Just train naturally, end of story. Not only will you be healthier, without the very bad side effects on your appearance (balding, acne etc) but you will never get too big because imo the most you can achieve naturally is still considered aesthetically pleasing to women and looks natural and healthy.
@@fracosativa38 Then you're a genetic freak or you've already been built quite massively even prior to lifting. In whatever case you're extraordinarily blessed. At least 90% of men won't look like this without the aid of the juice.
Back when I was younger I was benching 350, would do 3sets of 10 of 225 before I hurt my shoulder. Even then didn’t look jacked at all. I went to high school with a guy that at senior year was benching 400 and he had a similar build like me, stocky build but not jacked at all. Point is you have to have the correct genetics to get jacked. Even now I can lift 100 pounds with relative ease at age 45
Most guys should absolutely strive to put on as much muscle as NATURALLY possible while staying below 15% body fat. Unless they're on gear or have top 1% muscle building genetics it is physically impossible for most guys to enter the "too jacked" territory for female gaze.
This is 100 PERCENT ACCURATE. You don’t realize this at a deep level unless you’ve been doing it a long time. 9 years in my case. Gear physiques are never as attractive as natural physiques and even the best gear physiques are always using small doses.
@@gcioo-4488doesn't matter. How's he working his shoulders to crazy proportions but isolating his neck to seem as though he's still a skinny nerd? It's actually impossible.
That's why he said at the beginning of the video that he was merely using the guys photo to explain how to not looksmaxx and specifically said he wasn't judging the guy because he didn't know the reasoning for his choices.
What i mean is a lean natural physique, and this is achievable for everyone, and the girls are getting crazy, i bet. I am 5"10' and whey about 75KG at 12% Bodyfat. This is enough. My natural maximum should be arround 82KG. But i can have this 75 KG physique with just 5-10% of the effort it needs to be at 80-82KG. Nature limits your weight. So why forcing. The most girls i know, are even Impressd by a sixpack and some good Biceps, believe me. And most important, women getting horny by words and the story generated in their brain by looking at your life and how you live. That doesnt mean that you need to be rich.
As an avid gym goer for 9 years, the biggest “oh sh!t” moment is when you realize that the most attractive physique possible for men is the naturally achievable one. The moment your physique goes beyond the natural threshold, you’re instantly appealing to a smaller demographic and the further beyond that threshold you go, the less women are attracted to you. A peaked natural aesthetic physique for a man of about 5’ 9”- 5’ 10” and max 15% body fat realistically will never be heavier than 185 and that’s elite tier. 7-10 years in the gym. If you are heavier than that and still lean, you’re either on gear or you’re not as lean as you think you are.
then go for the female/s that also care about higher standards and are not insecure.Why would you even want these random,alcoholic women,are you not confident to approach better women?
@@arthurg.machado6803Then you are probably genetically blessed (not to take away from your hard work of course). I mean George Hackenschmidt was 5'9 and weighed over 200 pounds while being absolutely shredded with visible abs. However, that is definitely not something most guys are going to achieve. Congrats on your gains though!
Are you sure you are below 15 % body fat. Sam sulek in cut was 5 10 and 230 so only 15 pound lighter than him with same bodyfat seems unlikely @@arthurg.machado6803
@@shannonricelewis6016Remember it's face 1st height 2nd & body last when woman look at men but when guys look at woman it's the complete opposite were it's body 1st face 2nd & height last... It's been like that for over 100 years cause we're definitely designed completely different= Facts
So so niche , 99% of people don’t even go to the gym , 95% of gym goers don’t carry enough muscle to even be compared to the guy you showed at the beginning . Go to the gym get as big as you want as optimal and fast as you can . Be happy 👍🏼
It’s all about balance and proportions which most gym junkies are unaware of im very lean in the 7-8 range and have attracted many women the key is that I’m balanced and not overly muscular
I would definitely train myself as naturally as possible, based on the female gaze. I also thought women liked it bigger until I stumbled across RU-vid videos explaining the male vs female gaze, which made me realize that balance is the key. Some male celebrities eg: Christian Bale, had a perfect physique from the movie American Psycho, which represents the female gaze.
Getting jacked and beefed up as much as it's naturally possible should be the goal. Forget about looks-maxing, get aged-maxed. That is, it's far easier to maintain your health as you age if one has a high degree of muscle to start with once the decline in health begins in your 40s. But I get your point Waffles, this guy is definitely not Natty. He's on the juice.
You can get jacked without over training. I've never met a single old person who said they wished to have less muscle. Muscle is vital to a healthy metabolism. If you want to be frail and have a low quality of life in old age, keep being a couch potato.
Bingo. I think in general a mistake many guys make in self-development is where they go in the rabbit hole of one aspect (money, fitness, cold approach, etc.) and even if they succeed they are unbalanced. Better off being a straight 7 like 1stMan describes. For instance, upper middle class income, 10%-15% bf with some muscle and competent game vs being rich only, super jacked only or having great game only. The first type will have a better overall quality of life while the others will feel miserable because they are down in key pillars.
You only get this big from steroids so i wouldnt call it impressive or say hes dedicated id say hes a cheater and fake i guy like that wouldnt last a day working construction
Precisely this. Gymcels on juice are strong but have low endurance and will die of a heart attack at the age of 40 (zyzz died of a heart attack at the age of 22)
I get these points to an extent, but tell me this: why do girls have celebrity crushes on the jacked men, who often have body percentages in the very low teens or single digits? When is the line drawn for them, generally? In my opinion, working out frequently while being fully natural is the perfect way to achieve the physique both women like, while still being "jacked" enough that other men will compliment the physique.
The jacked celebrities have status(if women see that a large of people are interested in you,they will naturally be drawn to you) and are usually tall(height is self explanatory for women,I’m sure you know that) and usually are good looking(even skin tone,coloured eyes,jawlines,etc). The line is drawn for them when they fall off physically in my opinion. Leo has fallen off but not THAT badly(he still has hair for now)and again he’s an A lister
That guy is definitely not too muscular. Im doing bb for 14 years, similiar physique and have that on my dating apps displayed. Women do really dig that, especially for hook ups. He is not that big in order to turn women away. Someone like chris bumstead however can be too big for some girls, but thats an entire different league of mass. Girls drool over guys like jason momoa in aquaman. This guy in particular has to train his neck, its way too thin for the rest of his body and that throws it off. Train neck, drop glasses = win.
Momoa was great in Game of Thrones and Bullet to the Head. The "conan-travesty" too. Aquaman started to be his decline. In the last FF - he was already getting noticeably fat.
In the course of my weight loss journey, shedding over 70lbs, I came to appreciate the importance of the "V-Tapered" physique as the pinnacle of physical attractiveness. This standard not only elevates the overall aesthetic but also ensures that even with substantial muscle mass, one's proportions remain balanced. Take Batista in his prime, for instance, weighing over 300lbs yet maintaining a shredded physique. What impressed me most was his ability to avoid looking "bloated" or "bulky," maintaining a pleasing flow. This is reflected in his popularity among the ladies in the locker room. If you possess the right genetics, you may be able to defy certain norms. Before he turned to enhancements, Batista had a leaner, swimmer's physique. However, for most individuals, aiming for the leanest version of a V-Frame is advisable. Ps, This kid is basically Jeff Nippard 🤣
I was hitting the gym really hard one year and I was hitting that line of “perfect physique” and was going harder and I literally had girls telling me “stay right where you are at, don’t get any bigger and don’t shred anymore than where you are right now. Anymore and you will become unattractive”. This shocked me. So true though.
@@jessejames3660 I said I trained super hard one year…..but have been training for 20 years. Guess I should have mentioned that. I am and have always been 100% all natural. I don’t even take supplements. I just know what to eat and I know how to train.
lean athletic body is more attractive. I do running/cardio 1h~15km 2x per week to lower body fat and full body workout without weights 2h 1x per week to build muscles. I'm close to a perfect physique with minimal effort. Everyone should have 4h time every week.
Guys this is a dangerous ideology, it can ruin your life, please unsubscribe from this channel to save your sanity and personality is all that matters in a relationship. If the love of your life doesn't accept you for your looks then she isn't the right one lads. There's hope for you ❤
while you are not into steroids territory do not worry about female/male gaze. You will improve your SMV each day gym session And WW, I think you are talking about "without clothes photos". Maybe in that case you will have some problems to get girls if you are too muscular but 90% of the day you go dressed. In that scenario you maximize your SMV being as big as you can. You can see OKAN SERBES videos. He is 1,87 and 97 kg, too big for you, but he kills it just walking by street, beacuse he is too big and good face. A lot of girls react to him like a celebrity
He may not be training to attract women. He may want to be a body builder. To most people the body builder look appears oversized and strange, but there is a whole sub culture around it that think men and women who sculpt their bodies along those aesthetics are beautiful?????
That is called anabolic steroids lol. I would say the physique girls prefers on average is where you have gymmaxxed almost to your full natural potential, while also having a good conditioning.
While i generally agree with your point...the argument of this video seems to rely on what women are SAYING. We all should know by now that what women SAY and what women DO are never ever the same. Ever. In my personal life experience, not only do lean dudes tend to win, but I've never seen a muscle mass gym bro NOT have a bad bitch. Always and without fail, the biggest dudes in the gym are usually slaying poon.
I believe his arms only looks that big because of the lighting, the perfect angle and the pump. In day to day live he probably does not look that extreme. When I post pictures on instagram some girls write that this is too much, but in real life girls say "You look like you are doing a lot of sport" and do not even see me as a bodybuilder. If you are natural you will most likely not get this unaesthetically big. You have to get extremely far into your training to look like your example for aesthetics without a pump. You probably need to at least incline bench 100kg for 8 reps and weighted chinup +30kg for 8 reps or something.
Not even with lighting and pump work can make your forearms look mutant like, like that. There is some manipulation going on, or he has really unfortunate mutant disproportionate genetics.
Wheat Waflles, I am a fan of your content and agree with a lot of the things you say, however, I completely disagree with you on this topic that you frequently bring up. Firstly, you're seriously exaggerating the disproportionality of his appearance. The TikTok in this video is recorded in the perfect conditions to make his physique as impressive as possible. He isn't going to look like that in a normal context. If he's wearing a t-shirt, he would appear muscular, not freakish. If he's wearing a hoodie or jacket, you wouldn't even be able to tell if he's muscular or not. Unless you're a professional bodybuilder (which this kid isn't), you're not going to look disproportionate or silly in normal clothing in a normal context. Unless this kid is walking around naked, you're not going to be bewildered by his mis-matched appearance as you claim. Going off my last point, you're also ignoring the fact that a physique this size is completely unattainable for most men, even on steroids, simply based on genetics. Most men will never be able to look like this kid, ever. In all probability, if most men followed this kids exact diet and training regimen, they will achieve the "aesthetic" look you describe, not the abnormally large physique. - In other words, you warned your 150k subscribers to not try and look like this kid, whereas in all likeliness, probably only 0.05% of your subscribers could even genetically obtain this kid's physique with their best efforts. I also find it extremely hard to believe that this kid will have more dating success without his physique. Sure, his exceptionally large size doesn't fit his face, but it's far better than being a complete normie with a normal physique. His impressively large physique allows him to stand out from those who have a normal physique and normal facial appearance. It also adds to his personality and displays his hard-work and determinism to others, which smart women will recognize, and dumb women will not. - Similarly, I would much rather be 6"8 tall than 5"7. The positives of being too tall still significantly outweigh the negatives of being just shy of average (in a dating context). You also fail to mention that it would be much easier and far more practical for this kid to change his facial appearance than for him to change his physique. If he had a full beard, which almost all men can accomplish with effort, he would not look so youthful. You also fail to mention that this kid won't look youthful forever, it will be gone by the time he's 25. White people don't look youthful forever unlike South Koreans or West Africans. Wheat Waffles, I am very interested in what you have to say in response to my comment. Keep up the videos.
Whenever someone brings up evolution when talking about attractiveness you know they're full of BS. 🤓☝ "b-buh... my calories..." We live at a time where we have more resources available to us than ever. You think calorie consumption matters?
Werent yoy the one saying we should never listen to girls words but her actions? Why use clips with girls saying they prefer 15% when they can just be virtue signaling?
Remember that most of the buffed guys pictures are enchanced in some way. Maybe a good lighting or photoshop or just the right pose. They don't look like that all the time. But yeah I agree with the point of the video. Being so buffed means steroid use which is unnatural and undesired.
the photo is clearly lens distortion. his arms are not actually that out of proportion. anyway, to say girls would reject him for having muscular arms is the silliest thing i've ever heard
Its not just about rejection, but about investing time and focus. Given the goal of your optimization function is women, which it one way or another is for each of us, going that much down this path surely is an overspecialisation.
@@danielschlo3479 he literally just lifts weights. how is that overspecializing in anything. wheat made this vid cuz he's mad he has garbage tier muscle building genetics and is stuck a perma skinny ginger boy.
I never understood guys who push to lifting more 😂. Like what is the purpose of that? Most those guys are on steroids or can't even wipe because their arms are so big
There's multiple reasons why people do weight lifting for example people will try to get as much muscle as possible because the more muscle you have the more calories you burn just by sitting and people lift weights so they can get strong enough in case they need a lot of strength doing something
Honestly my experience is contrary to what is told in this video. I have relatively young, soft and feminine face with a large muscular body. I've been told by about 5 of the girls I've been with that they find it really attractive that my body and face are in such contrast and that they like that I like soft and not like a meathead but that I could pick them up and throw them about if I wanted to. I've genuinely heard this multiple times completely unprompted (usually after a smash).
A lot of in real life experience is contrary to his videos tbh. He rated me a 4 a couple of years ago, and women don't treat me like a 4 lol. Women are very different than Men. He approaches all this stuff from a male perspective naturally.
Realistically, even being a big bodybuilding (pro BB) is better than being an average slim or fat dude 😅( because being average doesn't stand out). Most heavy bodybuilder have hot girlfriends ( who are also into fitness), and most bodybuilders don't even care for chicks outside of fitness
8:00 Body fat % is not your physique bruh, 3-6% is only for competing and is not healthy to be long in that, You can be skinny fat 15% and no one will want you for you physique
imagine abusing steroids thinking that women will like it, when in reality most women like fit men with an athletic build, wich you can achieve 100% naturally. As a doctor i feel sad for this kid, because steroids will fuck up your hormonal balance, heart and liver so much that once you used you basically signing a warrant for shortening your life
Its well known that women do not like the Bodybuilder physique and that they prefer the 'olympic swimmer' look, or muscular but lean. The bodybuilder physique looks way too brutish, its not elegant. Huge guys like that are always the bad guys in movies, who the good guy has to defeat. Fat is there for a reason, otherwise we wouldnt have it. It optimizes and regulates hormones, protects arteries and veins and is a store of energy, therefor it makes sense that having a thin layer of fat under your skin is actually attractive. Plus, the bodybuilder physique is not even optimal technically speaking, because you are not fast carrying all that weight. Professional fighters, tennis or soccer players are not huge because they have to be fast. (Plus it is just not sustainable: you're gonna continue eating 8 times a day your whole life? Youre never gonna travel, start a family, start a business...hence her point in the video: ''all they do is go to the gym'').
Nah the “Olympic swimmer “ look is just tall with braid shoulders and lean,which most men can’t get because they are not all tall. A SPRINTERS physique is ideal for women at any height because of the following: -you’ll have wide shoulders and a small waist(V taper) -you’ll have low body fat(women like that) -you’ll look inn great shape by having a good layer of muscle -you’ll look actually ATHLETIC not fake athletic like how a swimmer looks
Hard disagree. If women had to choose between Brad Pitt in Troy & Brad Pitt in Fight Club, they are choosing Brad Pitt in Troy. They’re also choosing 2008-2014 Hugh Jackman over 2003 Hugh Jackman Massive Shoulders, Arms, Chest & Back matter far more than having defined abdominals and above average everything else. There’s a reason Steve Reeves blew everyone’s minds during the 1940s & 1950s, and it wasn’t due to his abs or his 8-15% body fat
I don't know man, I saw some of this guy's videos and he looks pretty solid. Sure he could lose the geeky glasses and have a better haircut, but overall I would say he can pull fairly easily. On top of that, I have to disagree with most of this video. I used to have an ex who had a pretty face and a good body, while covered in tattoos and smoking, but that doesn't stop me from dating her. Lastly, how we can assume the dating life of a complete stranger? We don't really know the guy outside of TikTok so we have absolutely no clue about his personality, game, etc... He might have over 100 bodies or could be a virgin, but we don't have any evidence to know that.
Almost everyone who works out does so to look better, because positive attention and validation triggers dopamine dumps comparable to drug use. The health benefits are usually secondary in their minds, even if few will admit it.
Just from personal observation -i have seen that complementary physiques (and character traits) is the way it attracts: a rather short and slender built women would find a tall,bearded, "bearish" physique attractive, a more curvy women likes men more with long distance runnerish muscle fibre insertions (So the offspring phaenotypical exspression will be more "leveled" on average) No one build fits all in this topic imho
Only Gym bunnys like this kind of Phisique. By this i mean real bodybuilder females, and those are VERY FEW. IN reallity its 10% to 15%. Abs shadow showing.
Facts and I don’t have attraction for those women so there would be no point in me trying to be a bodybuilder, I like my women slim with small arms, not the arms of a man.
Dude, you're incorrect here. That's a RU-vid/Instagram short for a 'Sleeper Build', not Looksmaxxing. The deception is part of the vid, it's not for appeal, it's to demonstrate what is hidden until revealed. I agree with the facial part, but the loose clothing and muscle is fine, you just perhaps don't agree with it, or don't have it - therefore cannot relate, understand of sympathize. I disagree with your entire take here.
2015 i joined gym. I could rep 135lb bench press 6x max. 2024 i can bench press 285lbs 6x max. Within those 9 years, i attacted only 1 lady. She was 45 years old, 15 older than me. She was a single mom of 3 grown children. Its either you got it or you dont. The gym dont mean crap. I didn't attract women before the gym either.
Good comment- I'm not a gym guy and never have been... But like you said- you either have that "charisma "or not - I'm like 6/ 7 out of ten (others have said)- and I noticed, as I've gotten older and have better appearance/ maturity - the only women interested is "bottom of the barrel " 1-2 out of ten overweight/ugly women who you can see clearly have never had a boyfriend before (un-datable-due to being ugly) and I've noticed as a more calmer person which happens with maturity- even more ugly women start approaching me as if to think I was some sort of incel... That's what I don't get- these women can't see they are un-datable...
Women view big huge muscles the same way they would view a man that will pull up too they house on the first date wearing a tuxedo 👔🎩 and a limousine just to go to the movies…they view it as doing wayyyy to much to impress them and they right to view u that way, because why would u want to be that big if u don’t play sports???
When will bros learn that taking roids is like getting a botched plastic surgery, it never looks good. Unless their goal is to compete and make money from the sport, but otherwise I can't justify this in my mind.
Have you heard of taking normal beginner doses and not going crazy with oral roids? You don't have to grow huge with roids. You could just get into your ideal range and then stop cycling, do pct and keep the vast majority of the gains. Also, have you ever tried a single cycle? The mental confidence it gives you is out of this world and you'd understand why so many people love it.
One of the reasons he looks huge is because he has a small bone structure, this creates the illusion of being huge. Put him next to a bigger boned man and he looks much smaller. I've seen a video of this guy next to a bigger dude. It's the same reason he doesn't look that big with a sweater on.
I think he should lose the glases anyways. And yeah he needs less muscles and more hair. But muscles arent as attractive as your bones, height, body shape.
Remember one of the most important things about looksmaxxing is not to give up it doesn't matter if you go from a 3 to a 5. or a 6 to a 7. it doesnt matter. what matters is not giving up and staying consistent it is only over if you never even tried.
Context is important: He's only 19 years old and still has some physical maturing to do. It's amazing how so many people have jumped conclusions about the dude based on a paused video 😂
yep, i just have baby face the only way i can lookmax is preety boy type more punk style, but need to start finasteride noticing thinning at temples with no hair it will be over for me, if it isnt already bc of my height
This guy is on the same level as me facially, but I highly doubt he could replicate my 9 dates in 1 week on tinder. The only way he'd be able to achieve that is by losing his muscle and e-boy maxxing, he might be able to get 15 dates in 1 week by doing that
this looksmaxing thing is getting out of hand ill be real. people think they can be nun but gym heads and get girls/ be happier lol. Doing it all wrong get your mental right, get your speaking right, get your walk style everything, its not just the gym LOL
