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The Atheist Experience 27.02 for January 15, 2023 with Jmike and MD Aware
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@seanjones2456 Год назад

It was nice of Nicol to visit us during his time travel from the 1800s. He must really be amazed by cell phones and ipads?

@MizzouRah78 Год назад

I don't often chuckle out loud. Thank you.

@revwillyg6450 Год назад

His last tablet was in Sanskrit

@fitgiddlin21 Год назад

Well he is from Armenia they aren't quite as liberal as America where women are a bit more free to do as they please

@FourDeuce01 Год назад

Looks like he’s still confused. y that newfangled thing called logic.🤤

@alamunez Год назад

The most impressive aspect of this call is that Nicol managed to find a working phone in the Middle Ages, where he lives.

@FourDeuce01 Год назад

It’s a shame he couldn’t find a working brain.😜

@darkstar4494 Год назад

You don’t need a leader when there’s only 2 adults. Each person will naturally take primary ownership of their niche in a relationship. The problem is when you disagree. Giving override power to one person isn’t going to fix the disagreement.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад

All it does is makes one of the two into a lesser person.

@gatfatf Год назад

100% satisfaction record only after you throw out the suggestion box isn't the accomplishment Nicol seems to think it is.

@dx1450 Год назад

Yes, "I have a penis, I make the rules" doesn't really work in a stable relationship.

@randolphphillips3104 Год назад

It is a partnership. My wife and I do not always agree, but we have each other's back. From minor stuff like child discipline to more major things like relationships with toxic family members, we stood together and worked things out between ourselves. Works the other way, too. When parents and friends passed or bad things happened, we were each other's shoulder to cry on (and if needed another to help work things out). Realistically, after being together for a long time, our inside joke that we shared a brain cell became how others refered to our relationship, because we already knew what the other's goal is. We make each other better people. I try to imagine carrying both lives on my back, with her as another possession instead of sharing the load, and it seems like way more work than reward to both of us.

@jamielee7404 Год назад

It's really sad that a person can't imagine loving and respecting a partner who's your equal. That the only "relationship" he understands is the one that's based not on love but on ownership

@randolphphillips3104 Год назад

I am an atheist, and my wife and I have been married 34 years. I am definitely the king of my castle (and I have my wife's permission to say so) 😁. This is misogyny as religious doctrine. Biblical marriage is basically "however many wives (and concubines and other slaves) you can afford". Men traditionally made decisions because the women were property.

@inyobill Год назад

I would add a bit: "however many wives ... you can afford or kidnap".

@mericanignoranc3551 Год назад

In my house no one is more important than anyone else and no one calls themselves "king" because that's insecure and childish .

@valivali8104 Год назад

@kildigdotcom4599 hey lill' incel 👋 that was joke! 🙄

@NWHSBL Год назад

@kildigdotcom4599 can't you tell a joke when you see it..?

@randolphphillips3104 Год назад

@@inyobill point taken, though I was thinking maintenance, not acquisition.

@jolene6911 Год назад

My spidey senses are telling me that this caller might be an abusive husband. His views are beyond toxic! What a disgusting individual!!

@valivali8104 Год назад

I hope he isn’t married or in relationship, that he's lying to sound more believable - after all, theists tend to have no problems with bullshit and lies...

@Aencii Год назад

I struggle to understand why so many commenters are ignoring the fact that his views are cultural. They are deeply bigoted and ignorant, but they come from the fact that Christianity is the state religion in his country.

@deniss2623 Год назад

I would not like to be married to a spider-woman.

@deniss2623 Год назад

@@sammur1977 Well explained, Sammu.

@grantm6514 Год назад

Sounds like the new bride he picked up in the West just won't submit to his authority like the bible says she's supposed to.

@jonnythelegs2597 Год назад

I get the feeling Nicol hasn't met many women other than his mum.

@orsonzedd Год назад

I don't think he knows any women and I mean that biblically

@countroshculla Год назад

And even she is having second thoughts.

@valivali8104 Год назад

@@orsonzedd that’s better than women being manipulated or forced... 😰

@egalitarius8582 Год назад

Just like a Niceguy

@orsonzedd Год назад

@@valivali8104 truuu.

@Lupinemancer87 Год назад

It's really funny when a theist is confused about how Atheists do certain things because they are convinced it's a religion, so they can't comprehend how it's possible.

@wunnell Год назад

Quite so. It should be really simple. If you're religious, just ask yourself how you would do things if you disregarded your religious rules and that's how atheists do things.

@easypimpin123 Год назад

This call is an example of how to say you're a virgin without saying "I'm a virgin."

@MizumD Год назад

Let’s hope he stays one.

@grantm6514 Год назад

I think he's an example of how to say "Turns out it's harder to mold an American girl into an obedient orthodox christian wife than I thought it would be. She's even questioning my decision to move her to Armenia - can you believe that!!??"

@RichardThomas-vu1bf Год назад

Indeed.

@anserbauer309 Год назад

Surprise, surprise.... a religious man who doesn't think he should have to learn to compromise, negotiate or defer to a more developed skill set where appropriate.

@bunji_beans Год назад

The thought that this caller might have a wife and kids scares tf out of me

@meloveAi Год назад

Unlikely. I highly doubt anyone would find them attractive after hearing his biblical marriage stuff.

@inyobill Год назад

@@meloveAi There are a lot of brain-washed individuals. I worked with women who didn't seem to understand that they performed _at least_ on par with their male counterparts, therefore equal pay is their right.

@meloveAi Год назад

@@inyobill That's just sad.

@inyobill Год назад

@@meloveAi Right?

@grantwing4942 Год назад

Armenia culture is different than USA. His views on marriage are likely the norm there.

@robertblackwell1350 Год назад

These people are hilarious. They tend to assume that someone is control, usually the man, but then you hear “if she isn’t happy, no one is happy” from the same people. I’m married, my wife and I make our own decisions, and the head of my household seems to be our 2 year old.

@meltorme-ntor2933 Год назад

Dear Nicol, societies need leaders, relationships don't. 🙄

@ffsno9078 Год назад

Elected leaders are, of course the best. Go democracy!

@bunji_beans Год назад

Even most countries don't have just one decision maker and we tend to not consider the ones that attempt it to be admirable

@ffsno9078 Год назад

@@bunji_beans exactly!

@dani.lepore9410 Год назад

Direct democracy: let me introduce muself

@ZimtPorridge Год назад

"It works!" Meaning that it results in lesser breakups. But the people in these relationships are miserable and spend their lives unhappy. Also, there are so many cases where religious people killed their spouses because divorce would somehow be worse for them in the community.

@stultusvenator3233 Год назад

Evangelicals have higher Divorce Rate than Atheists. States like Alabama, Texas and Tennessee, where family-friendly, evangelical Christianity is the dominant faith, have some of the highest divorce rates in the nation.

@valivali8104 Год назад

@@stultusvenator3233 that’s what they get with spewing lies like "you can have (good in enjoyable and/or non-sinful way) sex only in marriage" and "every marriage can work if you have faith in (their) god"... When people marry each other too young only to have "good" sex, and have bad relationship advices, there is high chance that they don’t fit together, grow away from each other, etc.

@EllaEllaEh Год назад

All you have to do is look at same sex marriages. My fiancé and I are both women. She has her strengths and I have mine. It has nothing to do with our gender. For instance, she was a vet tech for 14 years. We have 4 pets. If something happens to one of them, I defer to her knowledge. I’m better at finances and saving, so she looks to me help make big financial decisions. It’s all a give and take. Nothing to do with gender whatsoever.

@inyobill Год назад

Eggs-actly! THis is not a religious dialogue, this is about equal rights for me (interesting typo. for "me", read "my") gay/lesbian/bi/ ... family and friends. You should be getting the same benefits of your tax dollars and freedoms promised that I enjoy. Not just words, I vote and act toward this ideal.

@shanewilson7994 Год назад

Exactly, people are individuals and have strong and weak points.

@inyobill Год назад

@@shanewilson7994 Smart people working in concert work off of each other's strengths.

@PGGreatOak Год назад

I like this. I have an aunt who was in a same-sex relationship but ended a few years back, but they still live together and still help each other.

@bortiz11 Год назад

I am an atheist married to a christian. she wants me to make certain decisions, and giving her the choice is sometimes weird to her. It drives me nuts. I want her to be more free and independent; religion makes her be more submissive and dependent. that is not the person I married.

@jhill4874 Год назад

We went to the wedding of my mother-in-law's boyfriend (she passed a while before). He married a good Christian woman. Her minister said she had to obey and he had to lead. It was horrifying. This dude, Nicol, is scary and horribly misinformed.

@dx1450 Год назад

My marriage with my wife is a partnership. Neither one of us is more important in the marriage than the other, and we make important decisions together. Or at least that's what she tells me. :)

@gloriaf6971 Год назад

Why would anyone need a religion to know how to have a relationship or marriage? Two people can decide how they want their relationship to go. No imaginary man in the sky is needed.

@inyobill Год назад

Brainwashing

@swiftly2322 Год назад

Had a freind in LDS whose mother was being abused daily by her father. She took the situation to the church and they not only refused to separate the marriage they also informed the husband she had requested a divorce. He murdered her less then a year after that. Religion in general considers the mere concept of a family to be more important then the actual members of the family, except for the patriarch whose quality of life is the sole metric of success of the family.

@sypherthe297th2 Год назад

It would never happen if it occurred in Utah because it is a theocracy controlled by the Mormons but the church officials should have been charged as accessories to the murder. When a church wields its authority in such a fashion they need to be held accountable for the repercussions. The Mormons and the Catholics need to be brought down down as they are authoritarian hierarchies trying to impose their religion on the populace. Forceful repression of dissent is key to their faith At least the other Christians are disorganized outside of very general, broad issues.

@PGGreatOak Год назад

Holy moly...is there a news clipping of this?

@TheTruthKiwi 10 месяцев назад

Damn, that's one of the terrors of religion right there.

@dr.leeaberle3606 Год назад

Like many Christians and other religionists, I essentially bought my wife, engaged in gaslighting and threats and then considered it a good marriage. Because me/ gahd said so. Ain’t no partnership. It’s ownership. Cough. Cough.

@meltorme-ntor2933 Год назад

🤣🤣🤣

@duncanbryson1167 Год назад

You joke but in law this was the case, a wife was the husband's property.

@inyobill Год назад

@@duncanbryson1167 Well, tyhere are jokes, and then there are "jokes". I am fairly sure that @Dr. Lee Aberle understood your point. In your defense, it doesn't hurt to be explicit and clarify.

@shanewilson7994 Год назад

When he said that "well she wasn't responsible if she knew she might chant her mind in the future." He really doesn't understand that people grow and change over time. People do change, their desires do change, that's normal, its called growth.

@LOwens-xf8yo Год назад

I can’t imagine being either head of household or obedient submissive. It’s never a good idea for one person to make decisions for another person. Humans are notoriously bad at making decisions for each other. Even with the best of intentions; which are demonstrably hard to maintain when given power over other people.

@inyobill Год назад

Hm, something about not treating others the way you don't wish to be? Hmmmm ...

@LOwens-xf8yo Год назад

@@inyobill That, and the part about people being negatively changed by having power over others. Ever heard of the Standford prison experiment? It’s scary what a little power can do!

@inyobill Год назад

@@LOwens-xf8yo I first learned about that experiment about 55 years ago in university. One class lesson I never forgot.

@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Год назад

Nicol my husband and I have been together for 17 years and married for thirteen of those and we operate exactly the same as MD. Yes it absolutely works you don't have to treat women as lesser individuals. Yes women actually do know how to lead just fine. Men and women are equal individuals

@laurajarrell6187 Год назад

Lol, Nicol doesn't seem to know or care that religious marriage really only works for men. Some cultures were very matriarchal and were very successful. You guys handled him great. 👍🏻💙💖🥰✌

@lulolie Год назад

He definitely knows it only works for men, he just thinks that's a good thing because he thinks sexism is necessary for societal function or some bs

@lulolie Год назад

@@servoaugusta513 exactly

@seanh4841 Год назад

Look if all and sundry want to get married like straight folk and be miserable, I say let them, marriage is an unnatural state of affairs.

@laurajarrell6187 Год назад

@@seanh4841 It was really designed to unite families, and wealth as allies, and so men would know, or at least hope to know, who their children are. That is, I assume, what brought 'purity' to the need. In cultures where children were prized and raised by all, taught by all, (like ancient Hawaii, etc.) virginity wasn't prized, was almost disdained. They preferred knowledgeable partners as they considered sex, fun! A more healthy, natural attitude. Before religion (missionaries) brought shame into it. I'm sure they had jealousy, it's natural, after all, but not shame in sex. Norse culture was similar, so was Celtic. So I agree. General monogamy is not truly natural to our species, it only became so when women and children became property, and wedlock to gain property and allies. 💖🥰✌

@Dsullivann Год назад

Lol Christian marriage sounds great if you're a chauvinistic asshole like Nicol 😂👍

@drewdrewski6278 Год назад

When he says “it works” - he means it works him, and to hell with anyone else!

@bellringer9975 Год назад

Let’s not forget that the only marriage contract that matters in any form is the legal one made at the court house . All of the others are theater , many being totally silly from dances to breaking glasses to reciting poetry or singing stupid songs according to one’s cult .

@ashwayn Год назад

In Scotland its law now for Pagans marriage? Hand fasting can be conducted in a neolithic stone circle and papers signed there,

@scottblack7182 Год назад

That would make sense but a marriage ceremony is not the same as the marriage papers. They can be signed during before or after the ceremony so Im not exactly sure what your trying to say. Where I live your legally married if you have lived under the same roof together for more than 7 years. I was married under the laws law without even realizing it 😂. So in some cases even paperwork or a trip to the court house is not necessary.

@scottblack7182 Год назад

Note: If I was married pagan style in the Amazon within an Amazonian tribe and lived my life out there with no government to oversee us am I still not married? Only in the western world is marriage only on paper. Be careful using blanket statements about humanity as a whole.

@scottblack7182 Год назад

2nd Note: Slaves would perform the pagan "jumping of the broom" ceremony wedding because they could not LEGALLY marry at the time. Marriage papers are nothing more than a way to control people and manipulate their finances. Anybody who says marriage can only be on paper probably should never get married. Food for thought.

@Nocturnalux Год назад

This guy is genuinely terrifying. The example he gave, with the wife being in another country, is so weirdly specific, too. He seems to have missed the point that uprooting your whole life is not something you do because your husband says so. This means losing daily interaction with friends and family- at least in person- having to find a new job (more often than not) in an environment where even if the language is the same, the culture will not be quite the same. Let’s say the husband decides to move his family, including wife and daughters, to Saudi Arabi. The wife has every right not to go along with this, as it means living in a dangerous environment, which is bad, and raising daughters in it, which may be even worse. He seems to think that if you have children, you should just outsource your decision making to the husband. Terrifying.

@valivali8104 Год назад

And 🤢🤮

@grantm6514 Год назад

Sounds like his new bride doesn't like her new life in Armenia and isn't buying the bronze-age "you do what your husband tells you" bullshit.

@Nocturnalux Год назад

@@grantm6514 Isn't it? It reminds me of those people who "have a friend".

@lostfan5054 Год назад

This is remarkable. I can't believe this is serious.

@inyobill Год назад

I am sometimes lambasted for not detecting Sarcasm/Irony. I read comments, and it sounds like complete irony, and the poster is 100% serious. It is often difficuilt to decide.

@egalitarius8582 Год назад

It's fascinating how their Bible keeps failing them, yet they continue to double down on it no matter what, that's the power of a cult.

@dianahill5116 Год назад

The words cult and religion are synonymous.

@TheTruthKiwi 10 месяцев назад

That's the power of being promised a seat in the eternal retirement village in the sky. Why be rational and reasonable if you're going to heaven for eternity right? 🙄

@rcblazer Год назад

I remember seeing this live. Yee-ikes! The Christian concept of marriage according to Nicol is terrifying, and I'm a man who is not going to get married!

@lulolie Год назад

Thinks men should and are the only ones to make all decisions ever but can't wrap his own mind around the idea of being reasonable and talking things out with another human being....

@jaclo3112 Год назад

Nicol thinks that men should automatically be leaders as he thinks men are better leaders and think more rationally. Ironically his entire call proved this wrong. His entire train of thought is irrational, illogical and based purely on emotion and not facts.

@Dsullivann Год назад

Christians in a nutshell

@VicViper1984 Год назад

Nicole needs to get a refresher on what "freedom" is. Dude literally doesn't comprehend that anything less than a woman (or anyone for that matter) being able to leave a relationship at any time for any reason is literally subjugation. He has to perform mental gymnastics to avoid that correlation because he knows that acknowledging it wouldn't be a defensible position.

@chriskelly3481 Год назад

Well, from what he's been saying it doesn't actually appear that Nicol considers women to be people. I mean, "PEOPLE, people". Not quite other animals, but certainly not MEN.

@grantm6514 Год назад

Armenia is one of the most devoutly Christian countries on earth, his 'refresher' would be re-reading the Bible and confirming the BS that he already believes.

@VicViper1984 Год назад

@@grantm6514 fair point, refresher certainly wasn't the right word. But the idea is the same, dude needs to unlearn the nonsense that's clouding his mind and preventing him from understanding that women have autonomy and the right/freedom to make their own decisions including leaving any relationship they are unhappy with.

@idk-nh6ts Год назад

Caller can't even be decisive in this convo. Lol

@jo_b7405 Год назад

Nicol is a a very scary person! I can’t believe people think like this! Terrifying.

@grantm6514 Год назад

It's actually no wonder he thinks like this, he's Armenian, where 100% of the population still follows the oldest flavor of Christianity there is. His new (imported?) wife is probably the first woman he's ever met who doesn't believe that "to honor and obey" nonsense and that's why he's so confused.

@adedia7789 Год назад

This guy is one of the most messed up repeat callers on the show

@bradhorowitz2765 Год назад

Agreed literally 5 minutes into MD’s discussion of how he runs his marriage with his wife (trying to be equal partners, and adding that some circumstances don’t really require cooperation), Nicol says “but how do y do that when that approach dosnt work?” I’m like you-moron-MD literally laid out exactly what he does. Try to compromise try not to dominate and deal with circumstances that prevent the meeting of the midna-that’s A NOTMAL HEALTHY WAY. I literally figured that the caller would want his wife to listen only to him by Christian doctrine. Which of course the caller neglected to say that there are many Christian doctrines in marriage and not all Christians are the same

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад

And then comes Deliciosa, and blows this guy out of the water! It's a race to the bottom!

@bradhorowitz2765 Год назад

Also he kept going on about leaders “societies need a leader jsut like marriages do.” No, not quite-that sounds too authoritarian which makes sense as he kept harping on that and kinda kept using women as a negative example of being a leader. . Why not have ppl and as Ms even said in a few examples, allow one party with the expertise/passion/reason to decide on behalf of you? I

@inyobill Год назад

... and that is aying something.

@valivali8104 Год назад

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 how bad Deliciosa is?

@beardedpanda5086 Год назад

Just because a woman gives birth doesn’t mean she wants to mother the child. That’s also something that has been prevalent throughout human history.

@Angelum_Band Год назад

Just because she opens her legs does not mean she is making money out of it.

@amtlpaul Год назад

@@Angelum_Band Just becsuse you are trolling doesn't mean you aren't also a merchant banker.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад

@@Angelum_Band you'd probably know more about that than me.

@chriskelly3481 Год назад

And this obsession with primacy of caste and class distinctions are why the slave/master mentality persists today.

@owenoulton9312 Год назад

Nicol, the Christian view of marriage (stereotypically one man and one woman) isn't even supported by the BuyBull. Most marriages specifically depicted in Ye Olde Testament were one rich man and as many wives, concubines and slaves as he could afford to support.

@invadergrim6198 Год назад

It's always easier to argue against someone else's rights and what they should be allowed to do when the main impact on you would be, "I'd have to do what they did on my own.". I couldn't imagine raising my daughter's to support this mentality, that's horrific.

@inyobill Год назад

Exactly. "I got mine, screw you"

@loomspace Год назад

I feel like men not being able to give birth is a terrible argument for men being superior to women.

@DDSForbbiden Год назад

No religion owns or should have a monopoly on marriage

@CyeOutsider Год назад

If traditional relationships worked so perfectly in thr past, why did people feel the need to change them? This is what conservatives don't think about - why things changed. They changed becuase it wasn't working for everyone.

@Philip3 Год назад

It changed because men is corrupt

@jonclark8252 Год назад

@@Philip3 "It changed because men is corrupt" Define "corrupt"

@Philip3 Год назад

@jonclark8252 corruption meaning moral corruption and depravity

@jonclark8252 Год назад

@@Philip3 "corruption meaning moral corruption and depravity" Than you are arguing from a position of objective morality. What evidence do you have that proves objective morality exists?

@Philip3 Год назад

@jonclark8252 there can be no objective moral truths without God, and since there are objective moral truths, God must exist.

@LillyTheLonelySock Год назад

So Nicol, if _one_ person in the marriage should have authority over the other and make the important decisions, why not let the wives be in charge? You said yourself that traditionally women have had babies and cared for them all through time. Wouldn't that make women the natural leaders in the marriage? After everything pregnancy, child birth and nursing put the body through, don't you think it's only fair that the man defer to his wife? Don't you think her maternal nature gives her the wisdom to make the best choices? 😜😁😆😂🤣😇

@nelsrinden510 Год назад

It seems as though Nicol is confusing marriage with slavery. As long as he is not the slave.

@wax99 Год назад

Hey! I can finally speak with some sort of authority on the matter! Leadership and followership are both dynamic. There is always a situation when one partner would behave more as a particular archetypical leader while the other partner behaves as a follower, but will defer the role tlback and forth because of a variety of reasons. In fact, we defer or relinquish our leadership role cyclically throughout the day without even realizing it. However, there is a very pervasive ideology in the US that people should strive to be leaders. Stuff like "always be a leader, never be a follower", etc., without realizing that they're a synergy we ebb through in all our interactions. I blame idiots like Andrew Tate for devaluing this.

@inyobill Год назад

Not just the U.S., but certainly it is the case in the U. S. "You're either first, or you lose".

@egalitarius8582 Год назад

Nicol, slavery "works" too doesn't mean slavery is a good thing, it's the Sameer thing with a religious marriage it's fundamentally slavery for women.

@lawrencefleischer1414 Год назад

Simple answer: Atheist's marriages are the same as religious marriages except for one thing: a lack of belief in gods.

@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154 Год назад

It seems like Atheists are more sensible with our approach to marriage. Making decisions together takes two. No one is more important than the other. We strive to meet each other's wishes, and desires. I was religiously abused in my marriage. The man, according to him, rules. He could do whatever he wanted.

@rageofheaven Год назад

I would not be so quick as to attribute anything to atheism other than lack or disbelief in any god proposition. While I understand what you're getting at, use caution not to engage in tribalism.

@DarkDodger Год назад

The reason why nations and such need a designated leader is that there are too many people to ask every single one about every decision. In a relationship of only two people that is not the case. Any democratically minded person should immediately realize that a democratic approach to a relationship is preferable.

@brycearonee6635 Год назад

It's interesting how all of Nicol's argument revolves around "gender roles" and the assumption of marriage and family being defined by children. Nothing he's saying applies in a marriage without children. What about a gay marriage or lesbian marriage where the genders are the same? Then who makes the decision? His argument only has weight under the Christian model of marriage, which only applies to Christians. Non-Christians can make marriages work without the failed ideas that he's trying to impart onto it. He has a one-dimensional conception of marriage where his assumptions about what "works" or not doesn't apply to all types of marriage.

@girlwithtehface5880 Год назад

I'm convinced Nicol would not consider marriage between people of the same gender to be "Real Marriage(TM)."

@angelgaray1977 Год назад

This guy thinks we are living in caves

@shawncudjoe9584 Год назад

There are women and men who prefer the male leadership dynamic. It should be up to the couple to decide what kind of relationship they want to have.

@atortarr 6 месяцев назад

My parents had a messy, violent divorce when i was 7. I was FAR better off with them separating, rather than continuing in that marriage that was full of emotional abuse

@jaydisqus3353 Год назад

Biblical marriage is a business transaction. I'll give you five cows for your daughter. Nowadays, at least she has choice. She can find her own man and make her own decisions. Right??? Ffs.

@mcarp555 Год назад

I wonder how he'd feel if the wife was in charge in his relationship.

@inyobill Год назад

I am sure that his tender ego would be much damaged.

@randolphphillips3104 Год назад

Marriage in its current form only exists because of what society extends to spouse, but forbids others. I my wife is dying, I can have access to care decisions. We get certain tax benefits, society treats married couples different. There is a commitment aspect, but that exists with or without marriage. I am pretty sure a root cause deep-dive would find christian politics under all of these. As the HIPAA addresses health care to prevent spouses from taking advantage, and DC chips out the last retirement and tax benefits it will eventually just be "the tradition we were raised under", and likely be gone in the next 5 or 6 generations (or mandated like this guy wants when the fundies get control).

@inyobill Год назад

Wxactly. I have argued this point ever since I had an analogous conversation with an LDS co0worker when gay marriage was on the ballot in California. He said to the effect "If they get marriage, they will receive tax benefits", "You mean the rights for their tax dollars that you get for yours"? No empathy

@dhwyll Год назад

No, there doesn't have to be "a leader." No, you're not the one who makes the decision. You make them together with your partner. You are not "different biologically" when it comes to the ability to make a decision. If what you want is a subservient drone to order around, just admit it. If you are incapable of seeing your partner as an actual partner and equal, then just say so. If you are incapable of working through life loving your partner as yourself, trusting them as you trust yourself, then you shouldn't be in a relationship with them in the first place. It seems like the caller is destined to be alone. And thus, another incel is born, completely oblivious to the fact that they themselves are the reason nobody wants to be with them.

@darkstar4494 Год назад

there are women who want this type of relationship. They are called trad wives. This won’t necessarily make him an incel but it will limit his options.

@TimelyAbyss Год назад

The concept of mutual cooperation seems to be too much for this guy to grasp.

@jaclo3112 Год назад

@Dark Star I grew up with those kids of women. And yes they wanted that patriarchal, male headship marriage....UNTIL it inevitably became abusive and toxic. Trad marriages are riddled with rape and paedophilia. We see this in trad cultures like SSPX, IBLP, Amish, Mormons, IFSB, trad Muslims etc. And by the time these women realise that these husbands are bad leaders and poor decision makers and all too often criminals and abusers, and they want out, it's too late. Especially as many of them have limited education and/or financial capability. Even my own parents had a marriage where my father made all the decisions. And even as a child I could see they were wrong and selfish. So my mother eventually left.

@idpro83 Год назад

In my experience most women want men to lead and make the decisions ultimately. That of course doesn't mean the man will decide everything on his own. Just that after talking to each other the man makes the decision.

@Aencii Год назад

He is probably not destined to be alone as this kind of backwards, fundamentalist Christianity is the dominant (state-mandated) religion in his country.

@pinball1970 Год назад

MD is very calm. A good guy.

@alext7074 Год назад

A man agrees that a man should make all the decisions in a relationship. Convenient, right?

@Zhorith Год назад

People like this want Handmaids tale to be a documentary

@michaelbeavis2632 Год назад

My mother has a PhD. How did she possess the ability to structure and organize her research to earn it? Now I think she might be a trans man.

@WeirdWonderful Год назад

I love how this guy assumes if they don't agree, the guy in the relationship has to win by default.

@therisashow 9 месяцев назад

When he said that women take care of children, he forgot about my dad. My father was way more parental than my mom was when we were little kids… He bandaged our booboos, fed us, changed our diapers, brought us to church (even without my mom), taught us how to read, gave us lots of hugs, listened to our little kids problems, listened for our cries at night to bring us to mom for midnight breastfeeding (she sleeps like a rock, and he is a light sleeper)… My mom wasn’t as involved until we were older, because she was better at certain parenting skills than my dad was. And vice versa. Good people use their strengths to nurture and protect their families, regardless of what it looks like to the rest of society.

@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot Год назад

I (husband) was the primary caregiver for my two children. My wife had little interest in the kids and she really wasn't any good at parenting.

@beyondu77 Год назад

Is this guy for real? If he's married, I doubt if she's a very happy person if he really feels like this.

@crimsonpirate9 Год назад

I think it is so ridiculous how much legal and religious powe has taken over people's personal relationships. Like why can't marriages and divorces be done without someone else telling them how to separate the relationship.

@Foxfire-chan Год назад

I agree with the religious part but when it comes to the legal part here are some things to consider. The government needs to keep track of who is living where and with who. If you’re going from living on your own to living in a group with another person, that needs to be noted for like taxes etc because income has increased when two people have their incomes joined together through marriage. In the case of divorce you have to figure out who gets what. If people were left to their own devices with no law there to protect people, in theory one partner could make off with the grand majority of their once shared assets leaving the other person with nothing. While we would hope it would be split equally, with no laws to legally bind this, many more people would be facing situations like these upon divorce which is what used to happen in the past before divorce laws were changed. If you divorce too it’s important that the government knows where (if the couple has children) where they go in order to make sure they’re getting the care and education they deserve and to keep track of them.

@alisonmcglone750 Год назад

Oh the Incel caller.

@wunnell Год назад

When Nicol used his example of choosing which country a married couple were going to live in, the best he managed was to advocate for one party to be in charge. Nothing he said justified the man being in charge every time. If one party had to choose which country to live in, why is the man's choice any more valid than the woman's? It isn't, but Nicol assumes that it is because that is what his religion has brainwashed him to think. He seemed completely unaware that he had utterly failed to justify his point.

@lmoral222 Год назад

Strengths and weaknesses. We all have them. I firmly believe that the best relationships have partners whose strengths cover the weaknesses of the other and vice versa. At least to an amount that makes the relationship mutually beneficial.

@et_andersson Год назад

If one person - and always the same one - in the relationship "has to" be dictator for life and make all the important decisions, surely the fairest thing would be if at the end of the marriage ceremony the priest flipped a coin to decide who it is? Actually, that sounds like a horrible idea, but at least on average it's equally horrible to both men and women.

@glenbateman5960 Год назад

My wife and I have been happily married for nearly 25 years. She is a Christian. I am an Atheist. She knows why I'm an Atheist. I know why she is a Christian. We decided to be honest with our kids and answer any questions they might have about her beliefs and my lack of belief and let them each decide their spirutual path for themselves. No problems have arisen as a result of these differences. We are adults, we discuss and make the big decisions together. To borrow one of Nicol's favorite phrases, "It works." Interestingly, the only family members, friends, or acquaintances who are shocked that we don't have any problems resulting from our "mixed" marriage are those who are religious. The non-believers have never expressed any level of awed curiosity as to how this could be possible. I would be interested to know what Nicol would think of it.

@revwillyg6450 Год назад

As a non believer, the thing that would strain the marriage for me , if my wife was a believer, would be teaching my children critical thinking and to believe in things for which there is evidence. If my wife was contradicting or undermining that with teaching about the Bible, It would be a huge relationship killer for me

@glenbateman5960 Год назад

@@revwillyg6450 This is a 2nd marriage for both of us. We both brought kids with us, 4 of mine and 4 of hers. We agreed to be honest with the kids when they asked questions about her beliefs and my lack thereof, but we would let them decide for themselves how much religion or spirituality would play a part in their own lives. They're all grown, now. We have 2 Christians, 3 who believe in God to varying degrees but aren't involved with any organized form of religion, 1 Agnostic, and 2 Atheists.

@revwillyg6450 Год назад

@@glenbateman5960well, if it works for y'all, then cool deal.✌️

@MizzouRah78 Год назад

I find this bizarrely fascinating. Credit to Nicol for being willing to express his unpopular view and have a civil discussion. This is what religious indoctrination can do to a decent person.

@NoName-yi2gi Год назад

I'm very hopeful for the future as we stray further and further from religiosity. For centuries we have ingrained religion into our lives to fulfill the desire for community and belonging as well as order and control. We're reaching a point as a society where it's more commonplace to question why we even need a religious foundation for these things in the first place and it's leading to a lot more people rejecting religion outright. Which, of course, is a net gain because it allows us to improve society more while also creating new communities that provide these fulfillments in far more positive ways where we no longer objectify/enslave/subdue/etc. others and can be equals.

@dianahill5116 Год назад

Everyone is born atheist.

@dianahill5116 Год назад

When people stop obeying, enrolling, teaching, learning, supporting, promoting, participating and funding religion; religion will cease to exist.

@wilberforce1826 Год назад

MD Aware asks a great question, "what decisions in a relationship should only be decided by men?" The only answer applies to everyone in any kind of relationship. That answer is "what they are willing to do and/or tolerate, within the bounds of the law." Arguments can be made about the "bounds of the law" portion, from any position, because laws are generally based on public opinion, but regardless of what those laws are, the rule always applies to literally anyone.

@nuoiptertermer4484 Год назад

Read Joshua 10:12-13 Joshua commands the Sun to stand still and the Sun doesn't set for a full day. This shows the ignorance of whoever wrote that. They thought the Sun went around the Earth. In reality, the Earth rotates so it only looks like the Sun goes around the Earth. Which shows that the Bible is from ignorant people and not an all-knowing god.

@ministryofarguments3525 Год назад

Theism is full of falsehoods and fallacies about the physical nature of the universe. Don't forget that the religions all push the immortal agenda for the believers and they won't admit that the believer is simply a mortal. Deliberate deceitfulness by the religion and a derangement of mind for any of the believers taken in by the deceit.

@amtlpaul Год назад

The reasoning, if it merits the name at all: "Well, somebody's gotta be in charge, so it might as well be the man because... well, women are the ones who actually give birth, you see, and... anyway, it's traditional, it's worked all this time for... well, folks like me. Men, that is." The voice of one who thinks they've had it good and would like to carry on having it good regardless of the impact on others.

@user-ng9bl5lh3m Год назад

Nobody cares, Tea Bagged, because it's just your stupid opinion about certain people in certain situations.

@amtlpaul Год назад

@Amoral Nathaniel The fact that you made that comment contradicts the claim made within it! 😆

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад

@@user-ng9bl5lh3m yep, Paul is correct: You cared enough to comment, undercutting your own claim. 🤦🏻

@FrankWinchester Год назад

@@amtlpaul _"That makes it an unjustified knowledge claim"_ ☝️Can't demonstrate your claim

@amtlpaul Год назад

@@FrankWinchester What does this have to do with the thread or the video??

@jinnijenny Год назад

I mean obviously, if both parties of two decide that the one party has the last word, then yes it will "work". XD But is it the best way to make decisions? Talking things through with others often leads to better conclusions and decisions and I think that's partly why it's great to discuss things with your partner. You should've asked Nicol if he'd agree that things would work if it was the other way around and his wife had the last word and decided things for him against his wishes.

@TravisW888 Год назад

Nicol gave us a good hint at deep, and potentially frightening, sexist beliefs. A man is best suited to decide where the family lives? A man’s genetics make him the best family leader? I wish they’d gone down that rabbit hole further.

@norswil8763 Год назад

He’s a literalist in terms of living according to scripture, not so long ago theists all thought this way - women had no voice and no rights as the bible defines them as second class citizens.

@Dsullivann Год назад

Fun fact: Christian marriage has the highest divorce rate of any religious group according to multiple studies

@valivali8104 Год назад

Christians tend to have same bad and often toxic ideas about how relationships should work as other religions and culture where being divorced isn’t social suicide or forbidden by law. They marry too early for bad reasons and have false ideas how relationships work; not great recipe for healthy marriage...

@rageofheaven Год назад

Yes, and why? Because divorce is much easier in christianity than islam or other religions. While christianity has been tempered by western secularism, islam, for example, has not. Seeing as how christianity is also more prominent than atheism, it goes without saying that it would have a much higher divorce rate because of it's sheer sample size.

@LOwens-xf8yo Год назад

Fun fact I read somewhere: gay male marriages have lower divorce rates than lesbians or heterosexuals. Does that f-k with the christian mind set or what?!

@valivali8104 Год назад

@@rageofheaven they also have highest rates by %

@rageofheaven Год назад

@@valivali8104 yes. I know. I explained why. Divorce is easier in Christianity than eastern religions.

@mckaylapaddock9319 Год назад

He finally came to the conclusion that sometimes the best solution is to end a relationship, but only a court can choose is it's time, vs the woman or abused partner just deciding to end the relationship.

@norswil8763 Год назад

Nicol, calling in from his grandmother’s basement where he lives, alone - he hasn’t talked to another female for 8 years, wears the same pair of sweatpants everyday and certainly doesn’t get to decide on what granny will cook him for dinner. Praise Yahweh!

@nikolm. Год назад

And you’d be wrong. I am married and your train of logic is false shows that you know nothing about me and why I ask these questions. Just like the hosts, they were very biased to me, because they’re brainwashed by feminists. They couldn’t answer my questions without calling names.

@norswil8763 Год назад

@@nikolm. why do you think your views have been so shocking to everyone? If I said something that had the same effects as what you said I would look into it. In my country women have every right a man does, every freedom in marriage and out - the things you were saying were oppressive, if I expressed those views openly Id be criticised as your were and are here. I feel sorry for your wife if you impose this old thinking on her.

@nikolm. Год назад

@@norswil8763 so, what’s the utility of women having the same rights, I can’t see that from my society. Maybe you can lay it out without feeling sorry for my happy wife who’s actually reading this next to me and not understanding what you’re talking about

@norswil8763 Год назад

@@nikolm. the utility is that they are empowered and can enjoy all the freedoms and potential a man can have, stronger women equals stronger, wealthier, happier societies… you say your wife doesn’t understand, ask her if she is allowed to share her own opinion about women having the same rights as men, ask her if she prefers having no voice or decision making ability within your relationship… if she exists at all, I’m not convinced. Is she happy because you say she is? Im my country she could get any job a man could, she can have total freedom, she can start a business, make decisions with a partner and be equals in life… not controlled and told how she will be and live. You live in Armenia? Maybe this way of life is normal for you, it sounds abhorrent and sad to me. We have 1 life to live and your poor women live under your foot.

@Noa...... Год назад

I hope he is single and never dates/marries anyone.

@rikorobinson Год назад

I feel sorry for the woman foolish enough to go anywhere NEAR this guy.......

@13shadowwolf Год назад

The first caller should never be allowed to be in a relationship, not should he ever be allowed around children.

@davidkillens8143 Год назад

First point: the bible is not a consistently valid instruction book. Genesis 30:37-43 is just one of many errors. Second point: IMO Nicol's end goal is to raise a family. He kept hinting at it, but never vocalized his goal.

@RichardThomas-vu1bf Год назад

Man, I don't know how these guys aren't drinking before they do these shows. The callers make my head explode with their endless circular arguments, or deflections and misleading garble. It's just so tiring.

@dukeemzworth3005 Год назад

God is not required for marriage

@girlwithtehface5880 Год назад

Or anything else, really.

@acfkelly6291 Год назад

The idea of a leader in marriage gives me the ick

@johnmack537 Год назад

Would like to ask this caller; is it that because it’s in the bible it is therefore “better”, or was it already considered “better” and consequently it was incorporated into the bible?

@eyemastervideo Год назад

I was hoping it was going to go towards the reason doesn't matter. A person can decide their own direction in life, doesn't require a man to decide. A couple should decide together.

@helicopterharry5101 Год назад

Yeah, no. Relationships don't survive because men are around to choose what they want for their partner. But they do break up for that reason.

@aggienewman01 Год назад

It’s so painful to listen to this mentality. Well done keeping calm and attempting to apply logic to counter his position. I would have immediately failed in the attempt.

@arch4053 Год назад

Call me naive but I didn't know people like Nicol existed in the western world. Is that really how christianity views the world? There needs to be a "leader" in a relationship? Someone who makes a decision for the other person? This is an absolutely horrible view. Like, I feel disgusted by how calmly this man explains his hateful views.

@idpro83 Год назад

What's so hateful about it?

@Aencii Год назад

You realize he's from Armenia, right??

@DangerKennyB Год назад

There's a conceit here that I don't think they've realized--the conceit is that marriage can be a secular, non-religious construct. And as such, they need to keep their fucking laws away from what people wish to do with such a secular arrangement, such as same-sex marriage. If you don't like gay marriage, my advice is--don't get gay married. The end.

@Angelum_Band Год назад

So you never use cash?

@DangerKennyB Год назад

@@Angelum_Band Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha because the money says "In God We Trust" on it? I'd abolish that too, if I had my way, as it clearly crosses the line of church and state. But these changes take time, and the hardest part is living through those changes. But to answer your question, it's 2023, I only use cash if I have to. Who the fuck uses cash these days?

@Angelum_Band Год назад

@@DangerKennyB This is supposed to be Let's go back to 1920's with everything that was free back in the days. And yes bills did not have religious advertising on them.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Год назад

@@Angelum_Band what the F are you even arguing about? You are just bleating at EVERYTHING because the entire world is GRIEVANCE with you.

@DangerKennyB Год назад

@@Angelum_Band I think I really, really misunderstood you originally so if so, I apologize.

@bretnetherton9273 Год назад

Awareness is the ONLY constant of ALL experience what could be more fundamental to reality than THAT?

@veggiescrub Год назад

What's he talking about? Atheists don't get married. We eat are lovers when we tire of them. And if they should be fortunate enough to go get pregnant, they we both eat well. That's the one advantage of hetero, other than that anything goes. We're all in agreement on this right? Really, I shouldn't have to ask.

@jaguarrising390 Год назад

I would ask him about his relationship, if he has one at all.

@grantm6514 Год назад

Nichol: "My new non-religious wife questions my authority and wants to move back to her home country. Is there some atheist equivalent to "wives obey your husbands" rule that I can use to keep her cowed?"

@evidencebased1 9 месяцев назад

In my marriage things work pretty smoothly as equals. Whenever one of us steps out of line and acts superior, they get called out pretty quick. We’ve done pretty well with raising our family (all grown and also married to equal partners now) but pretty sure it wouldn’t have worked out as well if I had held her (or if she had held me) in an inferior role. I also think MD’s comment that divorce rate is not the best metric when one society legally severely restricts divorce.