How To Counter A Flanker Two-Circle Vs One-Circle | WarThunder 

Personally, I prefer the round edge cuboid cuthrough fork to catch any circle players off guard yk. Works every time

​@@SoggyKatnip you mean where you are passed out most of the time?

@@zawadlttv Passing out? Nah I'm too epic for that 😎

@@SoggyKatnip well on the straight parts you are passed out and on the curved ones not until you pass out again to fly straight

@@zawadlttv 😂😂 I have been found out

Where would those right places be? Just after merge or somewhere halfway through?

Yup this is something I missed to mention. Thank you for pointing this out, I forgot about this.

​@Hzies I don't play warthunder but it still stands. It depends on how the fight is playing out. A pitch back into a slice at the merge can tighten your radius faster than just going 2 circle in the horizontal plane. Watch the bandit and make your call depending on your energy state and their aspect/energy state.

@@Thorn19774 thanks this is good to know and pretty well timed as I just got the f5e I hope I will be able to apply this. :)

Doesn't work bc you don't have enough speed on keyboard/mouse bc you can't rate at the right speed

Yeah a lot of people don't notice this.

the thrust reduces actual aoaa by chaaging the direction of movement

I've flown F18A/B/C's along with 3 NATO transfers on F16s, M2000s and Tornadoes. Yes there is planes with super AoA. Flankers are 1. The simple over ride of the FCS in a F18 will get you unlimited AoA. The Finnish Air Force recently added new FCS Software in their F18C's that has UNLIMITED AoA, you do not need to slap the FCS stick or over ride. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VLnB1DcB9u0.html This is what Full time Unlimited AoA looks like in a F18C.

we will see better munueverability on f22. beyond that though

@@moustrout1299 f22 isn't the most maneuverable modern jet tho it's still a compromise between stealth and flight performance

There are still way more maneuverable aircraft to come. Aircraft with thrust vectoring, loads of thrust, canards etc. F-22, Su-35, Su-57, Rafale, Typhoon, and probably some prototypes I can't remember right now.

@@abbc5156 stealth is simply the concept of reducing the cross sectional area from as much as possible from specific angles, f22 is easily detectable if it faces its belly or its top to its target. however nothing in the design of stealth says you must sacrifice flight preformance, the thing can pull a nasty turn without use of its thrust vectoring, the f35 is the aircraft that was not designed with supermanueverability in mind. rather around the technology and equipment behind its stealth.

Eurofighter will be on par with the F-22 except for a stall fight where it doesn't have thrust vectoring, it will be better than anything currently in game

Thank you so much!!!

a 2 circle is a rate fight.....

Gripen literally got nerfed HARD today, so I’m not surprised. Now taking more fuel is literally a death sentence in the Gripen, I take 20 minutes now because it’s literally too heavy with any more fuel

I've found that the f-15 pulls a lot while speedbraking and with the flaps down. He might've done that like that.

Was this on Afghanistan?

@@Donut833 No, it was our beloved Vietnam

Id imagine they rate evenly, me and my freind did many 1v1s with realistic loadouts and fuel (how ever much fuel you typically have by the time you encounter someone and your missile loadout you typically take) and the gripen on 20 minutes with max missiles slightly out rates the f16j with max missiles and 20 minutes and since the f16a turns a bit better than the j id think the gripen and f16a in a realistic encounter would have the same 2 circle rate effectiveness

I don't even... Sigh. I don't think the f-15 is overperforming, I think the su-27 is sliiightly underperforming. Its low speed manoeuvrability should be a bit better, but both planes are in good places. And the f-15 has insane twr. While the su-27 has 1.09 twr irl, the f-15 has 1.17. It makes sense that it retains energy better, right? And energy and a good sustained turn rate are what the eagle is good at right? So there you go.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@snowi9585you forget an “airframe” thing, f-15 has wings that was designed to give it a lot of lift and less drag in straight flight to be able to get high altitude and speed as fast as possible and at the same time to be able to carry a lot of different munitions, but this type of wings produces much more drag in high AoA pulls than su-27/30/35/etc and late migs wings so if combine that with its higher TWR you’ll get that f-15 is losing speed in “high” AoA turns 10-15% faster than su-27, if it had the same TWR it would lose 17-22% more speed than su-27.

The F-15 is just fine, but the SU-27 isn’t good enough, it is an enormous and heavy aircraft though.

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Okay then, if we'te gonna do it like that, then I can complain that the f-15 doesn't have amraams so it can't compete as a missile bus, even though it was designed with both bvr and bfm in mind (the whole foxbat story), so ok, nerf the f-15, but I want my amraams, otherwise it's a fat piece of garbage. If it can't do the one thing it's supposed to do well, which is 2 circle and rate, then it can't do shit.

@@snowi9585 well it outrates both su-27 and mig-29 rn, it can’t and couldn’t outrate f-16 or something like that, f-15a had no amraams btw it came almost 20 years earlier than even an A variant of amraam was developed, but yeah, now it’s an American 29SMT but with much better FM and slightly worse armament(but that’s subjective, I personally prefer 9M over r-73, especially in SB, both 7Ms and 27R/ERs are pretty much useless in the current meta with 100m “safe” altitude instead of 10-20 how it is irl so both are just extra weight) But still, correct me if I’m wrong but fox-3s are gonna be added next month and 120A has less range than 7M and still will have “ground clutter” effect so it probably will be as “useful” as SARHMs rn as well as r-77 and other stuff if snails won’t change this safe altitude to like it is irl And f-15 doesn’t need a nerf, I didn’t write a single word about that, I wrote that f-15 was not supposed to be the topdog due to its airframe, it literally was developed to be a missile bus that can push an enemies and never allow em to get close enough to get a dogfight, but if that happened then it could do something so it is similar to mig-31 but mig-31 can’t turn at all while f-15 can outrate some planes, but can’t win 1C fight against em, and basically a lot of fighters can win both 2C and 1C fight against f-15

Su-27 has better sustain turn rate and instantaneous turn rate and nose pointing compared to F-15. But F-15 has much better acceleration and can reach higher top speed while loaded

Generally the su-27 has incredible turning, but that comes with incredible speed bleeding as well.

su27 flight mode kinda sucks in game

Motto of the su 27 is "one turn, one shot, one kill." The F-15 is "kill the fucker before he can see me with his own two eyes"

​​@@flyingcactus1953source on sustained turn rate?

Preflaring. R-73s usually track if the plane isn't constantly flaring. But if the missile is shot while the target is flaring then it can miss.

​@@snowi9585 there was no preflaring and i was radar slaving my r73. he flared it like those were r60s. it was a 1 circle fight

If you both slow down but flanker still has the edge. This is if guns only though btw

Sort of. In very controlled circumstances, the Griphen is the best. However in RB, 1v1 dogfights virtually never happen. How it usually goes is everyone opens up with their Fox 1 at long range first, then they merge and create a furball that usually last a minute or two max, then the team who wins creates a murder ball and just dogpiles the last few remaining players. This is where the Griphen basically falls flat and breaks both it legs, as it has no real long range weapon outside the Skyflash, which is good... at 11.3. It gets out classed and out ranges by everyone else. So you can't help thin out the herd at the opening volley and in the furball, you're gonna be targeted by multiple targets alot, which will catch you unless you're in the winning side of the furball.

and its billion cm

@@HawkTheRed the second part of your paragraph is kind of moot, because the gripen is VERY good in gettung targeted by many at the same time, as it holds its speed very well while also turning very well. Moreover your tiny engine and 620 countermeasures lets you flare any missile even rear aspect (except those god forsaken aam3s) so no ir missiles can touch you. Also 6 aim9ms is nothing to scoff at, if fired from rear aspect unless its a gripen then its almost a guaranteed kill because of its irrcm and smokeless motor.

@@EggSaladSammich It's good at surviving, but it's not good at shooting back or getting out, and surviving doesn't really mean anything when 3/4 of the team is already dead and the rest decided they wanted to bomb bases. The 9Ms are good, but they're flarable, can be dodged by people who know they're coming, and they're short range weapons. This doesn't even count of the fact that by the time you lined up on one, 2 more are already on you and you got to dodge them too. Unless you're a AWACs or they're hilariously incompetent, one of them will get you no matter how fancy your turn or how many flares you got.

What do you mean by this?

Definitely not, while yes the opening is a lot of missile spam, once you get to the mid and end of match you’ll find lots of opportunities to dog fight. I just posted a 1V5 or 6 dogfight on my channel in the MIG23.

Yep, good AOA. One circle.

if wasn't nerf to the groud sure. Bute not in it's current state.

lmfao heck no

@jonathanoriley8260 heck yeah it doesn't fly like it should

@@Migthunder Oh? And pray tell how do you know, Mr Armchair Pilot? By most sources I've seen, it's appears fairly accurate with Sim controls (which is what matters, not mouse controls).

​@jonathanoriley8260 he s right ,it doesn't pull the aoa it should

@jonathanoriley8260 because in dcs you can pull so much more away. And retain energy a lot better. Dcs has much more accurate flight models than warthunder.