy007 So?Your comment is iirelevant to what a genocide means.And I know more history than you,.I have 12 books on Gaza, and 5 Palestinian friends.I know their plight,so go try to impress someone like that girl.A massacre is a massacre, a war crime is a war crime and a genocide is something very diffrent.

​@@user-qk2rt1cn2s 99% who post here would have left Gaza years ago. The place is a lost cause. A poll conducted a few months ago said that 75% of Palestinians in Gaza agreed with what Hamas did on October 7th

And Israel is?

@@ismashurmom1123in Israel you have checks and balances making them at least a bit more honest and accountable

​@@ihx7😂

No one is in war

So it was in Warsaw Getto during the WWII. If you fight guerillas you can't expect them to label according to your standards.

In this case analogy would be if Iran attacked Israel and Israel is defending using support of Nato. It is wrong to use that comparison when it comes to one of the world biggest military bombing land half of area of New York + purposefully killing humanitarian aid + bombing refugee camp. It's not some conspiracy theory, it is quite common knowledge

Always has been, every single time. Numbers are just one part of the propaganda that quickly takes over in every single war, and especially Hamas are very much fighting a propaganda war. Militarily they don't have a leg to stand on. So yeah, there's a reason for the old saying: "In war, truth is the first casualty".

It's about Hamas propaganda. According to Hamas no soldiers have been killed. Hamas have used propaganda for 17 years .

you sound like a religious person

Almost all where used by HAMAS to hide behind

everything is justified to you war criminals, as long as it's happening mostly to Muslims. Absolutely disgusting

I think it is a dumb question when it comes to this conflict. Unless other Arab armies want to step in and help in the fight against Hamas, that means nobody gets to have a say in it. Israel is not the one allowing a terror group to build hundred of km of tunnels from donations. Or shooting rockets behind hospitals, mosques and schools. That is Gazans. Good luck to them. They have made their beds.

​@@Alnivol666 what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this here is now dumber for having listened to it. may god have mercy on your soul.

Nothing good ever comes from a bad idea. Creating a Jewish state in the middle east on someone else's land is ludicrous! Running an apartheid state in the 21st century is unbelievable. That they have so much support is eye-opening.

@@deiteOs someone else's land? What? Who did the land belong yo you think? There is no apartheid in Israel by the way. Maybe check Lebanon.

not enough for Sam "Hasbara" Harris

Careers? :-)

@@Fomites it’s impossible to correct mistakes on RU-vid once you have sent the comment

I think you missed his entire point.

@@VesnaVK I think the point is that Sam clickbait tricked us into thinking he had a real expert that was going to give a real estimate. Instead he invited a total idiot who told us nothing. He should be ashamed.

@VesnaVK No, you did. The title of the fucking video is to discuss the number. I think you just went all froth-mouthed with anticipation for your own bloodlust over children dying.

@@VesnaVK no, it's that his point is coming from a place of dishonesty and a lack of moral fibre. Rather than simply denigrate the number, which is what happens here, you could instead have a conversation about trying to work out the real one. It's fine to talk about the accuracy of a statistic, but to not then address how to get closer to the truth show his colours here. He should have as much interest in finding the truth as he does about finding the truth about any other matter that concerns him, but here he doesn't, and that's on purpose.

@@thescoon1 your comment rests entirely on an assumption of bad faith. What is your evidence he is approaching this matter in bad faith? Also, who are you referring to, Harris or Spencer?

I don’t expect that would go anywhere.

Medhi is jihad-lite. His role is to serve as the gateway drug that gets Leftist Westerners to accept subjugation to sharia

That would involve Sam debate someone who is capable, and doesn't agree with him, and he abandoned that after the atheist movement.

Sam has utterly abandoned debate over worldly topics that don't involve easy culture war layups. He would get absolutely stomped my Medi.

i know Sam has said that he recoils from the topic...i just think Medhi might have the sensitivity to help wade through the moral abyss that Mr Harris is stymied by.

Israel allowed weeks for civilians to evacuate from north Gaza before they invaded. The damage was done to mostly empty buildings, and any civilians who died were either forced to stay put by Hamas or chose to stay to support it. The onus can't be put on Israel

@@c1tywi Yes it can.

​@@c1tywiwhere's the evidence that hamas was forcing people?

@@charlesmarlowstanfield How is Hamas not the guilty party here?

@@c1tywi The onus can be placed on Israel, it is a choice to bomb a civilian area. The bombs did not just drop in the north either. Every built up area (north/south) has been bombed. Estimates of 56% of pre-war buildings damaged or destroyed. Your other claims (as noted initially) cannot be verified independently. The claim that people were forced to stay by Hamas, does not aid Israel's side of the story, even if it can be proved independently.

À 17 years old with an AK is not a child.

​@@synewparadigm why not? Is that a new legal definition put out by AIPAC or something?

Sam is a mouthpiece for warmongers and always has been. This is his job, to manufacture consent for garbage policies

@@synewparadigm even if I grant you that, that would be a small % of the total number of *innocent* children killed by the IDF, so this doesn't make a difference to the statement I made.

So let's trust Hamas who are known liars. UN Halves Its Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza The UN cut in half its estimates of the number of women and children killed in Gaza. The estimates were based on Hamas numbers and are a reminder that all fatality estimates coming from that source are unreliable. [Council on Foreign Relations] Gaza-based journalist Jehad Saftawi said that the *Hamas terrorist organization indeed uses civilians as human shields in the war against Israel.* "Hamas terrorists used my family and hundreds of our neighbors as human shields. Hamas continues to hold the people of Gaza captive," Saftawi posted on X. "There should be no reconstruction of my family's home while a stockpile of weapons lies underneath. Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar admitted the group “decided to turn that which is most dear to us - the bodies of our women and children - into a dam blocking the collapse in Arab reality.” After acknowledging Hamas builds tunnels to protect fighters but not civilians, Abu Marzouk ventured that it is the job of the United Nations, not Hamas, to protect civilians.

No...The purpose is to show us where the numbers are coming from, and to remind us that one can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs

@@NLF123 you seem smart

@@thespyofcharles Has that too become a crime nowadays?

It's meant to ask the question "how many civilians have died in Gaza?"

@@stevesteady603 And to then say, "Eh, who knows? No one can say! Why are people so interested in this anyway? No one ever cared about civilian deaths in any other war in all of history, after all!"

we already did exactly that in the Ukraine war. But NOW all of a sudden we are deeeeeeply concerned about the jurisdiction of the court thinking about arresting both Hamas and Israeli leaders. Such rank hypocrisy from America and its compliant "public intellectuals" like Sam Kahanist here

Yeah, be nice to terrorists. That’ll work. Maybe if we in the US we’re nicer to Al-Qaeda or the Taliban 9/11 wouldn’t have happened…are you serious?! Hamas and Hezbollah are islamo-fascist death cults funded by Iran, a gender-apartheid anti-human rights, anti-LGBT, anti-women’s rights, anti-science dictatorship. NOTHING will appease them. Period.

Eyyyy, I mean, whaddya want, a numbah? It's some numbah, who really cares?

Therefore you just trust whoever gives a number? Over the person who explains why that person is BSing you?

​@@VesnaVKthere is multitude of reasons beyond numbers as to why what Israel is doing right now is genocide and they're listed under "genocide" page in the dictionary, please take your time looking it up

Ok you still want a number? 0.00165%. That's the percent out of the Gaza population even if we believe Hamas 33k. That's 1/10 of 1% yes? But still, that's a lot higher than the number on Israel's side on October 7th. So what? Do you use math and statistics to judge morality? What if our laws looked like that? That would mean if I killed 2 people out of self defense, and someone else just tortured and murdered someone, I would not only be found guilty, I'd get sentenced for longer than him because hey, I killed twice as many people, right?

information from Gaza health ministry used to be more reliable

@@aaaaaaaaau You know when everyone gets laid off and you're the only one left doing the work of 12 people? Who are now all dead.....I dunno. This is pretty weak sauce morally.

Historically it doesn't matter. The previous cases are not anything like this one especially when the head of the health ministry is a hamas member which it wasn't previously AND they also changed their methodology of data collection And just the difficulty with data collection because of the scale compared to the previous cases

There are different statistics experts that did their research over the numbers and concluded by saying it's most likely the case they made up those numbers

Approx. 1000 were civilians. 600 in their homes, not surrounded by soldiers using them as human shields, but just in their home. They were tortured, burnt and raped, in their homes. In their sleepwear. 400 more innocents were at the Nova festival, celebrating PEACE. They were slaughtered indiscriminately. They tried to hide in bathroom stalls. There are videos from Hamas terrorists by their own body cameras shooting at the stalls. Another 250 are innocent civilians including elderly, underage teens and CHILDREN AND BABIES who have been kidnapped by this satannical organization. Are these statistics good enough for you? If unarmed Israeli civilians haven't risked their lives to save as many as they could, if armed forces fighting few against many for hours until the help came haven't stood their ground against all odds (many have fallen while saving countless lives) the numbers of innocents would be WAY higher. Would it satisfy the pro-hamasians? If the body count on Israel's innocents was higher for "proportion"? Stop this madness. Stand with Israel against radical islam terrorism. For the people of Gaza as well as for Israel.

October 7th was an act of war which started the current conflict. I would say the specific actions which are crimes against humanity that they committed but the post would be removed. The least of their crimes were intentionally violating women to "dirty" them while recording. In fact at 1 us university, the protest was shut down by showing their videos 24 hours a day opposite from the protest. After a few days, all the women left the protest.

You are right if that is indeed his position, but how exactly does he argue that two wrongs make a right? His lesser-evil approach to consequentionalism is not the same thing as arguing that two wrongs make a right.

Are you serious? Zionism is the creation of a Jewish state, a democratic state. Islamism is a state run by Islamic FANATICS, not run as a democracy, and not interested in multiple points of view. From a Palestinian perspective, they are BRAINWASHED as a culture and as a people. Because any Palestinian Arab capable of independent thought and action would sign up for Israeli citizenship at the drop of a hat (if they could) !

Extremisim in any form is bad. Islamism and Zionism are extremist idealogies as they both want to wipe out others.

Ask the millions of muslims who live in Israel as equal rights citizens with better lives than they'd have in any muslim country and you'd be surprised... Then ask yourself where are the jews who live in muslim countries...

IDF always drop flyers over the area and send txt msgs to let population evacuate long before bombing. Msm don't tell you stuff like that

hello war crime enthusiasts!

How about cancer, old age ect?

@@tomaszdziecielski2634 Certainly! Old age and Cancer, Why didn't I think of that before, maybe it's because of the fact that Gaza is not an advance civilization where people get to be of old age and die in peace but rather in a continuous state of conflict and War for close to a century.

@@nomanzafar4938in my place (Germany) a significant number of people die every day and other are born.

​@@tomaszdziecielski2634and? with your logic and I do apologise to have to bring in an example as such, would you say the same for people in concentration camps who were there in miserable conditions and died of "natural causes" whilst in the camps!? How absurd of an assertion to make

@@nomanzafar4938 you can’t compare Gaza to a nazi concentration camp. In this case you should subtract the normal exit rate of a population. In Germany it was over a million last year, per day more than 2700, without a war or a pandemic. The point is that you can not attribute the total number of deaths to the IDF.

Well said. It seems pretty simple to me. Bring on both sides. It's astonishing that Piers Morgan does a better job at showing perspectives from both sides than Sam Harris.

There are enough people screaming “genocide” for there to be another perspective to listen to

He had Rory Stewart on twice (4th Feb 2024, 28th Feb 2024) who is a contrary voice on these issues. He also bought an urban warfare expert on to try and understand whether the IDF could have invaded in a different way to reduce civilian deaths, but the answer to that questions seems pro israel because it aligns with what they did, and you say that it's just a justitication and that he his wrong. maybe he's right and there was no better way to get rid of hamas? I'd be interested in hearing peoples thoughts after listening to the whole podcast and not just this clip

​@@elliott9628That depends on the very particular premise, that this kind of ground invasion actually incapacitates Hamas and for that matter reduces the risk to Israel and makes the region more peaceful long-term overall. Frankly, viewing the animosity Israel provoked with it's approach, I'm not sure whether that is the case.

@@gordonbgraham Two things: first, we aren't talking about the ratio of perspectives in society broadly speaking. We are talking about the ratio of perspectives on Sam's podcast. My claim was limited to the latter. Second, per society broadly speaking, it is an open question which side has more exposure. The pro-Israel side has mobilized all the resources of the US government and taxpayer money to establish McCarthy-esque performative hearings designed to publicly vilify and silence criticism of Israel at the highest levels of civil society (i.e., university presidents). The pro-Palestinian side has mobilized...scattered groups of teenagers on US campuses.

I'm Australian Aboriginal

This. The thing to consider in this, is that the level of physical destruction isn't something that can be resolved before famine kicks in. The casualties now are bad enough, but ask yourself what Gaza looks like one year from now. That death toll is going to be higher than it is now, but it will be blamed on poor governance, not on the fact that the IDF designed this scenario with its handling of this conflict.

Sam makes too much cash off his bs to stop smelling his own farts now

How about you use facts ? Like Israel announcing days if not weeks ahead where it's going to attack (which is just insanity for any military action), and the population being warned and given time (and even aid) in leaving the designated area ? I know it's against common sense because what army would act this way, but this is how Israel operates in Gaza. Structures are not just "bombed" out of nowhere and being decimated with civilians in there. Bottom line - being informed > "common sense"...

Ok, ratio of combatants to non combatants in 1:2 , war is still justified and Israel has moral right to clear Gaza of Hamas. What is the opposite view?

You just heard something you didn’t want to hear. Talk about a bias, did you not listen to the video? All the opposing side has is talking heads that aren’t actually experts in anything. I think the last one I saw was a Palestinian comedian lmao claiming genocide was being committed. It’s a joke.

"The expert doesn't agree with me. Find another expert"...

Funny enough, we were right about covid, vaccines and dodgy elections too.

​@@Mac-ku3xuHow exactly?

he's instrumental to the Occupation at least

What's your point? How many bombs would be an acceptable number? And would you rather more people die by trying to clear out the 400 miles of tunnels by sending in troops on the ground with no bombing? The guy literally explains in another part of the podcast that not bombing is not unlikely to lead to a higher death toll, because the war would just drag out over a decade instead.

​@@MadsFeierskovgood old pre-emptive killing logic

he isn't interested in that

With respect, he brought on an expert in the field with actual combat experience bolstering his bona fides. I think it is you that needs to listen, really listen, to what this expert is telling you. For example, this clip illustrates both how horrific urban combat is (civilians are indeed dying) but also how uncertain it is (we simply have no clear idea about death tolls in an active urban war zone). Moreover, Sam is trying to make the point that such information is a foundational aspect of the lawfare Hamas is waging against Israel. There is a reason the Gaza Ministry of Health is quick to report, and overinflate, civilian deaths. Decent human beings will naturally recoil in horror at the carnage. The point being: an objective person would take the expert’s point here and conclude it is likely we are being subjected to propaganda which is unfalsifiable at this point.

@@TalisUmbras your doing exactly what this " expert " is doing , which is splitting hairs. We could discuss endlessly what numbers are correct or what bias certain groups have. These are essentially strawmen. The real problem is, can any fair-minded person, accept an ethno supremacy state, that is actively removing its indigenous occupants. This is undeniable. No other state is allowed to do this and it's only justification is from an archaic religous book. I remember Sam once said if you want to know what the jihadists want ,ask them. Well apparently 85% of israelis want gaza destruction and all new settlers want the expulsion of all non jews. The israelis are using the methods and rhetoric that forced them to leave europe in the two previous centuries. The most cynical argument however is conflating jihadism with fightining ethnic cleansing; who are the real jihadists ?

@@parrmik No, we’re setting the conditions for a logical assessment of the conflict under the internationally recognized laws of war. That is, the set of rules governing state-level conflict as understood and agreed to by those states. Indeed, that’s immediately where your position (Israel is an “ethno supremacy state” “removing its indigenous occupants”) immediately comes into tension with that of Sam’s guest (and my own). Without impugning the nature of the state of Israel, a fair minded observer could assess whether or not that state is abiding by the Law of International Armed Conflict (LOIAC) or not. A fair minded observer could also do so with respect to Hamas whether or not it viewed the government of Hamas as a terrorist organization. I sincerely hope you will try to do so though your phrasing drips with assumptions and moral judgments that I believe is clouding your objectivity. Insofar as you make the attempt, I hope you will take the guest’s point that Israel is being held to a standard that no state before it ever has been under LOIAC. Indeed, I would go a step further and say Israel is being held to a standard *inconsistent* with LOIAC primarily by international actors seeking to undermine the United States primarily and Israel as a tertiary concern. Call it the “human rights” takeover of LOIAC (two distinct branches of Public International Law) by human rights jurists. You can see this most clearly when discussing collateral damage under LOIAC and prohibitions on civilian/civilian object damage.

So you don't want an expert in urban warfare, teaches at West Point and has been on the ground in Gaza. You would rather have someone who has not been to Gaza or Israel and has bloviated since late October about how the people are starving and being targeted by Israel.

Sadly, he's been doing this for some time now. Since Covid, he's rarely put himself in a position to *truly* defend his position, and honestly, whenever he is put in that position lately, he doesn't look good.

"Jewish supremacy" LOL. Who elected a government that call for the extramination of jews?

One question Sam NEVER asks about Muh TikTok zombies is...what exactly are they seeing that is sooo convincing, if not the truth? It's not all Iranian disinfo or whatever Z!onists want to believe. Also, why was there ZERO discussion of regulating say, Meta? oh right, because they already do the bidding of the war criminals in DC

Absolutely!

He doesn't have "hostility towards Islam and Muslims" . He is just stating facts.

Wtf are you talking about? Israel doesn’t define any military male as Hamas you’re just making shit up. If you have any evidence to back this up I’ll personally transfer you 10k in cash

Many third parties verified the numbers…HOW EXACTLY

@@Seanonyoutube perhaps if you did a little light research on the matter you might know, it turns out that it's not just the numbers, they have a list of the identities of all the people either killed or presumed buried under the rubble. All of the names are known, and there are no duplicates. Multiple third parties have verified them.

​@@VColossalVWho? And how? Legitimate question. Nothing happens in Gaza without Hamas approving it.

@@Alnivol666 Read my last comment.

Victim blaming huh lol

@@BabaBabelOm Wow

Why would he bother listening to terrorist supporters?

@@atlehman69 that’s you. Reflect and repent

​@@BabaBabelOmSupporting genocide I see. Wait wait wait let me do it for you.... "You're anti-Semitic because you don't support Israel's crimes"

Total Dead = Terrorists Dead + Civilians Dead If you know two of those numbers, you know the third number as well, you've got zero degrees of freedom. They know, and we know too if we do a bit of basic arithmetic, they just don't like to emphasize it, its bad optics. "Nobody can know."

They can certainly generate a number that they can visually confirm or confirm with certainty in other ways. So maybe they are undercounting in fact.

The terrorists are targets and they have a high degree of confirmed kills since the IDF usually goes in to clear the area. Civilians, on the other hand, are not targets. When they die, unfortunately, it's due to collateral damage or some fringe case of mistaken identity or a soldier (a 19-21 year old kid, in most cases) losing their grip.

​@@creatorsremose if terrorists would have been targets, they wouldn't have half of the bombs who were unguided... It's actually the civilians who are the target, not the Hamas. If terrorists would have been targets, Adolf netanyahu and members of his party members wouldn't have said that Hamas is an asset for Israel

The framing should be: it's Israel who are preventing the press from being in Gaza and obtaining a real number. Yet this is never even brought up, just "we shouldn't believe Hamas numbers" rather than "Israel are preventing the world from discovering the truth"...

Compared to what? It's not anywhere close to the casualties from other wars in the region which people haven't seem to have gotten very upset over.

Bad answer to good question. Not all that helpful mate

@@timeforsuchawordThat is the most fallacious argument possible right now. How about this: we ARE upset about those other conflicts causing massive loss of life. Now what? Are you on our side now? Or will you just find other justification? You like the people who tell you to support israel, so you support Israel. Dont pretend like your beliefs have logical justification.

@@UncleRimoyet your reply was even more useless lol

So the answer is "we don't know the exact number," and "why are we even concerned about the number.". This strikes me as morally bankrupt. We don't know the exact number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust, as estimates are exactly that that - estimates. Is that a reason to dismiss a genocide?

Israel has tried tolerating for a very long time now.

False. Israel is happy to have Palestinians amongst them if Palestinians were not so determined to kill Jews.

@@BanjoSick They say they do while at the same time occupying more and more land via illegal settlements. They won't be satisfied until every Palestinian has gone from Gaza in spite of what they say.

@@maxmac7845 you’re conflating the West Bank with Gaza, but I of course understand if that technicality sounds like I’m missing the point

Every single peace talk that was conducted with the Palestinians ended with the Palestinians walking out. Every single one.

Brutal and succinct.

Sam doesn't view Muslims, especially Palestinians, as human, so that's hardly surprising

@@Giantcrabz it's quite disappointing. I was a big fan of his.

If you think he has ever changed his mind on anything, you haven't been paying attention.

No chance. 100% on the right side of this. Hamas is disgusting. Beyond the pale.

i think you are on the wrong side. siding with an islamists. how about that?

​@@charliewalker9443Hamas is disgusting and IDF is the flag bearer of morality

Because he's a Mossad asset.

No, to indicate that the numbers are very low in the context of a war and the specific environment.

To indicate that listening to Hamas, like most of the world's news organizations are doing, is not a responsible thing to do.

To oppose setting a false narrative which influences global affairs?

but the Likud party and IDF with its "culture of lying" (former general's words, not mine) is trustworthy to you. Amazing how that works​

You’re gonna eat crow. When it’s all said and done and “the right side” becomes clear…remember this.

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Of course there is a number, but there is no known number. Nobody knows or can even give a mechanism to get something remotely accurate.

He's interviewing an expert on the topic.

agreed - war is illogical. so why did your mates in Hamas start it...?

Guess why they don't allow it. Ill give you a hint. It rhymes with herbicide.

It’s a war zone. They don’t need random journalists walking around making it harder for them to operate.

More journalists have been killed in Gaza than the entire Vietnam war. But ofc Sam Kahanist would just say "those journalists were all Hamas" or some shit

Civilians die in every war. Every single one. If you're against all wars your position is respectable. If you aren't, you don't get to apply different criteria to this than to the other ones.

1 is enough. But the war crime is Hamas'. A double war crime in fact. They target civilians on Israel's side (and kidnap them, including babies) and hide behind their own civilians in their home and protected areas like hospitals, schools, kindergartens, mosques, UN structures, etc.

He has always been this way

He's interviewing an expert

it's not nearly as unprecedented as these two sweating war crime apologists claim either. The French war in Algeria was absolutely brutal

Calling it apartheid won't make it true. But why not throw around words that people are eager to hear - it's as easy as throwing around civilian death tolls !!! What would be a good number for your agenda ? Just give it and people will eat it up.

Handing out leaflets is irrelevant if those people fleeing are going to return back to nothing. Why should anyone sympathise with someone who needlessly levels you, and your entire neighbourhood's family homes, just simply because they warned you it'd happen? That'd be like saying 'I'm letting you know that I'm going to kill your dog.' and turning around and giving them a pat on the back because they warned you first.

wow you really buy the hasbara don't you

Sadly, civilians die in every war. Every single one.

Men can be "non-combatants."

No they are not. And even if they were it is still not a Genocide. BTW , do you want to talk about the "innocent civilians" of Gaza ?

The bigger picture being that Hamas, and the civilians backing them, want to exterminate Jews from the river to the sea? I'd say it's surprising that the IDF haven't removed their kid gloves.

Are you seriously criticizing the IDF for not dying enough? How dare they win, right? How dare they lose less of their people in a defensive war they didn’t ask for. 😅 Your moral intelligence is severely impaired. (Edit because RU-vid keeps deleting my comments) Yeah. Nobody should be surprised that Israel loses less people in these wars. Typically nations at conflict attempt to un-alive less than their opponents. Unfortunately Hamas is an exception, as maximizing loss of Palestinian life is their stated intention. “ we are a nation of martyrs and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs” (for the purpose of encouraging malice against israel.) however imperfectly Israel cares about Palestinian civilians, they actually care more than Hamas does. The whole hamas political strategy revolves around dead Palestinians.

Brainwashed „civilians“ of a „state“ so morally corrupt that Nazi Germany pales by comparison. Still Israel tries to save as many as possible. I find Israels approach dumbfoundingly concerned with people that want nothing more than to kill Jews in the most humiliating and gruesome way possible.

@@froggo3963 How dare they violently pretend that their invisible friend they say is in the sky is more real than a invisible friend that schizophrenics claim is really real.

Trying to figure out who's in the right by the number of people killed is pretty stupid.

Who is paying you to defend Hamas? Sinuwar?

It’s clear he lost any moral sense on this issue.

it's just a general grift, like the rest of the IDW. Dave Rubin does the same charade for $$$

the religion vs atheist culture wars have died down so he had to find a new niche to spew bs to keep his career alive

Sam invited someone on that would tell him what he wants to hear, the definition of an echo chamber. Crazy that I had found out about Sam back when he did the opposite and debated people. Far fall.

@@shawqiha he had a fun lane, and probably the best guy on the planet doing it, of talking to scientists and being the interlocutor of complex subjects. Now he is doing the same thing as thousands are and he's not special at it. Literally a random guy walking down the street can produce this political content

He is guilty of the sin which he accuses everyone else of. That is confirmation bias.

Right, instead let's listen to the terror organization who uses its own people as human shields with the intention of using civilian death tolls as it's tactic to have the world stop Israel from destroying it ! THAT is surely who we need to listen to.

"Who knows, who cares, why do people keep asking me this question, nobody ever cares about this question in any other conflicts!"

So ignorant. Israeli soldiers risk their lives on the ground in Gaza each and every day to look for hostages, even hostages bodies (which they find in boobytrapped tunnels). "Islamic motivation" username. What a shock.

What argument?

@@avishevin1976 millions under occupation

@@bikerd12 Harris didn’t make that argument.

He is guilty of the sin which he accuses everyone else of. Confirmation bias

Riiight, so a Palestinian child is born guilty is it?

calm down Satan

Sam’s making no sense podcast

Bye.

How does one determine what “too many” is?

I'd listen again if I were you. And even if he is saying that, I'd trust information from a democratic country over a terrorist autocracy any day. Or do you put more face value on numbers reported by a bunch of homicidal caliphate fanatics who have everything to gain from sowing distrust of democratic systems?

Listen to the episode. He always introduces the guests at the beginning.

Jesus Christ do you work for Blackwater??

How many civilian are logged as combatants by Israel? Heard of project lavender?

@@Giantcrabz please, it’s a kind of guerrilla warfare.

@@OldboyMoy no, how many combatants are logged as civilians by the Palestinians?

it's an assault on basic morality. Hairsplitting nonsense by an overpaid Canary Mission troll posing as a philosopher

apparently very little for Sam and his cult