How to select TYRE for your car - Which is best tyre brand? Soft Mid Hard | எப்படி தேர்ந்தெடுப்பது ?

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How to select better tyre for your car, a expert interview with all your questions in your mind. A complete trye selection guide in this video.
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@venkatc3403 2 года назад

Really hats off to the showroom owner sir 👍.. he spoken the truth rather than business mind! Keep support themselves 🙏

@janak3413 2 года назад

I agree and like The Owner

@vijaymech6114 2 года назад

I did change my bike tyre after watching this. I went to same showroom fortunately. 😅

@parameshwaran22 2 года назад

@@vijaymech6114 qq

@Gurukani_creations 2 года назад

உண்மையிலேயே உங்களுடைய வீடியோக்கள் அனைத்தும் மிகவும் சிறப்பாக உள்ளது மனதார வாழ்த்துகிறேன் 💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐👌👍

@arunachalamperumal7112 2 года назад

மிகவும் பயனுல்ல பதிவு சகோ உங்க வீடியோஸ் பார்த்தில் இருந்து நான் என் வேகத்தை குறைத்து கொண்டு ரொம்பவும் அனுபவித்து என்னுடைய காரை இயக்குகிறேன் சகோ நன்றி

@BENHARARVIND 2 года назад

Yokohama best quality in budget…. (Michelin,continental, Yokohama these are very good). Very good video..

@kkrishitha6225 2 года назад

அவ்வளவு சீக்கிரம் நான் யாரையும் பாராட்டமாட்டேன்.. உண்மை யில் அது worth and தனித்துவமான படைப்பாக இருந்தால் நம்மை அறியாமல் மனதிலிருந்து பாராட்டு தானே வரும்... அண்ணா... உங்கள் உழைப்பு ...மற்றவரிடமிருந்து உங்கள் தனித்துவத்தைக்காட்டுகிறது... வாழ்க வளமுடன்...! உண்மையில் நான் உங்களது பல வீடியோக்களைப் பார்த்தபிறகுதான் subscribe செய்தேன்.. Because ...really its worth and it shows your hardwork on that information's collection. Love u brother

@hilurnajimudeen6232 2 года назад

Sir today only I changed my 4 tyres that dealer insist me to buy Yokohama...for less users...great eye opener video... I thought that dealer making me to fool...now I realised he has given right guidance. Thanks for your videos 💐💐💐

@andrewsleo526 2 года назад

toyota Innova Car thaane Brother??

@krishna1529 2 года назад

செய்யும் வேலையை எவ்வளவு சிறப்பாக செய்ய வேண்டும் என்பதற்கு உங்கள் காணொளிகள் ஒரு உதாரணம்‌.. மீண்டும் ஒரு சிறப்பான காணொளிக்காக பிர்லாவிற்கு நன்றி..

@ajaigoshg 2 года назад

Im using Apollo Alnac 175/65 R14. Crossed 95000 kms.(every 5000 kms proper allignment and tyre rotation. Now i changed to new tyres same Apollo Alnac. Using City and highway rides and local village roads.

@ytsekar6317 2 года назад

Ford Vehicle ? Ur are use

@dpkpraba 2 года назад

True. I got 78000 kms in just 2.5years from Alnac 4g R16 215/60. After that i moved to Michelin Primacy 4st and still running 125000kms.

@suriyanarayanan3689 2 года назад

Just one more tip to add 1. Whatever tyre you select,it's better to be less than 3-4 months from manufacturing date ..bcz rubber in the tyre loses its property if not fitted on the wheels. 2. Wheel alignment- 5000Kms 3. Tyre pressure- 33psi when 1-2 people and 35 psi when 4 people occupies. 4.My personal preference in order A) Bridestone / continental/ Apollo ( all 3 are equally good and slightly higher price) B) MRF,Goodyear,ceat,JK ( cheap and best for its price and ofcourse it's quality is ok ok ) Michelin is like Sony TV and we all knew it's good and rightly said it's rubber compound is soft and suitable for good roads.

@santhoshappu4962 Год назад

Yokohama ?

@ak06041 Год назад

@@santhoshappu4962 I will also put it in A category.

@SMuthu291 2 года назад

The shop keeper explained it clear to the point👍👍

@aby8285 Год назад

Michael tyres gives smooth ride... I changed from Goodyear after 48k for my ecosport...Michael are best.. I don't feel any bumps very good made USA

@indianindian9257 2 года назад

Seeing this video, I changed all 4 tyres to Michelin tyres. This video is very very useful. Nice questions asked, and the owner answered it very well. Hats off to both off you sirs.

@iam_ravikumaran 2 года назад

மக்களுக்காக தொடங்க பட்ட RU-vid channel ல இதும் ஒன்று. 🎉 உங்கள் சேவை சிறக்க. நீங்கள் மென் மேலும் வளர வாழ்த்துக்கள் ❤️

@happyboy2830 2 года назад

Very useful video. Today morning I changed my two wheeler tyre and the shop owner told Michelin is the best in the world. Bridgestone is good for four wheelers. Tubeless is the default option nowadays

@venkatesh1768 2 года назад

அருமையான பதிவு Bro.., doubts on tyres எல்லாம் clear ஆயிட்டு.. 👍

@srinatarajansubramanian8975 2 года назад

Did a tyre change here today, wonderful experience and knowledgeable team. Super satisfied with their work. 5/5 ✅ Thanks for the video and the recommendation :)

@dvvel 2 года назад

Very useful information.. Beautifully explained.. I got the answers for my long lasting questions regarding tyres.. I use Michelin tyres and I am very much satisfied with the performance and its completely noiseless.. Also worried about the present out of stock situations of Michelin tyres..

@karthikeyang483 2 года назад

Sir, you are an eye opener. This is a wonderful knowledge enhancing video. Thank you so much

@krishvenkat9249 2 года назад

very useful video.. I have recommended your channel to a new car buyer 5 months back.. He is a happy man now

@rangarajanramasamy8716 2 года назад

Mr Tejpaal is honest and transparent. Experience speaking in every word. Good you got him!!

@MARIASUDHAGARJK 2 года назад

Very in depth analysis and informations about the tyre by you and also Mr. Tej Paul of RR Enterprises, Kovilampakkam. Hats off to Mr. Tej for his fluent outcome about the tyres both in english and Tamil. Viewers can support such people.

@kumarp.a2065 2 года назад

என் மனதில் இருந்த பல கேள்விகளுக்கு உங்கள் மூலமாக விடை கிடைத்துள்ளது.. நிறைய விஷயங்கள் தெரிந்துகொண்டேன்.. நன்றி

@surendar_sk 2 года назад

Very useful bro. Thank you to both. We expect more videos of untouched areas like these. Thank you.

@sivakumar-jx4hp 2 года назад

Bro மிகவும் அருமையாகவும் எளிமையாகவும் தெளிவாகவும் இருந்தது நன்றி

@arunarumugam1721 2 года назад

Very well explained ! Its a great content and very much needed for every one who drive a car. Thanks for getting this done 👌👌👌

@rajasekaran6474 2 года назад

Pa... Beyond the limits and expectation... U r the legend.

@bhuvaneshdeena5176 2 года назад

Neengal tan unmaiyana vaathiyar, all your videos are very useful 🙏👍

@saravananstravelmemories7596 2 года назад

I became tyre expert after watching this video. Great work bro. Keep it up. Thank you.

@narthuselva3423 2 года назад

Anna, I m watching from Sri Lanka...You are really great and your efforts too. Thank you very much!

@murali1802 2 года назад

My view is that repair of a puncture will lead to concentration of mass in the puncture zone. So it is definitely advisable to balance your tyre after repair of a puncture

@sojanchacko2156 Год назад

This is a genuine speach heard from a merchant after long time..!!!!He shared lots of worthy information and tips. Hats off..!!

@athreya4278 2 года назад

Great explanation. Got a 360° view about tyres in general and about the companies' as well.

@muthusamy4476 2 года назад

Nice video Birla sir. Congrats for 300K subscribers. Definitely you can reach millions of subscribers. Thank you.

@random-respectx 2 года назад

Avara paathale tyre kada owner nu soliralaam 👌👌👌

@boopalansenthu654 2 года назад

உண்மை தகவல்...நல்ல ஒரு அனுபவம் வாய்ந்த நபர்

@hashvana 2 года назад

Sir really ur a genuine person....hats off to u for showing the best ranges..

@tamilseriallovers7217 2 года назад

Congrats for 300k subscribers keep rocking 🔥🔥 soon we will reach 1 millions

@jaiganesh8275 2 года назад

Useful info.. Dealer is very clear in explaining. Good, u have selected right person .

@tejjain185 2 года назад

Thank you sir Tejpal Rr ENTERPRISES

@vadiveldurgaganesh 2 года назад

மிகவும் முக்கியமான சிறப்பான பதிவு, அருமை நண்பரே 🌹🌹🌹

@venkataramansubramani7524 2 года назад

Shop owner is genuine and have excellent knowledge. Thanks

@rajarichard 2 года назад

Tyre is heart 💖 of the vehicle, very useful

@chowhansanjay 2 года назад

Sorry sir, Engine supposed to be ❤ and tyres are 🦵 of any vehicles... 😀 just kidding 😂

@singham1708 2 года назад

Very useful information... would've been more appropriate if you would have connected ride quality with the tyre choice...say for cars with soft and stiff suspension...

@jaikanthjaipal007 2 года назад

Excellent Anna. Valuable information from experts. Good job. Keep Going!!!

@remeshreji848 2 года назад

Excellent interview 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰. Both are amazing. Questioning to the point and replying in detail... 👏👏👏👏. Great video sir. 😍😍😍😍

@kumarp.a2065 2 года назад

அருமை அண்ணா..

@prrabhu 2 года назад

I have vento car. Michelin tyres came along with the car. It came very well ( upto 60 K kilometres ) for city roads usage. Then I bought Bridgestone, it performed poor. The tyre broke like as if it made of plastic. All the four tyres disintegrated very fast. Michelin is the best for almost all types of roads.

@tejjain185 Год назад

Michelin which are coming to India are coming with isi marking .. Só tyres have been tested and made according to Indian standards

@sathiyaraj4985 2 года назад

Clear explanation from both you 👌👌 Actually you both are lecturer material 🤗

@radsvids4378 2 года назад

Thank you so much to both for the info this is the 1st video in Tamil as I know has very worth knowledge about tyres

@thedoctor4515 2 года назад

In case of sedan and sports hatchbacks Michelin xm2 is best. Xm2 is specifically made for INDIAN conditions which excels in most of the terrains.

@karthick.s1892 2 года назад

கார் தீ பிடிப்பதை தவிர்க்க முன் எச்சரிக்கை நடவடிக்கைகள் பற்றி வீடியோ பொடுங்க அண்ணா

@dhinagaranr9284 2 года назад

Yes

@nagarajsnagaraj7890 2 года назад

Nice cilp good work 👌

@spotxyt3694 2 года назад

@Sathish Shankar 🙄

@mcarun3prasath736 2 года назад

MRF

@balasubramaniank.a.9391 2 года назад

தெளிவாக தேவையான அனைத்து விவரங்களோடும் இருந்தது. நன்று. வாழ்த்துகள். தொடருங்கள்.

@shivashankar886 2 года назад

Very informative . Good work. The dealer was super honest and spoke the facts. Thanks

@878avatar 2 года назад

Your videos never fails birla sir.. all your videos have lot of info with good content... the way you put efforts on each video is amazing..Good Luck for your success.

@sabarisarasharan 2 года назад

Great 👏👏👏 Master. I am Using YOKOHAMA A/T TYRE In Scorpio. Best For Any type of road and also good Mileage. Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 Master 🤓🤓🤓.

@mosesprince8763 2 года назад

Mileage evlo bro ?

@sabarisarasharan 2 года назад

@@mosesprince8763 City And Highways Both 15/L Bro.It's Depends on your Driving Skill Bro.

@rajunarayanan4358 2 года назад

Really informative and needed info for me. Keep exploring Bro. congrats for 3ooK Subscribers.

@sohailurrahmans2530 2 года назад

Thanks for the showroom owner who explained clearly

@gpremkumar3549 2 года назад

What about MRF, CEAT ... Tyres??? Because those are very popular brands and playing major role in Indian roads for long periods..... Also Apollo & MAXISS (Which is whell known brand for off-road rides)

@naveenraj281 2 года назад

A small request : kindly post an video the essential accessories which we needed on mid range as well as level down mid range cars

@ferosemoosha292 2 года назад

Yes kandippa

@SenthilKumar-eb7wl 2 года назад

Very useful information sir. Especially the shop owner told the real things. Thanks to Birlas parvai

@prabhusomu4817 2 года назад

Very useful.. This video gave a very good understanding about tyres..keep up you good work... As always we support you for your effort..

@shahul41u 2 года назад

Michelin is very soft compund and prone to easy puncture on bad roads and it has a soft side wall which us good for suspension but not good for very bad roads. Even mrf perfinza is too good. Mostly I feel Bridgestone strikes the balance.

@rahulkrish9840 2 года назад

What about good year or Apollo or Mrf?

@dineshpkm 2 года назад

As a polymer technologist Michelin has the best tyre building practice. I will go for it

@ashwath23 2 года назад

Yeah thats why he said michellin pure highway use only

@sivakumarbalasubramanian5925 2 года назад

I use Michelin in my both hatchbacks wonderful breaking and driving comfort in city and highway stability, only thing you should drive carefully in bad roads since it side walls prone to damage easily, clocked 30k in both cars.

@shahul41u 2 года назад

@@sivakumarbalasubramanian5925 yes soft side wall is the only downside and need to be careful on bad roads.

@ctsgulf675 2 года назад

Bro. It’s a good video and you covered everything. One small suggestion. The explanation on Aspect ratio was hurried up and misinformed. The aspect ratio is always represented in % of the tyre width. A little deeper insight into decoding tyre designation may have helped people understand better. Example, size of 155/80R13 means, (at rated inflation), 155mm tyre side wall width, 80% aspect ratio which is 155x80/100=124mm. This is the height measured from the road surface to bottom of the rim. R represents Radial Ply tyre 13 inches is the diameter of the rim. A lower aspect ratio means better cornering ability at high speeds and fairly safer at bursts. Overall good efforts. Sridhar.

@dhinastark3610 2 года назад

So if we upsize due to reduction of 10mm of sidewall... Will this increase the thud of potholes or reduce them when compared to stock Tyres!!!! Im planning to upsize my swift tyres from 165/ 80 to 185 /70 .... Apart from drop in mileage and increase in grip !! What improvement will i get!?

@prasadpanicker3047 2 года назад

Brilliant thanks rgds

@ajupabraham4980 2 года назад

Very good information ever heard . The tyre shop owner has very good knowledge in automobile tyres. I am living in kerala and iwill surely visit your shop when I purchase anew car.

@raghavendranc2877 2 года назад

Sir it was much much more informative…big salute to the store owner…thank you very much sir

@anandnagarajan9006 2 года назад

Very informative 🎉🔥

@balasubramanianv7331 2 года назад

MRF tyres, particularly ZLX, is very good. But the commission the company pays is on the lesser side. Hence, dealers of other tyres will say MRF tyres are very bad.

@viveks8797 2 года назад

Really? Ya I have heard people say mrf is very bad want to know if it’s true ?

@rnaga1980 2 года назад

I am also using MRF ZLX, but professional people are not speaking about MRF, also some people told MRF good for heavy vehicle only.

@viveks8797 2 года назад

MRF users pls clear fye !!

@ravichandran6807 2 года назад

@@viveks8797 I used MRF ZLX for my nissan sunny.. Performance of my car dropped no comfortable full tyre noise even at highways.. Nw I moved to Michelle 1yr back nw I can feel my comfortable while driving nd I get 1.5 km mileage extra....

@tejjain185 2 года назад

MRF tyres are also really good on performance , can never tell it's below bench mark but when compared to other brand like Michelin and Yoko they are definitely less , we are paid highest profit in selling india brands like MRF apollo and ceat bcz they are very low priced

@mohanlakshmanasamy8263 2 года назад

A right person interviewing with another right person on this right topic for the right listeners!

@sarathibose3066 2 года назад

Excellent video sir car vanga ninaikum anaivarukum unga speech romba alaga irukum

@nigellazar7162 2 года назад

Good information. He has not mentioned Goodyear as a premium soft tyre and also MRF as a hard tyre. Guess he does not deal with both these brands. Goodyear is an excellent tyre for a smooth ride.

@rajakumarb.5158 2 года назад

Yes. Both of them haven't mentioned about MRF. I can't guess the reason for that.

@hariprakasharun6250 Год назад

Good year is worst brand

@selvaraj1914 2 года назад

Super very experienced tyre dealer.. Gave Gud clarification but I wonder what about MRF tyres.

@delitshalomd3347 2 года назад

Same doubt broo......

@maheshbabuva 2 года назад

He is not Dealing with MRF in this shop he have one more shop in the name of RR tyres there if you go and speak he will tell MNC brands are waste and Indian brands are good.

@selvaraj1914 2 года назад

@@maheshbabuva oh so seems diplomatic the dealer 🤔

@JCBWILDLIFE Год назад

Passionate knowledgeable person . Had I been from his city , would ve definitely got tires from him .

@veerakumaran9696 2 года назад

தங்கள் வீடியோ அனைத்தும் மிகவும் அருமை .நன்றி sir

@vssunilkumar 2 года назад

Thanks for coming up with such useful content 👌

@anuputra 2 года назад

Yet another feather to your hat birla....Excellent interview ....the dealer gave lot of information. But he is talking about only premium brand tyres, how about MRF and CEAT..you could have add that also.

@elvando100 Год назад

Brilliant information provided by Mr.Tej. Thank you for your honest opinions to make customers aware!! Appreciate this video very much!!

@tejjain185 Год назад

Thank you 🙏

@anbuprashanth4054 Год назад

Very useful information sir and gained knowledge on what basis Tyre should be purchased...Thank you for this.🙌

@BethelAGThirumangalam 2 года назад

Good content... But very sad to see none of the Indian Brands like MRF are mentioned... I Don't think it's a fair comparison or a fair lineup of categorization... I always prefer to use MRF in all my Vehicles from bikes to van...

@rajkumartvm2005 Год назад

Yes, but dealers not having mrf stocks they will not mention positively about MRF tyres.

@praveenvp26 8 месяцев назад

Mrf wanderer tyre burst in 5months and to the surprise they didn't even bother for a replacement even under warranty as the car itself is 5 months old.... Very disappointing with MRF

@senthilgeethan8408 2 года назад

Good content ... 👍 ... But could have explained about Indian brands like CEAT, APOLLO, MRF, JK etc.

@gowthamsgk143 2 года назад

Bro ivaru(shop owner) MRF explain pannamataru because ivaru MRF dealership illa multibrand panuraru adhula MRF varadhu

@vijayanand8169 11 месяцев назад

@@gowthamsgk143mrf waste. Very Hard.

@balachan4731 Год назад

Shop owner have very good knowledge on his product, you reach the right person for the best results....great...

@ganeshram509 2 года назад

I'm using MRF & CEAT for my car and bike. It's so good.....

@balagurugmass 2 года назад

1st comment bro 👍👍👍

@praveenraj5336 2 года назад

Bro oru doubt, premium cars ku ok, ,entha list la MRF OR Apollo la ya Sola matranga ,antha tyres Nala erukatha , ata pathi konjam soluga bro ,

@prabakaranm6065 2 года назад

MRF is Hardeat Rubber Apollo is Ok...

@karthikkarunakaranmenon6785 2 года назад

Wow i really heard very few tyre dealers who have and share all this knowledge.... Great... and thanks for the video

@tejjain185 2 года назад

Thank you sir Tejpal Rr enterprises

@meetan- 2 года назад

superbly explained by the shop owner.. great video by Birla parvai.. congrats

@jagadeesan2547 2 года назад

கார் தி பிடிச்சா என்ன பண்றது தி பிடிக்காம இருக்க என பண்றது வீடியோ போடுங்க சர்

@aravindan9965 2 года назад

Hi Sir, Shall we bring and run the car in neural gear when it's normally running 60KM/hr at top gear? Would like to know more technically what happens if we do it...

@balasubramaniank.a.9391 2 года назад

Yes friend, I do it regularly in a particular stretch of highway . Is it OK?

@Vivekvikki214 2 года назад

Not recommended bro..

@Vivekvikki214 2 года назад

@@balasubramaniank.a.9391 How many liter fuel you're saving 😂😂

@balasubramaniank.a.9391 2 года назад

@@Vivekvikki214 62.50 litres. ... too much? ????? Can't believe it ? ?? OK 62.5 milly litre

@Vivekvikki214 2 года назад

@@balasubramaniank.a.9391 😂😂😂 All the best saving your few milli liters of fuel and one day you will have a huge bill.. Avoid Using the Neutral Gear, this action will not speed up the car instead it will actually slow it down and not only that but the transmission cuts fuel to the engine that it doesn't get the proper lubrication to run smoothly. This can significantly damage the car.

@Myilvel 2 года назад

You are rocking Sir ! I am impressed with your reviews !!!

@mahendraveld1803 2 года назад

Sir vanakkam. Interview is very well and useful. God bless you all. Really very useful for all. Again from my heart I wish you air.

@KNR85 2 года назад

13:16; When we are increasing the Width of the tire, we are not actually reducing the height, Actually reducing the Aspect Ratio. (Aspect Ratio = Height/Width %) So, when the Width increases... The Aspect ratio must go down to maintain the total height...

@naveenvignesh90 2 года назад

Rightly said 👍

@srenga49 2 года назад

What about other brands like MRF, Apollo etc. Many uses cars in city only and drive less. What is your recommendation . How do you prove that the life is only 5 years? It is not meeting my doubts.

@tejjain185 2 года назад

When you take a comparison between MRF apollo jk ceat and all MRF would be the leaders with the wide range of tyres at a reasonable price with good quality but tyres would be slightly hard , a good choice for city usage Rubber tends to get hard after 3-4years so beyond tht the tyres start buldging

@maheshbabuva 2 года назад

MRF ZLX is Comfortable Tyre with Higher Life

@maheshbabuva 2 года назад

@@tejjain185 Suggest MRF ZLX to your Customers Bro, Really you can Bet on it!!

@tejjain185 2 года назад

@@maheshbabuva most of the customers in chennai ask for unconditional warranty and thts the only reason we don't suggest MRF much

@maheshbabuva 2 года назад

@@tejjain185 after unconditional warranty. There will be * (ie : Subject to Terms and conditions) in each and every company advertisement if you read it they will tell it will not applicable for External cut and Mechanical fault and they will give % basis replacement based on Customer pressure 😂

@blessonbi361 2 года назад

Really needed content. Explainations are very clear. Thank you sir for your efforts.

@ajithkumarkg9650 2 года назад

VERY GOOD BRIEFING BY THE SHOP OWNER. HE NEATLY EXPLAINED ABOUT THE VARIOUS TYRES. GOOD.

@SivaKumar-oy4cg 2 года назад

Acceleration+milage+good brake =MICHELIN Acceleration+milage=BRIDGESTONE

@kbenjamin2000 2 года назад

What about continental and yohokma

@nithyasrees 2 года назад

Continental, Michelin, Pirelli are premium, soft wall compound and silent rides with high comfort. MRF ZLX competes the above at par. JK worst for cars, never ever try it. Apollo decent one. Bridgestone is good and mixed response. Yokohama silent ride for first part and at aging it will be high decibel.

@arvndar7613 2 года назад

My car tyres has done 70000kms it's jk tyre. Everyone driven is different so choose tyres by your driving conditions not from others advice

@tejjain185 2 года назад

MRF Is definitely a good choice I would never deny on that but at the price of MRF zlx you could always opt for Yokohama which comes with 5 years warranty and 18 months unconditional warranty

@tejjain185 2 года назад

@@arvndar7613 you are totally right you must have driven 70000 kms bcz they are your oem tyres and they are not replaced even once , if I am not wrong