How Paleolibertarianism Fixes Feminism ( RB8: Shaun ) 

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1st wave feminists were the same people who thought prohibition was a good idea. So I view the first 2 waves in a very nuanced way

8:24 feminists only complained about places where women are worse off, and quite often ignored men's situation while still insisting women have it worse tho.

lefties be like: we should empower women! also lefties: anyone can be a woman! b r u h

"Some actions are better suited to being curtailed by being culturally frowned upon rather than made illegal by the state" - This. All of this. I do not consider myself a paleolibertarian but I do find this to be an actual foundational fundamental truth about the world and I don't think I've heard someone put that concept down so succinctly before.

I feel the need to point out, in regards to the "incel community's" point that there is a legal bias against men, they are not just comparing total arrest numbers and running with it, they are looking at examples of men and women committing the same crimes and getting wildly different outcomes. Insofar as total arrest rates are ever mentioned, it's pretty expressly as a sarcastic refutation to the practice of just taking total numbers with no context and slamming them together, ala the "wage gap."

Feminism started out to protect the interest of government bureaucracy under the assumption that women will collectively always vote in favour of government bureaucracy- I am therefore not at all surprised that BreadTubers will always been in favour of Feminism. Paleo-"Feminism" basically means stop being Feminist.

7:05 The argument about the “right to vote” as it’s said actually wasn’t an argument for fair treatment. Men weren’t allowed to vote simply because they were men. It came with the price of being a volunteer firefighter and being drafted if a war occurred. So from the beginning it wasn’t about having the same. Considering women were asking for the right to vote it would mean that they were asking for better treatment and to be privileged.

hate means disagreement in leftist speak, the same way misogyny and white supremacy mean anything opposing the interests of women and non-whites respectively. The best example I can give is, when you say that fathers should be able to opt out of fatherhood both physically and financially, feminists will oppose this saying it's not in the best interest of the child and the Childs interest is more important. however, they don't apply this same logic to the mothers ability to opt out of motherhood with things like abortion or adoption, in that case the mothers interest are more important. So I don't think it's about the interest of the child but to keep the fathers financially responsible, because it's in the interest of women. It's not about equality.

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Looks as though this is just the normal conservative view on feminism. It's difficult to count this as a specifically paleolibertarian stance. The set up in the beginning of the video is generally what every conservative I know says is the correct view on gender norms. Most conservatives I know of who aren't teenage guys generally do not agree with Andrew Tate specifically on his views about women. Not exactly a libertarian view, it's really just a center-right, socially conservative view with the added libertarian views on the economy.

I see no point in caring about issues of sexism, discrimination, etc because by nature they accept and promote a leftist moral framework. Slowing down the car isn't enough when braking entirely is possible and preferable. It is better to place freedom of association as the highest moral value (or at least higher than discrimination, equity, and whatever else resentful losers come up with), and to do so means not even paying lip service to the concerns of breadtubers and those who align with them. These people are your enemies, not just potential debate partners.

"And various issues of the modern day" Shaun, there are no issues of the modern day. Or, at least not in the countries which you are referring to. Title IX was over 50 years ago!

8:23 Crazy part about this is that I could recognize 80-90% of these RU-vidrs and Bastiat is just a modern lolberg and Jreg is a troll.

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Handmaids tale is a dog whistle and none of religious conservatives I know even come close to thinking that way. People keep saying handmaid tale is real due to abortion laws (I disagree with abortion and bans fyi) but that does not equate to what you described as a major camp in politics Edit : damn I fell for your strawman, my bad. Love the channel binging all the videos

Leftoids: SPELLING MISTAKE SPOTTED, I WIN.

I applaud you for being this far into the disastrous liberal experiment and still having enough restraint to be pro-freedom.

Two issues I see for further discussion: 1.: i dont have a problem with G.I. Jane. I have a problem when the entrance tests are changed (or standards are lowered) to admit a mandated percentage of women for the purpose of diversity. 2.: The only problem i have with anarcho-capitalists is that i believe federalism can protect individual citizens from predatory lenders or dishonest merchants. Also, i appreciate equally distributed public works. Other than police and public service, however, i dont see a need for government over reach.

I love your videos! I was debating some people about anarcho-capitalism today and they just dogpiled on me and said "oh what if the enforcers just violate your rights what then?" Anyways this is a relief

I might've found the most based RU-vidr rn. Thanks recommended tab!

Like the video, but as somebody who loosly follows andrew tate i would say he has some obviously good takes on things and some bad ones too. I would say over all he preaches bettering yourself in a very condescending way, he would say something like “why are you not as strong and wealthy as me, you are worthless and dumb. Go lift weights and read books” and in a society that is so soft and rewards weakness, i think a lot of men myself included respond better to that than pats on the back for doing the bare minimum.

Whenever I think about Shaun, I'm of two minds. I have quite enjoyed some of his videos but at the same time I always remember the two responses he got from TL;DR back in the day (not sure if those are on RU-vid anymore) which pretty conclusively show Shaun is willing to use dishonest tactics.... and Shaun apparently made it a mission to make cheap shots a Teal Deer every once in awhile since then. Also I really wish he had chosen a more distinct channel name as "Shaun" is just hard to search without RU-vid/Google thinking you mean a bunch of other people.

Your so good man. You seem genuinelly able to understand two sides of a coin and still parce out a "right" attitude or at the very least intellectually solid point if view. I admire you and I love this channel.

Your distaste for blue pilled midwits pleases me. And speaking of the fallacy fallacy, I find blue pilled skeptics such as Jeff Holiday doing stuff like that a lot especially since 2020

Who told me that? A general practice locum performing a gestational health care examination.

You cannot fix feminism because it is functioning exactly as intended. Unless by fix, you mean it like that of "fixing" a pet, as in, to neuter it.

This is really helpful, actually and you rarely see an honest attempt from men to find a middle ground between the three camps you pointed out. And virtually never from women. Even when you become aware of the ideology's failings and its implicit disdain towards femininity, you feel you need to double down and keep your mouth shut, and trust it'll get you where you need to be. What it has got us instead is the normalisation of prostitution, the erasure of our identity and relations between the sexes being reduced to cynical power games. I'm now not even sure second wave feminism had good intentions for women, it was always supposed to segue into gender ideology. What we need is to come to terms with what femininity and masculinity mean, but people who are attempting to do that routinely get shit on in the mainstream. Most women or men don't get to hear what they say.

I think the MGTOW camp is a lot more about just men giving each other advice on how to stay safe and improve yourself, which boils down to not paying attention to women and focusing on your own goals. Most men aren't delusional enough to think they can live like Andrew Tate lol, pretty sure most MGTOW are just checking out of dating entirely and focusing on their career, hobbies, and relaxation. I'm guessing you were probably exaggerating but I figured it would be worth giving my 2 cents in case you weren't and/or in case other people think that's actually what MGTOW is.

I watched some minutes of this and i have some doubts about the points you made. Thanks for linking the sources!

"Spat-ee-uhl". You sank my battleship. 😢

I am a recovering fan of "react to the article but don't understand what it says" content. There's a guy who's very popular on the right side of RU-vid that does this and when pressed for actual opinions or deeper thoughts than just "Omg can you believe this?" He falls flat. He also pees in his basement when he gets really drunk.

It hurts how some people won't know the truth and out of belief in this, people will be mistreated

My favorite definition of paleolibertarianism is libertarianism that recognizes an amoral society will lead away from libertarianism, thus for a society to be truly and sustainably libertarian, there must be a moral backbone. Or in short, libertarian laws and moral foundations are inseparable.

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8:53 That QV quote is based af. If I were a religious nut, I would think she was a prophet.

Thanks for the video !

Marxism and Neo-Marxist critical theories seem to value power above all else and place little to no importance on any other value. Modern feminism seems to do the same thing, so it makes sense to me that it is likely modern feminists are also Marxists and vice versa.

I like the video but there’s one issue I have. When did the definition of egalitarianism change? It used to run hand and hand with meritocracy, but now when I look it up it’s full of nonsense about wealth distribution and equity. I think within the last 10 years the word has been bastardized.

I have nothing more to add than my appreciation for this work. Well done man.

Thank you. For putting my nebulous thoughts into concrete words. I will have to save this video to help me explain myself when this topic comes up again

Another common W for the based and the fumopilled

Great rundown

Misogyny never was a problem until society chose to give women responsibilities they never wanted any accountability for. Now they are expected to be as responsible as men but fail in large part at the task. This harms the men who invariably are made accountable for the women's actions 'for the good of society' and to pick up the slack. This is really the only place the resentment of women can come from. I'm not counting the phenomenon of the poorly-named 'incel' in this because it's a subsequent effect but also because this amount of sexual liberty is wholly unnatural -an effect of The Pill. Resenting it is normal. It's sad when you consider that 'incel' used to be called 'Forever Alone' because that's what those men were truly afraid of. It became warped into 'incel' in order to mask the romantic desire of those men, make it crass by equating it solely with sex, and then judging them implicitly for their inability to 'get some'. Yet in reality $200 gets you some anywhere, anytime. Which is why 'incel' as it's currently defined is nonsense -it doesn't exist. But 'Forever Alone' still does. Of course, 'Incel' implies that a man isn't good enough for women. Yet, 'Forever Alone' implies that some people are so strange that no one is capable of loving them. This shifts the burden enough to damage the notion of women being the 'fairer sex' or the 'more loving/compassionate sex'. When millions of men, creeping onto a majority can't find love, it calls into question whether women lost their ability to be so loving or if they ever truly were. 'I'm unwilling to try for love with somebody I'm not incredibly attracted to,' is what somebody less concerned with the companionship would say. 50 years ago we'd stereotype this as a male sentiment and the opposite as a female one. Taking all of this into account leads to the inevitable idea that women are made great by a lack of liberty, not an abundance of it.

Me in the middle: "I just treat them as human beings"

What would be your stance on general cultural forces exactly?

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i really respect the tactic of intentionally mispronouncing stuff so that people point it out in the comments

This is all well and good in theory, but in practice they're just going to vote politicians who will do what they want and give them the jobs, the money and more for their vote. Why do you think welfare became the third wheel of politics and is impossible to get rid of in current conditions? When a dependent class is 51% of the vote and pay less in taxes, will you just convince them to be responsible? I agree with most of what you say, but unfortunately this isn't about having the same legal rights but using social punishment. It's in their self interest and in your disinterest. If you let a child vote but make it be frowned upon unless he is mature that won't stop them from voting for stupid stuff that is going to bite everyone in the ass. Simple as.

Such an overall well done video. One might even say a classic.

1:15 you forgot the MRAs. Tbf MRM is small and got very few accomplishments thanks to feminist establishment.

Using the fairest comparison I could find, I used to deadlift about the same as the current 200+ women's powerlifting world champion's 1RM, benched significantly more than her 1RM for reps, and could probably squat more as well though I never tested my max after less than a year of training, despite her probably juicing and me having as of yet undiagnosed low testosterone and using no PEDs. For those who don't know, my level of strength for my size at it's peak was MAYBE just a bit better than mediocre (I'm also not sure if her records were raw or equipped, but I didn't even use a weight lifting belt) The assertion that men and women have no innate biological differences these people make are either fantasy or low effort rage bait

Could you debunk Hakim next?

So basically let people be people and let nature be nature. Majority of women want to be mothers. My wife who's a very independent person by nature (fell in love with her when she picked up a hundred lb bag of dog food like it was nothing because she just wanted to help me at the dog store after a date when i needed to get dog food ) she wanted to stay home and take care of our kid, even if given an opportunity to have a job that doesn't conflict my jobs hours. She can handle most men because i taught her to defend against men as strong as myself. I dont go easy on her when i teach her... she still expects me to be the husband and protect her, rightfully so.

i would really like to see a video on the economics of slavery

Eyyy new video. Nice

I’m very late but great vid. However, I think you can say that many ancient patriarchies were oppressive because they didn’t allow women the basic rights you outline such as property rights and freedom of association. This gives the “centuries of oppression” narrative a nugget of truth but is largely irrelevant since the early 20th century where these and the right to vote were given in the West.

For some reason, that first take on feminism had me automatically saying "based"

British accent.....why am I not surprised?

As someone who frequently insults babies, I can confirm your conclusions regarding their understanding of my rhetorical jabs.

Thanks for the info

I gravitate towards a mixed approach for one reason: Left and Right is a relatively modern dychotomy. I am not really Libertarian, tbh, but neither Democrat or Republican.

Enlightening!

Why is this channel so hard to find?

I think that emmerson essay on compensation would be relevant for "equality". While we may not have equality of outcome, we have compensatory characteristics that are complementary to the strengths and the weaknesses of the other gender. Focusing on how we add value to others vs "cutting out the shins of the tall to give to the short" would be more cohesive and we will all stand on more sure footing.

21:06 Great video but do you have a study to back up the claim made here?

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Nice Video, Dude, Dood!

What’s your opinion on equality under the law

1:43 Tbf you missed out on people who think feminism won and are actively mad at new feminists who try to shift balance towards unironic matriarchy(aka people like old Sargon) and people who think feminism didnt won or still needs incremental improvements in society(people like NotSoErudite) and then there are subgroup of people that can apply to any other group and who think men need some improvements in their lives because feminism left them behind(child custody being unfair to men, men getting longer prison sentences then women etc etc) But worst part is, except that subgroup I mentioned, almost nobody talks about issues men have in society that stem from them being a men some feminists or anti feminists might mention em but wont do anything big to push for reforms.

This video is based AF, love the fact that you mention the overall grief of the left to believe people “dont have free will” or “people are conditioned to think a type of way” Oh yeah, btw the conversation about slavery is also true, a reason some states like my home of California, do have cause it fuck up the dollar for them

Just bought Feminism and Freedom at your recommendation and I really hope I actually read it cuz it sure ain’t cheap lmao

Are you arguing that the judicial system isn't more often biased in favour of women? Sure, women are less likely to commit crimes, but even when they do, on average they'll have it better at every step of the judicial system. When they're found guilty, they're less likely to receive penalties. Women tend to get lighter sentences for similar crimes and will usually receive milder investigations, hearings etc. than men. Their sentences are usually shorter and they're more likely to get out on bail or be released early on good behaviour. This may be related to most legal workers being male and men generally being more lenient towards women than other men, women usually being considered as more important for children than men and innate differences between men and women, but it's a thing and not just some incel conspiracy theory. If you disagree with the general premise here, I'd ask you to elaborate.

This channels great

Made a political compass quiz and was a paleolibertarian. Time to understand what the heck that is lol

Well, you heard it at then end: the Duluth model doesn't exist.

AI is not a threat by its intelligence but by its stupidity. The original 90s X-Men cartoon did it best Mastermold: "You created us to protect humans from mutants, mutants are human, therefore humans must be protected from themselves."

I was originally in the Mens Rights Movement, people like Karen Straughan and John The Other have argued about what you've mentioned. "Bad Faith has been a feature of Feminism from the Very Start." This is what we initially called "Patriarchy Theory" Which kinda outright stated that men have been oppressing women throughout all of civilization

19:55 honest question: I know sometimes you purposefully mispronounce words like "voooot!" but sometimes it's more common stuff like spatial as "spat-tial" instead of "space-al." Is this a case of encountering a written word and mispronouncing it as it appears, or is there some dyslexia or something going on? Just frankly curious. Either was, really enjoying the content!

What’s the video at 3:51 ?

19:56 Please tell me he’s shitposting Spat - eee - Al? Bruh. do you mean space - shall? Lol As in spatial awareness

All this talk about feminism and I'm trying to figure out if that's Metallica i hear in the background

19:01 zoning out and then seeing Oliver Kahn yelling at me through the screen was really a shock

Great take

Id take what the saturday morning cartoon villian y ou call patriarchy over qhat those in power are pushing any day of the week.

I'm waiting on the Breadtube video on Lindsay Ellis. She is the only one who I know a decent amount about. Due to Channel Awesome.

BUT IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR!!

I think the only people that could deal with female decadency with you're paleolibertarianism solution would be the Japanese; and maybe other peoples of the orient. Due to their natural sensitivity towards social pressure and their ever present sense of of the feelings of the broader community. How most folk of the world handle their personal emotional state when contrasted to the community's emotional state isn't one of outright subservience to the latter, but rather to please the former as much as is allowed. What I'm saying is that most people put pleasure before cultural norms that have no outright repercussion when broken. So while this paleolibertarianism solution may help with stuff like affirmative action, it doesn't properly tackle sexual liberation. I haven't watched all your videos, and don't know if you're fine with sexual liberation, but if you are then I guess your solution would work for you.

Thank you

Did you really come up with the phrase “ Islam is right about women “ ? If so cool 😎!

19:56 Spatial? You mean spatial right? Yes...I realize the redundancy in correcting a pronunciation error through text. I am merely bored

Plus you must give a name to the apple and orange dichotomy like grift or midwit so you don’t have to spend 30 sec to explain, giving them new exits to throw off your argument on a deep digression.

14:44 simple try this, catch bad argument exception, return “thank you for the feedback”

Nothing as reaffirming morale and so on than showing as referent a convicted proxenet and slaver in the first. I would wonder why anyone with a sense would feel bad about this...

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I know you were just giving the over simplified version of chat bots but your explanation is how they tried to do it before we got better with neural networks and machine learning. Your explanation is how someone might try to hand craft a chat bot but modern language models aren't hand crafted. They are taught. I'm not at all implying it's conscious. It's still just a statistically driven mimicry of human speech and it is based on real human language examples from the internet like you said. But it isn't looking up examples to piece together. It's creating new ones that are nebulously similar. I say nebulous because no one knows what the different parameters change. They don't need to though. They just need to have a system to evaluate responses that are better or worse than others and give it feed back to "learn" with ie tweak the parameters. I don't think it changes your main point at all. They aren't "thinking" they are just imitating. But I do think there's a big difference in how they function and it's good to understand it. The neural network approach is a lot like how our brains function as far as we understand them anyway. Or at least they are similar to basic general neurons but our actual neurons display differentiation and specialization. There are ones really good at keeping standardized periodic firing which we use to handle timing and rhythm for example. I just think it's important to bring up the difference because they ARE miles closer to an artificial brain than a system like you described. And while it's very obvious we haven't created consciousness or generalized intelligence yet it's much much closer than what you described. It would be like the space shuttle as a big wagon people ride in to see the moon. We're talking about two widely disparate generations of a technological idea.

Why does my comment keeps being deleted, I don't understand, I didn't post any link, didn't swear in my comment, yet I still had my reply deleted.

The Fourth: The Volentary Celebate. Some people just dont want to be touched, at all.

TL;DR vs TLDR news.

It's sad to see the manosphere referred to as basically a bunch of pick-up scammers. Back in the day (roughly a decade ago) things were different. The manosphere was a place for learning and philosophy. Now most of the great minds have left the Internet (rightfully so), practicing what they preach. All that is left are these pretenders.