I am 17yo girl, and I don't want to keep seeing this story of "women victims of men's actions in situations where they are involved" or stories where they are softened... I WANT TO SEE women with interesting pasts that are linked to their actions, brave, evil, selfish, sadistic, narcissistic, who seek to achieve their goals whether good or bad and who have their own motivations (and I don't care if I like the character or not) but who also have mistakes and are guilty of many things causing death and pain. I want to see moments like Cersei torturing Ellaria Sand and Septa Unella, Margaery manipulating Joffrey/Tommen to become THE queen, Olenna Tyrell being THE GOAT or Catelyn Stark hating Jon Snow just for existing
PREACH 👏 GRRM knew how to make complex characters that happened to be female. Many of the new-day writers have female characters as flawless. Whenever they make bad decisions it's never their fault as they were in that position due to men.
girl, go tf off 👏🏽 thank you. they butchered rhaenyra and alicent. like they did them both so dirty. book alicent would never have given up her kids or abandoned them and in the show rhaenyra seems to barely care she lost Luke ? she looked mad one time then next season she just wasn’t mad anymore? we need to see her thirst for vengeance and her grief and even her madness. they just had her play pacifist all season and then she gets a little zealot-y and that’s it
Apparently, the supposedly Green-biased maesters forgot to mention that one of Rhaenyra's biggest supporters crashed Aegon II's coronation in the Dragonpit and callously slaughtered hundreds of innocent smallfolk in the process.
When confronted about this in an interview with the Hollywood Reporter Sarah Hess said and I quote: "It's Game of Thrones - Civilians don't count." WTF?!?
@@lordfreerealestate8302 you watched SavageBooks' deep dive too? 😂😂oh man that was illuminating, it was hard for me to understand why the hate was only directed at Sara Hess, but I got to see straight from the horses mouth - she has out there views colouring everything and yes men. That video was 110%, professional, factual, and objective; Sara Hess doesn't understand Fire and Blood and she replaces anything she doesn't get with her personal views antithetical to the source material. It's not opinion, she thinks every negative thing written about the female characters is "patriarchy" propaganda so she infuriatingly disregards canon with sheer confidence.
George has referred to the "typical Targaryen princess" sometimes as one of his favorite character archetypes in his world: fiery, bold, strong-willed, ruthless and willing to burn anything that stands against her, or she thinks stands against her. Visenya, Rhaena, Rhaenys, Rhaenyra and Baela are all that type of character. This show we were supposed to get several of those characters, but they all got retconned because those character appear to be pRoBlEmAtIc now to the writers' sensibilities. Women are supposed to be patient, gentle, kind, wise and good, all of them.
They tried so hard to make her into Daenerys and failed big time. Daenerys had to fight to survive and worked her way up. Rhaenyra got everything handed to her on a silver platter and she still managed to screw up.
Even Daenerys was a flawed character with valid aspects of criticism against her, not a clear-cut heroine. She was gray in some ways, like most GRRM characters.
@@vardiganxpl1698exactly in the books I feel she will achieve what rhanerya and her other ancestors failed to do since it’s because of the misogyny of the dance the dragons were pretty much destroyed and all because they didnt want a woman on the throne.
“Had everything handed to her” she was a woman living in misogynistic, feudal society. She really had to fight to be taken seriously as a woman in position of power
Their obsession with making sure the women never come off as bad completely killed her as a character. Instead of being a fully fleshed out character she's just a shadow of a character. Making her be drug into war by the evil men makes her look like a weak ruler, and her sneaking in to talk to the other queen about peace after her son was murdered makes no sense. I don't know of 1 mother who would lovingly talk to the person responsible for their child's death
I read GoT but not these books and I still thought Raenyra and Alicent are incredibly flawed characters in the show (somewhat as a cause of their circumstances, but not quite)
Really interesting how the writers read Fire and Blood and decided that actually Rhaenyra is a y/n self-insert character who is perfect and never does anything wrong and is loved by everyone, except for the clearly evil messed up other side of the family who unfairly stole the throne she had divine right to simply because of misogyny, and the many parts of the book that disagree with this interpretation are just propaganda created to smear Rhaenyra specifically.
Outing myself as a Tumblr user rn but omg this was literally my post! Wild to be reading the comment section of a video and then finding your own words already there 😂 anyway glad others feel the same way about this! They really fumbled Rhaenyra so hard. I wish we had complex gray Rhaenyra who wasn't afraid to take any action in her own story 😭
They want to lure Daenerys' huge fan base to watch the show. It’s not about character development it’s all about viewership, likely a decision made by higher-ups at hbo max
@@ACinemafanatica crap ending because D&D whitewashed Dany too. Her transformation towards being a Mad Queen is what her entire arc was building up to, and it should have taken seasons to develop. But D&D were afraid of alienating her fanbase so they saved her villain turn for literally the last second of the series.
The problem is that Daenerysbactually has charqcter development and is treated as having flaws in the books, and even in the show up until the last few seasons. Daenerys and Jaime were my favorite characters in GoT, and I absolutely hated how they character assassinated all of them in the last seasons. They were my favorite precisely because of how flawed they were; they made mistakes and were at times cruel, but were not evil. Nothing about Rhaenyra is likeable, and she shares nothing in common with Daenerys. As someone else in the video comments mentioned: Daenerys had to struggle, survive, and earn her way to a position of power from the streets of the Free Cities with an absuive brother. Rhaenyra literally lived her entire life wealthy and priviledged up in the high castle that is the Red Keep; she was a s**t that never earned anything she got. In the books, she had much more in common with Cersei than Daenerys.
It made me laugh when Rhaenys argues to the lords that Rhaenyra wears the crown of Jaehaerys I the Conciliator. The same Jaehaerys who refused to name her heir twice because she was a woman and who certainly would never have named Rhaenyra or her bastards. Not to mention that the crown was stolen, because the king who first wore it would never have given it to her, everything Rhaenys says is ridiculous or absurd.
Every scene with Rhaenys was painful to sit through. She's such a self-righteous twat, and the writers were clearly in love with her character despite writing her to be a mass murderer of innocents.
She says he is the longest reigning king as if it’s some achievement, bish he was the 4th king. Like… Maegor had 3 seconds. Jaha was not the one for her to name here. 😂
Season 2, I absolutely hate her. She's an incredibly entitled person. Self-righteous, petulant, and weak. She's never seen ruling as her duty but as her right. Which for me, makes me dislike her intensely. Idk why the writers chose to go with the Blacks good/Greens bad narrative. They should try to even out it in season 3 because in this season it nearly ruined the show.
“Nearly ruined” 😂😂 hotd became fanfic the moment they made alicent and rhaenyra “besties” and considering where it went that shit was better if it never left the writers room, not to mention the white heart appearing to her during the hunt, the coronation scene, the writers attributing the overturning of roe v wade to Emma’s death……🙄……, her and daemon killing a guard the same night laenor was killed and it’s as if everyone on driftmark is R E T A R D E D, them making aegon a grapist and as if that wasn’t bad enough he also indulge in fighting pits (WITH CHILDREN) ………..😐 I’m just surprised ( not really) it’s taken this long for people to call out hotd for the mid show that it has been heading for since season 1 ( tho they had some good bits) they have been fumbling since season 1 so I doubt they’ll get a grip on there passions come next season it’s only gonna be more fanfic writing……
I actually like the book version more, its complex. While Rhaenyra in the series looks at the best time completly delusional and at all other times like a complete moron.
There's a lot of inconsistency with her characterization that's for sure. The writers don't want her to be like her book counterpart, but they also don't know how they want to develop her as well. They now have to invent a character arc for her, but they just aren't as good as GRRM is at it, so now they're just flailing.
I have a friend who recently watched HotD and was very disappointed in the writing of the women. She watched Sopranos for the first time lately and mentioned the female characters on that show not being afraid to have obvious flaws but still come off as strong powerful women and likable like Carmela or Meadow. She couldn't help but compare because HotD dropped the ball so badly. Sarah Hess and several others are so afraid to give any of their female characters flaws that at this point, it's so obvious for everyone to see. Only braindead TikTok/twitter casuals like Rhaneyra being boring bossgirl.
Rhaenyra is clearly much more like Cersei than Daenerys. Ruthless, unforgiving, doing anything for power, and her love for her children is her main redeeming factor. She even has the three baseborn children she passes off as real, brutally suppressing anyone calling it out, and eventually fighting a war over it.
Cersei's love for her children is based purely on narcissism, seeing them as extensions of herself. Rhaenyra (if we're talking about the books) is a bit vapid and spoiled, but her love for her children is far more genuine, so I don't think this comparison is entirely fair.
Cersei loves for her children is heavily influenced as she sees them as extensions of herself, not all but a BIG part of it, that is why she was so quickly to dismiss Jaime when he became his own person. Rhaenyra is all those things you said too but even if she is similar I do think they are very different overall as Rhaenyra has some interesting qualities like her relation with Laena, being the youngest dragon rider ever in known history and how genuine it seemed that people close to her love her.
How Helaena will die in House of the dragon. Helaena gets news about jaehaera being sent to storms end to seek refuge with the Baratheons. She sighs then says “I feel as though i should be sad about not being able to see my daughter again” Alicent asks “what do you mean again??”. Helaena stares at alicent and says “I forgive you”. The following scene shows rhaenyra entering the room with helaena, she talks to her about the song of ice and fire and how daemon told her about how he saw you in his dreams. Helaena says “you know your part”. Rhaenyra cries after realizing that helaena was team black all along, she gives her sister a hug before walking out of the room. All alone, Helaena now stares out the window. She suddenly has a dream of the song of ice and fire. There she sees a white walker and dany, before we get a shot of bran. Bran tells Helaena to kill herself to save the Targaryen line. Helaena nods and says “i will, for you are the prince that was promised”. Then Halaena leaps out the window, the Hightower theme plays. She falls in slow motion as we cut in and out to unnecessary scenes of rhaenyra making out with queen consort mysaria. Halaena finally hits the ground and cries.
@@shadowgod1797 I mean yeah, but like, it never really amounted to anything in the final season of GoT, and Bran seemed more important than Jon ironically, so....yeah?
Well, Rhaenyra wasn't a "mad queen," per se. She was just an arrogant bitch who wanted the throne from the start and was willing to go to war for it out of her own ambition. She was never mad, just a shitty person from beginning to end.
They whitewashed her so hard they even took some pounds off from her, for a bunch of people who claim representation to be such an important aspect of their work they sure seem to draw the line at obesity.. By the way I do believe there are flaws within the shows version of Rhaenyra however nowadays people have grown accustomed to ignored or even forgive this type of characters traits when outside sources tells them to do so like for example off the top of my head we got: Rhaenyra forcing herself on Criston Cole, looked at it anyway you'll like but she quite literally kept making moves on him even after he explicitly said "no", he is lowborn knight who is in debt with her, not the son of a lord but a steward against the daughter of the f King! Even if he "consented" afterwards (which doesnt exist) it doesnt change what she did and the psichological damage she inflicted on him Btw she seems to have this obssesion forcing herself on others because she does it again when she makes out with Misaria at an actual extremely rather odd moment, do the writters know you dont have to make physical advances to show empathy towards others?? Other traits show Rhaenyra has shown are: asking for the "sharp" interrogation of children, disregard of human life with the dragon seeds, she tried to usurp Drigtmark from the rightful heirs through lying and manipulation, demands the heads of all of Alicents children (curiously too how only her male kids are offered eventhough poor Daeron hasnt even done anything and by all accounts he seems to be an actual good person), she is also a terrible leader who doesnt want her small council to make a move and eventhough she doesnt listen to them she considers herself the best option to rule the Kingdom, im sure im forgetting some others but I kinda also want to clean my mind from what I saw in the serie
It's actually insane how normalized misandry is in movie industry these days. This show with its "women are always peaceful" and "men crave war" messages is just a tip of the iceberg of what we are seeing in other media. Like in what universe were we supposed to root for Alicent selling out all the men in her family and only sparing Helaena, because she is a girl? The fact that someone wrote this scene, someone else approved it and someone put it together without saying how insane it truly is, is enough to rule how fcked up our society is. And how fcked up it is that hating men is considered normal. The amount of vitriol that this fandom holds towards Criston Cole simply because he refused to be Rhaenyra's s€xtoy is honestly horrifying. Rhaenyra was whitewashed simply because she is a woman. Just like Alicent was whitewashed simply because she is a woman. And Rhaenys and Mysaria were whitewashed simply because they are women. They are all victims of the patriarchy and the men around them. I came to hate Rhaenys as a character, because she's not really a character. She was there simply as a mouthpiece of the writers to voice and force their 21st century views in medieval fantasy setting. Some things that Rhaenys was saying would never even cross the mind of a medieval woman. She's not a character, she's a caricature.
The sad thing is that if they portrayed the women of the show as the conniving, ruthless manipulators they are, it would actually serve to show a more egalitarian view of women in ASoIaF. Portraying them as both victims of a patriarchal system but also readily playing into it for their own selfish gain would be too nuanced for production studios. Instead we just get women being victims, women being smarter than men yet constantly doubted by them, and men being the cause of basically every conflict in their world.
I agree with a lot of what ur saying but I don’t think Criston is hated solely for not wanting to be a sextoy lol, he’s the definition of a man who failed upward despite acting incredibly brashly/stupidly in multiple instances and in ways that should’ve gotten him killed like 3x over, despite being shown to be smart on the battlefield.
@@user-yl2so8db5tCriston was the greatest fighter of his time too. Plus book Ser Criston had some great one liners… “seven save us if we sit a bastard on the iron throne.”
THANK YOU! It's geniunely crazy because you know if a woman refused to be a sex toy of a prince and then talked shit about him people would say that it's "female empowerment" but a man does it and they call him an "incel" like come on...
Rhaenyra should have been a mix of Cersei and Dany while Alicent should be like Margery Tyrell from GOT. Their rivalry was much more interesting in the books than the versions on the show. I don’t even really know what they want on the show - especially Alicent. Rhaenyra in the show wants to be queen but only if she doesn’t hurt anyone and Alicent has basically given up on her children for no real reason I can understand. It’s a really bizarre way to take the characters - I don’t understand what they are trying to do that is interesting or an improvement.
In the Dance of The Dragons, my favourite characters were Jacaerys and Daeron the Daring. I hate how in their efforts to give Rhae more storyline they took away from Jace, the dragon seeds storyline showed how Jace was coming into his own as Crown Prince
Jacaerys was ruined too. He had such an important role in the book, and he even had a character arc and growth. I hate that the show cut that out. I hate that they didn't include the whole Winterfell storyline, because that was so important for his character.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 if the writers dont do 180 turn in Season 3. I'll just watch the seaeon 4 reviews honestly, coz they already messed Daeron by excluding Maelor in the Story😒
But guess what? They have time to give baela and rhaena “more to do” even tho daeron does a lot more to do narrative wise and he’s just hung up on the wall in the writers room like - 🧍🏼♂️…………😐, I refuse to take hotd seriously as a contender with game of thrones.
@@youngveteran6368 I'm not watching season 3. It's too painful to see them butcher characters that I love. Especially the Greens. I'm actually enjoying ROP in some ways more and that's sad.
They wanted us so bad to pick a side even though it's not the type of story where you should pick a side , this story should've portrayed two power hungry sides who did everything to win , this story should've been like real life politics ... No one is innocent in this game ... Innocent people only exist in children's stories or fanfiction 💀
The only character that parallels Dany is ironically Nettles. Orphaned, homeless, brave, gained a dragon love and got a clan of people to worship her. The writers are foolish.
I love Nettles as a character but she is definitely not like Daenerys. About the Orphan. Nettles is either Daemon's daughter or his mistress according to the book . Mushroom had the theory Nettles was Dameons lover. On the other side, Norren wrote that Daemon doted upon Nettles "as a man might dote upon his daughter", and described Daemon teaching Nettles common courtesies and giving her fine Gifts.Either way in terms of her having a dragon she has family ties to daemon and the Targaryens. She's probably not an orphan if Daemon is her father. Daenerys bases her entire conquest of Westeros and all her actions on the fact that she is the only legitimate daughter of the last king. Nettles is unfortunately not aristocratic or royal and has sworn her allegiance to others. Daenarys pursued her goals until her death and Nettles simply disappeared after Daemon's death even though the black faction needed her because she had one of the last dragons. Apart from that Nettles was hated by the greens because of her connection to Daemon, the blacks especially Rhaenyra hated her because they couldn't trust her as Dragonseed and the normal population especially in kingslanding saw her as one of the traitorous bastards of the Targaryens (Dragonseeds) and/or the mistress of a mass murderer (Daemon). She herself had no one but Daemon who appreciated her. In contrast to Daenerys, who many adored, but who had no special beloved person. In her childhood , Dany often changed her Home but they had money through the jewelry of her mother, a roof over their heads and she never went hungry or worked for money. Nettles had to steal for her money and she really was homeless. Every character is unique and you can not compare Rhaenyra to Dany or Dany to Nettles.
@@Cat-mn7mlwell Nettles and Dany were penniless Dany was princess but never lived like princess she had to move one place to another to survive and Nettles lived in streets. Both girls did what other couldn’t Nettles claims wild dragon when other dragon seeds couldn’t do it Dany wakes dragon from the stone when her ancestors couldn’t do it. Also when Drogon runs away he becomes wild and attacks people Dany tames him. Both girls claim wild dragons without anyone’s help. Nettles in the end lives with her dragon and Dany also lives with Drogon they lived beside their dragons. Nettles becomes some kind of goddess for savage clan and Daenerys is now become Mhysa and breaker of chains
@@AlinuraTaskali But the situations are completely opposite. Nettles lived like this in her childhood because she was a bastard. She was never naive and had to get by with theft. She had no one and deliberately tamed a dragon on her own and saved herself from the situation. Daenerys had this childhood because she was a wanted princess. Especially Viserys and other supporters of the Targeryens took care of Dany, that's why she was so naive in the first book. She only got the connection with the drothaki and the dragon eggs because of her status and she didn't hatch the dragons on purpose, it was an extraordinary circumstance. Of course she could tame Drogon, he was not wild, they had a connection like all other dragon riders. Dany does not live with her dragons. They fly around in the wilderness, which doesn't make Dany special compared to all the other dragonriders and their dragons (vaghar/Aemond). Yes, they have both accomplished something incredible but the same can be said about jon and he is nothing like dany. Their ambitions are also completely opposite. Dany's all-important and goal-driving quality is her royal lineage. She wants to claim her birthright. She is a queen and allows herself to be treated as such. Nettles is completely different. She is rather wild, free but has no great ambitions regarding her position.
@@Cat-mn7ml both girls are outcasted Dany is princess who is penniless and powerless while Netles is bastard. GRRM said his most characters is outcasted including Dany. Dany marries Drogo where she at least had someone with her. While Nettles was accepted by Blacks and she lives with Daemon. Dany had Viserys and Nettles also probably had mother but maybe she dies. We don’t know much about her. I am sure there was someone who raised her. While Other Targaryens lived in luxury. When Drogon meets Dany after he run away he attacks people and was even ready to kill Dany. She says if I run he will devour me. He burns her hand and her hair. Also in the book in Adwd it’s said other Valyrians used spell magic to control dragons but Daenerys did it with one word and whip. While Nettles tames wild dragon with sheep. If you look at other Targaryens they had knowledge and experience about dragons. They always had someone to teach them. But both girls never had someone to guide them. When Drogon takes her to Dothraki sea Dany sees where Drogon lived. She eats what Drogon ate and when Drogon burns horse they together starts to eat it. Show me a Targaryen who had the same experience. There were no Targaryens who lived like that. Vhagar wasn’t wild dragon Vhagar had 3 riders before Aemond. For example Silverwing after her rider died she made her lair in Red lake where it’s said she became wild just like Drogon who made his lair in Dothraki sea. Nettles lives with Sheepstealer they also together eat whatever dragon bring. Only two of them lived like this. Other Targaryens literally locked their dragons in Dragon pit. Dany makes the same mistake but when she was with Drogon she accepts fire and blood which she finally realised that It was wrong idea. Dany and Nettles have more common thing when it comes to dragons. Savage clan worshiped her and Dany also forms her own khalasar becomes first woman to do this. She helps slaves and they literally sees her as their mother. Yeah Dany has more thing she needs to accomplish but you can not deny that they don’t have parallels.
@@AlinuraTaskali Viserys II, son of Rhaenyra, lived as a slave in the free cities and grew up there. He had no money and no power. Alysanne and Jaeherys were imprisoned by their uncle during their childhood and had no power and no luxurious life. Even when they freed themselves, they had to live in hiding until Maegor died. Aegon V followed Duncan as an orphan and a commoner. As the 4th son of a 4th son, he was irrelevant for the succession to the throne and had no luxuary while he lived with Duncan. Even if, unlike the others, it was his own decision. Ulf White and Hugh Hammer were both bastards of House Targaryen and lived like Nettles in childhood. The only difference is that they died later. The entire Blackfire Clan lived in hiding. So some of them did. The dragonpit thing was only from the time of maegor. Before that, all dragons lived freely. Even after the construction Vaghar and Balerion lived freely. So it's not unusual. Incidentally, every dragon challenged its rider at the beginning. Even Vaghar with Aemond. As Viserys also said, dragons are free and wild by nature. Even any experience from others is useless, otherwise Rhaena would have a dragon long ago. Thats why Dany wasn't that special with taming Drogon either because he was not wild. He was raised by her and he challenged her like all Targaryen dragons. There are some parallels but they are not special and their ambitions and characters are too different. Btw Nettles mum was a whore and she really had no one. She was homeless. Viserys took care of everything and practically raised Dany. Nettles tamed the Dragon herself but Daemon teached her later unlike Dany. She had someone who helped her. Furthermore most targeryens commanded their dragons with words.
What also pissed me off is in the books Jace is a badass making a bunch of big moves to help turn the tide for his mom like sowing the dragon seeds and getting married to a snow girl in Winterfell (allegedly) so Cregan Stark will side with them, in the show they just made him whine and mope all season 2. Such a character assassination on one of my favourite tardgaryens. Also they skinny washed Rhaenyra, she is supposed to eat her pain away with each death of a child, I WANT FAT RHAENYRA AND I WANT HER NOW
@@StankeyWang Strong in show since they made it so obvious but he would be Waters bookwisebut he is not because he supposed Velaryon even tho everyone know he is not
The idea that the Maesters wrote the books to favour the greens because they hate the Targaryens in nonsense because the greens themselves are also Targaryens. If anything it is black fans who are biased one which is rooted in the notion that the blacks are Targaryens and greens are Hightowers. Could anything more clearly show the obvious bias of the black fans than their attempt to deny that Aegon II and his siblings are also the blood of the dragon?
The writers wanted to show the dance because it fit into their narrative about evil sexist men went to war because they wouldn't want a women on the iron throne.....so they had to whitewash rhaenyra because if they didnt the narrative wouldnt be what they originally wanted, but instead it would give people the idea that while its wrong to go against a ruler because of their gender that maybe rhaenyra shouldn't be queen because she was a horrible choice of a monarch. They do it all for Rhaenyra.
And the show could've touched on the issue of misogyny the way the books did ... Rhaenyra experienced sexism but it also didn't make her a qualified or competent leader. She should be a flawed gray character or anti-hero at LEAST ... but she was made into a one-dimensional "girlboss".
@@lordfreerealestate8302 not just any girlboss but she has been labelled as the chosen one.....I mean they made a fricken animal that whoever sees it shows ur chosen by the gods.........
@@lordfreerealestate8302i think also the error that she wasn’t a competent leader is because her dad didn’t do a good job with her politically since he pretty much tossed her to the wolves the moment he named her heir and he made the inheritance an even bigger mess marrying alicent
@@ACinemafanatic At the end of the day she needs to be a competent ruler, not being taught just makes her more unqualified. So she shouldn't be queen on that basis alone. I don't think most people understand this.
@@ACinemafanatic well even before then she was always spiteful and vindictive it's said when she gets called out for her infidelity she had daemon kill and maim people and had the remains fed to cyrax.
The thing is, while they definitely want to “whitewash” Rhaenyra, they haven’t actually succeeded. While her attitude is portrayed as benevolent, and pretty music plays in the background while she’s on screen, her actions are arguably worse than in the book. She’s still shown to do all the selfish, foolish, malicious incompetent things. She insults, bullies and humiliates the lords vying for her hand in marriage (the same lords whom she would need to support her claim in The Dance). Selfishly and recklessly mothers Strong bastards and treasonously pretends they’re legitimate. Encourages and condones her son’s bullying of her brother leading to Luke cutting Aemond’s eye. Recklessly, selfishly and carelessly neglects her duties as heir by running away to Dragonstone. Is still complicit in B&C, even with the changes from the book by allowing her nephew’s assassin walk away unpunished. The list goes on. They even make her worse in the show by having her murder an innocent man to exile Laenor so she can fornicate with her uncle (imo, she was not responsible for Laenor’s murder in the book). They’re portrayal of the Red Sowing was also far more evil and malicious than described in the book. She basically had them slaughtered against their knowledge and will as a blood sacrifice in the show (in the book, it happens more like how Steffon Darklyn attempts, single file one at a time in order, leave if you’re chickenshit). She’s not actually benevolent in the show and it’s really toxic and/or inept that shownlies support her. The showrunners have made her the protagonist, so they root for her like programmed npcs.
If I adapted the story I'd have whitewashed her a bit for likeability but she'd turn full cruel black queen after Luke is killed. I'd also plant seeds of it before his death so that the transformation is more realistic. Maybe she commands Cole to pleasure against his will (more explicitly) or Viserys hears of their affair and is about to have him executed and she sells him out (but Alicent saves him)...
3 eyed raven is the main character of HBO's "fan" fic, he controls everyone's fate since the Trags left for Dragonstone. Sara Hess is the new Kathleen Kennedy. Season 2 is the new got season 8 season is nothing but filler. "What would you have me do" is the new "she is muh queen, i don't want it".
Crazy thing is Bloodraven wasn't even born yet during the Dance of Dragons, and yet Ryan and Sara still made him a main character. It just shows that the people who are running the show are not even real fans of the books, because how could they not know that. 🙄
Something I hadn't realized about currency advisor Lord Lyman Beesbury. The thing is that, very blind to the probable danger that Daemon and the bastards of Rhaenyra represent, he seems like a dangerously blind or even malicious politician. Then I remembered the case of Saera Targaryen and her main lover Sir Braxton Beesbury whom Jaehaerys I killed with his own hands for disgracing his daughter. This Braxton was the Beesbury heir and since Lyman was a Lord, he concluded that he was Braxton's nephew or something, but what he discovered is revealing. Lord Lyman was born in 49 AD and on the other hand Braxton alias "sting" was born in 65, meaning that Lyman is 16 years older than Braxton, the latter specified that he was the heir and that he had younger brothers but Lord Lyman cannot be his brother. minor because he is 16 years old and the only link I can establish is! Lord Lyman is Braxton Beesbury's father! and actually recent of the Targaryens because Jaehaerys himself liquidated his son and heir. He probably wanted to put the worst Targaryens on the throne, which would be Rhaenyra, Jacaerys and Daemon because he knew they could destroy the work of Jaehaerys I (the murderer of his son Braxton) and destroy the Targaryens from within. All as revenge for the son that the Targaryen king killed. His blindness towards Rhaenyra was never real but he knows that it is disastrous for the Targaryens and he wants that catastrophe to exploit the Targaryens in the worst way.
The answer is a bias against men. The female characters are being made into flawless paragons and martyrs. We need to just admit it and if we want the show to improve. We need to point out its real issues. There are almost no decent male characters in this show, and the morally gray men are made much worse than they are in the books. This has nothing to do with Dany.
In their absolute scramble, to paint Rahenyra as this Tragic Saviour figure, and everyone else (Largely men in general) as these war-hungry barbarians that "Only she can keep together" (Rahenys, you killed like 90 peasants, sit down), they ended up making her...boring. She's just a wet blanket constantly floundering about and trying to "Avoid War" when we're already several battles and bodycounts in. Raheanyra in the books isn't a saviour, or even that much of a good person, (good daughter and mother TBF) But she is INTERESTING. Because of her flaws. Flaws that, in the show, have to be passed on to others so she isn't stained. Let her be flawed. Let her sink to her enemies level. Let...bloody hell let some measure of blame fall on the Blacks.
Some of these average hollywoood writers only care about putting their own ideals through these characters. As a result we get flawed inconsistent characters.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Thank Mr. Maester once again you have another banger of a video that never fails to brighten my day thanks again for being the best team green RU-vidr out there.💚 🫡
I know people in our time don't think babies are humans, but I would also like to remind that she had a daughter who was lost in childbirth. And rhaenerya blames Alicent for that. And this miscarriage leaves her ugly too which is a big reason for her jealousy in the books which ofc they will cut out too.
I wish we would’ve been able to see the spoiled, feminine, and conniving Rhaenyra from the book. There’s no one like Daenerys. Mysaria would honestly be the closest to her character
@@Male_Ficent I just meant that Mysaria is the only prominent character who has been sold as a slave and is in a foreign land. What he was talking about in the video that makes Rhaenyra so different from Daenerys. But ofc Mysaria could never be Daenerys. No character could
My problem is shes boring. Im fine with a little whitewashing, same goes for Alicent. Because the book clearly portrays them as the two evil witch’s that tore the realm apart. But they should still have some of the traits from the books. Like blood and cheese make it clear that it was sanctioned by Rhaeynra. It’s an evil act, but we understand it and why she did it. Or instead of a passive Alicent have her slowly turn into this ambitious woman who takes control of her life by being the one whispering in the kings ear. Ultimately the biggest problem with the show is Alicent and Rhaynera. They’ve been reduced to much less interesting characters, and since their the primary characters it makes the show less interesting.
Rhaenyra in books :I want my throne and i want it now ! daddy promised to me ! Rhaenyra in show :I must win throne God send me to save the World...i mean sit the Throne
@@queenxx1690 realistically if she was keen on securing the 7 kingdoms she would keep the 4 out of the 6 kingdoms sworn to the realm at this time and If she was really REALLY serious she would promise vyserys or aegon iii to a young daughter of house Martel and secure 5 out of the 7 kingdoms, allow the storm lands, and the western lands to be sworn to the green faction where they can use oldtown as a base of operations for there monarchy. And she would have 5 out of 7 kingdoms and 11 dragons to secure the safety of the realm……. But alas she isn’t that sharp
Edit: 9:29. Thats not Rhaenyra. Thats Daenera and Corwyn Corbray. Bro, don't underestimate your audience. We are wise enough to know all the artworks lol
If they really wanted to do a proper feminist show, they should have done a show on Nymeria and the Rhyonar. No. They just want to whitewash females in House of the Dragon and make dragon battles.
theres this movie called i, tonya where you have the people describing the events and some describe it differently and we see both scenes of the event playout, i wish we had that with house of the dragons so we leave the fans to interpret what really happened instead of seeing a show that says this is what haooened
The reason Dany (except for S8), Cersei, Margaery, and Arya are so likeable is because they aren’t perfect and absoluty morally correct ppl, and they don’t intend hide it. Some of them are selfish, power hungry, mean, murderers, and have envy, but on the other hand they’ve redeeming qualities, they are clever, cunning, have empathy and will protect their love ones. That’s what makes them interesting. Book Nyra and book Alicent are the same. But the Rhaenyra potrayed by hbo is “almost” an angel like 😐 to the point she doesn’t encourage you to keep watching how human she is, she’s like a vassel of character who falls victim of everyone around her. “How can’t you be TB?” Well, you can’t not be TB bc everything pushes you to be Team Rhaenyra no matter what, and don’t get me wrong I know she’s the rightful heir, but the show lacks soul bc of the simple fact that everything has to make Rhaenyra look “unrealistic pure”
The writers of this series are writing their own fan fiction. And as George said, the rest of the seasons can only get worse. In fact, it's a shame that such a significant event in asoiaf, like a heartbreaking war between a brother and sister, turned into a lesbian fanfiction written by two clowns
Oh poor Rhaenyra she's just a... PRINCESS, HEIR TO THE THRONE... maybe a little RIDER OF THE FKN DRAGON, she was't opressed by the lords! Who in the right mind will scold a woman WITH A NUKE BOMB, she isn't just a woman, she has more privileges than all the lords around and her only social problems are her brothers. That's all, but show runners forgot about it and tried to make a standart patriarchy victim like she's a poor servant girl in the tavern.
Okay but I gotta point out Dany in the books is motivated by helping people around her, without knowing of any prophecies, if anything she heard of the Azor Ahai prophecy AFTER she completed it. Other than that yep, HoTD tries to emulate Dany at every turn in their show because she's the reason the show exist. It's sad how the show-runners and writers had F&B to base everything on and people would like it Thank you for the video!
this was im talkin about bro, but my friends who didnt read the books they liked the show so much even though it was garbage. ur opinions are valid bro
Yes I was just saying they made Rhaenyra pu**y in the show I hate it! I was team black in the books because she was ruthless & ambitious & willing to do what she had to do to get her throne. & she was the named heir & the lords of the realm swore fealty to her. That’s all she needed for me but the show version is too hesitant & it makes her look weak. I rolled my eyes so hard at her sneaking into KL to talk to Alicent after kids have been murdered 🤦🏾♀️
they really tried to fex her but they failed .. they removed maelor to make her look like a nice queen like she didn't order to bring him and led to his worst ending and when king aegon the elder won the confilct . he did not think of himself and kept her son alive ( daemon' s son ) to save the bloodline .. and they let us know that aegon ii had so many bastards and he cheat on his wife like rhaenyra didn't bring shame to the royal family by having bastards three times when she was married and after all of that she tried to let them be kings .. i mean i do not have a problem with rhaenyra in the throne .. i have a problem with bastards in the throne because we are talking about a bloody bloodline here .. if she didn't have true sons like aegon and viserys its okay if jace take it to safe the bloodline .. in the end rhaenyra will be never like daenerys ,, dany is a real queen and i really hope she takes her ancestor's throne .. rhaenyra is nothing but a claimant who aegon defeat her and won the conflict but lost the war .. long live king aegon the second of his name .his reign will be remembered as the king who successfully defended his father's throne
A memorable thing they removed from the tv series is in the books its Mysaria who finds and hires Blood and Cheese as well as being the one who gives the son for a son orders if they kept it in this would've gave soemething for Mysaria too do and a reason she becomes Rhaenyras right hand in likee a week if Rhaenyra actually was happy with the death but no it was Daemon everything bad the blacks do is on Daemon.
They try so hard to make her the Jesus of the show which clearly she is not, every character has flaws, for me she is the least interesting character in the show, she thinks she is the central figure of everything but really she's not, I mean in the entire war she and her dragon did nothing at all, For me in all the dance Deamon was the most interesting character, (evil and good) that for me more realistic in real life
Nice analysis. It feels like the show's creators are trying to atone for turning Daenerys into a crazy villain by making Rhaenyra more heroic and noble than she should be. Rhaenyra feels like an apology to the female fans who admired Dany. (I still think she's well written; they've not turned her into an infallible girlboss. But they have clearly made her the protagonist.)
I think she was changed, for better or worse is up to you, because audiences prefer someone who doesn't want to be king or queen or ruler on the path to leadership than someone who is ruthless and cutthroat or ambitious. Ambition is seen as negative ever since Slytheryn existed. And maybe before that. Look at what they did to Jon to make him "more appealing" he doesn't want to rule but he may have to. Isn't that "interesting" to see? But they stripped that dynamic from Stannis who in the books doesn't want to rule. But feels it is his duty. Yet in the show they make it feel like he wants to rule and he's suddenly an antagonist. They could have kept Jon's wanting to rule Winterfell or be king/warden of the north. And kept Stannis and his whole fulfilling his duty thing. And it would have been interesting. But they swapped them to make one the good guy and the other the bad guy. Just sad that Hollywood thinks you can't be good if you want power. You can want power for good reasons.
I completly agree with the Daenerys point which nobody ever mentions. However i dont think these writers are nearly inteligent or well read enough to like Daeneryses character. I think the only thing they care about is money and aside from the woke/diversity part of the show all they see are GoT revenues and want to get the same thing because 90% of the GoT fanbase's favorite character is Daenerys. They want to make Rheanyra as close to Daenerys as possible in order to try to replicate and recreate the "success" GoT had with Daenerys being the "main" character and the fan favorite.
It's so obvious that they're trying to replicate the success that Game of Thrones had with Daenerys by turning Rhaenyra into her. But that actually ruins the story because Rhaenyra is NOT Daenerys. Trying to turn her into Daenerys actually ruins so many plotlines because now the writers are confusing Rhaenyra's motivations and none of her actions make sense anymore. They should've listened to GRRM and kept the story as it was because Rhaenyra is a pretty compelling character in her own right.
There’s really no proof Rhaenyra ordered the hit on Jahaerys. Like daemon was at harrenhal when he put the hit out on the child. Rhaenyra was at dragonstone & there’s no record of her response if she did or even could have called it off
literally, during this entire stretch of the dance, rhaenyra is barely mentioned at all. she is described as being driven to madness with grief and unable to do literally anything.
Yeah things like rhaenyra developing a taste for laprey pie and saying things like "let us slake our tastes" (which implies her marriage with daemon was a rather open one.) Don't come out of nowhere. Having 5 kids would make her frumpy and this would be a case where she is what she looks like.
I do feel fire and blood was rather biased with how rhanerya is portrayed but I’m not sure if she was as cruel as she was described calling her the female maegor when maegor did a lot worse things and killing his own kin. She literally in the book didn’t want to harm any of her siblings accept her mother in law and Otto and the rest who supported Aegon. Her grief probably blinded her a lot of the time in the dance especially with how much she lost during that time
She said she will have her crown of she will have Aegon head like come on she was relived Aegon's sons died because she had no opposition for her sons she was not Maegor but she was still cruel and caused dead of a lot of characters
Okay I’m so sorry but if this is the case I wanna see you make a video essay on every other character because they do this..with everyone else as well. Same thing with game of thrones in my opinion 😭 they switch up and take out so many things.
While i do agree that the book is Maester biased and overall even in our history women in power very often have been portrait post mortem then they actually were the show really overdid it by swinging her fully into the girlboss corner. They should have kept her angry and bitter side for people disrespecting her beeing a women. Her beeing ruthless and scornfull could have also been spun that she feels like she has to do it because she is a woman and cant be seen as weak which then makes people see her as a hardcore tyrant with her overcompensating. I dont understand that most media the last 10 years has to remove any complexity from any character/ work to dump it down for americas woke audiances, its wierd.
this argument is so tired. this show is clearly building up to the description of the rhaenyra described in the books, as “maegor with teats.” the show tells a more nuanced understanding of her character and aims to tell the story of her transformation, what it must have taken this fairly level headed person to turn into the maniacal, ruthless tyrant of a ruler as she is described in the books. the bones have all been laid for this transformation in season 2. maybe you just weren’t paying attention. imo the story of her transformation is just so much more interesting than if she was just this erratic, power obsessed maniac as bad as maelor. /MAELOR/ off the bat. that sounds pretty one note to me. but that’s just my opinion. also i’m begging yall to stop the cersei / catelyn comparisons. there are other female archetypes.
Let's be frank here, the source is revelling in it's nihilistic edgelordery and quite frankly a tv show where everyone is a raging prick does not make for good tv. If they stuck to GRRMs drivel the whole thing would have flopped so hard because it is neither clever nor witty enough to pull of an ensemble of ani.
literally. the way the dance portrays the women’s roles is basically like, yeah so this dance was literally caused by a spat between these two evil nasty power hungry FEMALES who were willing to drive the realm into war and cause the destruction of the entire continent just to settle scores.
