How To Bust A Pileup With Only 100 Watts? Mailbag Monday #36

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@BLACKHEAT1028 11 месяцев назад

I have a Ameritron 606s from HRO and it works great. I use to run a Thunderbolt 305 in the 80's on cb. I don't know a lot about amps but here is what I learned. Before you say you want legal limit 1.5k is your shack set up to run that, some 1k amps require 220v outlet, the 606s runs on 110v, the 606s comes with switching power supply which is added cost. Do you want tube or solid state amp, tubes are more forgiving with swr a little high, solid state will shut down (which is a good thing so you don't burn anything out) which leads into now you have to get a tuner. Which type, auto or manual ALSO it has to be rated for the power of the amp so if you get 1.5k amp your tuner needs to be rated for 1.5k as well, AGAIN more $$$. So it's just not get an amp plug it in and on the air, just a few things to add into the whole amp equation. Those are things you don't figure into total cost. I run my rig at 50-65 watts and get up 300-400 watts.(don't want to push it to the max) Ameritron suggest no more then 100watts on your rig, Always get an amp larger then you want to run your wattage at, so if you want to run at 600 you need at min 800 or larger, Just my .2ct

@don_n5skt Год назад

Yes, Mercury IIIs. I believe Alek has had some issues with the Juma amplifier. But, Mercury IIIs, Expert, Flexradio and Elecraft are great solid state amplifiers. The 811H, 80B and other Ameritrons are good solid tube amps but do require you to tune them. The older ones I am not so familar with but Heathkit is also good if you can find a used one from someone you trust. Great advice on breaking pile ups and honestly, being on the receiving end of a pile up makes you as much of an expert as any of us working pile ups. The only thing you missed there is getting a female to call for you. Wife, sister, girlfriend, mother, hell, even your mother in law, if it is female voice, you have just added 3db 🤣

@hamradiotube Год назад

Not gonna lie, that looks like a hell of an amp. Another suggested getting a kid or YL to call as well. I thought that was a great idea. Nothing like a little child labor to get you some contacts lol!

@fyrearm Год назад

Good advice on the pileups Mike. I generally just run the G90 at 20 watts, eventually I get through the pileup. I'll try for a few minutes, then move on but come back. Doesn't seem to slow me down. If you're at another park and hunting throw out the park to park, you will generally get the call if the receiver hears that.

@dougdaniels Год назад

I've contested for a long time, and been on both sides of a pileup. The most important thing to me is be polite. Send your call as you normally would. If I hear someone yelling, barging in, stringing out his call, repeating the call or only using the suffix I will absolutely ignore them until the end. I ran a POTA pileup this weekend and a couple times took a weaker signal because they were just calling "normally".

@johnkaelberer237 Год назад

Good Mailbag ! Pile ups: Sometimes it's best to wait until things die down a little. The big guns are usually in there from the start. Once they thin out, it can be easier. If it's a DXpedition, many times a schedule is posted, the second or third day can be easier. Wait till the later or off hours. Find a band that works well for you (probagation taken into account) that is not 20, 40 or 80 meters if they are operating on multiple bands. As Mike said, timing is everything. Adjust your radio for more punch. Maybe a little more compression. Hook up three HF rigs to transmit at the same time through one antenna and call till your power supply smokes....not....lol.

@hamradiotube Год назад

That's good advise too. Thanks for chiming in. Very true. Once those DX stations are spotted, the bigger stations are all over them like white on rice. I'll have to try TX'ing with multiple radios into one antenna lol!

@wb2dx717 Год назад

lmao i can see some lid trying that

@larryqueipo9741 Год назад

I agree with knowing the call before trying to bust a pileup, but all too often the station doesn't give it's call very often; it just calls out QRZ. This can be very frustrating when you're trying to do things the right way. W2GJF

@kennethblackwell1137 Год назад

Nicely done, especially the pileups.

@VAAv8or Год назад

Mike - Thanks so much for the answer on the ATAS + Tuner combo! Going to add a simple on/off switch for the tuner into my box design, way easier and lighter than adding more cables or a coax switch.

@thed8229 Год назад

PILEUPS: Spot on about listening / learning the cadence & timing. When battling with the big boys I always call towards the end, sometimes repeating my last three. Good advice given Mike. 👍 K0ATV

@hamradiotube Год назад

Thanks for sharing!!

@K6ARK Год назад

Pileup Buster for CW: tune slightly off frequency (+/-10 Hz or so) to shift your tone slightly higher or lower. You'll stand out from the rest of the pile of stations zero-beating the station calling.

@brianoneill462 Год назад

Great video Mike, great tips on the pileup busting. I have used all those techniques from the qrp tip to using different phonetics to stand out. Keep up the great work Mike. Hope to catch you down the log and hunt you in a park, working on my 400th park hunted. 73 from Brian W8AIT (Whiskey 8 Always In Trouble)

@DominicMazoch Год назад

Winter FD this year has a 100w power limit! Now op skill and antennae come into play!

@hamradiotube Год назад

I wish all field days were like that. I guess if you had a generator or something to power your amps that would be one thing, but these guys sitting at home pushing legal limit completely defeats the purpose in my opinion.

@DominicMazoch Год назад

@@hamradiotube There should be for events an under 100w or even QRP set of freqs. Like the Novice sub bands on 10m

@gogeorge7 Год назад

Great video, 73

@hamradiotube Год назад

Many thanks!

@RESlusher Год назад

Another good trick to bust through a pile-up is to have a young kid or an XYL/YL throw your call out there. We get so used to hearing male names that something different coming through like a female voice or that of a young kid, can sometimes make the difference.

@hamradiotube Год назад

Oh yeah, child labor, I didn't even think about that lol! Or a YL. Both great ideas.

@sockeatinggolden8316 Год назад

This is CHEATING! The best type of cheating and I do it all the time.

@hamradiotube Год назад

@@sockeatinggolden8316 Hahaha!

@RESlusher Год назад

@@hamradiotube Yeah, my nephew already knew his phonetics from playing Call of Duty so I'd have him throw my call out there a few times. He graduates from Jarhead boot camp this Saturday (12/2).

@hamradiotube Год назад

@@RESlusher very cool!

@tonysdroid Год назад

Great tips, Mike! Sorry I'm late to the party. As a person that often struggles with breaking the pileup, the advice to listen and figure out how it's run is definitely the right first step. Next advice you gave, that made the most sense to me, is to try different stuff! Here's my personal gem - If I've been at it for a few minutes, one of my secrets is to wait just two seconds after QRZ (not much more, or you risk being "that guy") then kind of slowly/deliberately do the prefix, but REALLY focus on the suffix, like, really annunciate and slow that part down a bit more - maybe with a tiny bit of 'flare' on the last of the suffix. That often gets me the "station ending lima tango" You'll know when you unkey if you need to try it again, but I usually never have to do that one more than two or three times. Anyway, hope that made sense. Sixty percent of the time, it works every time!

@MrJimmy440 Год назад

I waited to be the last station throwing my call sign out after a mother of all pileups and a station in Saudi Arabia picked me out ! LOL Then after the QSO was completed , I realized I was only running 50 watts against the heavy hitters !!

@tcogm Год назад

What works for me in a pileup: Mic gain to 70-ish, compression on, cup my hand over the mic, say my call once nice and slow. Sometimes it works and sometimes there’s a guy who’s 40 over and you’re just gonna have to hope the calling station picks him to get him out of your way. I’ll also jot down the call and frequency, tune around and find other contacts for a few and then come back to them. Persistence doesn’t mean you have to drop your call every time. The QRP tip is GOLD. I do that a lot for POTA.

@KN4RAY Год назад

I picked up a used AL-811 from Huntsville Hamfest. I don’t run it that often, but it is nice to be able to run 500 watts once in a while. It runs off a regular house plug so no need for 220 power.

@hamradiotube Год назад

That's awesome. Maybe one day I'll join the big boys but honestly, I've not really felt a desire or need for an amp. Could just be that I don't know what I'm missing.

@Mike-yq7ce Год назад

Listen Listen Listen. Having patience is a plus. Usually the right window will appear to get through. If the pile up is huge Ill continue to scan and return in 5 to 10 min. I do agree use proper etiquitte. I often hear stations throwing out their call sign before the target contact has finished their current QSO.

@wb2dx717 Год назад

i find being a tail end charley works quite well, it puts call-in mind as being last Hurd and the receiving op tends to remember it easier than being the first one when trying to remember a call to answer

@hamradiotube Год назад

It's a good technique. As an activator, I don't usually wait till the end, but if the pileup is that thick, sometimes you just can't pull one out and you sneaky tail enders get the contact!

@weldonkube9387 Год назад

First time I talked to you was as pile up. You called for QRP turned down power and got right through. Great idea that I have used many times K5UBE

@hamradiotube Год назад

Haha, awesome!

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

FWIW, I've been a ham for 42 years and have probably heard every possible way to bust a pile up. First is brute force. Nothing like a "California Kilowatt" and ginormous antennas to get the job done! This is the "life is too short for QRP" crowd. Then, there are the QRP ops. Many DX ops will work them *if they hear them*. Here, being a "tailender" and throwing out "QRP" often results in the DX asking "Who's the QRP?" Waiting until the pile dies down works, as long as you don't run out of propagation. This is more common on 10 and 6 meters. Wait too long, and there goes the ionosphere! The October openings on 10 meters were fantastic and a hint of what's to come. The best DX was from Pittsburgh to Cape Town, on 10 meters, using a Siltronix 1011D that was saved from the trash and a Super Magnum CB vertical. I just waited until the herd was done and got through even though it was 2 hours after his sunset.

@hamradiotube Год назад

I personally like the brute force method myself.

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

@@hamradiotube There is one other way, being obnoxious. A local SK used to hammer his way in until the DX gave up and acknowledged him. He would throw his call out regardless of who the DX was trying to work. Like this: "Looking for 6 and 7 calls only!" "Whiskey Three Bravo Whiskey Uniform" "Looking for 6 and 7 ONLY! Bravo Whiskey Uniform stand by!" "Whiskey Three Bravo Whiskey Uniform. You're 59! 73s." It worked for him...

@hamradiotube Год назад

@@spaceflight1019 I would prob come back to that guy and tell him I'm not logging him because he's being rude. I can't stand people who don't have any decency. They're just being selfish and I will not reward that.

@spaceflight1019 Год назад

@@hamradiotube True that. When we cleaned out Ed's basement after he died he had pretty much every DX award on the planet, including many from foreign countries. Ed never got above Technician and spent most of his years chasing DX above 50 MHz. He was a big AMSAT booster. After Novice Enhancement, he made the most out of the lone solar cycle before he died. There was another guy, WA3Giant Purple Rabbit. He chased DX until his marriage came apart. But, he usually got through on one call.

@RMJ01 Год назад

Persistence and proper etiquette. Personally I think the use of an amp is the result of too many people with amps. I've confirmed 125 unique DX entities on SSB using 100 Watts or less on g5rv Jr or random wire antenna. I'm in Minnesota so maybe that helps? Wait until the pileup dies down or catch it before it's hot. Best of luck 73

@christophersmith1155 Год назад

more important than a amp is a good antenna ie: 1/2 to 5/8 wave. then height. HEIGHT IS MIGHT.

@adyg6ad73 Год назад

Re: Amplifiers, only buy one if you have done everything you can to improve your antenna / feeder systems first. Then buy an Acom 1000 !

@DominicMazoch Год назад

Sometimes I will call into nets on QRP times. Usually on nets if I need to be in or out. Or I test my system in case in the future I have to be on QRP. I had to during the Ice Storm URI power failure.

@jameski5oeb668 Год назад

MailBag Monday Question for next week: IC-705 or G90 or FT-818 or FT-891 or IC-7300 New General, first portable radio for camping? Literally asking for a friend who got general this summer the same day as me, but hasn't been active since the mid 2000's. We are working on an EFHW for him, just need to tune it; and, over Black Friday scored TWO DX Commanders. Antennas wont be an issue... Another Great Video! Thanks for the mentoring.

@W8MJL Год назад

Hey Mike, one thing I do to help bust pile-ups is to use my recorder feature on the 891. On the last memory I have a recording of me throwing out my callsign, that way I don't burn out my voice just keep hitting a button. All the others are local POTA parks we hit up the most. 73 de W8MJL

@stevegriffin9552 Год назад

It evening like that was a good one Mail bag. Monday lotta great questions and some awesome answers. Thank you for sharing the video. Listen for you for next Monday. WD5ENH Steve

@edppdsc 22 дня назад

Cool video

@TrentWilbanks Год назад

When working a pileup I’ll alternate through all the different techniques you mentioned. But bottom line is persistence. I have sat on a single pileup for over half an hour before finally getting through. 😮

@RFPews Год назад

Nothing worse as an activator with a pile up then some of the rude operators coming in there. I think persistence is key. Sometimes even with an amp it takes persistence. Repeating the call over and over is annoying and I ignore those guys most of the time. Waiting for any opening can get out of control, so can waiting until the end. Some wait so long they end up doubling with the DX/Activator. I just stick with it until I get heard or move on and come back when it calms down.

@Davidjb37721 Год назад

Thanks

@hamradiotube Год назад

Welcome

@KT4RAM Год назад

Busting pileups with 100w. I mostly use my Yaesu FTdx10 so your settings may be listed differently. First I change my TX BPF SEL to either 300-2700Hz or 400-2600 with Processor On but don't overdo it to the level it distorts you. Most of my early dx contacts were using 100w on a 991A and my homebrew fan dipole. Today I do have an Ameritron ALS-600 and I only run about 400w of the rated 600w + that is capable of. My logbooks on QRZ, LoTW will show you that you do not need a lot of power to do DX. All of my contacts are SSB as I don't currently run digital. I love my Heil PR-781 too much! Remember "ANTENNA ANTENNA ANTENNA" is primarily your most important link in the system. 73's KT4RAM

@ac1o Год назад

When I’m trying to get through a dx pileup I usually set my TX to 2900 or 2800 kHz. Works most of the time but not always

@wildbill1 Год назад

DX pile ups and 100 watts….Before I got my amp and I only had 100 watts, I make sure my transmit bandwidth was either in the mid or sometimes even narrow position and I always crank up my compression to give me more punch. And like you said Mike listen, listen, listen. Is the DX taking the first caller, the loudest caller, or the guy that tags along at the end. You can usually establish some type of cadence after listening for a while. I do like your suggestion for if they call QRP only. Great sneaky idea.😂 Since then I have bought an amplifier from Acom and it has helped out tremendously along with an End fed half wave up at 50 feet. Just my .02 cents 73

@hamradiotube Год назад

Good call, didn't even think about the TX Bandwidth.

@thesaltyham7144 Год назад

Can you use the ATAS on an ICOM IC-7100?

@1958johndeere620 Год назад

If your power supply gets hot enough to cook eggs, you are drawing to much. Most power supplies are listed with peak draw, and constant draw. You take an Astron 35 amp linear, its only rated for 25 continuous and 35 intermittent.

@DominicMazoch Год назад

Some use splits on HF. Listen to the station.

@DominicMazoch Год назад

Maybe the DC in the coax is messing up the MFJ tuner with the Yeasu ATAS?

@hamradiotube Год назад

I don't think it's the DC, I think it's the fact that the radio settings are set to use a tuner. Although the ATAS settings are different than an external tuner, it's prob still sending the same type of signal. Purely a guess though. Either way, just keep it off the using the ATAS and he can do exactly what he was wanting to do.

@jhorton1600 Год назад

Tune 1 or 2 kc's above or below frequency to make your voice sound different from the pile.

@1958johndeere620 Год назад

Phonetics ,,,, I grew up with a police chief as a dad, so I learned the US standard phonetics. It was hard to transition to the standard worldwide. I mix and match some. Will use KING instead of KILO, and GEORGE instead of GOLF.

@DominicMazoch Год назад

Busting a pile up? Not a good idea for an accident on a Houston freeway.

@hamradiotube Год назад

Lol! Fortunately I rarely have to deal with that.